Wheels Thread

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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do

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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics

Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it

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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do

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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics

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Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it

no. just no man. fuck no.

classics are the best.

[hiljentaa]

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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do

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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics

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Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it

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no. just no man. fuck no.

classics are the best.

Someone, please, gnar this man.

Classics forever!

[Banned from the room]

I like classics. I just prefer the og. It's definitely the best shape. Its light for it's size

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I like classics. I just prefer the og. It's definitely the best shape. Its light for it's size

never skated the og’s.
had to have classics, in the 60 size, when we saw ee3.

here’s part of my beef with big wide wheels: imma still skate slow as shit cuz i’m scared. so then it looks like i’m the type of person that needs to open carry, just in case. got the 4x4 truck to drive to the grocery store. just in case. wearing rain boots, you never know.
like i want to be about it. i, very sadly, am not, bout it bout it.

[Mbrimson88]

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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do

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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics

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Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it

The funny thing with wheel shape is very much down to personal opinion.  How people skate really makes a huge difference to product choice / wheel shape too, which I realised when I skated quite a few different shapes just to see what they were like / to compare what worked and what didn't on different things.

I have some of pretty much everything, shape wise, even using a grinder to reshape wheels to make them a little more comfortable for me, but it is interesting that I have had to change wheels (or get out a different board with other wheels on it) for some sessions.

Quite simply Classics and the rounder edge wheels will definitely get on and off coping or edges more easily than more square or sharp edge profile wheels, including OG Classics, Conical shapes, but this changes through the life of the wheel too, so a well worn wheel will perform differently to a brand new wheel, some shapes more than others.

I think I prefer wheels around 54-56 mm, but I have wheels down to 50 on some boards, and as big as 60 on other boards.  In general a slightly more round edge with a wider riding surface works best, so maybe something like Radials are an excellent wheel choice as an all rounder for me, but even Classics worn down a few mm are about right, especially the bigger ones that wear down to a more comfortable size and I have had a lot of Classic Full shaped wheels in the past, mainly 56 mm which are 37 mm wide.

Skating Conical Full 53 and 54 mm from new just feels weird for some reason, but once they have worn down a bit and hit with the grinder, they are pretty much perfect for what I want too.  As it is the most common shape people I know ride now, I get a lot of them swapped back in after wearing them down a mm or two, so that is what I have mostly on my usual boards for the last couple of years.

For a couple of parks that were a little more slippery on the coping (yeah people waxed coping on the bowl) I found I needed the 54 mm Conical Full wheels from new to not slip out as much, as the 56 mm Classics I was riding there just didn't hold on enough, so a little more grip from the squared profile wheels can help in some situations.

Classics under 54 mm always felt too thin for me, but I know other people who are all about the 52 mm Classics, some even going down to 50 or 51 for the thinner profile wheel on very tech type setups.

All the other shapes do have their uses, so I understand why people will prefer certain wheels over others, especially if they can explain what they prefer, or why some wheels work better and some wheels are just not for them too.


That is not even getting into the different duro options now too, but the normal 99 duro is just the best all rounder, the 101s often feeling just a bit funny, but the 97s pretty much perfect for some situations too, where grip or not slipping out is a must, but again that is just my take on duro optoins in the Formula Four wheels. 

I also have other wheels in 90 and 92 duro which are great on so many things as a cruiser / softer option, then other wheels that just make no sense to me at all with some of the compounds, being too slippery on wood or metal but being too grippy on raw concrete or bitumen roads - not naming brands or wheel manufacturers, but I can easily see why Spitfire and Bones are thought to be the two main (and only) options for a lot of people.

[Banned from the room]

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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do

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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics

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Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it

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The funny thing with wheel shape is very much down to personal opinion.  How people skate really makes a huge difference to product choice / wheel shape too, which I realised when I skated quite a few different shapes just to see what they were like / to compare what worked and what didn't on different things.

I have some of pretty much everything, shape wise, even using a grinder to reshape wheels to make them a little more comfortable for me, but it is interesting that I have had to change wheels (or get out a different board with other wheels on it) for some sessions.

Quite simply Classics and the rounder edge wheels will definitely get on and off coping or edges more easily than more square or sharp edge profile wheels, including OG Classics, Conical shapes, but this changes through the life of the wheel too, so a well worn wheel will perform differently to a brand new wheel, some shapes more than others.

I think I prefer wheels around 54-56 mm, but I have wheels down to 50 on some boards, and as big as 60 on other boards.  In general a slightly more round edge with a wider riding surface works best, so maybe something like Radials are an excellent wheel choice as an all rounder for me, but even Classics worn down a few mm are about right, especially the bigger ones that wear down to a more comfortable size and I have had a lot of Classic Full shaped wheels in the past, mainly 56 mm which are 37 mm wide.

Skating Conical Full 53 and 54 mm from new just feels weird for some reason, but once they have worn down a bit and hit with the grinder, they are pretty much perfect for what I want too.  As it is the most common shape people I know ride now, I get a lot of them swapped back in after wearing them down a mm or two, so that is what I have mostly on my usual boards for the last couple of years.

For a couple of parks that were a little more slippery on the coping (yeah people waxed coping on the bowl) I found I needed the 54 mm Conical Full wheels from new to not slip out as much, as the 56 mm Classics I was riding there just didn't hold on enough, so a little more grip from the squared profile wheels can help in some situations.

Classics under 54 mm always felt too thin for me, but I know other people who are all about the 52 mm Classics, some even going down to 50 or 51 for the thinner profile wheel on very tech type setups.

All the other shapes do have their uses, so I understand why people will prefer certain wheels over others, especially if they can explain what they prefer, or why some wheels work better and some wheels are just not for them too.


That is not even getting into the different duro options now too, but the normal 99 duro is just the best all rounder, the 101s often feeling just a bit funny, but the 97s pretty much perfect for some situations too, where grip or not slipping out is a must, but again that is just my take on duro optoins in the Formula Four wheels. 

I also have other wheels in 90 and 92 duro which are great on so many things as a cruiser / softer option, then other wheels that just make no sense to me at all with some of the compounds, being too slippery on wood or metal but being too grippy on raw concrete or bitumen roads - not naming brands or wheel manufacturers, but I can easily see why Spitfire and Bones are thought to be the two main (and only) options for a lot of people.

I agree. I get stuck to some stuff front nose mostly. I just hit it from a different angle like a thunder. Try to leave a little room between the wheels and the sticky block.

I frickin slammed tonight. Earlier too. That one was funny.

This one I got a legit swellbow.

Cab accidental switch Manny infinity pivot to back.

[JimmyFive]

Did I read a couple of posts back that 58mm X99's were out??

If they did a 57/58mm V6 X99 that would be me set.

I can't get enough of the X99 formula. So versatile for everything. Fast and and lively just the right amount of grip/slip for me. I do wonder how that formula would feel in 101A - maybe the fastest wheel on earth. But I suppose that's what SPF's are for...

[bbk]

I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.

Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.

[rikki]

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I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.

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Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.

Must be the bad rate of the krone. They're considerably cheaper where I live (not Sweden).

[pops]

What's been your most durable and overall best functioning cruiser wheel? I skated the Oj super juices twice, both times they chunked fast so I wont get them again. Keyframes felt a bit too hard for my taste. Is there any soft wheel that actually has lasted you at least a year or two? Paying full price for wheels that last you one summer just cruising feels like a scam.

[Krooked antihero]

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I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.

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Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.

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Must be the bad rate of the krone. They're considerably cheaper where I live (not Sweden).

Based on your handle you’re here in Finland, and yeah most brick and mortar shops have them at 49-55€ but in blue tomato they’re 70€…

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I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.

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Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.

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Must be the bad rate of the krone. They're considerably cheaper where I live (not Sweden).

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Based on your handle you’re here in Finland, and yeah most brick and mortar shops have them at 49-55€ but in blue tomato they’re 70€…

In france they just went up, they were originally 55€, they were 68€ for a bit, and now its 73€ on the last 2 drops…

I see a lot more oj, dialtone, haze and satori wheels now than a year ago

[iw0]

What's been your most durable and overall best functioning cruiser wheel? I skated the Oj super juices twice, both times they chunked fast so I wont get them again. Keyframes felt a bit too hard for my taste. Is there any soft wheel that actually has lasted you at least a year or two? Paying full price for wheels that last you one summer just cruising feels like a scam.

i've stuck with rough riders after similar issues/preferences you listed and have been happy enough

[Xen]

Did I read a couple of posts back that 58mm X99's were out??

If they did a 57/58mm V6 X99 that would be me set.

I can't get enough of the X99 formula. So versatile for everything. Fast and and lively just the right amount of grip/slip for me. I do wonder how that formula would feel in 101A - maybe the fastest wheel on earth. But I suppose that's what SPF's are for...

56mm V6

https://bones.com/bones-wheels-x-formula-skateboard-wheels-leaving-56mm-v6-wide-cut-99a-blk-4pk

58mm V5
https://bones.com/bones-wheels-x-formula-skateboard-wheels-timeless-machine-58mm-v5-sidecut-99a-4pk

Surely you can get away with either; the V5 at that size is plenty wide =D

[JM]

Anyone with a gram scale know which Bones wheel is lighter? V1 or V5?

Also, any noticeable difference in the way they skate?

Thanks

[Xen]

Anyone with a gram scale know which Bones wheel is lighter? V1 or V5?

Also, any noticeable difference in the way they skate?

Thanks

MM being equal the v1 is lighter because it’s thinner.

V5 might lock in a bit better at small sizes due to the straight cut away…bigger you go the more wheel ya got to lock in.

Currently on 53mm v1 x99

I like both but prefer V3s

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Anyone with a gram scale know which Bones wheel is lighter? V1 or V5?

Also, any noticeable difference in the way they skate?

Thanks

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MM being equal the v1 is lighter because it’s thinner.

V5 might lock in a bit better at small sizes due to the straight cut away…bigger you go the more wheel ya got to lock in.

Currently on 53mm v1 x99

I like both but prefer V3s

v1s were sick because flippy.

i dunno why i’m such a conical full hater, but i really loved the sfw mike anderson wheel. they were pretty soft, but rad to just ride wherever. maybe because they were only like 53s. dunno

[Xen]

I hate really wide or ‘full’ wheels, totally unnecessary imo; duro > wheel width (aaaw cute the wide wheel puss..er posse has bunched panties now, lol grow up).

And I’m a both a bitch about weight and not fake hesh enough to ride them.

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I hate really wide or ‘full’ wheels, totally unnecessary imo; duro > wheel width.

And I’m a both a bitch about weight and not fake hesh enough to ride them.

oh right there with ya

[Mbrimson88]

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I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.

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Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.

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Must be the bad rate of the krone. They're considerably cheaper where I live (not Sweden).

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Based on your handle you’re here in Finland, and yeah most brick and mortar shops have them at 49-55€ but in blue tomato they’re 70€…

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In france they just went up, they were originally 55€, they were 68€ for a bit, and now its 73€ on the last 2 drops…

I see a lot more oj, dialtone, haze and satori wheels now than a year ago

I think you will find too, older stock has not been marked up or is still at the price when they got the wheels in (which was a lower wholesale price, so lower RRP as well), but newer stock is a higher wholesale price now even for the same wheels that were $5 or so less last drop, or even some shops that keep up with the current price of wheels might mark everything up sooner, regardless of the age of their wheel stock.

There are still some shops here in AU that are a lot more expensive right away, while others have not marked everything up since their last stock drop, so I am guessing that also happens all over the world.

Make no mistake, prices are still going up, so what you see right now is not going to be the most you would pay for wheels in a drop or two from now, which sounds bad, but it is just what is going on with things going up and up and up...

Only one single dollar at the manufacturing / wholesale end often means up to ten dollars or more at the retail end.

Get them with discount codes or as cheap as you can with certain sales or other deals and you shouldn't have to pay full RRP if you are smart about it.


Sorry, that ended up sounding like a rant, but I didn't mean it to.

[JM]

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Anyone with a gram scale know which Bones wheel is lighter? V1 or V5?

Also, any noticeable difference in the way they skate?

Thanks

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MM being equal the v1 is lighter because it’s thinner.

V5 might lock in a bit better at small sizes due to the straight cut away…bigger you go the more wheel ya got to lock in.

Currently on 53mm v1 x99

I like both but prefer V3s

🤘
V3’s abso-freaking-lutely!

My favorite local has 53mm x99 v1’s, and I had my heart set on 52mm… but maybe I should stop fiending over a mm and go for it.

I think you probably gave a rundown on the x99’s a while back, but how is the impact absorption on them compared to the x97’s? I love the x97’s but it would be nice to have a less soft-sounding wheel again. And really want to try the v1 shape (been on v5’s for a few years now)

[iw0]

anyone know of any shops that have the new loopholes? did they even distro to shops this round is another question i guess. was hoping to maybe find the 54mm that are sold out on the site but having no luck so far

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anyone know of any shops that have the new loopholes? did they even distro to shops this round is another question i guess. was hoping to maybe find the 54mm that are sold out on the site but having no luck so far

https://thepremierstore.com/products/brush-classic-mt-shape-wheel-100a-54mm?_pos=4&_fid=47e721c42&_ss=c

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I hate really wide or ‘full’ wheels, totally unnecessary imo; duro > wheel width (aaaw cute the wide wheel puss..er posse has bunched panties now, lol grow up).

And I’m a both a bitch about weight and not fake hesh enough to ride them.

yo, same here. i tried to jump on the wide wheel train, and got some radial fulls. lasted 2 weeks max. lost full ability to flip a board. I’m sure there is some kind of benefit to riding them on transition, but I can’t even back 50-50 on a 4ft quarter. lmao

[iw0]

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anyone know of any shops that have the new loopholes? did they even distro to shops this round is another question i guess. was hoping to maybe find the 54mm that are sold out on the site but having no luck so far

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https://thepremierstore.com/products/brush-classic-mt-shape-wheel-100a-54mm?_pos=4&_fid=47e721c42&_ss=c

neat ty

[LebowskisRug]

I can't find the posts on here but I remember at some point some really smart people concluded that all else equal wider wheels would distribute vibrations better and break into slides easier than the equivalent durometer in a narrower wheel. It would then be logical that perhaps going down 1 step in duro on the narrower wheel still would not smooth things out as much as the larger wheel and come at the cost of also creating drag on slides.

I think this is why I still prefer 53 F4 99 Radials to the 53 X99 Bones V5. The Radials skate just as fast and feel pretty smooth on the asphalt I skate (which isn't super crusty), but faster in other scenarios and on ledges/coping. I don't think duro or width are independently the casual factor in a wheel performing a certain way and can see why people might want a narrower, softer wheel or a standard hardness wide wheel.

FWIW a shit ton of really tech pros skate wider wheels. A wider wheel might not absorb the same amount of shock from rolling over a crack, but it will distribute that roll over over a larger area. They can then have a wheel that still slides/grinds how they are used to but unlocks different types of terrain. Lots of kids local to me skate large/wide wheels are are definitely not hesh. A 54 conical full for them is likely going to be faster than a 52 V1 X series.

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i have the conical fulls in 52, 101s, and they are good.
there isn’t much doubt for me, that a wider wheel monster trucks over stuff better.

i talk big shit on big wheels, because me and my little wheels are usually out here whittlin in some parking lot. if i was gx’n then yes, big wheels.
speaking of which, i’ve been looking forward to setting up a board for outside of the parking lot/park, and more for transportation. time to put my 56 radial fulls to actual good use. these things look insane

[Musicaldeath107]

I can't find the posts on here but I remember at some point some really smart people concluded that all else equal wider wheels would distribute vibrations better and break into slides easier than the equivalent durometer in a narrower wheel. It would then be logical that perhaps going down 1 step in duro on the narrower wheel still would not smooth things out as much as the larger wheel and come at the cost of also creating drag on slides.

I think this is why I still prefer 53 F4 99 Radials to the 53 X99 Bones V5. The Radials skate just as fast and feel pretty smooth on the asphalt I skate (which isn't super crusty), but faster in other scenarios and on ledges/coping. I don't think duro or width are independently the casual factor in a wheel performing a certain way and can see why people might want a narrower, softer wheel or a standard hardness wide wheel.

FWIW a shit ton of really tech pros skate wider wheels. A wider wheel might not absorb the same amount of shock from rolling over a crack, but it will distribute that roll over over a larger area. They can then have a wheel that still slides/grinds how they are used to but unlocks different types of terrain. Lots of kids local to me skate large/wide wheels are are definitely not hesh. A 54 conical full for them is likely going to be faster than a 52 V1 X series.

I think in this case its more just how actually shitty the asphalt is you're skating.

Radials are my Spitfire wheel of choice and the X99 v5s in the same diameter are very noticabley faster and smoother on the east coast crust at my local DIY.

[Xen]

People need to let the x formula do it's crusty thing and stop trying to replace their spit 99s if they can't handle their perceived/experienced drawbacks. Let if fucking go already if SPits 'work better everywhere' for you and your locals.

Once you adjust to x99s 'in the streets' it's crazy how hard 99a F4s feel, they might as well be 103 SPFs on cobblestone, covered in loose pebbles.

I'd take a narrower, x [or 99a] over a wider wheel, "less vibration of a wider wheel", to save on weight. Especially since the x-formula is tailored to uh...reduce vibration...it's the whole point of the fucking wheel, thereby making it so you don't need a wide wheel to lessen vibration...but even PP isn't exempt from hesh marketing with their V6s.

One thing is for sure, my knees fucking LOVE the x-formula and prior to them, I wouldn't ride a 99a, 101 spit or 103 stf all day. It wasn't until I got older / had less smooth shit to skate that I even looked at 99a anything.

As an aside, FFS, counter/pick an argument with someone else for a change, it's fucking tired/old...but here we are in multiple threads again (..if the shoe fits...know what I mean). Get off my dick (unless, it is BECAUSE you a so enamored for some reason you WANT this D?).