Wheels Thread

[onkalo]

Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.

[Xen]

Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.

I'm going to say no, only due to when  I rode them, they felt nothing like the generic, non-sliding, overly white and grippy thane that usually comes out of there..they actually feel pretty close to F4s, like 85% of the way there..

I found nothing wrong with them other than feeling a little slow in a smooth park setting, but I'm one of those freaks that likes the hardest wheel possible on smooth concrete.

[LebowskisRug]

Quasi claims they “stole the formul” whatever that means. I’m not sure why they would get into the whee game if they were just using Creative. No real incentive since most of their pros are sponsored by Spitfire and would be going to an inferior product.

[Mbrimson88]

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Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.

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I'm going to say no, only due to when  I rode them, they felt nothing like the generic, non-sliding, overly white and grippy thane that usually comes out of there..they actually feel pretty close to F4s, like 85% of the way there..

I found nothing wrong with them other than feeling a little slow in a smooth park setting, but I'm one of those freaks that likes the hardest wheel possible on smooth concrete.

Hitting the search with WAYWARD in the box comes up with some interesting info, as well as conversations from us and many others.



@onkalo   Curious as to why you didn't want / like the Wayward wheels?


I always come back to the "They are not Spitfire or Bones..." so everything else is put in the "other" category for me, even though I have a lot of different brands of wheels still set up on boards, but was there anything specific about your experience with them?

[onkalo]

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Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.

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I'm going to say no, only due to when  I rode them, they felt nothing like the generic, non-sliding, overly white and grippy thane that usually comes out of there..they actually feel pretty close to F4s, like 85% of the way there..

I found nothing wrong with them other than feeling a little slow in a smooth park setting, but I'm one of those freaks that likes the hardest wheel possible on smooth concrete.

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Hitting the search with WAYWARD in the box comes up with some interesting info, as well as conversations from us and many others.



@onkalo   Curious as to why you didn't want / like the Wayward wheels?


I always come back to the "They are not Spitfire or Bones..." so everything else is put in the "other" category for me, even though I have a lot of different brands of wheels still set up on boards, but was there anything specific about your experience with them?

I didn’t like them because they felt really slow, super hard and they didn’t slide. Then I did a high speed 2 meters long powerslide and they flatted. I had 101a funnel cut 50mm’s. They were some of the older ones and I bought them off discount. Now I’m on Bones 100’s and they feel way better (than the Waywards), and I still like them after skating F4’s.

[Mbrimson88]

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I always come back to the "They are not Spitfire or Bones..." so everything else is put in the "other" category for me, even though I have a lot of different brands of wheels still set up on boards, but was there anything specific about your experience with them?

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I didn’t like them because they felt really slow, super hard and they didn’t slide. Then I did a high speed 2 meters long powerslide and they flatted. I had 101a funnel cut 50mm’s. They were some of the older ones and I bought them off discount. Now I’m on Bones 100’s and they feel way better (than the Waywards), and I still like them after skating F4’s.

Thanks for the reply.

Yes now you mention the lack of slide factor, I think I recall them feeling very sticky even though they were a hard wheel.


So many people will ride Bones or Spitfire but not touch anything else any more, so it is just one of those things.

I guess for those that have access to them, they often get NFG / Loophole wheels too, just to throw another one in the mix.

[switchfrontshuv]

lowkey bones 100s be hitting on smooth asphalt/LA school kinda ground. They dont really flatspot unless ur on super sandpapery surfaces and they feel really smooth in the wider shapes (light-footed powersliding feels kinda like sliding around on ice cubes in my experience, not really like spitfire where it barks a little bit)

they do definitely feel slower in the smaller sizes and they only make up till 55mm so

[LebowskisRug]

Do Loopholes still have the vanity sizing where they measure smaller? Considering a set and no shops have them in stock and last time my 52 were like 50.4 outta the box.

[Mbrimson88]

Do Loopholes still have the vanity sizing where they measure smaller? Considering a set and no shops have them in stock and last time my 52 were like 50.4 outta the box.

I think people on here (or even the person looking after their instagram account) had said their previous quality control issues had been rectified and things were looking a lot more professional now, in so many words.

Not sure if they still have the special sale on that was shown on the sale thread and elsewhere, but it would be a good time to get them, if you were within the US or at least within a reasonable shipping distance.


Still yet to see or try any, but I have way too many other wheels and being in AU, I cannot justify paying close to AU RRP for something that I really don't need.

[Frank and Fred]

Do Loopholes still have the vanity sizing where they measure smaller? Considering a set and no shops have them in stock and last time my 52 were like 50.4 outta the box.

got some 54s over the holidays that are smaller than some worn down F4 54s I have but I did not measure properly.

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Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.

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I'm going to say no, only due to when  I rode them, they felt nothing like the generic, non-sliding, overly white and grippy thane that usually comes out of there..they actually feel pretty close to F4s, like 85% of the way there..

I found nothing wrong with them other than feeling a little slow in a smooth park setting, but I'm one of those freaks that likes the hardest wheel possible on smooth concrete.

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Hitting the search with WAYWARD in the box comes up with some interesting info, as well as conversations from us and many others.



@onkalo   Curious as to why you didn't want / like the Wayward wheels?


I always come back to the "They are not Spitfire or Bones..." so everything else is put in the "other" category for me, even though I have a lot of different brands of wheels still set up on boards, but was there anything specific about your experience with them?

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I didn’t like them because they felt really slow, super hard and they didn’t slide. Then I did a high speed 2 meters long powerslide and they flatted. I had 101a funnel cut 50mm’s. They were some of the older ones and I bought them off discount. Now I’m on Bones 100’s and they feel way better (than the Waywards), and I still like them after skating F4’s.

had wayward once and tried to speed check at the park and almost ate shit cause they didn't let me power slide. took em right off and gave em to a little local for free.

[realbasedgod112]

this might be more of a bearing than a wheel question, but oh well .

has anyone else had bearings just fall out of the wheel? not like blowing out when it falls apart, just being super loose and going in/out with no effort at all.
it just started happening to me yesterday, i'm thinking it might be a problem with my wheel size as they're getting to <50mm. it was fairly warm (25c) yesterday if that helps.

[jrb32]

Anyone know any skinny/slim wheels similar to the bones v3 in a 50-51mm? Been using the v3 shape for years now, but they havent been making any 101-103a wheels the last year or so in 50mm Only 99a. The satori super slim wheels look similar, also interested in the crupie skinny wheels might be the same width, cant find any specs on them though for widths. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Mbrimson88]

this might be more of a bearing than a wheel question, but oh well .

has anyone else had bearings just fall out of the wheel? not like blowing out when it falls apart, just being super loose and going in/out with no effort at all.
it just started happening to me yesterday, i'm thinking it might be a problem with my wheel size as they're getting to <50mm. it was fairly warm (25c) yesterday if that helps.

Definitely a wheel issue, not a bearing issue.

Some wheels do tend to blow out or loosen up too much in the bearing seats, while others are so tight it is an absolute pain to get bearings in or out, even with lube.

If bearings are coming loose, you can either try to keep washers, bearing spacers and everything almost as tight as they can be which should hold your wheels in a little better, or if it is bugging you too much, replace the wheels.  Some people have tried to wedge things in there with the bearings, but that often doesn't work as the wheels are urethane (like rubber) and will change shape as pushed, so jamming something else in there will only widen out the bearing seat more.

I had a set that after doing something that put pressure on the wheel, like a smith grind, the bearings would seem to stop spinning, so after each run I had to push the wheel back onto the bearings to make sure it was rolling smoothly again.  That got old very quickly, so as I wasn't about to NOT do certain tricks, I swapped the wheels out.

If it is just one wheel and keeps happening in a certain position or as I had, with certain tricks, you could rotate the wheels to see if that helps too, but most likely when something like this happens, there is not a whole lot you can do about it.

Having some crusty old rusted outers on one set of bearings did help with one set of wheels like that, as the rust expanded and stayed in the wheel, but I would not be creating a rusty bearing situation just to have the wheel sit better on the bearings.

[deedohh]

I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.

[Cthunderw]

I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.

56 Classics are 👌

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

58s are big, 56s are a tonne of fun!

[switchfrontshuv]

Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?
 

[braksabbath]

NFG 56mm Vee factory seconds. Measures consistently 55mm on all sides of each on low quality calipers. Shape compared to a 56mm Spit conical full. Makes ya wonder if other manufacturers melt down the duds to reuse or they go to a landfill.


I’ve used a dremel for wheel wells on a few boards and it sucks every time. Messy, loud, weird angles, takes 10 of the disposable sander wheels cuz they blow out so quick. Cheap woodcarving chisel kit from Harbor Freight and a hammer is way better.

[tzhangdox]

NFG 56mm Vee factory seconds. Measures consistently 55mm on all sides of each on low quality calipers. Shape compared to a 56mm Spit conical full. Makes ya wonder if other manufacturers melt down the duds to reuse or they go to a landfill.

I believe the spitfire 51mm lil smokies f4 tablets are cut from bigger wheels that ended up being duds

[goodatmeth]

Never tried wayward wheels before so I can't say anything about their harder wheels, but I got these for a cruiser and these are the absolute worst wheels I have ever tried. Even on rougher ground they're slower than any small hard wheels, they stick to the ground. You push and immediately feel it slowing down. Feels like your bearings are fucked.
0/10 do not recommend

[Xen]

Anyone know any skinny/slim wheels similar to the bones v3 in a 50-51mm? Been using the v3 shape for years now, but they havent been making any 101-103a wheels the last year or so in 50mm Only 99a. The satori super slim wheels look similar, also interested in the crupie skinny wheels might be the same width, cant find any specs on them though for widths. &#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#129335;&#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#127995;‍♂️

@jrb32 Do you want to stay with that 'classic' style shape it has (basically a skinny V1), rounded sidewall?

Satori is a good bet, very close, but I'd argue that the STF formula is better.

Check out Ricta (I know unpopular brand) but they have a slim natural and a super slim (nyguls wheel) that are great shapes.

Nigel's wheels is a fucking conical slim and I love the shape; I've ridden them off an on for a while with no flatspot issues at all. The 101As are fast and hard as fuck, like SPFs...99a from ricta are more on par with 99s from other brands tho,


Nyjahls super slim


Here's a link to an older post, shows the V2/Nighgel/V3 https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3384533#msg3384533

The Natural Slim is more of a V1 shape...but they have a variety of shapes based on size.
https://rictawheels.com/wheels#naturals

[Mbrimson88]

I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.

The sizes you might be looking at besides the Classic 53 are the Classic / Conical Full 54 or Classic 56 so if you wanted something that is a bit more of a get it right now, the 54 mm would probably be best, but if you can deal with a little bit bigger, which will last longer but might be a bit funny at first, then 56 mm is the size to get.

They come out in Classic and Conical Full, so for some the Classic 56 or the Conical Full 54 are going to be more of interest.  Oddly enough I have both those sizes and the 54 mm are a little more comfortable right now for small stuff for me, with the 56 mm Classics on a park / ramp setup more than anything else.

Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?

More often than not people are never exactly straight on (especially on K grinds among others), but even if you are, the rounder edge will grip a whole lot less in a very small point of contact on the wheel, whereas the squared off edge type wheels will grip a whole lot more on much more of the wheel, if that makes sense.

We tried it with three different shapes of wheel on the same spot and the squared off wheels ended up having to use a lot more wax than the rounder profile.  Also the squared off wheel ended up with a lot more wax on the side of the wheel too as a result, almost like it had a built in scraper, which was funny to see.

[Mbrimson88]

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NFG 56mm Vee factory seconds. Measures consistently 55mm on all sides of each on low quality calipers. Shape compared to a 56mm Spit conical full. Makes ya wonder if other manufacturers melt down the duds to reuse or they go to a landfill.

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I believe the spitfire 51mm lil smokies f4 tablets are cut from bigger wheels that ended up being duds

Never knew that, but it makes sense to recycle wheels in house, shaping them down as something else, compared to some of the "special deals on blank seconds" I know some people used to get from some places, long before all the fake wheels came around, so you kind of knew where they were from but couldn't say, but they still skated great when you could get them and they cost half the price.  As far as I know those sources dried up a while back and I have only seen questionable listings for blank pro brand wheels more recently, that I don't trust now anyway.

I guess too that some places like NFG will have a few more seconds being a smaller startup than some of the bigger places that have automated machines and trained people running the show.  At least they are still wheels that still skate for the most part how they should, even if they are a bit smaller than advertised or have cosmetic blemish issues.

[Xen]

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I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.

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The sizes you might be looking at besides the Classic 53 are the Classic / Conical Full 54 or Classic 56 so if you wanted something that is a bit more of a get it right now, the 54 mm would probably be best, but if you can deal with a little bit bigger, which will last longer but might be a bit funny at first, then 56 mm is the size to get.

They come out in Classic and Conical Full, so for some the Classic 56 or the Conical Full 54 are going to be more of interest.  Oddly enough I have both those sizes and the 54 mm are a little more comfortable right now for small stuff for me, with the 56 mm Classics on a park / ramp setup more than anything else.

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Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?

[close]

More often than not people are never exactly straight on (especially on K grinds among others), but even if you are, the rounder edge will grip a whole lot less in a very small point of contact on the wheel, whereas the squared off edge type wheels will grip a whole lot more on much more of the wheel, if that makes sense.

We tried it with three different shapes of wheel on the same spot and the squared off wheels ended up having to use a lot more wax than the rounder profile.  Also the squared off wheel ended up with a lot more wax on the side of the wheel too as a result, almost like it had a built in scraper, which was funny to see.

Round =  easier to get into
Square = bit more effort to slide
Round = easier to slip out of
Square = locks in better

Bones V5 best of bones worlds

I actually prefer squared off on smaller trucks and rounder on wider trucks.

[bombsaway86]

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I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.

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The sizes you might be looking at besides the Classic 53 are the Classic / Conical Full 54 or Classic 56 so if you wanted something that is a bit more of a get it right now, the 54 mm would probably be best, but if you can deal with a little bit bigger, which will last longer but might be a bit funny at first, then 56 mm is the size to get.

They come out in Classic and Conical Full, so for some the Classic 56 or the Conical Full 54 are going to be more of interest.  Oddly enough I have both those sizes and the 54 mm are a little more comfortable right now for small stuff for me, with the 56 mm Classics on a park / ramp setup more than anything else.

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Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?

[close]

More often than not people are never exactly straight on (especially on K grinds among others), but even if you are, the rounder edge will grip a whole lot less in a very small point of contact on the wheel, whereas the squared off edge type wheels will grip a whole lot more on much more of the wheel, if that makes sense.

We tried it with three different shapes of wheel on the same spot and the squared off wheels ended up having to use a lot more wax than the rounder profile.  Also the squared off wheel ended up with a lot more wax on the side of the wheel too as a result, almost like it had a built in scraper, which was funny to see.

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Round =  easier to get into
Square = bit more effort to slide
Round = easier to slip out of
Square = locks in better

Bones V5 best of bones worlds

I actually prefer squared off on smaller trucks and rounder on wider trucks.

I wish spitfire would just rip off the p5/v5 shape already

[manysnakes]

Quasi claims they “stole the formul” whatever that means. I’m not sure why they would get into the whee game if they were just using Creative. No real incentive since most of their pros are sponsored by Spitfire and would be going to an inferior product.

I think the incentive is that they have a popular brand and their own distribution, and if they can buy wheels for $5/set and sell them to stores for $14/set, that's a good return on their investment.

[nekro]

Can anyone recommend a set of soft cruiser wheels that also slide?  I feel uncomfortable bombing downhill knowing my wheels will grip.  I'm using OJ 87a skate jawn keyyframes.

[yourbreakfsat]

Can anyone recommend a set of soft cruiser wheels that also slide?  I feel uncomfortable bombing downhill knowing my wheels will grip.  I'm using OJ 87a skate jawn keyyframes.

Powell Peralta G-Slides





I like my set. They're decently easy to slide once you get used to how they feel.

[TwisT]

Anyone know any skinny/slim wheels similar to the bones v3 in a 50-51mm? Been using the v3 shape for years now, but they havent been making any 101-103a wheels the last year or so in 50mm Only 99a. The satori super slim wheels look similar, also interested in the crupie skinny wheels might be the same width, cant find any specs on them though for widths. &#129335;&#127995;‍♂️

So, Id say no for the crupies. They flat spotted fast. I don't mind when a wheel flats, but I hit a rock and the wheel was done. Flat tire, unusable.


I did enjoy my time on the satori. Out of all the wheels they really have the slimmest. The 101a still feel pretty soft though.

primitive makes a 50mm and 51mm 101a. They're always online for cheap. I'm actually thinking of giving a pair of 53mm a try.