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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6720 on: August 15, 2023, 03:46:25 PM »
I have two sessions on my 93a Dragons and damn…I like them. The curb spot is great and I even rolled around the park with them…they seemed okay to me. I actually like the slide they have. I’ve never been this stoked on new wheels…till now. The last pair of Powell wheels I had crumbled early, so I hope that is not the case here. These shits were like $50 after tax!
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« Reply #6721 on: August 15, 2023, 11:01:00 PM »
Re: wheel shapes and Bones -- y'all gotta keep in mind that "wide" is a highly relative term when it comes to Bones. E.g. the V4 Wide shape is in reality pretty slim in today's standards, especially when compared to the F4 shapes.

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« Reply #6722 on: August 16, 2023, 05:57:52 AM »
Gonna be hard to resist that AA wheel when it comes out, depending how x97 feels to me might finally have the elusive “one” wheel for all there.

Got them.

These wheels are just about perfect for a real wide bord (9.5) I’d tried a few offset type wheels before this… performance varied in a lot of ways. Briefly tried Dragon Rat Bones too but 60mm was a bit tanky, 52mm is far nimbler.

I wouldn’t actually have complained if the AA wheels had been in the 93a formula…. now I’ve ridden both, feel like the softer ones are more pleasingly “old school” but it’s not a deal breaker.

I’ve not tested them on wood ramps fully yet but they seemed to grip enough, just wasn’t warmed up enough to push it (I’d prefer grip here… some 97s I’ve tried were still surprisingly icy).

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« Reply #6723 on: August 16, 2023, 06:04:06 AM »
Funny though for all the deserved Powell hype….

I’m still extremely happy with Conical Full F4 97s everywhere else (if park, go to 101s)

Hope they don’t go out of production… these are getting ridden to the bearings.

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« Reply #6724 on: August 16, 2023, 07:40:44 AM »
Does anyone know if they're planning nano cubics in other sizes? Would love some 56's for my 10" Lucero cross.

I'm really enjoying the X97's, glad I gave them another chance. Going to keep them on my main setup. Fast, smooth, predictable, and definitely more grip than F4's. Starting to dig how they're a bit quieter (must be getting old).

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« Reply #6725 on: August 16, 2023, 08:11:19 AM »
Does anyone know if they're planning nano cubics in other sizes? Would love some 56's for my 10" Lucero cross.

I'm really enjoying the X97's, glad I gave them another chance. Going to keep them on my main setup. Fast, smooth, predictable, and definitely more grip than F4's. Starting to dig how they're a bit quieter (must be getting old).

Very similar feelings about the X97, and for me too it took a couple of sessions to realize how great they are. Funnily enough first impression wasn't amazing, but now that I've skated them more they are definitely keepers. Frankly prefer them over Dragons at the moment.

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« Reply #6726 on: August 16, 2023, 08:35:53 AM »
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Does anyone know if they're planning nano cubics in other sizes? Would love some 56's for my 10" Lucero cross.

I'm really enjoying the X97's, glad I gave them another chance. Going to keep them on my main setup. Fast, smooth, predictable, and definitely more grip than F4's. Starting to dig how they're a bit quieter (must be getting old).
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Very similar feelings about the X97, and for me too it took a couple of sessions to realize how great they are. Funnily enough first impression wasn't amazing, but now that I've skated them more they are definitely keepers. Frankly prefer them over Dragons at the moment.

Agreed, they don't give up much to the Dragons for smoothness, and are faster and livelier (if that's a thing).

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« Reply #6727 on: August 16, 2023, 09:31:13 AM »
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Does anyone know if they're planning nano cubics in other sizes? Would love some 56's for my 10" Lucero cross.

I'm really enjoying the X97's, glad I gave them another chance. Going to keep them on my main setup. Fast, smooth, predictable, and definitely more grip than F4's. Starting to dig how they're a bit quieter (must be getting old).
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Very similar feelings about the X97, and for me too it took a couple of sessions to realize how great they are. Funnily enough first impression wasn't amazing, but now that I've skated them more they are definitely keepers. Frankly prefer them over Dragons at the moment.
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Agreed, they don't give up much to the Dragons for smoothness, and are faster and livelier (if that's a thing).

Definitely a thing. I keep saying to people that they feel more like a "real" wheel whereas Dragons are (although amazing) more of an anomaly, really. A good one at that, but still one that ultimately feels a bit weird.

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« Reply #6728 on: August 16, 2023, 06:20:58 PM »
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The 99a easy streets is one of my favorite wheels of all time, I really liked the way they felt and am bummed they're gone. They were a different formula from the old STFs and for sure different than the crappy, off white 99a STF that's out there now (which as noted above feel dead); When Bones decided to go brown (dirty birds...man let's hope that intern got let go for that naming convention) to compete with spitatos, they fucked their whole line, including the regular (now softer feeling) 103a STF, which now feel like OLD 99a STFs to me. The old 103a STFs (white or colors) were so damn hard.

x99s are totally different in terms of rebound/absorption in comparison; the easy streets were still a 'hard wheel' by today's standards, the x99s, while they perform like a hard wheel, they just don't feel like one, and take some getting used to as the 'feedback' we're all used to from our wheels is different with them.

x99s are as close as you are going to get to a spit 99a/old easy street 99a, with very little sacrifice, especially if you desire a soft feeling wheel for crust.

Thanks for the reply. I remember looking into getting some more easy streets before the x formula was revealed and being confused that I couldn't find them anywhere, despite them being what I thought was bones' most recent flagship formula. I also agree that the dirty birds looked disgusting and had a stupid name. I like my wheels to have a super synthetic white color, closer to a blue or translucent tint rather than yellow.

Sounds like I'll be checking out the x99s in the future. I measured my easy streets when swapping my trucks recently and they were 45mm. Still have some life though 8)

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« Reply #6729 on: August 16, 2023, 07:54:54 PM »
The x99s, while not bleach white, do have that blue white translucency about that. They're even whiter than new, regular STF 103s.

Whitest wheels out are snot or Ricta. They're white white.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6730 on: August 17, 2023, 06:37:48 AM »
What is the most optimal way to rotate your wheels?

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« Reply #6731 on: August 17, 2023, 07:13:07 AM »
What is the most optimal way to rotate your wheels?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6732 on: August 17, 2023, 07:40:59 AM »

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6733 on: August 17, 2023, 05:04:27 PM »
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What is the most optimal way to rotate your wheels?
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@Mbrimson88 posted about it a few days ago

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120185.msg4066367#msg4066367


Yeah thanks!

Putting it here in this thread at least for anyone else:


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Ok so, I feel really stupid even asking this, but with Spitifire's lock in shape, it means you can't rotate your wheels to get more life out of them right? Or just a different riding experience?
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you're not gonna cone F4's. you can move them front to back, right side, left side, ect, ect... and that will even out any wheel size differences, there's no need to flip F4's inside out.


It comes down to how someone skates.

I just got a set of F4 back from someone who had never rotated them, so the starting 56 mm, now 55 (front heel) 54 and solidly coned (front toe) 52 (back heel) and 51 slightly coned (back toe) I was just wondering what the person was doing for however long they had them to wear like that, but most people who do rotate wheels never have those sort of end results.

Front toe and back toe to some degree wear more on the outside edge, front heel not much at all, back heel wears more on the inside edge, so as said, rotating them in various ways usually keeps any issues from coming up too much, more so front toe to back heel, back toe to front heel, then to back heel if needed.

Any asymmetrical shaped wheel can have issues though, especially if you don't want to ever flip them over and skate them inwards, but I haven't seen the new ones to see if they are center set or offset in the bearing seat.  If they are center set, then it is not such a big deal to flip them over, but if offset, then you are going to have some very different experiences skating them graphics out or graphics in.


I'm lost when it comes to wheel shapes, but my question is with something like a conical, can you skate them flipped? I've always skated classics mainly, to the best of my memory, and have always put the graphics inward, just as a habit probably from watching pros do it. Can I still do that with a shaped wheel or does that defeat the purpose? Thanks pals


Almost every other shape on the market is symmetrical, so it doesn't matter if you ride them graphics in or out and a lot of people flip them with odd wear patterns too, so some will be in and some out on the same board.  A "cool way" to do it for a lot of people was three in and one out, not that I have ever been into the cool way to do things, but I think they always had the back heel out so they wouldn't have to look at the graphic but still showed what wheel they were on, or something like that.

For those that remove graphics, it makes it easier to ride them any which way you like, but more often than not, graphics in was the more simple and clean look from the 90s right through to the present.



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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6734 on: August 17, 2023, 09:21:02 PM »
Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6735 on: August 17, 2023, 11:24:04 PM »
Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.

I would try the Radials. They're wider than the Classics but not too conical-shaped. In my opinion they're a very good all-around wheel.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6736 on: August 18, 2023, 08:59:15 AM »
I think it's time to try some Dragons finally. My super juice minis just got a huge chunk out of them riding downhill. Luckily nothing happened. I've barely ridden these 20hrs total and only cruising, no tricks at all. I'm kinda over the OJs now since I've had two sets to go unskateable in short time.  Dragons seem like good choice for my next wheel since I'm looking for an all-round wheel. I'm considering getting the rat bones shape...

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6737 on: August 18, 2023, 02:16:01 PM »
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Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.
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I would try the Radials. They're wider than the Classics but not too conical-shaped. In my opinion they're a very good all-around wheel.

Vouching for radial fulls

I'm a big fan of the Elite 101s, love the shape and they feel super fun and wild on the super smooth crete at the newest park in town. The shape did have some quirks that made certain moves harder, as was mentioned.

 I picked up 56mm Radial Fulls 97a and they're my favorite wheel all around (probably will get 54mm next time). I'm terrified of pivot fakie, but they lock-in and out of similar tricks beautifully (hurricanes, nosepicks), whereas I couldn't get these moves consistent on the hardline shape.

They definitely feel pretty bulky though
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6738 on: August 18, 2023, 04:14:35 PM »
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Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.
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I would try the Radials. They're wider than the Classics but not too conical-shaped. In my opinion they're a very good all-around wheel.
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Vouching for radial fulls

I'm a big fan of the Elite 101s, love the shape and they feel super fun and wild on the super smooth crete at the newest park in town. The shape did have some quirks that made certain moves harder, as was mentioned.

 I picked up 56mm Radial Fulls 97a and they're my favorite wheel all around (probably will get 54mm next time). I'm terrified of pivot fakie, but they lock-in and out of similar tricks beautifully (hurricanes, nosepicks), whereas I couldn't get these moves consistent on the hardline shape.

They definitely feel pretty bulky though


What size / width trucks are you both using?

* Mamba 149s (same as me) I see from previous posts.


I put Radial Full 58 and then 54 mm sizes on my 149s and both just felt too wide for the trucks, but they work a lot better on wider trucks, maybe more so just the overall proportions look more normal to me.  That is funny too considering I prefer bigger and wider wheels in general, but it messed with my timing and placement when I would go to lock into any grinds, even the smaller 54 mm width still being 38 mm wide, compared to most others which are around 34 mm wide in the same 54 mm diameter.


The Radials (normal ones that is) are pretty much the middle ground between Classic shapes and any of the wider more bulky wheels, so I can easily ride the 54, 55 or even 56 mm sizes on smaller boards without feeling like they are too wide for the overall setup, be it on 149s or smaller like 144 or 139 widths too.

I would usually have the nicely worn in 56 mm or worn down 58 mm Classics on my usual boards, as well as the Classic Full shaped wheels, but as they are not available take those out of the equation for now, but the 54 mm Classic Full is a really comfortable wheel right from go for me.

For any of the wider profile wheels, I have to round off the edges a bit more with an angle grinder just to make them feel more "normal" for me, also more transition based, so finding something with a locking in effect is actually not at all what I want, even though a wider surface area works well for me.  Unless you have wheels you don't want or don't mind messing up a few, I wouldn't recommend taking a grinder to them, but I know other people who have and they have worked out well, once they got the hang of it.


It comes down to personal preference really, so if you lke the sharper edge, over the rounder edge or vice versa, I would be sticking with certain shapes that go along with that wheel profile, more so than trying to slog through sets of wheels that just don't work for you.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6739 on: August 19, 2023, 03:45:08 AM »
I think it's time to try some Dragons finally. My super juice minis just got a huge chunk out of them riding downhill. Luckily nothing happened. I've barely ridden these 20hrs total and only cruising, no tricks at all. I'm kinda over the OJs now since I've had two sets to go unskateable in short time.  Dragons seem like good choice for my next wheel since I'm looking for an all-round wheel. I'm considering getting the rat bones shape...

It depends on what you want. I jumped on the Dragon train (I have the 55mm V4 shape) and agree there is nothing even close in terms of all-around performance. There is definitely some clever shit in those wheels. As many have said, they slide almost as well as hard wheels and grip almost like soft wheels. They still roll well on rough terrain too. But they don't really feel or sound that soft if that makes sense, and that's both positive and negative. I was previously riding Ricta Clouds (92A) and those are much softer feeling/quieter, there's less feedback through the board and while they might not be any faster on shitty ground than the Dragons, they make it feel smoother and more relaxed. The same is true of the OJs (85a, I think) I had before that. For reference, I'm mostly skating in the mountains in Switzerland, there are lots of cobblestones, bad concrete, death cracks, etc.

I do wish there was a softer version of Dragon Formula that kept some of the slide but maybe 85a or something like that.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6740 on: August 19, 2023, 04:21:14 AM »
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I think it's time to try some Dragons finally. My super juice minis just got a huge chunk out of them riding downhill. Luckily nothing happened. I've barely ridden these 20hrs total and only cruising, no tricks at all. I'm kinda over the OJs now since I've had two sets to go unskateable in short time.  Dragons seem like good choice for my next wheel since I'm looking for an all-round wheel. I'm considering getting the rat bones shape...
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It depends on what you want. I jumped on the Dragon train (I have the 55mm V4 shape) and agree there is nothing even close in terms of all-around performance. There is definitely some clever shit in those wheels. As many have said, they slide almost as well as hard wheels and grip almost like soft wheels. They still roll well on rough terrain too. But they don't really feel or sound that soft if that makes sense, and that's both positive and negative. I was previously riding Ricta Clouds (92A) and those are much softer feeling/quieter, there's less feedback through the board and while they might not be any faster on shitty ground than the Dragons, they make it feel smoother and more relaxed. The same is true of the OJs (85a, I think) I had before that. For reference, I'm mostly skating in the mountains in Switzerland, there are lots of cobblestones, bad concrete, death cracks, etc.

I do wish there was a softer version of Dragon Formula that kept some of the slide but maybe 85a or something like that.

Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6741 on: August 19, 2023, 05:10:29 AM »
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I think it's time to try some Dragons finally. My super juice minis just got a huge chunk out of them riding downhill. Luckily nothing happened. I've barely ridden these 20hrs total and only cruising, no tricks at all. I'm kinda over the OJs now since I've had two sets to go unskateable in short time.  Dragons seem like good choice for my next wheel since I'm looking for an all-round wheel. I'm considering getting the rat bones shape...
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It depends on what you want. I jumped on the Dragon train (I have the 55mm V4 shape) and agree there is nothing even close in terms of all-around performance. There is definitely some clever shit in those wheels. As many have said, they slide almost as well as hard wheels and grip almost like soft wheels. They still roll well on rough terrain too. But they don't really feel or sound that soft if that makes sense, and that's both positive and negative. I was previously riding Ricta Clouds (92A) and those are much softer feeling/quieter, there's less feedback through the board and while they might not be any faster on shitty ground than the Dragons, they make it feel smoother and more relaxed. The same is true of the OJs (85a, I think) I had before that. For reference, I'm mostly skating in the mountains in Switzerland, there are lots of cobblestones, bad concrete, death cracks, etc.

I do wish there was a softer version of Dragon Formula that kept some of the slide but maybe 85a or something like that.

The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6742 on: August 19, 2023, 09:06:23 AM »
Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.

Sounds like the Dragons would be perfect then. They're a genuine gamechanger for what you've described. I haven't tried the Rat Bones shape, I wouldn't want something that wide for doing tricks personally but I like regular street width wheels generally.


The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes

The G-Slides are interesting, I wish they did a regular street wheel width, but I might give them a shot regardless because the Clouds really don't want to slide (during tricks at least) in the softer duros.

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« Reply #6743 on: August 19, 2023, 10:56:57 AM »
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Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.
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Sounds like the Dragons would be perfect then. They're a genuine gamechanger for what you've described. I haven't tried the Rat Bones shape, I wouldn't want something that wide for doing tricks personally but I like regular street width wheels generally.

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The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes
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The G-Slides are interesting, I wish they did a regular street wheel width, but I might give them a shot regardless because the Clouds really don't want to slide (during tricks at least) in the softer duros.

Understandable if you're more oriented to doing tricks. I might get a slimmer shape for my other setup if I like these wider Dragons.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #6744 on: August 20, 2023, 09:38:24 AM »
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Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.
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Sounds like the Dragons would be perfect then. They're a genuine gamechanger for what you've described. I haven't tried the Rat Bones shape, I wouldn't want something that wide for doing tricks personally but I like regular street width wheels generally.

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The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes
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The G-Slides are interesting, I wish they did a regular street wheel width, but I might give them a shot regardless because the Clouds really don't want to slide (during tricks at least) in the softer duros.

Here’s some relevant info:

The Rat Bone Dragons are heavily asymmetrical. They stick out like a quarter inch past the axle nut, and they don’t cover any hanger on the inside. The V6 58mm Dragon is your best bet for a normal shaped wheel.

On rough terrain, Dragons actually break free into a slide a lot more easily than I thought they would. Just be careful if you’re going to try and use them the same as a 78-80A traditional cruiser wheel right out the gate because you’ll probably have to adjust a bit to the way they work.

G-Slides ride pretty nice and they come in the Rough Rider shape (similar to Super Juices), but I think they’re more of a downhill product so you have to be flying to really get a slide out of them. They feel pretty grippy otherwise, especially once they’re broken in.

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« Reply #6745 on: August 20, 2023, 11:07:31 AM »
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Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.
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Sounds like the Dragons would be perfect then. They're a genuine gamechanger for what you've described. I haven't tried the Rat Bones shape, I wouldn't want something that wide for doing tricks personally but I like regular street width wheels generally.

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The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes
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The G-Slides are interesting, I wish they did a regular street wheel width, but I might give them a shot regardless because the Clouds really don't want to slide (during tricks at least) in the softer duros.
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Here’s some relevant info:

The Rat Bone Dragons are heavily asymmetrical. They stick out like a quarter inch past the axle nut, and they don’t cover any hanger on the inside. The V6 58mm Dragon is your best bet for a normal shaped wheel.

On rough terrain, Dragons actually break free into a slide a lot more easily than I thought they would. Just be careful if you’re going to try and use them the same as a 78-80A traditional cruiser wheel right out the gate because you’ll probably have to adjust a bit to the way they work.

G-Slides ride pretty nice and they come in the Rough Rider shape (similar to Super Juices), but I think they’re more of a downhill product so you have to be flying to really get a slide out of them. They feel pretty grippy otherwise, especially once they’re broken in.

The reason I went for the Rat Bones shape is because I used to run a cruiser setup with trucks being 8.5 - 8.75in range and boards being at least 9 inches wide so the wider wheels with a bit of offset work great.

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« Reply #6746 on: August 20, 2023, 02:09:00 PM »
Anybody got a spare ricta cloud 92a? I lost one a while back while cruising on Tensors atgs. Rethreaded the axle thinking it was fixed and boom just lost 1 Dragon again.

I think its about time I give those ass trucks away

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« Reply #6747 on: August 20, 2023, 04:51:24 PM »
Anybody got a spare ricta cloud 92a? I lost one a while back while cruising on Tensors atgs. Rethreaded the axle thinking it was fixed and boom just lost 1 Dragon again.

I think its about time I give those ass trucks away


Is it not just replacing the axle nuts, more than anything?  If any nut has lost the nyloc connection that keeps it nice and tight without needing anything else, it will definitely come loose very easily.  New nuts stay on (usually) even on very messed up axles, after rethreading or whatever, I would usually put new nuts on if the axles or the old nuts were very messed up.

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« Reply #6748 on: August 20, 2023, 05:16:41 PM »
I did swap it out because I lost it. It's only ever happened on these trucks so I'd rather cut my losses. It's shit.

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« Reply #6749 on: August 22, 2023, 05:03:34 PM »
how do I rotate asymmetrical lock in Fulls?
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