I've always seen vans as more of a "fashion over function" type shoe brand. Yeah they've got a few solid models, but the ones most worn by skaters (era's, slip-ons, etc) don't even seem o be made for skating. Other than overated boardfeel, their durability is sub-par & they really don't protect your feet at all. Most skateboarders see to give Vans a pass for everything tho so whatever