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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8070 on: December 23, 2025, 08:01:47 AM »
I concur, the new 97 is closer to a 99 than a 93.
Old 97 is more like a 95? New Bach of 93’s feel different than original ones too. It’s not bad but they seem to grab metal coping and ledges a bit more than the old batch.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8071 on: December 23, 2025, 10:40:48 PM »
I had the metal coping problem, i got launched off a small grind which instantly made me question the purpose of 93s

I live in NYC, i love 93s except for the stickiness. Id rather not swap em out constantly
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8072 on: December 23, 2025, 11:12:32 PM »
Longer term follow-up on the new 97a formula...

I find them to be a No Man's Land between 93a and 99a: They are the "worst of both, and the best of neither." By this, I mean that they do not have nearly the crust-busting abilities of 93a, but also do not have the speed, slide, and rebound of 99a. All the positive, defining, great things of the 93s and the 99a are compromised in the 97a, but nothing about the 97a really shines or excels. I'll stick to a set of 93a (or 80HD) for crust situations, and 99a for everything else.   

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8073 on: December 23, 2025, 11:35:44 PM »
Longer term follow-up on the new 97a formula...

I find them to be a No Man's Land between 93a and 99a: They are the "worst of both, and the best of neither." By this, I mean that they do not have nearly the crust-busting abilities of 93a, but also do not have the speed, slide, and rebound of 99a. All the positive, defining, great things of the 93s and the 99a are compromised in the 97a, but nothing about the 97a really shines or excels. I'll stick to a set of 93a (or 80HD) for crust situations, and 99a for everything else.

How would you compare it to Bones X97/99?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8074 on: December 24, 2025, 12:32:02 AM »
Longer term follow-up on the new 97a formula...

I find them to be a No Man's Land between 93a and 99a: They are the "worst of both, and the best of neither." By this, I mean that they do not have nearly the crust-busting abilities of 93a, but also do not have the speed, slide, and rebound of 99a. All the positive, defining, great things of the 93s and the 99a are compromised in the 97a, but nothing about the 97a really shines or excels. I'll stick to a set of 93a (or 80HD) for crust situations, and 99a for everything else.

This really shows how we're different. I'm on the polar opposite: the new duro 97s are the perfect synergy of a softer wheel and an F4 99. To me they're fast, slide good, don't stick and handle crust adequately.

The past summer I tried my old F4 99s after riding the new 97s for a long while. Lo and behold, the 99s actually felt slower in a concrete bowl, plus my feet started to hurt a lot faster on flatground. Switched back to the 97s in a jiffy.

I guess we're all different.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8075 on: December 24, 2025, 12:36:27 AM »

How would you compare it to Bones X97/99?


In a nutshell, compared to new duro F4 97:
- the X97 is a tad softer, slower and stickier, wears out faster
- the X99 is a tad harder, no discernible difference in speed, slides out easier on plywood (indoor season here in Sweden)

I like them all, but out of the three, the new F4 97 is easily my go-to favorite wheel these days. Checks most of the boxes.

Caveat: if I was younger and didn't have to skate on plywood, I'd just stick to the good ol' F4 99. But those days are over for me.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8076 on: December 24, 2025, 08:02:07 AM »
Longer term follow-up on the new 97a formula...

I find them to be a No Man's Land between 93a and 99a: They are the "worst of both, and the best of neither." By this, I mean that they do not have nearly the crust-busting abilities of 93a, but also do not have the speed, slide, and rebound of 99a. All the positive, defining, great things of the 93s and the 99a are compromised in the 97a, but nothing about the 97a really shines or excels. I'll stick to a set of 93a (or 80HD) for crust situations, and 99a for everything else.

That really is the F4 way.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8077 on: December 24, 2025, 08:04:13 AM »
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Longer term follow-up on the new 97a formula...

I find them to be a No Man's Land between 93a and 99a: They are the "worst of both, and the best of neither." By this, I mean that they do not have nearly the crust-busting abilities of 93a, but also do not have the speed, slide, and rebound of 99a. All the positive, defining, great things of the 93s and the 99a are compromised in the 97a, but nothing about the 97a really shines or excels. I'll stick to a set of 93a (or 80HD) for crust situations, and 99a for everything else.
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How would you compare it to Bones X97/99?

I don't ride Bones wheels, so I can't give any info on that.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8078 on: December 24, 2025, 08:13:52 AM »
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Longer term follow-up on the new 97a formula...

I find them to be a No Man's Land between 93a and 99a: They are the "worst of both, and the best of neither." By this, I mean that they do not have nearly the crust-busting abilities of 93a, but also do not have the speed, slide, and rebound of 99a. All the positive, defining, great things of the 93s and the 99a are compromised in the 97a, but nothing about the 97a really shines or excels. I'll stick to a set of 93a (or 80HD) for crust situations, and 99a for everything else.
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This really shows how we're different. I'm on the polar opposite: the new duro 97s are the perfect synergy of a softer wheel and an F4 99. To me they're fast, slide good, don't stick and handle crust adequately.

The past summer I tried my old F4 99s after riding the new 97s for a long while. Lo and behold, the 99s actually felt slower in a concrete bowl, plus my feet started to hurt a lot faster on flatground. Switched back to the 97s in a jiffy.

I guess we're all different.

I totally get that someone might want to dwell more in that middle ground area. I agree with this/your statement, "They're fast, slide good, don't stick and handle crust adequately." And I totally get that they might be softer on the feet, too. If that is where someone is at, then absolutely, 97a might be a really good (great) wheel choice. I just want a better crust-buster (in a crusty setting) and faster in smoother settings. It's more just a matter of what criteria your judging on.   
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8079 on: December 25, 2025, 01:15:51 AM »
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Longer term follow-up on the new 97a formula...

I find them to be a No Man's Land between 93a and 99a: They are the "worst of both, and the best of neither." By this, I mean that they do not have nearly the crust-busting abilities of 93a, but also do not have the speed, slide, and rebound of 99a. All the positive, defining, great things of the 93s and the 99a are compromised in the 97a, but nothing about the 97a really shines or excels. I'll stick to a set of 93a (or 80HD) for crust situations, and 99a for everything else.
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This really shows how we're different. I'm on the polar opposite: the new duro 97s are the perfect synergy of a softer wheel and an F4 99. To me they're fast, slide good, don't stick and handle crust adequately.

The past summer I tried my old F4 99s after riding the new 97s for a long while. Lo and behold, the 99s actually felt slower in a concrete bowl, plus my feet started to hurt a lot faster on flatground. Switched back to the 97s in a jiffy.

I guess we're all different.
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I totally get that someone might want to dwell more in that middle ground area. I agree with this/your statement, "They're fast, slide good, don't stick and handle crust adequately." And I totally get that they might be softer on the feet, too. If that is where someone is at, then absolutely, 97a might be a really good (great) wheel choice. I just want a better crust-buster (in a crusty setting) and faster in smoother settings. It's more just a matter of what criteria your judging on.

You're right, if something, a true crustbuster they ain't. There are better options for that.

But for some middle-age ATV skating they've proven to be pretty awesome for yours truly.

A great Bob wheel I'd say! :D

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8080 on: December 25, 2025, 01:26:52 PM »
Does anyone know any shops that ship or sites that they can confirm have the new reformulated 97s? Trying to find a pair of those 54 conical fulls but they didn't change the graphic so I can't really gauge if they're the new ones or old stock without seeing the packaging

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8081 on: December 25, 2025, 01:57:47 PM »
http://www.35thave.com/
pretty sure @144p said their stock is new formula, probably a few pages back in this thread

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8082 on: December 25, 2025, 02:05:26 PM »
Does anyone know any shops that ship or sites that they can confirm have the new reformulated 97s? Trying to find a pair of those 54 conical fulls but they didn't change the graphic so I can't really gauge if they're the new ones or old stock without seeing the packaging
35th Ave has them, but not in CF. You could do Radial Fulls or Classics, which are confirmed to be the new ones for 54 mm in those shapes.

Seasons’ picture has the new sticker, but I’d email to confirm:
https://seasonsskateshop.com/products/spitfire-f497-conical-full

If that doesn’t work, you could reach out to Vu, DLX, 510 or 303 to confirm:
https://shoplurker.com/search?region=usa&page=1&lat=&lon=&sort=new&search=97+conical+full

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8083 on: December 26, 2025, 08:50:12 AM »
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Pics and simple video is easier rather than putting up anything else at this point, but the main thing is how to hold the grinder and the most minimal edge contact point on the wheel to get the maximum amount of rounding, vs using the face of the disc which doesn't take it down half as fast.









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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8084 on: December 26, 2025, 07:34:29 PM »
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Sorry to hijack this thread for "How to round off a wheel" but here is what I did today.

Pics and simple video is easier rather than putting up anything else at this point, but the main thing is how to hold the grinder and the most minimal edge contact point on the wheel to get the maximum amount of rounding, vs using the face of the disc which doesn't take it down half as fast.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8085 on: December 27, 2025, 04:44:27 AM »
if any of you euro pals bought the new 97s (preferably 54mm and up) and didn’t like them - hit my pm, i’ll buy them from you

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8086 on: December 28, 2025, 04:01:58 PM »
I got 97s in the new formula (radial full 54) and they felt mad weird. Definitely a little easier over cracks and rough spots but it felt like I had to push twice as much as my 99s. Hella slow. Tried a buddy's 93s same session and they felt fast and easy. Think I'm just going back to 99s for now.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8087 on: December 28, 2025, 04:51:47 PM »
I am loving my 56mm classic fulls!
Might stock up…

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8088 on: December 28, 2025, 06:22:56 PM »
anyone really enjoying huge wheels?

whenever i skate less often, i get the urge to try a very different group of pieces/parts/components etc.

currently i have my eyes on the simon bannerot 58 mm 93s

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8089 on: December 28, 2025, 06:26:34 PM »
I love 56mm to 60mm for everything except the flip of the board.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8090 on: December 28, 2025, 06:34:35 PM »
I love 56mm to 60mm for everything except the flip of the board.



mmmmm
could be a bad deal from me, because all i want to do is slow nollie flops. and why would i need big wheels for that? i don’t.
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every now and then again i get the lucky combo of deck trucks and big wheels and get some extra leverage and pop

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8091 on: January 08, 2026, 11:44:59 AM »
I accidentally ordered some spitfire classic 52mm 99a wheels, assuming they were F4 but not checking.

I’ve never skated this urethane before. Should I just skate them? (which could be for the next year). Or should I get some f4 as intended? If f4 are clearly a better ride then the cost is justified. If it’s marginal then I’ll just ride the classics.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8092 on: January 08, 2026, 11:49:34 AM »
I've mostly been skating this covered mini ramp lately and am about to go up to 58's.
Also back on 99's, just feel the best.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8093 on: January 08, 2026, 12:46:16 PM »
recently got the 58 93 rf’s. simon’s wheel. they are big. day one i was skating down a really rough street, that felt great. except there was some moisture and i had to just go straight and not even carve, because i could tell it was gonna be icy.
so mixed results im sure they will be great
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8094 on: January 08, 2026, 01:52:51 PM »
I accidentally ordered some spitfire classic 52mm 99a wheels, assuming they were F4 but not checking.

I’ve never skated this urethane before. Should I just skate them? (which could be for the next year). Or should I get some f4 as intended? If f4 are clearly a better ride then the cost is justified. If it’s marginal then I’ll just ride the classics.

Non F4 formula wheels always tended to flatspot pretty quick in my prior experience. Use at your own risk. They'll get the job done, I'm sure, but F4 is justified in its cost over non F4 wheels: longevity/lack of flat spotting mostly.

Many people still like skating classic formula so they're not bad wheels by today's standards
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8095 on: January 08, 2026, 02:41:13 PM »
Ordered myself a set of 56mm radial fulls in a 97a. Hoping these wheels will make it easier to keep up with my daughter while she goes on bike rides. 53mm ricta speed rings wides weren’t bad and I had tried 52mm 92a ricta clouds and those were cool but i hated the deadened pop.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8096 on: January 09, 2026, 02:20:25 AM »
I accidentally ordered some spitfire classic 52mm 99a wheels, assuming they were F4 but not checking.

I’ve never skated this urethane before. Should I just skate them? (which could be for the next year). Or should I get some f4 as intended? If f4 are clearly a better ride then the cost is justified. If it’s marginal then I’ll just ride the classics.

Non F4 formula wheels always tended to flatspot pretty quick in my prior experience. Use at your own risk. They'll get the job done, I'm sure, but F4 is justified in its cost over non F4 wheels: longevity/lack of flat spotting mostly.

Many people still like skating classic formula so they're not bad wheels by today's standards


I could be polite, or I could be blunt and very honest regarding the old formula Spitfire wheels.

Quite simply some people, even some pros still prefer the old formula maybe because that is what they know or for how white the wheels are from new (compared to the more natural urethane colour of Formula Four), but in general, most people say they suck and hate them, so you have two sides right away.  Compare that to the amount of positive feedback for Formula Four and it is absolutely a much better quality wheel and will usually skate the same from the first minute you roll on your board, through every single day and last a good amount of time.

The original Spitfire wheels on the other had were always a little more funny - if they were the bright white wheels, they often felt softer, would wear faster and unevenly and would flatspot very easily too, which made them just another wheel in the market for many average wheels.  If they were older, a little yellowed or had time to age somewhere like in a skate shop cabinet under fluro lights for a while, then they would usually skate way better and once past the wear in period - getting the lines off them and skating them in nicely, then they were excellent wheels and held up really well for me.

I had a board come in as a trade recently that had a set of original Classic 53 mm wheels, pretty much still brand new with tread / lines.  A couple of people had a go on it and one flatspotted the wheels in the first few runs, from landing sideways and slipping out.  I was able to wear them down enough to take the flatspot out, but they were still a bit funny feeling and a touch slower than Formula Four wheels in the same size.


Long story short, if you haven't opened them, I would recommend returning them for any version of Formula Four wheels instead.  They are absolutely worth it.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8097 on: January 09, 2026, 02:21:26 AM »
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I accidentally ordered some spitfire classic 52mm 99a wheels, assuming they were F4 but not checking.

I’ve never skated this urethane before. Should I just skate them? (which could be for the next year). Or should I get some f4 as intended? If f4 are clearly a better ride then the cost is justified. If it’s marginal then I’ll just ride the classics.
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Non F4 formula wheels always tended to flatspot pretty quick in my prior experience. Use at your own risk. They'll get the job done, I'm sure, but F4 is justified in its cost over non F4 wheels: longevity/lack of flat spotting mostly.

Many people still like skating classic formula so they're not bad wheels by today's standards
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8098 on: January 09, 2026, 02:36:46 AM »
I would disagree. If u haven’t skated classic formula try it, but don’t power slide them or revert them hard at all until the treads come off. As mbrimson said the classics are great once they yellow a bit and are worn down some. My favorite wheel for a few years were the 60mm classic formula (which is pretty much the og classic shape) and especially once they wear down to like 56 they are amazing. And the wheel does seem to firm up (or kinda feel like it) of course tho right out of the box f4s are better but u just learn to break in the classic formula and they are pretty damn good

I’ve had sets of classic formulas I’ve never flatspotted and I have a heavy revert back 180

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #8099 on: January 09, 2026, 06:40:43 AM »
I'm aware I could search all the wheel thread's, but I have a question that likely has been asked every so often around here.

How often are you guys changing out sets? I'd imagine it depends on how often you're skating and preferences but to put it in perspective:

I got my first pair of F4's (og classics) in October, and they are down to a 53mm from 56mm when I bought them. I love them, I'm excited to maybe try a different shape, and possibly a 97a from the 99a I currently ride. However, my buddy thinks I'm fiending too hard haha.

We skate maybe two-three times a week, skating a parking lot with red curbs and flatbars. I'm about to pull the trigger soon at my local shop, but I think I'm asking just for scope. I just got back into skating again over summer and feel like a kid again even though I'm a poor, aging grocer haha.

I'm looking at some radial fulls or maybe lock ins or run it back with the OG classics. I do a lot of curb and flatground skating and at 37 don't really look at doing a lot of skating with impact and rarely skate transistion though, it's a likelihood this year. Started working out back in September, so I feel better than other 37yo likely, but the idea of softer wheels sounds nice ;)
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