Spitfire formula four

[jsettle]

blew this chunk off the 93s today. should i be trippin?

happened to me once years ago and i emailed dlx and they sent me 2 sets of new wheels. im sure they will hook it up if you email them with photos and reciept of purchase

[Jewel Runner]

I made up my mind shortly after I posted and I'm going with the 54s

Thanks to everyone who chipped in

[BartHarleyJarvis]

Crosspost from the Polarizer thread. Going to post a review on the Superwides once I get some time on em.

Picked up some Spitfire Superwides on Black Friday. The wheels that came with my little $40 polarizer were super plasticky and had no grip, so the upgrade should make it a lot more fun.


Bearings definitely sit a lot further in than I expected which is good because I was worried they were going to super hot rod. They're definitely wider than the old wheels though. They feel super grippy.



They still look pretty fun though. Gonna rip em a bit this weekend and will report back.

[toque]

Been mostly skating F4 101 conical full since they started making them and was considering trying some of the 97s so I came to this thread...read the last ~10 pages and now I'm just hella confused haha. Gonna test a buddy's 93s tomorrow to try and have some frame of reference for where to go from here

[Too Frank To Fred]

Been mostly skating F4 101 conical full since they started making them and was considering trying some of the 97s so I came to this thread...read the last ~10 pages and now I'm just hella confused haha. Gonna test a buddy's 93s tomorrow to try and have some frame of reference for where to go from here

If you're come from 101s maybe gradually make your way down...? 99s are still pretty amazing.

93s are great but they are going to feel very different to your 101s. 99s are still my all time favorite but its nice to rotate to some 93s for either really rough or really slick terrain.

97s would be a solid all rounder. Too many damn choices now. All depends on what terrain, tricks you like.

[Mbrimson88]

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Been mostly skating F4 101 conical full since they started making them and was considering trying some of the 97s so I came to this thread...read the last ~10 pages and now I'm just hella confused haha. Gonna test a buddy's 93s tomorrow to try and have some frame of reference for where to go from here

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If you're come from 101s maybe gradually make your way down...? 99s are still pretty amazing.

93s are great but they are going to feel very different to your 101s. 99s are still my all time favorite but its nice to rotate to some 93s for either really rough or really slick terrain.

97s would be a solid all rounder. Too many damn choices now. All depends on what terrain, tricks you like.

I guess the main question would be "What is your intended purpose for softer wheels?" which would help greatly.

Going by my own experiences, to be very simple with the differences:

The 93 are best for parking lots, super crusty old spots or when you just need a much smoother ride in general (even as a cruiser that still goes like a normal wheel).

The 97s are only a little softer than normal wheels and the new formula slide better than the old formula 97s, but both have been good at slippery parks or when I just wanted a little extra grip than anything else.

Lastly the usual 99 or 101 for everything else, when I just want fast and normal skate wheels, which I skate on normal skateparks, around carparks, my own wooden ramp, but I find them a little slippery on brand new concrete or skatelite surfaces.

To break that down a little between 99 and 101, I find the 101 harder and a bit faster, but inconsistent in a number of things, but the 99s are my usual go to for pretty much everything, just simply put they work great on almost everything, don't usually have issues with slips and know exactly how they will slide every time.

Others I skate with are all about the 99s, then some are all about the 101s and find almost anything else too soft, so personal preference does play into it a great deal, when comparing different formulas and uses.

[toque]

Appreciate the feedback. I only skate street, lots of rougher ground and crusty spots. Can't bluntsliide and not worried about tailslides etc but still want to be able to powerslide on hills. I'm getting older and am pretty tall/heavy with a bad back and knees and basically just want it to be less of a struggle getting over bad ground. Hoping to unlock some spots that 101s are just too hard for. Not really feeling the way 93s sound in footage and I want to be able to get some clips without sounding like I'm underwater.

Thinking the conical full 97 in 56mm in the newer formula would be pretty tight if I can find em.

[moonordie]

Appreciate the feedback. I only skate street, lots of rougher ground and crusty spots. Can't bluntsliide and not worried about tailslides etc but still want to be able to powerslide on hills. I'm getting older and am pretty tall/heavy with a bad back and knees and basically just want it to be less of a struggle getting over bad ground. Hoping to unlock some spots that 101s are just too hard for. Not really feeling the way 93s sound in footage and I want to be able to get some clips without sounding like I'm underwater.

Thinking the conical full 97 in 56mm in the newer formula would be pretty tight if I can find em.

Sounds like 93 will be perfect for you.

[rikki]

Appreciate the feedback. I only skate street, lots of rougher ground and crusty spots. Can't bluntsliide and not worried about tailslides etc but still want to be able to powerslide on hills. I'm getting older and am pretty tall/heavy with a bad back and knees and basically just want it to be less of a struggle getting over bad ground. Hoping to unlock some spots that 101s are just too hard for. Not really feeling the way 93s sound in footage and I want to be able to get some clips without sounding like I'm underwater.

Thinking the conical full 97 in 56mm in the newer formula would be pretty tight if I can find em.

I'd say you have two good options with Spitfire:
- 93s
- the new 97 formula

And two with Bones:
- X97
- X99

--> where X99 is obviously the harder option, but not nearly as hard as a regular Spitfire 99.

All slide well and perform pretty ok with all kinds of coping. For rough-ass crust I'd go with the 93 myself. If the ground is not a warzone, I prefer the X99 or the new formula Spit 97.

[Mbrimson88]

Appreciate the feedback. I only skate street, lots of rougher ground and crusty spots. Can't bluntsliide and not worried about tailslides etc but still want to be able to powerslide on hills. I'm getting older and am pretty tall/heavy with a bad back and knees and basically just want it to be less of a struggle getting over bad ground. Hoping to unlock some spots that 101s are just too hard for. Not really feeling the way 93s sound in footage and I want to be able to get some clips without sounding like I'm underwater.

Thinking the conical full 97 in 56mm in the newer formula would be pretty tight if I can find em.

I hadn't really had a full session on the new 97 duro wheels since setting them up the other day, so went out and had a roll.

They sure did slide so well on the road and handle rough concrete really easily too, so I don't think you would be disappointed with them at all, for how they skated for me today.

Definitely not weirdly bouncy like the 93 duro wheels are, and made almost the same noise as the usual 99s when sliding too, which was good.

Any which way, choice is yours, but as you said, check when they come out in Conical Full as they are definitely available now in the Radials in 55 and 57 mm for Pedro's pro wheel, but others might take a while longer to come out in the updated formula.

[rawbertson.]

I think you should only skate 101a if you only skate in straight lines at perfect skate plaza spots. I am pretty sure Yuto uses 101a and most Street League / Contest skaters. I would imagine Torey Pudwill uses em too (also a contest skater) and TJ Rogers would use them if he didnt ride for Bones  (still rides STF, also a contest skater too)

I think you should avoid 99a if you are worried about sticking on noseslides and stuff, I would say the newer formulas slide a lot better. The reason I skate 99a is because I want that little bit of grip.

[toque]

Appreciate the responses, Gs. Gonna try a friend's 93s today and will probably end up waiting til the new 97 formula comes out in conical full

[MMongrel]

Would you guys go with 93 or 97 for slippery indoor parks? I skate 99's (conical full's and lately OG classics) year around and I thought I'd tough it out with them through the winter but I had a few close calls yesterday with slipping out.

[swongolianbbq]

Would you guys go with 93 or 97 for slippery indoor parks? I skate 99's (conical full's and lately OG classics) year around and I thought I'd tough it out with them through the winter but I had a few close calls yesterday with slipping out.

Either honestly, I've skated both on suuuper smooth concrete, painted metal, skatelite/masonite, plywood

To me the key is riding them outside for a bit to get a good texture on em so they grip better and don't seem to pick up as much dust... I hate brand new wheels in an indoor park

 I also every once in a while grab my board by the nose and tail and rub it in a circle on the cinder block wall or like a rough/thin doormat/rug to get dust off my wheels

I feel like indoor parks fuck up bearings more than outdoor ones, when I see the homies board with like a bunch of hair wrapped around his axle

[MMongrel]

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Would you guys go with 93 or 97 for slippery indoor parks? I skate 99's (conical full's and lately OG classics) year around and I thought I'd tough it out with them through the winter but I had a few close calls yesterday with slipping out.

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Either honestly, I've skated both on suuuper smooth concrete, painted metal, skatelite/masonite, plywood

To me the key is riding them outside for a bit to get a good texture on em so they grip better and don't seem to pick up as much dust... I hate brand new wheels in an indoor park

 I also every once in a while grab my board by the nose and tail and rub it in a circle on the cinder block wall or like a rough/thin doormat/rug to get dust off my wheels

I feel like indoor parks fuck up bearings more than outdoor ones, when I see the homies board with like a bunch of hair wrapped around his axle

Thanks! I might just go with the 93 56 Radials since I like how they look. Breaking them in outside sounds like it makes perfect sense. Hopefully I can find a spot somewhere with some stone or asphalt, currently snowed in.

Especially wider wheels seem to gather so much excess gunk. We had a situation with the provider of one indoor park getting fed up with people cleaning their wheels on the walls.

[swongolianbbq]

I fint the wider wheels slide better, one time skating in the rain I tried f4 97a classics vs f4 97a conical fulls and the classics were more grippy, like the narrower wheel digs into the surface and the wider one breaks away like a racecar tire drifting or something, so I wonder if wheels with a more narrow contact patch are the jam for indoors

[backside_frontside]

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blew this chunk off the 93s today. should i be trippin?

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Wow that is huge
Was there any metal angle iron involved? Screw sticking out?

I had a decent sized chunk come off my 52 F4 classics this past weekend while skating smooth pavement and a stone curb. Not quite as big a chunk as yours but still enough to be like WTF. Brand new wheels too, this was like my first real session on them. If only I still had the receipt tho.

[moykky]

I fint the wider wheels slide better, one time skating in the rain I tried f4 97a classics vs f4 97a conical fulls and the classics were more grippy, like the narrower wheel digs into the surface and the wider one breaks away like a racecar tire drifting or something, so I wonder if wheels with a more narrow contact patch are the jam for indoors

Like in the wider wheel the weight is distributed to larger area that are in contact with the ground 
It definitely can be, depending what the ground is...

Somebody contact "whythetrick" 

[Fifty8mm]

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I fint the wider wheels slide better, one time skating in the rain I tried f4 97a classics vs f4 97a conical fulls and the classics were more grippy, like the narrower wheel digs into the surface and the wider one breaks away like a racecar tire drifting or something, so I wonder if wheels with a more narrow contact patch are the jam for indoors

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Like in the wider wheel the weight is distributed to larger area that are in contact with the ground 
It definitely can be, depending what the ground is...

Somebody contact "whythetrick" 

I had a more predictable and better slide with 57mm lock in fulls than with 51mm classics.
Same with 58mm radials vs 50mm classics.
All four wheels where F4s 99a.

[bombsaway86]

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Would you guys go with 93 or 97 for slippery indoor parks? I skate 99's (conical full's and lately OG classics) year around and I thought I'd tough it out with them through the winter but I had a few close calls yesterday with slipping out.

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Either honestly, I've skated both on suuuper smooth concrete, painted metal, skatelite/masonite, plywood

To me the key is riding them outside for a bit to get a good texture on em so they grip better and don't seem to pick up as much dust... I hate brand new wheels in an indoor park

 I also every once in a while grab my board by the nose and tail and rub it in a circle on the cinder block wall or like a rough/thin doormat/rug to get dust off my wheels

I feel like indoor parks fuck up bearings more than outdoor ones, when I see the homies board with like a bunch of hair wrapped around his axle

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Thanks! I might just go with the 93 56 Radials since I like how they look. Breaking them in outside sounds like it makes perfect sense. Hopefully I can find a spot somewhere with some stone or asphalt, currently snowed in.

Especially wider wheels seem to gather so much excess gunk. We had a situation with the provider of one indoor park getting fed up with people cleaning their wheels on the walls.

You would think that they would occasionally mop, especially since people are paying to skate there. People wouldn’t clean their wheels in the wall if they did. I’ve always found this so frustrating about private parks.

[MMongrel]

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Would you guys go with 93 or 97 for slippery indoor parks? I skate 99's (conical full's and lately OG classics) year around and I thought I'd tough it out with them through the winter but I had a few close calls yesterday with slipping out.

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Either honestly, I've skated both on suuuper smooth concrete, painted metal, skatelite/masonite, plywood

To me the key is riding them outside for a bit to get a good texture on em so they grip better and don't seem to pick up as much dust... I hate brand new wheels in an indoor park

 I also every once in a while grab my board by the nose and tail and rub it in a circle on the cinder block wall or like a rough/thin doormat/rug to get dust off my wheels

I feel like indoor parks fuck up bearings more than outdoor ones, when I see the homies board with like a bunch of hair wrapped around his axle

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Thanks! I might just go with the 93 56 Radials since I like how they look. Breaking them in outside sounds like it makes perfect sense. Hopefully I can find a spot somewhere with some stone or asphalt, currently snowed in.

Especially wider wheels seem to gather so much excess gunk. We had a situation with the provider of one indoor park getting fed up with people cleaning their wheels on the walls.

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You would think that they would occasionally mop, especially since people are paying to skate there. People wouldn’t clean their wheels in the wall if they did. I’ve always found this so frustrating about private parks.

They did every week but the said park was in a literal parking garage located in a mall. The winter weather here is cold and dry so it's just bound to happen. At least the only payment was a small donation for the local skate association so I'm not complaining.

People were also sometines doing the cleaning in the areas near to the park so I completely get the establishment not wanting grey surf lines on their walls.

[scab]

I fint the wider wheels slide better, one time skating in the rain I tried f4 97a classics vs f4 97a conical fulls and the classics were more grippy, like the narrower wheel digs into the surface and the wider one breaks away like a racecar tire drifting or something, so I wonder if wheels with a more narrow contact patch are the jam for indoors

I also feel like wider wheels slide better in general, but in my experience narrower wheels suck for slippy indoors because they have a tendency to slip out much more easily. I just have significantly less control overall on narrow contact patches.

[rawbertson.]

I am also finding the classics actually too grippy. i notice people who skate transition really like these wheels which makes sense. if i can ever get to the indoor soon i am going to try those next.

lol the 95a OJ I have were really awesome for that indoor though i might just set those up again. its all metal and plastic stuff anyway, i dont think i need to worry too mcuh about sticking. when you get enough of that crap on your wheels it kinda helps slide anyway 

at CJ's skatepark in mississauga Ontario, they have carpets all along the walls for people to rub their yucky wheels against to clean them off 

[Too Frank To Fred]

Just tried the 93s at Burnside. I thought they'd be a bit sluggish but my worn 56 radials felt pretty damn great on that terrain. Prob a bit slower than 99s but the slip to grip was perfect and felt way safer, allowing me to pump through some wonky corners and pockets with way more confidence. I can see why Emile at Burnside and Hewitt at WA St are super into the 93s, so the story goes...

Looking forward to some Radial Full 58mm/ 93s that should be out in Spring. I think they'll be ideal for giant crusty parks and parks like Burnside that have slick sections and weird lumpy bumpy sections....

[logjammin]

has anyone confirmed if the new new 97's come in the normal shapes besides the delfino specific ones?

[Mbrimson88]

has anyone confirmed if the new new 97's come in the normal shapes besides the delfino specific ones?

Yes some other info was posted a while back, 35th Ave shop had some of them in but more shops will get them as they transition from old stock to new stock.

The pain in all of it is that the packaging and everything else will be the same as the old stock, just the new reformulated teal sticker on the top, which can come off too, so until you ride them, you might not know.

They will come in all the same shapes and sizes that are currently out.

[Mbrimson88]

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New 97 duro sticker and other info available on page 219, with link and review by 144p


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg4240606#msg4240606


I think I reposted the whole thing a few times, so will just leave it at that - check page 219 for everything and then a page or two this way or that for more info.

[swongolianbbq]

Just tried the 93s at Burnside. I thought they'd be a bit sluggish but my worn 56 radials felt pretty damn great on that terrain. Prob a bit slower than 99s but the slip to grip was perfect and felt way safer, allowing me to pump through some wonky corners and pockets with way more confidence. I can see why Emile at Burnside and Hewitt at WA St are super into the 93s, so the story goes...

Looking forward to some Radial Full 58mm/ 93s that should be out in Spring. I think they'll be ideal for giant crusty parks and parks like Burnside that have slick sections and weird lumpy bumpy sections....

Hell yeah

Man I would be so stoked for 60mm 93s but idk if that's gonna happen. Hopefully there'll be some 60mm 97s again like with the Carlyles and Tfunks

[camel filters]

Looking forward to some Radial Full 58mm/ 93s that should be out in Spring. I think they'll be ideal for giant crusty parks and parks like Burnside that have slick sections and weird lumpy bumpy sections....

Man I'm riding some 99 radial fulls 56mm thats worn to about 54mm and they are getting nice. I think I will like them even more when theyre down to 52 or so too. I think I will actually like a 56 radial full that wears down quicker like the 93s since it took me forever to wear the 99's to even a 54. I really dug my previous 93s too, I just wanted a wider surface.

[BartHarleyJarvis]

Found a set of nearly brand new 93s at LA High so shout out to whatever pro decided they didn’t like them.

Not sure when I’ll set them up but stoked on the come up.