Spitfire formula four

[Llewellyn Moss]

The Radial 93s caught my eye. I tried the Classic 93s when they first dropped and ended up selling them. They were too slow as I'm used to 99s plus I just don't fw Classics.

Coming from 54mm Conical Fulls (99) currently, anyone know if I'd have a significant drop in speed going to 54mm Radial 93? I had to push a lot more with the 93 Classics, but the Radials have more surface on the ground, which might mean less speed loss? I skate street mostly ledges, hips, launches on smooth surfaces and want speed cruising around parks.

I realize they're designed to shine on rougher rides, but a reason I might give 93s another shot is the potential for impact reduction. Should I just hold out for 97s, or try the new Radial 93s?

[Slave IV]

I haven't tried anything softer than 97 but unless you are trying to hit crusty, rough spots, I don't think there is any reason to go softer than 97. If you need more impact protection, put it in your shoes.

[fulfillthedream]

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Stoked they are back, gutted no 52mm's...

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thank fucking god they’re back. I’m still sitting on a set from the last run but now I won’t have to run them till they’re 35’s lmao. Also if they wear down just as quick some 54’s will be 52’s in like 2 weeks

arent they on the latest drop with the Reynolds graphic?

[Hqjdncm]

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Stoked they are back, gutted no 52mm's...

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thank fucking god they’re back. I’m still sitting on a set from the last run but now I won’t have to run them till they’re 35’s lmao. Also if they wear down just as quick some 54’s will be 52’s in like 2 weeks

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arent they on the latest drop with the Reynolds graphic?

They are. The Reynolds’s classics for this drop is 52,53, and 54 mm

[rawbertson.]

The Radial 93s caught my eye. I tried the Classic 93s when they first dropped and ended up selling them. They were too slow as I'm used to 99s plus I just don't fw Classics.

Coming from 54mm Conical Fulls (99) currently, anyone know if I'd have a significant drop in speed going to 54mm Radial 93? I had to push a lot more with the 93 Classics, but the Radials have more surface on the ground, which might mean less speed loss? I skate street mostly ledges, hips, launches on smooth surfaces and want speed cruising around parks.

I realize they're designed to shine on rougher rides, but a reason I might give 93s another shot is the potential for impact reduction. Should I just hold out for 97s, or try the new Radial 93s?

I have had all three and I’d just stick with 99 unless you skate a lot of crust.

[Mbrimson88]

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The Radial 93s caught my eye. I tried the Classic 93s when they first dropped and ended up selling them. They were too slow as I'm used to 99s plus I just don't fw Classics.

Coming from 54mm Conical Fulls (99) currently, anyone know if I'd have a significant drop in speed going to 54mm Radial 93? I had to push a lot more with the 93 Classics, but the Radials have more surface on the ground, which might mean less speed loss? I skate street mostly ledges, hips, launches on smooth surfaces and want speed cruising around parks.

I realize they're designed to shine on rougher rides, but a reason I might give 93s another shot is the potential for impact reduction. Should I just hold out for 97s, or try the new Radial 93s?

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I have had all three and I’d just stick with 99 unless you skate a lot of crust.

Not to mention that the current run is Classics, so it might be harder to find the Radial shape, unless you are here in Australia or somewhere else that still has them.

Overall I think they would all still skate about the same for speed - the same size but different shape is not going to greatly improve from Classics to Radials in the speed department, maybe more just wider riding surface make it easier to get over things, at least that is what I found from having both on different boards at the same time.

Faster bearings too might help.


* There are Radial Full wheels out too, but not normal Radials.  Should have mentioned that.


https://dlxskateshop.com/collections/all#filter:brand=spitfire


Current 93 duro soft slider formula:

Radial full in 54 and 58 sizes.

Classic in 54, 56, 58 and 60 mm sizes.


** I see now they have updated the list with all of them, or at least more - Classics, Radials and Radial Full pro editions.  Thanks to the people that pointed that out too - always good to have the correct info.  Appreciated!!!


Classic Reynolds in 52, 53 and 54 mm sizes.

Radials in 54, 56 and 58 mm sizes.

[swongolianbbq]

There's regular radial 93s on the current drop on the spitfire website, seems like shops would be able to order them

[Snappyfingers]

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The Radial 93s caught my eye. I tried the Classic 93s when they first dropped and ended up selling them. They were too slow as I'm used to 99s plus I just don't fw Classics.

Coming from 54mm Conical Fulls (99) currently, anyone know if I'd have a significant drop in speed going to 54mm Radial 93? I had to push a lot more with the 93 Classics, but the Radials have more surface on the ground, which might mean less speed loss? I skate street mostly ledges, hips, launches on smooth surfaces and want speed cruising around parks.

I realize they're designed to shine on rougher rides, but a reason I might give 93s another shot is the potential for impact reduction. Should I just hold out for 97s, or try the new Radial 93s?

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I have had all three and I’d just stick with 99 unless you skate a lot of crust.

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Not to mention that the current run is Classics, so it might be harder to find the Radial shape, unless you are here in Australia or somewhere else that still has them.

Overall I think they would all still skate about the same for speed - the same size but different shape is not going to greatly improve from Classics to Radials in the speed department, maybe more just wider riding surface make it easier to get over things, at least that is what I found from having both on different boards at the same time.

Faster bearings too might help.


* There are Radial Full wheels out too, but not normal Radials.  Should have mentioned that.


https://dlxskateshop.com/collections/all#filter:brand=spitfire


Current 93 duro soft slider formula:

Radial full in 54 and 58 sizes.

Classic in 54, 56, 58 and 60 mm sizes.

Regular Radials were definitely released, on the DLX shop site

[somethingmustbreaknow]

due to newborn-induced time constraints and geographical proximity i returned to two old skateparks of my youth (20 years ago) for a quick session. the ground (kiss my asphalt) used to be quite good back then but is now pretty weathered and kind of rough. so, what do i need? f4 99 duro? f4 97 duro? or even f4 93 duro? i skated there with f4 101 duro and it was not that pleasant. granted, i am quite spoiled as in the last decade i was mostly skating in a covered concrete skatepark under a bridge that is slick as fuck. so maybe i would be getting used to skate rougher asphalt with 101 duro wheels too. thanks for the insights, spitfire-heads.

tl;dr: rougher/older skatepark-asphalt ground - which duro wheels do i need? 99? 97? 93?

[BALARGUE]

While hardness is most of the time a matter of preference and depends on the tricks you like to do, you can play with diameter too
Personally I feel like 93s kinda suck at the park because it doesn't work well with crooks and metal edges for instance.
Same as you, I usually skate a smooth concrete skatepark but another option around me is a park with weathered asphalt. I went for F4 99 56mm and it helps a lot.

[roba]

due to newborn-induced time constraints and geographical proximity i returned to two old skateparks of my youth (20 years ago) for a quick session. the ground (kiss my asphalt) used to be quite good back then but is now pretty weathered and kind of rough. so, what do i need? f4 99 duro? f4 97 duro? or even f4 93 duro? i skated there with f4 101 duro and it was not that pleasant. granted, i am quite spoiled as in the last decade i was mostly skating in a covered concrete skatepark under a bridge that is slick as fuck. so maybe i would be getting used to skate rougher asphalt with 101 duro wheels too. thanks for the insights, spitfire-heads.

tl;dr: rougher/older skatepark-asphalt ground - which duro wheels do i need? 99? 97? 93?

i never had the opportunity to ride new 97a spits, only the old formula. however:

if you're used to the 101s, 97a will be a very noticeable difference but shouldn't be that hard to adjust to. those still feel like hard wheels, while the 93a feels like a soft-ish wheel that slides well. like they're good wheels, but they have that cruisery feeling, which might throw you off. it definitely threw me off and i'm used to the old 97s, that was my go-to wheel for the last 3-4 years. if you want something harder i'd go with the bones x99, they feel a bit more forgiving than the spitfire equivalent, those might feel the most similar to the 101 f4s. they're bones though...

from what i've read the new 97a spits also feel a little harder than the old formula so those would probably be a good choice too, but like i said, i've never ridden them, so i don't really know how they compare.

[moonordie]

A friend who is a very talented skateboarder insisted that he could not skate properly on 93s… got mad and when back to 99s after a few sessions.

In not a very talented skateboarder by any means but I also can't skate properly on 93s.
Their bounciness mess up with my pop and everything feels horrible.

[Mbrimson88]

Regular Radials were definitely released, on the DLX shop site

There's regular radial 93s on the current drop on the spitfire website, seems like shops would be able to order them

Thanks for the updates - always good to have the correct and full info.


Re Spitfire catalog has been updated with all of them now I see.

So yeah it is good to see all of them now, that is to say what is listed on the catalog (but maybe still not all of them as per the pre book info for all the other versions that were yet to come out, but they might be in the works now too) so I see the regular and the Reynolds Classics, Radials, Radial Full pro editions.


* I always thought the regular Classic in 60 mm was more like a Classic Full shape too, so it is good to see that one in there.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2025/

Hit the link above for the full catalog or click on the pics below for the larger versions.

[Chalupa]

Does anyone know if or when the black Radial 93s are getting released? I think there was a 54, 56, and 58 mm option, that was supposed to come out when the Bannerot wheels in 93 were originally supposed to be released, but can't find it in any texts/photos.

[meeevs]

I always thought the regular Classic in 60 mm was more like a Classic Full shape too, so it is good to see that one in there.

I hadn't noticed how much bigger the 'jump' to 60 is, interesting!

[Mbrimson88]

Does anyone know if or when the black Radial 93s are getting released? I think there was a 54, 56, and 58 mm option, that was supposed to come out when the Bannerot wheels in 93 were originally supposed to be released, but can't find it in any texts/photos.

They were on the pre book catalogs for shops, so I am guessing with the backlog of 93 duro wheel shapes and sizes they are working through, they still might come out at some point, or they might not depending on the interest and availability.

If there is no longer a shortage of materials I would think that they would be the next wheels to be on the production line, but I am just a guy looking in the window from the other side of the world - no real information or anything to go by here.


Spring Drop 1 from 2025 with Atlantic Drift wheels was the one with the Bannerot 93 wheel, which also had the Classic 54, 56, 58 and Radials, but all in the natural colour options as per what is out now.

Summer Drop 1 2025 with the Nelly wheels was the one with the black 93 duro wheels you were asking about, but I am not adding anything else here until the products actually come out or are shown on DLX socials.

That is the last info on 93 duro wheels, in any catalogs through into 2026 but to note, they still do have new products come out that are not in those catalogs from time to time, especially if they were waiting on materials to recommence production for the runs of those wheels, including any that were going to happen after those drops but then pics were pulled from those catalogs.

I guess that will be the surprise then, if or when they do come out.

[swongolianbbq]

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I always thought the regular Classic in 60 mm was more like a Classic Full shape too, so it is good to see that one in there.

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I hadn't noticed how much bigger the 'jump' to 60 is, interesting!

60mm classics have always been their own kind of animal. For a while there the "classic" 60s actually had a conical cutout.

But yeah the width jumps up a lot there

[Hqjdncm]

The 60mm classic formula wheels still are conical/of classsic shape. I know for f4 the 60mm of classics are a thing but idk if for the f4 classic shape if they are conical/og classic shape when they are 60mm. If someone gets them lmk. The og formula 60s worn down to like ~55mm is my all time favorite shape. Was religiously on those for a couple years.

[swongolianbbq]

The 60mm classic formula wheels still are conical/of classsic shape. I know for f4 the 60mm of classics are a thing but idk if for the f4 classic shape if they are conical/og classic shape when they are 60mm. If someone gets them lmk. The og formula 60s worn down to like ~55mm is my all time favorite shape. Was religiously on those for a couple years.

I had a recent set of F4 classics 60s, they were regular classic shape just like the 58s

[DERBY]

holy fuck yes. 60mm classic is my favourite shape

[SwitchBenihana]

I thought the soft sliders would grip better at really slick parks, but found the opposite. They'd break in a really unpredictable way.

[swongolianbbq]

I thought the soft sliders would grip better at really slick parks, but found the opposite. They'd break in a really unpredictable way.

I thought they slid easier than my old formula 97s and they also felt more lively and this felt faster

I busted my ass one time sliding on blacktop with some 58mm 93a radials cause they just kept going and randomly started sliding faster

But I honestly kinda like it

I feel like they grip too much on crooked grinding metal skatepark ledges tho so I went back to 99s, but in the street I'll probably keep using them now that they have classic 56s

They just smooth everything out so good on rougher ground, even though they wear down faster, now that they have 56, 58, 60mm classics shape, it's awesome cause that shape wears down so well throughout its lifespan

Riding a 60 down to a 54, and then it's just as if you have a brand new set of 54mm radial fulls, foreal

[Mbrimson88]

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I always thought the regular Classic in 60 mm was more like a Classic Full shape too, so it is good to see that one in there.

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I hadn't noticed how much bigger the 'jump' to 60 is, interesting!

Yeah most wheel shapes go up a little each time, but some jump a bit more, including these:


Classic from 58 x 35.5 to 60 x 38ish

Radial from 56 x 35 to 58 x 38

Classic Full from 54 x 34 to 56 x 37


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


* I also find it curious how the main chart information is a little different to some of these new listings, so did someone change the shapes of the wheels, or are they just listed differently?  Or should I just stop asking questions and enjoy some more skating?

60mm classics have always been their own kind of animal. For a while there the "classic" 60s actually had a conical cutout.

But yeah the width jumps up a lot there

The 60mm classic formula wheels still are conical/of classsic shape. I know for f4 the 60mm of classics are a thing but idk if for the f4 classic shape if they are conical/og classic shape when they are 60mm. If someone gets them lmk. The og formula 60s worn down to like ~55mm is my all time favorite shape. Was religiously on those for a couple years.

The original formula 60 mm Classic wheel with the red swirl graphic was always and still is still a Conical Full style shape of wheel.  That is just how they have always made them.

When they brought out Formula Four, right from the first set, they were always the actual rounded "Classic" or actually more a "Classic Full" shape, pretty much the same as they are now, first in the blue graphic with the big FORMULA FOUR running round the bottom edge, then swapped everything over to the swirl graphic to make it a bit more uniform.

Don't know why the shapes were always like that, but it is just how they are.


https://media.rainpos.com/3261/spitfire_formular_four_shapes.jpg






The original Classic 60 mm wheels:

[Welsh Rarebit]

Any recommendations for readily available wheels for skatelite mini ramps and bowls? I’m skating some 58 mm 99s, I’ve always skated classics but happy to change shape. Regret not trying the new formulas 97s when they were more available

[Mbrimson88]

Any recommendations for readily available wheels for skatelite mini ramps and bowls? I’m skating some 58 mm 99s, I’ve always skated classics but happy to change shape. Regret not trying the new formulas 97s when they were more available

I guess it depends on the Skatelite, if it is slippery or normal feeling.  Some Skatelite ramps are like ice, whereas others are great with any normal wheel.

Coming from Classics, most of the squared off edge wheels are going to feel very clunky and might take a while to adjust to, eg OG Classics, Conical and similar.

If in doubt check what is available in Radials as there is usually a good range of bigger Radials still around, but I guess it depends on location and if shops did get bigger ones, especially if you skate 58 mm more so than 56 or 57 mm sizes.

The reformulated 97 duro Pedro wheel was a Radial in both 55 and 57 mm sizes, or the Grant Taylor Undead 99 duro Radials in 55.5 or 57.5 mm sizes, which I think are the most recent of those size and shape wheels.

See how you go with those options anyway.

[somethingmustbreaknow]

@BALARGUE @roba @moonordie gnars to the pals providing their knowledge to my question.
yeah i was also worrying about the bouncyness of 93 duro. also, potential issues while grinding/sliding metal ledges definitely throw me off. i might try again with 99, which i already have on ice and try to get my hands on some 97 as well.

[swongolianbbq]

Look at the date lol

[Welsh Rarebit]

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Any recommendations for readily available wheels for skatelite mini ramps and bowls? I’m skating some 58 mm 99s, I’ve always skated classics but happy to change shape. Regret not trying the new formulas 97s when they were more available

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I guess it depends on the Skatelite, if it is slippery or normal feeling.  Some Skatelite ramps are like ice, whereas others are great with any normal wheel.

Coming from Classics, most of the squared off edge wheels are going to feel very clunky and might take a while to adjust to, eg OG Classics, Conical and similar.

If in doubt check what is available in Radials as there is usually a good range of bigger Radials still around, but I guess it depends on location and if shops did get bigger ones, especially if you skate 58 mm more so than 56 or 57 mm sizes.

The reformulated 97 duro Pedro wheel was a Radial in both 55 and 57 mm sizes, or the Grant Taylor Undead 99 duro Radials in 55.5 or 57.5 mm sizes, which I think are the most recent of those size and shape wheels.

See how you go with those options anyway.

Thank you so much! The skakelite at my local feels rather slippy at times but that could well be a result of my poor balance and lack of skating ability rather than the surface itself! Will keep an eye out for some radial 99s, or fingers crossed the “new formula” 97s’ supply issues resolve themselves soon. Also down to give 93s a go.

[rawbertson.]

i was using 58mm OJ 95a for a slippery indoor and really liked it. can get those wheels for dirt cheap.
dragons or 93a soft sliders are fine for slippery indoor as well, work good enough. i didnt feel liek it was much different to the OJs though, but i would much rather have the non OJ wheels at a crusty street spot (the OJs worked well enough there though too, but dont slide worth shit on a noseslide unless you have a boatload of wax.)

[Obijuan91]

Is a 52’mm radial just a work down 54mm Classic?