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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6930 on: November 19, 2024, 10:55:32 AM »
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It seems, radials took my slappy crooks. The double edge curb i usually skate is slightly higher than regular curbs and with the radials I very often just slip out to noseslide or even overshoot to boardslide. Too scary. Back to conical fulls i guess. Bummed, because unlike how they look.
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Are the new Radials bigger than your usual / older Conical Full wheels?

Size of new wheels is often something that people overlook, but is not the be all and end all to how things feel.  I had a lot of tech tricks going back in the day on wheels that ended up being very small, then when I got new wheels, nothing worked as I was used to due to the wheel size difference.  This was back in the day, not current skating, so the old ones were probably 50 mm or under, the new ones 56 mm or so.  I do notice this on different setups now though, so even the same shape wheel in different sizes can perform differently for me.

The funny thing is the edge of both Radial and Conical Full is fairly much the same from new, both slightly wider with a smaller or lower edge, compared to rounder wheels like Classics, so it would be interesting to compare and see how much different they are in size and shape, right where they would touch anything like the side of a curb if you are slapping or popping into anything.

Curious to hear any which way.
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Same size as usual. 54 mm. I have the feeling that the slightly rounder edge is making me slip out more easily, since I sit nearly perpendicular in crooks and the radials don’t have enough edge to keep me locked in. Might be a mental thing though, since I don’t have that problem on one sided curbs. Madness.

This is going to sound insane, but I like the classic and conical (regular) lock over radials. Somehow with radials, I think it’s a combination of the width with rounder edge. I feel like with Classics I get closer to edge of truck, but radials push the balance point “in” a bit, and things get kooky. Where I seem to notice the difference the MOST is on f/s feebles on transition—good feeling lock on those with both Conical and Classics. Do them with radials, and some twilight zone shit starts going down. Not the wheel for me.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6931 on: November 19, 2024, 11:30:26 AM »
Im definitely radial gang for lock ins. Classics feel best on a really sharp ledge, but on something chunkier/rounder they slip out a bit. Square wheels like og classics/lock ins feel a lil too draggy sometimes and on sharp ledges I feel a lil less stable on the pinch. Radial perfect middle ground, but can see why some would prefer one extreme or the other

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6932 on: November 19, 2024, 12:06:07 PM »
Classics feel best on a really sharp ledge, but on something chunkier/rounder they slip out a bit. Square wheels like og classics/lock ins feel a lil too draggy…on sharp ledges…

Perfectly stated.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6933 on: November 19, 2024, 04:35:07 PM »
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It seems, radials took my slappy crooks. The double edge curb i usually skate is slightly higher than regular curbs and with the radials I very often just slip out to noseslide or even overshoot to boardslide. Too scary. Back to conical fulls i guess. Bummed, because unlike how they look.
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Are the new Radials bigger than your usual / older Conical Full wheels?

Size of new wheels is often something that people overlook, but is not the be all and end all to how things feel.  I had a lot of tech tricks going back in the day on wheels that ended up being very small, then when I got new wheels, nothing worked as I was used to due to the wheel size difference.  This was back in the day, not current skating, so the old ones were probably 50 mm or under, the new ones 56 mm or so.  I do notice this on different setups now though, so even the same shape wheel in different sizes can perform differently for me.

The funny thing is the edge of both Radial and Conical Full is fairly much the same from new, both slightly wider with a smaller or lower edge, compared to rounder wheels like Classics, so it would be interesting to compare and see how much different they are in size and shape, right where they would touch anything like the side of a curb if you are slapping or popping into anything.

Curious to hear any which way.
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Same size as usual. 54 mm. I have the feeling that the slightly rounder edge is making me slip out more easily, since I sit nearly perpendicular in crooks and the radials don’t have enough edge to keep me locked in. Might be a mental thing though, since I don’t have that problem on one sided curbs. Madness.
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This is going to sound insane, but I like the classic and conical (regular) lock over radials. Somehow with radials, I think it’s a combination of the width with rounder edge. I feel like with Classics I get closer to edge of truck, but radials push the balance point “in” a bit, and things get kooky. Where I seem to notice the difference the MOST is on f/s feebles on transition—good feeling lock on those with both Conical and Classics. Do them with radials, and some twilight zone shit starts going down. Not the wheel for me.


I had some larger Radials on the other day and almost got stuck on coping more than once just doing any number of usual five or fifty revert tricks, then tried the same on bigger Classics and was back to normal again.

Funny that the Radial shape works to a point but then actually kind of holds on a bit more like some of the more squared edge wheels on my mini ramp, in much the same way that Conical Full wheels feel, but I guess it was more of a surprise than anything as I was thinking they would come in easily like Classics.

Once adjusting to how they felt, it wasn't a big deal, but just goes to show the different shapes really do play such a big part in how I am used to skating.

It doesn't help that I round off any wider edges on wheels just a little with the angle grinder so I can feel more like I am on fat or worn down Classics, but I don't ever recall the Radials feeling like that in smaller sizes.  These ones were brand new 55 mm Oski wheels, whereas I would more often have worn down 54 or even 53 mm Radials on other boards.

I slightly rounded off these ones too and they felt way better and more comfortable, but that is just me and I am not saying I don't like Radials, more so it was just a surprise how they gripped, but overall I think I would make any slightly more rounded edge wheel work better than a more square or sharper edge, at least for what I usually do now.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6934 on: November 19, 2024, 10:19:08 PM »
skated the 93a classics, loved em. went back to the 99 and feel too hard.. gave the Dragon's a try and man they dont slide for shit.. gonna order the classic 93s again.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6935 on: November 20, 2024, 12:16:44 AM »
After being blessed with the Spit 93s, there's no reason to ever go back to Dragons again.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6936 on: November 20, 2024, 12:36:39 AM »
After being blessed with the Spit 93s, there's no reason to ever go back to Dragons again.
Love mine, 54mm Radials work great for me.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6937 on: November 20, 2024, 12:50:30 AM »
Are the 93s good for dusty indoors too?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6938 on: November 20, 2024, 12:59:12 AM »
Are the 93s good for dusty indoors too?

They are.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6939 on: November 20, 2024, 02:21:39 AM »
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Are the 93s good for dusty indoors too?
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They are.

Great. Finally ordered my first set of 93s! I was thinking of the 99 Lock In fulls at first but the 93s seem to be more what I like.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6940 on: November 20, 2024, 07:08:53 AM »
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It seems, radials took my slappy crooks. The double edge curb i usually skate is slightly higher than regular curbs and with the radials I very often just slip out to noseslide or even overshoot to boardslide. Too scary. Back to conical fulls i guess. Bummed, because unlike how they look.
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Are the new Radials bigger than your usual / older Conical Full wheels?

Size of new wheels is often something that people overlook, but is not the be all and end all to how things feel.  I had a lot of tech tricks going back in the day on wheels that ended up being very small, then when I got new wheels, nothing worked as I was used to due to the wheel size difference.  This was back in the day, not current skating, so the old ones were probably 50 mm or under, the new ones 56 mm or so.  I do notice this on different setups now though, so even the same shape wheel in different sizes can perform differently for me.

The funny thing is the edge of both Radial and Conical Full is fairly much the same from new, both slightly wider with a smaller or lower edge, compared to rounder wheels like Classics, so it would be interesting to compare and see how much different they are in size and shape, right where they would touch anything like the side of a curb if you are slapping or popping into anything.

Curious to hear any which way.
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Same size as usual. 54 mm. I have the feeling that the slightly rounder edge is making me slip out more easily, since I sit nearly perpendicular in crooks and the radials don’t have enough edge to keep me locked in. Might be a mental thing though, since I don’t have that problem on one sided curbs. Madness.
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This is going to sound insane, but I like the classic and conical (regular) lock over radials. Somehow with radials, I think it’s a combination of the width with rounder edge. I feel like with Classics I get closer to edge of truck, but radials push the balance point “in” a bit, and things get kooky. Where I seem to notice the difference the MOST is on f/s feebles on transition—good feeling lock on those with both Conical and Classics. Do them with radials, and some twilight zone shit starts going down. Not the wheel for me.
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I had some larger Radials on the other day and almost got stuck on coping more than once just doing any number of usual five or fifty revert tricks, then tried the same on bigger Classics and was back to normal again.

Funny that the Radial shape works to a point but then actually kind of holds on a bit more like some of the more squared edge wheels on my mini ramp, in much the same way that Conical Full wheels feel, but I guess it was more of a surprise than anything as I was thinking they would come in easily like Classics.

Once adjusting to how they felt, it wasn't a big deal, but just goes to show the different shapes really do play such a big part in how I am used to skating.

It doesn't help that I round off any wider edges on wheels just a little with the angle grinder so I can feel more like I am on fat or worn down Classics, but I don't ever recall the Radials feeling like that in smaller sizes.  These ones were brand new 55 mm Oski wheels, whereas I would more often have worn down 54 or even 53 mm Radials on other boards.

I slightly rounded off these ones too and they felt way better and more comfortable, but that is just me and I am not saying I don't like Radials, more so it was just a surprise how they gripped, but overall I think I would make any slightly more rounded edge wheel work better than a more square or sharper edge, at least for what I usually do now.

In the Conical—Radial—Classic spectrum I find Radials to be the worst of both, and the best of neither.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6941 on: November 20, 2024, 07:24:31 AM »
It seems, radials took my slappy crooks. The double edge curb i usually skate is slightly higher than regular curbs and with the radials I very often just slip out to noseslide or even overshoot to boardslide. Too scary. Back to conical fulls i guess. Bummed, because unlike how they look.

i always gotta get used to skating a different shape of wheel. i slam a lot though  ;D

i find classics kinda ass now. they feel too grippy even in 99a and feel like they slip out and slow.
I dont really notice much difference between radial and conical full. I am all about that RADIAL FULL now.

I thought they would last longer cause there is more there, maybe spread the load out a little more... but i dont think it really makes a difference. to me they feel the fastest and has the slipperyness that I want. Its actaully almost a little bit TOO slippery when I am doing a fast hill and making a turn. I want a bit more grip there and I am hoping to scoop some of those old formula 97a before they are gone cause the new formula will be more slippery (by design).

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6942 on: November 20, 2024, 08:23:49 AM »
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It seems, radials took my slappy crooks. The double edge curb i usually skate is slightly higher than regular curbs and with the radials I very often just slip out to noseslide or even overshoot to boardslide. Too scary. Back to conical fulls i guess. Bummed, because unlike how they look.
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Are the new Radials bigger than your usual / older Conical Full wheels?

Size of new wheels is often something that people overlook, but is not the be all and end all to how things feel.  I had a lot of tech tricks going back in the day on wheels that ended up being very small, then when I got new wheels, nothing worked as I was used to due to the wheel size difference.  This was back in the day, not current skating, so the old ones were probably 50 mm or under, the new ones 56 mm or so.  I do notice this on different setups now though, so even the same shape wheel in different sizes can perform differently for me.

The funny thing is the edge of both Radial and Conical Full is fairly much the same from new, both slightly wider with a smaller or lower edge, compared to rounder wheels like Classics, so it would be interesting to compare and see how much different they are in size and shape, right where they would touch anything like the side of a curb if you are slapping or popping into anything.

Curious to hear any which way.
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Same size as usual. 54 mm. I have the feeling that the slightly rounder edge is making me slip out more easily, since I sit nearly perpendicular in crooks and the radials don’t have enough edge to keep me locked in. Might be a mental thing though, since I don’t have that problem on one sided curbs. Madness.
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This is going to sound insane, but I like the classic and conical (regular) lock over radials. Somehow with radials, I think it’s a combination of the width with rounder edge. I feel like with Classics I get closer to edge of truck, but radials push the balance point “in” a bit, and things get kooky. Where I seem to notice the difference the MOST is on f/s feebles on transition—good feeling lock on those with both Conical and Classics. Do them with radials, and some twilight zone shit starts going down. Not the wheel for me.
explains my feeling pretty much spot on

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6943 on: November 20, 2024, 01:09:50 PM »
Any word when they will be coming out with different shape 93? Preferably in the conical full?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6944 on: November 21, 2024, 02:11:28 AM »
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It seems, radials took my slappy crooks. The double edge curb i usually skate is slightly higher than regular curbs and with the radials I very often just slip out to noseslide or even overshoot to boardslide. Too scary. Back to conical fulls i guess. Bummed, because unlike how they look.
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i always gotta get used to skating a different shape of wheel. i slam a lot though  ;D

i find classics kinda ass now. they feel too grippy even in 99a and feel like they slip out and slow.
I dont really notice much difference between radial and conical full. I am all about that RADIAL FULL now.

I thought they would last longer cause there is more there, maybe spread the load out a little more... but i dont think it really makes a difference. to me they feel the fastest and has the slipperyness that I want. Its actaully almost a little bit TOO slippery when I am doing a fast hill and making a turn. I want a bit more grip there and I am hoping to scoop some of those old formula 97a before they are gone cause the new formula will be more slippery (by design).

I gotta say that I don't find the new formula 97s too slippery at all. They're surprisingly grippy, I would've thought they'd slide more. Don't get me wrong, the slide is good, but they have yet to slip out on me.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6945 on: November 22, 2024, 12:52:04 AM »
Just got the 93 Spits and have just been carving around a little bit, no proper skating yet. But I can for sure say even feeling these in my hands, these are def not the same softness as Dragon 93s, you can tell that instantly. Im gonna skate these tomorrow and see if I like these or no.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6946 on: November 22, 2024, 01:17:24 AM »
So who's lying, Powell or Spitfire?

Anyone got a durometer (the device)?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6947 on: November 22, 2024, 01:40:40 AM »
So who's lying, Powell or Spitfire?

Anyone got a durometer (the device)?

Yeah we need some evidence.  ;D

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6948 on: November 22, 2024, 04:11:04 AM »
If you have a durometer at home, you already know everyone is lying and that's ok
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6949 on: November 22, 2024, 07:16:01 AM »
Yeah it's all relative. Thou shalt not pay attention to durometer that much across brand boundaries.

OJ Elite 99 is f*cking rock hard as compared to the moderately hard Spit F4 99.

Dragon 93 is noticeably softer than Spitfire 93.

Bones X97 is softer than Spitfire F4 97, old or new.

The list goes on.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6950 on: November 22, 2024, 07:47:39 AM »
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It seems, radials took my slappy crooks. The double edge curb i usually skate is slightly higher than regular curbs and with the radials I very often just slip out to noseslide or even overshoot to boardslide. Too scary. Back to conical fulls i guess. Bummed, because unlike how they look.
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i always gotta get used to skating a different shape of wheel. i slam a lot though  ;D

i find classics kinda ass now. they feel too grippy even in 99a and feel like they slip out and slow.
I dont really notice much difference between radial and conical full. I am all about that RADIAL FULL now.

I thought they would last longer cause there is more there, maybe spread the load out a little more... but i dont think it really makes a difference. to me they feel the fastest and has the slipperyness that I want. Its actaully almost a little bit TOO slippery when I am doing a fast hill and making a turn. I want a bit more grip there and I am hoping to scoop some of those old formula 97a before they are gone cause the new formula will be more slippery (by design).
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I gotta say that I don't find the new formula 97s too slippery at all. They're surprisingly grippy, I would've thought they'd slide more. Don't get me wrong, the slide is good, but they have yet to slip out on me.

I do think the new formula will also be fine for me in 97. Cause I am doing fine on the 99. The one thing I really like about the new formula is it feels significantly faster to me. so its probably just going to be winning all around. My shop has those Pedro 57mm i am gonna try and scoop if this bonus comes in.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6951 on: November 23, 2024, 03:01:02 AM »
Ok, first session indoors with soft sliders, 56mm. I like these for how they feel and sound, grip was pretty good but I slipped out if I was not careful enough and lean too hard. Speed was better than dragons and I like how these dont dampen as much as dragons. But these are def harder so I kinda expected that. One issue though, bearing slippage was real. Had to push the bearings back like 10 times during 15 mins untilit drove me crazy. Wheel got stuck, it was that bad. I have very little slack on my axle nuts, no spacers. Never really had this issue with other wheels other than really soft cruiser wheels. Not sure if I'm keeping these. I did the same smith grinds, 50s whatever tricks pinched my wheel with dragons and not single one issue with bearings slipping.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6952 on: November 23, 2024, 08:27:34 AM »
Ok, first session indoors with soft sliders, 56mm. I like these for how they feel and sound, grip was pretty good but I slipped out if I was not careful enough and lean too hard. Speed was better than dragons and I like how these dont dampen as much as dragons. But these are def harder so I kinda expected that. One issue though, bearing slippage was real. Had to push the bearings back like 10 times during 15 mins untilit drove me crazy. Wheel got stuck, it was that bad. I have very little slack on my axle nuts, no spacers. Never really had this issue with other wheels other than really soft cruiser wheels. Not sure if I'm keeping these. I did the same smith grinds, 50s whatever tricks pinched my wheel with dragons and not single one issue with bearings slipping.

That's unfortunate, man. I ride 56 Radial Soft Sliders as well and haven't had a single case of bearing slippage. Wonder if you got a bum set. Sucks nonetheless.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6953 on: November 23, 2024, 08:59:26 AM »
Ok, first session indoors with soft sliders, 56mm. I like these for how they feel and sound, grip was pretty good but I slipped out if I was not careful enough and lean too hard. Speed was better than dragons and I like how these dont dampen as much as dragons. But these are def harder so I kinda expected that. One issue though, bearing slippage was real. Had to push the bearings back like 10 times during 15 mins untilit drove me crazy. Wheel got stuck, it was that bad. I have very little slack on my axle nuts, no spacers. Never really had this issue with other wheels other than really soft cruiser wheels. Not sure if I'm keeping these. I did the same smith grinds, 50s whatever tricks pinched my wheel with dragons and not single one issue with bearings slipping.
you should try a warranty claim

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6954 on: November 23, 2024, 09:05:21 AM »
Seconding the warranty suggestion. I've skated the 54, 56 and 58mms without that happening once.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6955 on: November 23, 2024, 09:54:31 AM »
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Ok, first session indoors with soft sliders, 56mm. I like these for how they feel and sound, grip was pretty good but I slipped out if I was not careful enough and lean too hard. Speed was better than dragons and I like how these dont dampen as much as dragons. But these are def harder so I kinda expected that. One issue though, bearing slippage was real. Had to push the bearings back like 10 times during 15 mins untilit drove me crazy. Wheel got stuck, it was that bad. I have very little slack on my axle nuts, no spacers. Never really had this issue with other wheels other than really soft cruiser wheels. Not sure if I'm keeping these. I did the same smith grinds, 50s whatever tricks pinched my wheel with dragons and not single one issue with bearings slipping.
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That's unfortunate, man. I ride 56 Radial Soft Sliders as well and haven't had a single case of bearing slippage. Wonder if you got a bum set. Sucks nonetheless.

Yup, these felt very promising especially for indoor skating; good grip, slides good, fast af. I think I'll skate these for once more and see if I have the same issue but it was weirdly prominent. Kinda unfortunate because these wheels are really great for I what I'm skating.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6956 on: November 23, 2024, 12:00:09 PM »
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Ok, first session indoors with soft sliders, 56mm. I like these for how they feel and sound, grip was pretty good but I slipped out if I was not careful enough and lean too hard. Speed was better than dragons and I like how these dont dampen as much as dragons. But these are def harder so I kinda expected that. One issue though, bearing slippage was real. Had to push the bearings back like 10 times during 15 mins untilit drove me crazy. Wheel got stuck, it was that bad. I have very little slack on my axle nuts, no spacers. Never really had this issue with other wheels other than really soft cruiser wheels. Not sure if I'm keeping these. I did the same smith grinds, 50s whatever tricks pinched my wheel with dragons and not single one issue with bearings slipping.
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That's unfortunate, man. I ride 56 Radial Soft Sliders as well and haven't had a single case of bearing slippage. Wonder if you got a bum set. Sucks nonetheless.
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Yup, these felt very promising especially for indoor skating; good grip, slides good, fast af. I think I'll skate these for once more and see if I have the same issue but it was weirdly prominent. Kinda unfortunate because these wheels are really great for I what I'm skating.

True, they're a great wheel for many purposes and live up to the hype. I've enjoyed them at crustier outdoor spots/parks and indoors alike.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6957 on: November 23, 2024, 10:30:58 PM »
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Ok, first session indoors with soft sliders, 56mm. I like these for how they feel and sound, grip was pretty good but I slipped out if I was not careful enough and lean too hard. Speed was better than dragons and I like how these dont dampen as much as dragons. But these are def harder so I kinda expected that. One issue though, bearing slippage was real. Had to push the bearings back like 10 times during 15 mins untilit drove me crazy. Wheel got stuck, it was that bad. I have very little slack on my axle nuts, no spacers. Never really had this issue with other wheels other than really soft cruiser wheels. Not sure if I'm keeping these. I did the same smith grinds, 50s whatever tricks pinched my wheel with dragons and not single one issue with bearings slipping.
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That's unfortunate, man. I ride 56 Radial Soft Sliders as well and haven't had a single case of bearing slippage. Wonder if you got a bum set. Sucks nonetheless.
It seems like. Same here, never had an issue. Hit that warranty
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6958 on: November 24, 2024, 05:01:46 AM »
So you guys are buying that 97du wheels to skate indoor parks? Thats NOT really the kind of review i am looking for..


Currently on 57mm 99du radial fulls, love em.
I skate mainly shitty crusty street

Considering about buy a set of 97du dont know if go for the regular 97du radial fulls 56mm or the new 97d conical full 56mm

The info i am looking for is what you thing if we compare this three duros of spitfire 99du 97du and news97du

Dont mind at all bones or powels

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6959 on: November 24, 2024, 06:39:59 AM »
So you guys are buying that 97du wheels to skate indoor parks? Thats NOT really the kind of review i am looking for..


Currently on 57mm 99du radial fulls, love em.
I skate mainly shitty crusty street

Considering about buy a set of 97du dont know if go for the regular 97du radial fulls 56mm or the new 97d conical full 56mm

The info i am looking for is what you thing if we compare this three duros of spitfire 99du 97du and news97du

Dont mind at all bones or powels
If you love the 99's stick with them