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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8550 on: October 28, 2025, 03:44:02 AM »
Should I try Bones V5 shape?

V1 and V3 are my favorite wheel shapes right now, but been curious about trying something new. Might lock slightly better than V1?

i went from 56mm spitfire classics to 58mm v5s and for a conical cut these v5s are surprisingly nimble, my flip tricks didn't suffer at all. kinda skinny for a 58mm. they lock really well on ledges and round rails.

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« Reply #8551 on: October 28, 2025, 04:57:59 PM »
The riding surface on V5’s is pretty narrow still so I think they aren’t too far off what you skate.

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« Reply #8552 on: October 30, 2025, 01:41:53 PM »
Appreciate the responses y'all.

I think I'll give the V5s a shot sometime soon. I dislike the aesthetic of conical cut wheels, but the narrow width and radius of the cut to the riding surface looks like it'll work well for me.

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« Reply #8553 on: November 03, 2025, 11:08:32 AM »
Do the dragon V5's have the same 17.5mm riding surface as the V1's?

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« Reply #8554 on: November 03, 2025, 11:31:11 AM »
Do the dragon V5's have the same 17.5mm riding surface as the V1's?

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« Reply #8555 on: November 03, 2025, 12:53:26 PM »

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« Reply #8556 on: November 04, 2025, 12:08:23 AM »
loophole has 93 and 98 duro wheels now

https://www.loopholewheels.com/

i wonder if those 98a wheels are from HLC. i'd be interested to try them if that's the case, i've been curious about those wheels because i got a set of samples a while back and they were really promising. i didn't really feel like buying jart branded wheels though

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« Reply #8557 on: November 05, 2025, 07:37:53 PM »
Grabbed the x97 v5 50mm after being on f4 99 for years.  Gotta say, they're good.  Had a little bit of an adjustment period getting used to how well they maintained speed.  Very impressed with how well they slide.  I actually think they may slide better on angle iron than the f4s. 

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« Reply #8558 on: November 13, 2025, 11:01:18 AM »
The old Ricta Cores I was experementing with for its shape started to pop out from its core so I swapped back to FF CFs. I definitely like the FF and Dragon 97 that I have on another setup formulas better but that is probably no surprise here. The CFs I'm using were 54mm new but now around 50mm or less so they are very squared off at the edges and I did notice a difference from the rounded shape of the Rictas. Now I'm really curious and convinced I need to try Classic Fulls in the new formula 97s whenever those become available.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8559 on: November 13, 2025, 07:39:42 PM »
The old Ricta Cores I was experementing with for its shape started to pop out from its core so I swapped back to FF CFs. I definitely like the FF and Dragon 97 that I have on another setup formulas better but that is probably no surprise here. The CFs I'm using were 54mm new but now around 50mm or less so they are very squared off at the edges and I did notice a difference from the rounded shape of the Rictas. Now I'm really curious and convinced I need to try Classic Fulls in the new formula 97s whenever those become available.


Not sure if or when the Classic Fulls will be out in 97, but wearing a 56 mm Classic 97 down to 54 or 53 is "about the same" as a smaller Classic Full shape, even though I know it is not the same.

As to wheels with cores, I think a lot of people had issues with various cored wheels over the years, to the point where even if it was a good wheel, some people I know will never touch them again.  It could be said, the more that goes into something, the more that could go wrong, but maybe some brands and even some batches have more issues than others.

That said, Ricta are NHS and they really do look after their product faults, so unless they were dead, worn out or decades old, it could be worth checking with them to see.  You never know, or could get a new set of something from them.


The softer Ricta Clouds wheels I have tried over the years were always pretty good for me, be it the in between duros or the really soft ones - maybe the 92s over the 78 or 86 duro wheels at least, but I only ever had second hand ones from trade ins too. 

Did they have other soft duro options out? 

That was all I could see, but I think there was a 95 or 97 at some point, unless I am thinking of other brand wheels.


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8560 on: November 13, 2025, 11:54:34 PM »
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The old Ricta Cores I was experementing with for its shape started to pop out from its core so I swapped back to FF CFs. I definitely like the FF and Dragon 97 that I have on another setup formulas better but that is probably no surprise here. The CFs I'm using were 54mm new but now around 50mm or less so they are very squared off at the edges and I did notice a difference from the rounded shape of the Rictas. Now I'm really curious and convinced I need to try Classic Fulls in the new formula 97s whenever those become available.
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Not sure if or when the Classic Fulls will be out in 97, but wearing a 56 mm Classic 97 down to 54 or 53 is "about the same" as a smaller Classic Full shape, even though I know it is not the same.

As to wheels with cores, I think a lot of people had issues with various cored wheels over the years, to the point where even if it was a good wheel, some people I know will never touch them again.  It could be said, the more that goes into something, the more that could go wrong, but maybe some brands and even some batches have more issues than others.

That said, Ricta are NHS and they really do look after their product faults, so unless they were dead, worn out or decades old, it could be worth checking with them to see.  You never know, or could get a new set of something from them.


The softer Ricta Clouds wheels I have tried over the years were always pretty good for me, be it the in between duros or the really soft ones - maybe the 92s over the 78 or 86 duro wheels at least, but I only ever had second hand ones from trade ins too. 

Did they have other soft duro options out? 

That was all I could see, but I think there was a 95 or 97 at some point, unless I am thinking of other brand wheels.
If they don’t make 97s by the time I really want to buy new wheels, I’ll get the 99s. I’m sure they will be great but just curious about trying the new 97s.
I don’t know much about the current Ricta options other than they look similar to what I have, which are over a decade old. But I might actually look into the warranty thing now that you mention it and I was also considering it for some really, really old Thunders I have (with 6 hole baseplates) when I read about their warranty probably covering the axel slip mine have. I think I’ve decided I don’t really like Thunders or Rictas compared to the other options available but I’m always open to try new stuff, especially if I can get them for free. Could also just let my kid use them since he really loved the Rictas when I put them on his setup. When I got the Rictas, they were a new brand to me that I never heard about until my friend got some Ricta filming wheels and when I looked into them, the Cores I got seemed pretty cool. They are fine but after riding FF and Powell and really being able to compare and notice the differences, I like those more. Maybe Ricta has a newer formula that’s also comparable but I know I’ve always liked Powell wheels since back in the day and FF since I got them when I started skating again.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8561 on: November 14, 2025, 01:29:18 AM »

If they don’t make 97s by the time I really want to buy new wheels, I’ll get the 99s. I’m sure they will be great but just curious about trying the new 97s.
I don’t know much about the current Ricta options other than they look similar to what I have, which are over a decade old. But I might actually look into the warranty thing now that you mention it and I was also considering it for some really, really old Thunders I have (with 6 hole baseplates) when I read about their warranty probably covering the axel slip mine have. I think I’ve decided I don’t really like Thunders or Rictas compared to the other options available but I’m always open to try new stuff, especially if I can get them for free. Could also just let my kid use them since he really loved the Rictas when I put them on his setup. When I got the Rictas, they were a new brand to me that I never heard about until my friend got some Ricta filming wheels and when I looked into them, the Cores I got seemed pretty cool. They are fine but after riding FF and Powell and really being able to compare and notice the differences, I like those more. Maybe Ricta has a newer formula that’s also comparable but I know I’ve always liked Powell wheels since back in the day and FF since I got them when I started skating again.


I guess it gets thrown around a bit, but people say Bones and Spitfire, or some would say Spitfire and then Bones, are the two best wheel brands on the market, both with their own in house formulas and always pushing the product development and everything else, so I can understand why some people ask "Why ride anything else at all?"

To be fair, there are lots of other brands, which I guess all have some use or a small market share, wheels are still wheels, but from testing a lot of different wheels over the years, maybe even more now I have better access, or have a lot more swaps and trades, I really think some of these softer formulas from Bones and Spitfire are worth getting and just make things so much easier, that I don't need to worry or think about any wheel issues I could have on some other brands.


I am also curious if they are going to make more of the reformulated 97 duro Spitfires, but I guess with the 93s coming out again, the 97 duro options might not be too far behind.  They were pretty good, the set of reformulated 97 duro, 55 mm Delfino Radials I have, that is.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8562 on: November 14, 2025, 09:15:54 AM »
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If they don’t make 97s by the time I really want to buy new wheels, I’ll get the 99s. I’m sure they will be great but just curious about trying the new 97s.
I don’t know much about the current Ricta options other than they look similar to what I have, which are over a decade old. But I might actually look into the warranty thing now that you mention it and I was also considering it for some really, really old Thunders I have (with 6 hole baseplates) when I read about their warranty probably covering the axel slip mine have. I think I’ve decided I don’t really like Thunders or Rictas compared to the other options available but I’m always open to try new stuff, especially if I can get them for free. Could also just let my kid use them since he really loved the Rictas when I put them on his setup. When I got the Rictas, they were a new brand to me that I never heard about until my friend got some Ricta filming wheels and when I looked into them, the Cores I got seemed pretty cool. They are fine but after riding FF and Powell and really being able to compare and notice the differences, I like those more. Maybe Ricta has a newer formula that’s also comparable but I know I’ve always liked Powell wheels since back in the day and FF since I got them when I started skating again.
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I guess it gets thrown around a bit, but people say Bones and Spitfire, or some would say Spitfire and then Bones, are the two best wheel brands on the market, both with their own in house formulas and always pushing the product development and everything else, so I can understand why some people ask "Why ride anything else at all?"

To be fair, there are lots of other brands, which I guess all have some use or a small market share, wheels are still wheels, but from testing a lot of different wheels over the years, maybe even more now I have better access, or have a lot more swaps and trades, I really think some of these softer formulas from Bones and Spitfire are worth getting and just make things so much easier, that I don't need to worry or think about any wheel issues I could have on some other brands.


I am also curious if they are going to make more of the reformulated 97 duro Spitfires, but I guess with the 93s coming out again, the 97 duro options might not be too far behind.  They were pretty good, the set of reformulated 97 duro, 55 mm Delfino Radials I have, that is.
I’m sure there are other great wheels out there. I remember as a kid, before I had the resources we have today, I had little idea what any the differences really meant so I just bought wheels based on look and what seemed good. I had OJs (still have a vintage set on my reissue old school deck), Slimeballs, but I still remember the last set of wheels I got from that era were Bones Mini-Rats 57mm 97A and those felt like the perfect wheel to me at that time. The new Powell wheels I have in 97 Dragon formula also feel great so it’s funny how things go full circle and why I want to try the FF 97s. I’m guessing I’ll like the Classic Fulls but maybe conical shape could end up being my go to if I go back to basing it off my favorite mini-rats from back in the day. Or, possibly an asymmetric shape since those were I think conical outside, straight inside.
I looked into NHS warranty and it was only 120 days so way over that by 10 years or so, lol.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8563 on: November 16, 2025, 09:10:39 PM »

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« Reply #8564 on: November 16, 2025, 10:09:22 PM »
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRI-sS-k0pE/?igsh=cTRvZWswMXlqMzNw

I’m so interested in these. Dream wheel shape to me.  I want to bite the bullet but I haven’t had OJs in 10 years or so and I remember them being just okay.

How is the urethane these days? This is the first time I’ve ever considered buying something not Spitfire in forever

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« Reply #8565 on: November 16, 2025, 11:44:20 PM »
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loophole has 93 and 98 duro wheels now

https://www.loopholewheels.com/
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i wonder if those 98a wheels are from HLC. i'd be interested to try them if that's the case, i've been curious about those wheels because i got a set of samples a while back and they were really promising. i didn't really feel like buying jart branded wheels though
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« Reply #8566 on: November 17, 2025, 12:01:41 AM »

I’m so interested in these. Dream wheel shape to me.  I want to bite the bullet but I haven’t had OJs in 10 years or so and I remember them being just okay.

How is the urethane these days? This is the first time I’ve ever considered buying something not Spitfire in forever

I had some 100 or 101 duro conical OJs with cheeseburgers on them in 2016 and I liked them a lot, I didn't notice anything bad about them. They were kinda natural color like f4s

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8567 on: November 17, 2025, 03:29:36 AM »
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I’m so interested in these. Dream wheel shape to me.  I want to bite the bullet but I haven’t had OJs in 10 years or so and I remember them being just okay.

How is the urethane these days? This is the first time I’ve ever considered buying something not Spitfire in forever
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I had some 100 or 101 duro conical OJs with cheeseburgers on them in 2016 and I liked them a lot, I didn't notice anything bad about them. They were kinda natural color like f4s


The OJs 99 original / elite formula is still a good one, which I think works better than some of their other formulas for me anyway.  Sure they are not Formula Four wheels, but then again, what is, besides Formula Four.

Just watch out for flatspots when you first get them, but as they wear in they usually feel a little more comfortable and less likely to have "new wheel issues" the way some do.

I didn't see, but do these have tread or are they smooth?  * Or even stone ground finish, which would be great.



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« Reply #8568 on: November 17, 2025, 04:38:39 AM »
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I’m so interested in these. Dream wheel shape to me.  I want to bite the bullet but I haven’t had OJs in 10 years or so and I remember them being just okay.

How is the urethane these days? This is the first time I’ve ever considered buying something not Spitfire in forever
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I had some 100 or 101 duro conical OJs with cheeseburgers on them in 2016 and I liked them a lot, I didn't notice anything bad about them. They were kinda natural color like f4s
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The OJs 99 original / elite formula is still a good one, which I think works better than some of their other formulas for me anyway.  Sure they are not Formula Four wheels, but then again, what is, besides Formula Four.

Just watch out for flatspots when you first get them, but as they wear in they usually feel a little more comfortable and less likely to have "new wheel issues" the way some do.

I didn't see, but do these have tread or are they smooth?  * Or even stone ground finish, which would be great.

Yeah I had 101s previously which may have contributed to me not loving them.

These Boserios seem to be smooth, I should be able to get my hands on a set tomorrow to confirm. I think I’m gonna give them a go, if I don’t like them they weren’t very expensive anyways I guess.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8569 on: November 17, 2025, 04:48:51 AM »
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I’m so interested in these. Dream wheel shape to me.  I want to bite the bullet but I haven’t had OJs in 10 years or so and I remember them being just okay.

How is the urethane these days? This is the first time I’ve ever considered buying something not Spitfire in forever
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I had some 100 or 101 duro conical OJs with cheeseburgers on them in 2016 and I liked them a lot, I didn't notice anything bad about them. They were kinda natural color like f4s
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The OJs 99 original / elite formula is still a good one, which I think works better than some of their other formulas for me anyway.  Sure they are not Formula Four wheels, but then again, what is, besides Formula Four.



Just to be clear: the OJ Elite and Original formulas are two different formulas, with Elite being the newer and arguably more high-quality one.

The Elite wheels are ok. They feel somewhat harder than e.g. F4s (when comparing 99 duro wheels), and their slide performance isn't as nice. They do slide, but they're somewhat grippier and harder to break into slides, I'd say. They do bark nice and loud, if that means something. What's more, they feel fast. If my old ass feet could handle "real" hard wheels (I seem to be in the modern 97 and below territory for good) these days, I might prefer OJ Elites over F4s especially in concrete parks.

I've no experience with the Original formula.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8570 on: November 17, 2025, 05:58:01 AM »
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« Reply #8571 on: November 17, 2025, 06:13:10 AM »


Just to be clear: the OJ Elite and Original formulas are two different formulas, with Elite being the newer and arguably more high-quality one.

The Elite wheels are ok. They feel somewhat harder than e.g. F4s (when comparing 99 duro wheels), and their slide performance isn't as nice. They do slide, but they're somewhat grippier and harder to break into slides, I'd say. They do bark nice and loud, if that means something. What's more, they feel fast. If my old ass feet could handle "real" hard wheels (I seem to be in the modern 97 and below territory for good) these days, I might prefer OJ Elites over F4s especially in concrete parks.

I've no experience with the Original formula.



The funny thing is the old ones, the Made in USA ones were the "Original Elite" wheels (which was maybe more so just the name than the urethane type), as per what is on the packaging of a good number that I still have, from the 60 mm OJ Elite Combo II, through the Teamriders and others in some smaller sizes.

I guess at some point the formula did change, maybe when they took it to China, as it is no longer milky whilte, but a way more plasticy white and has been for a while, I had noticed on a number of sets that came in as trades, still new in shrink, which I never got out to try.

I do also think I recall Nick Bosserio saying he liked the original formula more than the newer ones that OJs make, so his wheels were out on that urethane, same as the other older big wide wheels, like the original wheels they brought out, often in softer duros or something like that.

They were mostly the 60 mm 95 duro, or 61 mm 97 duro options that I sold a good number of to people who wanted to set up the shaped or more period correct setups from the old era, but they did start to bring out the same shapes in 99 duro options too, including his first wheel, which I also have a set of - came in as a used trade in - which still rolls great, compared to the newer formulas which tend to flatspot way more easily.

Original formula have more grip and tend to flatspot less, while still have a good smooth ride over most surfaces, whereas the new Elite formula tend to be more chirpy and slick and some people have slipped out a lot more on them, where I work.


Anyway, I can see there are quite different sets of wheels now, going by the OJs site. 

Not a worry either way.


https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/oj-wheels-original-formula

https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/oj-wheels-elite


* Maybe more so a "Thank you for the correction" as I probably don't really pay as much attention to the OJs wheels that are out now, given how often people have said they prefer other wheels, etc.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8572 on: November 17, 2025, 07:09:10 AM »
In a nutshell, history and naming over the years notwithstanding, here are all their current formulas:



Also indicated and described on the actual OJ Wheels site under the "Urethane" section. Pretty straightforward.

https://ojwheels.com/urethane

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8573 on: November 17, 2025, 04:46:28 PM »
In a nutshell, history and naming over the years notwithstanding, here are all their current formulas:



Also indicated and described on the actual OJ Wheels site under the "Urethane" section. Pretty straightforward.

https://ojwheels.com/urethane


For sure!

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Give the Boserio (or other shaped) originals a go sometime and see how they are, if you are at all interested.  A different ride that the usual options anyway.

They work well on a fun board, or bigger board, at least in the bigger and wider sizes, especially the 95 duro option on rough or old ground / skateparks, etc.


* Also I never think I know everything and am very happy when someone does correct me so at least next time I do know more, just in case anyone asks in person or anywhere else, so thank you again for pointing it out so clearly.  Always appreciated.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8574 on: November 17, 2025, 09:28:51 PM »
Should I try Bones V5 shape?

V1 and V3 are my favorite wheel shapes right now, but been curious about trying something new. Might lock slightly better than V1?

speaking from only personal experience, I hate the bones v5’s. they’re currently what I have set up and I can’t wait for these spitfire classics to come in the mail this week. first and last time I try bones wheels.
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« Reply #8575 on: November 18, 2025, 11:28:01 PM »
Should I try Bones V5 shape?

V1 and V3 are my favorite wheel shapes right now, but been curious about trying something new. Might lock slightly better than V1?

Before switching to Spitfire F4 Conical, OG Classic, and a soon to try Radial shape, Bones STF V5s were what I skated consistently! V3 were too narrow for me, like Spitfire's Classic shape. I enjoyed V5 because they were somewhere in between a conical blocky wheel and a narrow V3/Classic wheel.

If you like V1, I think you'll like V5. If you like V3 > V1 I don't believe you'll enjoy them as much. I could be wrong if you're more flexible to small wheel shapes differences!

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8576 on: November 18, 2025, 11:34:13 PM »
The V5 is my favorite shape from Bones. A great all-around wheel.

For those who prefer wide wheels, it's not something I'd recommend, as it's on the slim side.

But for those who enjoy light and agile wheels that perform well in many conditions, highly recommended.

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« Reply #8577 on: January 04, 2026, 04:31:44 PM »
About to set up a curb/Slappy board, will either be a Real True Fit or a Control Symmetrical
Slappy Hollow Low profile trucks

My current set-up I am riding 97/ 54 AV6 Nano Rats, and so far, I really like they way the feel.

Would love to try a smaller brand, so I was thinking either the Speedlab Shrimps or the sml OG Formula- 54mm Vcut/ Conical

I have been out of the game for over 20 years, and have no idea what I used to ride, if I had to guess, hand-me-down , almost cored Rats.

An input would be very helpful
Thanks

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8578 on: January 04, 2026, 05:01:29 PM »
About to set up a curb/Slappy board, will either be a Real True Fit or a Control Symmetrical
Slappy Hollow Low profile trucks

My current set-up I am riding 97/ 54 AV6 Nano Rats, and so far, I really like they way the feel.

Would love to try a smaller brand, so I was thinking either the Speedlab Shrimps or the sml OG Formula- 54mm Vcut/ Conical

I have been out of the game for over 20 years, and have no idea what I used to ride, if I had to guess, hand-me-down , almost cored Rats.

An input would be very helpful
Thanks

If you’re just getting back into it, most wheels will probably work for you. Aim for something with a durometer between 93a and 99a.

Spitfire Formula Four wheels are probably the most popular wheels right now, followed by Bones X97/X99 formula wheels. These two are far superior to everything else on the market right now, but everything else is still fine and works as long as you’re not buying super cheap stuff (ex: OJ From Concentrate formula).

Mini Logo wheels get a lot of love for being a cheap wheel. OJ Elite formula is good. Speedlabs were good when Creative was manufacturing them, not sure nowadays with the new manufacturer, but I’ve always liked the variety of shapes and colors they offer.

My advice would be to stick with the nano rats if you like them, or go with some Formula Fours if you want to try something new. You can’t go wrong with either
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #8579 on: January 04, 2026, 05:21:58 PM »
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About to set up a curb/Slappy board, will either be a Real True Fit or a Control Symmetrical
Slappy Hollow Low profile trucks

My current set-up I am riding 97/ 54 AV6 Nano Rats, and so far, I really like they way the feel.

Would love to try a smaller brand, so I was thinking either the Speedlab Shrimps or the sml OG Formula- 54mm Vcut/ Conical

I have been out of the game for over 20 years, and have no idea what I used to ride, if I had to guess, hand-me-down , almost cored Rats.

An input would be very helpful
Thanks
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If you’re just getting back into it, most wheels will probably work for you. Aim for something with a durometer between 93a and 99a.

Spitfire Formula Four wheels are probably the most popular wheels right now, followed by Bones X97/X99 formula wheels. These two are far superior to everything else on the market right now, but everything else is still fine and works as long as you’re not buying super cheap stuff (ex: OJ From Concentrate formula).

Mini Logo wheels get a lot of love for being a cheap wheel. OJ Elite formula is good. Speedlabs were good when Creative was manufacturing them, not sure nowadays with the new manufacturer, but I’ve always liked the variety of shapes and colors they offer.

My advice would be to stick with the nano rats if you like them, or go with some Formula Fours if you want to try something new. You can’t go wrong with either

Thanks, I have some F4s and some Xformual as well, they are harder at 99a, and I can tell the difference in not only speed, but how the ground translate into my old ass feet, lol  they do slide better.

Also rode some OJ Nomads, on the fence with them.

I am not an everyday skater right now, still letting my body adapt to the new inputs. I thought it would be fun to sample some smaller company wheels right now, because I would not be testing the durability as hard as I might be later

Thanks for the advise, it has been noted!!! and will be taken into consideration for sure