Wheels Thread

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on

[gsosa]

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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on

To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain

[scab]

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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on

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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain

I've become a strict 97A F4 guy over the past 6 months or so. In my experience the 97A F4s absorbe vibrations worse than Dragons, but that also makes them feel and perform more like "normal" wheels. If you're into trying them, I'd suggest you get the largest wheels with the biggest riding surface you can get. There's a 60mm radial full version out, that would probably be the best in terms of having a nice and stable ride. If those are too preposterous, the radial fulls also come in 58 or 56mm. I think conical fulls go uo to 58mm if you want a slightly slimmer wheel.

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on

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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain

I agree with scab. 56mm+ Radial Fulls are pretty solid all-rounder on rough stuff for being a general purpose wheel. Nice riding surface, I personally love fat wheels, and they still break into slides pretty well (for being a bit softer). I run em on a hybrid cruiser/functional set-up, and they do everything in the street I need em to, minus being pretty bulky.

[jimgrude]

Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

If you want a less sticky dragon, the obvious choice is Bones x97 or x99. Same urethane, same manufacturer, just harder.

[Banned from the room]

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Spit needs a 60mm wheel besides the classic

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I'm guessing you want a 99A, but there's a 97A 60mm radial full out there: https://www.spitfirewheels.com/tfunk-savie/

Those bad boys have a 29mm contact patch.

i wanna. i just am a little scared after my Dragon slam today. I wish more than anything for a 60 or 58 og classic. Everyone i know whos tried that cant go back too. But were being forced

That ButterFly shape has always been the best shape. That and conical. You dont need 99a at that size too. 101 is better

[Banned from the room]

are those funks orange or red? i might gotta now.

[scab]

are those funks orange or red? i might gotta now.

They're red.

[OhioGuy]

Got my replacement wheels. Let’s hope these also don’t lock up. I love this shape. Hopefully it being slightly softer helps too in this cold weather. I only skate smooth tennis courts, but there’s lots of leafs and those spinner things on them lately since it’s fall.

[gsosa]

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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on

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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain

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I agree with scab. 56mm+ Radial Fulls are pretty solid all-rounder on rough stuff for being a general purpose wheel. Nice riding surface, I personally love fat wheels, and they still break into slides pretty well (for being a bit softer). I run em on a hybrid cruiser/functional set-up, and they do everything in the street I need em to, minus being pretty bulky.

Thanks a lot guys, yeah I'm sure that bit harder wheel will absorb vibrations less which is something I'm willing to sacrifice for a bit better of a slide.

Now the question here is which one do the gods prefer Bones x97 or Formula 4 97s???

[rikki]

Thanks a lot guys, yeah I'm sure that bit harder wheel will absorb vibrations less which is something I'm willing to sacrifice for a bit better of a slide.

Now the question here is which one do the gods prefer Bones x97 or Formula 4 97s???

I think the general consensus around Slap is that the Bones X97 are worth their hype and outperform the F4 97.

Haven't tried the latter myself, but I really, really like the X97. Gives me all I want from a wheel for rougher terrain and/or dusty and slippery indoor parks.

[goodatmeth]

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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on

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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain

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I agree with scab. 56mm+ Radial Fulls are pretty solid all-rounder on rough stuff for being a general purpose wheel. Nice riding surface, I personally love fat wheels, and they still break into slides pretty well (for being a bit softer). I run em on a hybrid cruiser/functional set-up, and they do everything in the street I need em to, minus being pretty bulky.

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Thanks a lot guys, yeah I'm sure that bit harder wheel will absorb vibrations less which is something I'm willing to sacrifice for a bit better of a slide.

Now the question here is which one do the gods prefer Bones x97 or Formula 4 97s???

X97 are smoother while still sliding much better. Way way better wheels. And before people get mad, yeah spitfire is better in 99a. Just not in 97a. That said, I haven't tried the X99 yet...

[OhioGuy]

I’m so confused. My new RFs started doing the same thing, then they got lose again. It’s like I had to ride them in different directions, like I ride switch using my nose as the tail.

I want to try for another pair, but I don’t have time to keep sending them back. May just swear off this shape for good 😫

[Musicaldeath107]

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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on

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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain

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I agree with scab. 56mm+ Radial Fulls are pretty solid all-rounder on rough stuff for being a general purpose wheel. Nice riding surface, I personally love fat wheels, and they still break into slides pretty well (for being a bit softer). I run em on a hybrid cruiser/functional set-up, and they do everything in the street I need em to, minus being pretty bulky.

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Thanks a lot guys, yeah I'm sure that bit harder wheel will absorb vibrations less which is something I'm willing to sacrifice for a bit better of a slide.

Now the question here is which one do the gods prefer Bones x97 or Formula 4 97s???

While I haven't tried the X97 I can say of all of those mid duro wheels that slide the F4s were my least favorite by far.  I think Dragons, Nomads and the NFG 95A (R.I.P.) were all far superior wheels to the F4s.  For the record up until recently when I switched to X99s, F4 99a were my wheel of choice so its not an anti Spitfire thing, I just think the 97s stink.

[Gandito405]

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97a radial fulls feel twice as fast than my lock in fulls with a wider contact patch out the gate.

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Can you still tre flip though?

I ride transition so i cant say about that. if you get full conical 97as I'm sure you can tre flip because they are not as wide. and once you wear them down a few mm it'll ride like a radial. but I don't really think it matters because I've seen my friend with 58 og classics tre no problem. if you are still skeptical the conical fulls are a great choice.

[Gandito405]

I’m so confused. My new RFs started doing the same thing, then they got lose again. It’s like I had to ride them in different directions, like I ride switch using my nose as the tail.

I want to try for another pair, but I don’t have time to keep sending them back. May just swear off this shape for good 😫

the only problem with mine is they will chuck off some.

[OhioGuy]

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I’m so confused. My new RFs started doing the same thing, then they got lose again. It’s like I had to ride them in different directions, like I ride switch using my nose as the tail.

I want to try for another pair, but I don’t have time to keep sending them back. May just swear off this shape for good 😫

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the only problem with mine is they will chuck off some.

I must be having bad luck. Makes me want to get multiple pair and just combine the good wheels, but that’s madness.

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Any other brand make a wide wheel like the RFs? You know, besides OJ Chubbies.

[Sativa Lung]

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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.

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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production

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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.

Well that's a pretty wild bit of speculation based on absolutely nothing lmao.

The NFG guys shut down but from the way they were talking the hope is to get back up and running some day if it makes economic sense. They tried to do the crowd funding thing but no one seemed to care about it. I barely even saw it get posted on here. I think most people at that time thought f4 is perfect and couldn't possibly be improved on, especially by some random SF guys no one had ever heard of.

I don't think sharing their formula would change much - you can give the same recipe to two cooks and get massively different results based on workflow, tooling, and production environment.

Loophole went to creative urethane (like most smaller brands) for a while but as someone said the new ones look like HLC's new formula and match the shapes from the OEM catalog.

[OhioGuy]

One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[LebowskisRug]

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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.

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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production

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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.

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Well that's a pretty wild bit of speculation based on absolutely nothing lmao.

The NFG guys shut down but from the way they were talking the hope is to get back up and running some day if it makes economic sense. They tried to do the crowd funding thing but no one seemed to care about it. I barely even saw it get posted on here. I think most people at that time thought f4 is perfect and couldn't possibly be improved on, especially by some random SF guys no one had ever heard of.

I don't think sharing their formula would change much - you can give the same recipe to two cooks and get massively different results based on workflow, tooling, and production environment.

Loophole went to creative urethane (like most smaller brands) for a while but as someone said the new ones look like HLC's new formula and match the shapes from the OEM catalog.

Their wheel shapes were good, but their QC was terrible. My first set was 2mm smaller than advertised, second set the wheels ranged in size by .75mm across the set, and all sets had bubbles. My 3rd set was the best, but they weren't necessarily better than F4. They were kinda plugging the fact that one of them worked at Spitfire before and that the formula was basically Formula 5 and maybe it was, but it wasn't any better. Then they got into the bushing business for some reason instead of improving their QC and availability and the bushings were a huge dud.

[Xen]

Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

Bones X97s without a doubt. It's a superior 97a wheel to other offerings, especially the spit 97a (sorry diehards) as x97s slide better and crush rough terrain by comparison. Spit 97a might have an edge on smooth terrain speed-wise, but it would be marginal at best.

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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.

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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production

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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.

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Well that's a pretty wild bit of speculation based on absolutely nothing lmao.

The NFG guys shut down but from the way they were talking the hope is to get back up and running some day if it makes economic sense. They tried to do the crowd funding thing but no one seemed to care about it. I barely even saw it get posted on here. I think most people at that time thought f4 is perfect and couldn't possibly be improved on, especially by some random SF guys no one had ever heard of.

I don't think sharing their formula would change much - you can give the same recipe to two cooks

So, they are hoping to continue their business but need crowd funding and nobody seems to care. Sounds like they don’t have much future.

Also, urethane chemistry does not vary based on equipment. We have processing plants all over the world. It’s all about the formula. You pour a liquid into a mold and allow it to harden. That’s it.

[Mbrimson88]

One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.

[OhioGuy]

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One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.

Didn’t clean inside the wheels cause they’re new, but the bearings have no grease on them. I bathed them in alcohol yesterday before installing them. I’ve ordered some lock-in fulls since they were $35 with free shipping on TGM. I’m hoping that they use a different mold for them. No other pair of Spitfires has ever given me issues. Just the RF shape. It’s odd.

My bearings are two month old Bones Swiss 6, so I know they’re not the issue. They worked flawlessly with the OJ Hardlines last week. But the RFs locked up again ten minutes into my session. It’s wild. They must have a defect issue.

[Mbrimson88]

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One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.

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Didn’t clean inside the wheels cause they’re new, but the bearings have no grease on them. I bathed them in alcohol yesterday before installing them. I’ve ordered some lock-in fulls since they were $35 with free shipping on TGM. I’m hoping that they use a different mold for them. No other pair of Spitfires has ever given me issues. Just the RF shape. It’s odd.

My bearings are two month old Bones Swiss 6, so I know they’re not the issue. They worked flawlessly with the OJ Hardlines last week. But the RFs locked up again ten minutes into my session. It’s wild. They must have a defect issue.

Bottom line is you should not have to go to special efforts or lengths just to have a product work for you.

Get wheels out of packet, put bearings in wheels, put wheels on axles, tighten nuts to where you want and skate.

Having to do this and that or whatever else just to have something work as it normally should is not a big deal if there is not a fault with the product, but having bearing seats too wide, or having incorrectly seated bearings in a wheel are definitely not things I would want to have to deal with.

As you said, NOT the bearings at all, just the wheels.

Good luck with them.  I could see others getting pissed way more quickly than you and swearing off wheel brands entirely in the past from other things like that.

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One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.

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Didn’t clean inside the wheels cause they’re new, but the bearings have no grease on them. I bathed them in alcohol yesterday before installing them. I’ve ordered some lock-in fulls since they were $35 with free shipping on TGM. I’m hoping that they use a different mold for them. No other pair of Spitfires has ever given me issues. Just the RF shape. It’s odd.

My bearings are two month old Bones Swiss 6, so I know they’re not the issue. They worked flawlessly with the OJ Hardlines last week. But the RFs locked up again ten minutes into my session. It’s wild. They must have a defect issue.

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Bottom line is you should not have to go to special efforts or lengths just to have a product work for you.

Get wheels out of packet, put bearings in wheels, put wheels on axles, tighten nuts to where you want and skate.

Having to do this and that or whatever else just to have something work as it normally should is not a big deal if there is not a fault with the product, but having bearing seats too wide, or having incorrectly seated bearings in a wheel are definitely not things I would want to have to deal with.

As you said, NOT the bearings at all, just the wheels.

Good luck with them.  I could see others getting pissed way more quickly than you and swearing off wheel brands entirely in the past from other things like that.

If this were my first experience with them I would swear 'em off. But the tablets are some of my favorite wheels. I've had a pair for almost two years on another setup. They work flawlessly.

The 97a RFs are probably worse than the 99a ones. They don't seem popular, so I imagine if there's an issue many folks won't notice 🥴

If my "experiments" fail (something I shouldn't have to do, as you said, they should just work), I'll be sending both pairs back and asking for another shape to keep as a backup.

[Texas_Tone]

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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.

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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production

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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.

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Well that's a pretty wild bit of speculation based on absolutely nothing lmao.

The NFG guys shut down but from the way they were talking the hope is to get back up and running some day if it makes economic sense. They tried to do the crowd funding thing but no one seemed to care about it. I barely even saw it get posted on here. I think most people at that time thought f4 is perfect and couldn't possibly be improved on, especially by some random SF guys no one had ever heard of.

I don't think sharing their formula would change much - you can give the same recipe to two cooks

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So, they are hoping to continue their business but need crowd funding and nobody seems to care. Sounds like they don’t have much future.

Also, urethane chemistry does not vary based on equipment. We have processing plants all over the world. It’s all about the formula. You pour a liquid into a mold and allow it to harden. That’s it.

Really sucks about loophole, I really liked that formula it worked well with the dusty ditches and skateparks/diys that I skate here in Texas, my friends would be squirreling around with F4s and I’d be alright and still able to slide well, I will echo that dude with the hsu switch tre in his sig and say that the QC definitely needed some work, I got a set that I couldn’t keep a bearing in, and the bubbles too, but I just rode them out, that being said the shop that hooks me up is getting their new stuff so I’ll be able to at least support them while they are still around, yea with all the problems they’ve been having seems like they were kinda destined to fail

[OhioGuy]

I was thinking about my wheel issue more this morning, and thought for a second, what if it IS the bearings?

Would loosening the axel nut fix a seized bearing? Cause when I do that my wheel spins freely again.

So I don’t think it’s the bearings.

Idk, these damn wheels got me second guessing myself. These Swiss 6 work fine in my other wheels.

[Musicaldeath107]

I was thinking about my wheel issue more this morning, and thought for a second, what if it IS the bearings?

Would loosening the axel nut fix a seized bearing? Cause when I do that my wheel spins freely again.

So I don’t think it’s the bearings.

Idk, these damn wheels got me second guessing myself. These Swiss 6 work fine in my other wheels.

How old are your trucks? Could it be axle slip?

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I was thinking about my wheel issue more this morning, and thought for a second, what if it IS the bearings?

Would loosening the axel nut fix a seized bearing? Cause when I do that my wheel spins freely again.

So I don’t think it’s the bearings.

Idk, these damn wheels got me second guessing myself. These Swiss 6 work fine in my other wheels.

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How old are your trucks? Could it be axle slip?

Almost two years old. But the issue doesn’t happen with other wheels. Plus I mostly cruise and do no complys, so they look newish still. Do don’t think it’s axle slip, I thought that at first, though.