DLX Shapes

[Mbrimson88]

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Maybe I'm just not discerning enough, but I just set up an Anti-Hero with a I stamp and it feels pretty mellow.

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I feel like no matter what stamp I get on the army/olive green eagle they all feel pretty mellow.

That's easily my most skated shape and I can hardly tell a difference at all between stamps.

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I had a IV olive eagle three years ago (it’s the 8.38 x 14.5wb, right?)

And it felt so flat that it was like skating a 2x4. Gave it away to a kid because it was so bad.

Kind of strange that it’s different, but good to see your confirmation that it wasn’t just my imagination.

Ha yeah, that is the one - had so many of that shape board (many different graphics) but going back to a fresh IV stamp after some others they always feel so very flat, but I am more used to that compared to a board that is too steep, of which I have given away more than any, so I am the opposite.

In saying that, I do have one older olive eagle 8.38 that is a I stamp that is quite steep, so I haven't set it up and kept it more as a reminder of the different press numbers, so it must be the only one of those in almost a hundred that I thought was just too steep for me.  Everything else I have skated as is, or driven over / parked on, to mellow out the kicks some, if it was a I or II stamp, which then worked well enough for me for some things.


This was from a while back now:

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That said, this was my post from a while back in the setup thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg4361382#msg4361382


Trying the DLX 9.0 China wood with both trucks drilled in

AH 9.0 with 15 wb (now 14.5)
Indy 169s, drilled in both trucks
Spitfire 58 mm Conical Full rounded down and now 50 mm
Bones bearngs
Jessup grip

* Still a work in progress as the wheelbase was way too long for the mold and just didn't work, so I had to use both drilled in for the board to feel anywhere near normal.  The kicks are a little longer now, but it actually feels quite good and works well enough with the usual dimensions with both drilled in, at least works way more than the BBS mold would have for the same board, which I usually have as normal 9 x 33 with 15 wb option for the other same sized boards, so overall it is a bit weird but I actually like having the two options of these boards now.

Thanks for the info, I ordered another BBS Eagle incase i don't like this one. I also have a wheelbase tool I haven't used yet so might screw around with that too.

[thefriscokid]

Wait.. sorrt if I missed this but I just set up 8.5 Barbee Krooked, its got a IV stamp but it seems pretty mellow conclave?

Do the stamps mean anything or not really

[Jackismydogsname]

IV is the least concave of the shape in the stack, I is the steepest

 I like 3-4 and 1 to me it is dramatic but they are all "good" and personal preference.

Wait.. sorrt if I missed this but I just set up 8.5 Barbee Krooked, its got a IV stamp but it seems pretty mellow conclave?

Do the stamps mean anything or not really

[tom]

Inquiring minds(me) would like to know if the beach bum has been discontinued. This is my second one and I cracked the nose last night. I still have 3 more just in case. Just wondering if I should try to get ahold of whatever is out there. I don't skate it often, but it winds up being my favorite board whenever I start skating it after a long break. Because of the shorter length it doesn't skate like a 9.5" wide board

[Brad Breath]

Grimple put one out a few catalogs back.  The Grimple Beach series.

[WideFeet]

I personally never trust the numeral stamp on top. I’ve stepped on some decks that were the same exact shape, and the IV felt like it had more concave than a III. Take that for what it’s so worth. I don’t know what the process from taking decks off the press, to stamping them, but it’s not impossible to be labeled wrong.

I always step on a deck before buying. I’m too picky not to

[Sedition]

I personally never trust the numeral stamp on top. I’ve stepped on some decks that were the same exact shape, and the IV felt like it had more concave than a III. Take that for what it’s so worth. I don’t know what the process from taking decks off the press, to stamping them, but it’s not impossible to be labeled wrong.

I always step on a deck before buying. I’m too picky not to

I believe those stamps are in the press, so it would be impossible to "mislabel" them. However, this does not account for variations among the presses themselves. I have absolutely stood on some "III" stamped decks that felt a lot more like a "I" stamp. That said, I ride "IV," and they have always seemed to be pretty consistent.

[BeachChicken]

Stamps are not in the press there is nothing between the decks to do that. Even on normal BBS decks the dimple is done after.

Source: same person that works part time there that also detailed how DLX makes their trucks and wheels down in the same Generator factory.

[Sedition]

Stamps are not in the press there is nothing between the decks to do that. Even on normal BBS decks the dimple is done after.

Source: same person that works part time there that also detailed how DLX makes their trucks and wheels down in the same Generator factory.

News to me. I had heard they were on press from local shop owner who asked DLX rep about them…but that was a looong time ago.

[Mbrimson88]

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Stamps are not in the press there is nothing between the decks to do that. Even on normal BBS decks the dimple is done after.

Source: same person that works part time there that also detailed how DLX makes their trucks and wheels down in the same Generator factory.

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News to me. I had heard they were on press from local shop owner who asked DLX rep about them…but that was a looong time ago.

I have a board with a III stamp, then a IV stamp more heavily across on an angle over it, like someone messed up when they stamped the board and then got the right one and restamped it harder.  Definitely feels like a IV as that is usually what I get too.

Makes sense that it is a human doing it all post press when the boards are taken out, otherwise boards would have something on the underside of the one above - there is nothing between the boards when they go into the presses, just the ply layers and glue, with the tops and bottoms not having gone through the glue machine.  If you ever see anything that has been in the press too, it makes a mess of the wood layers, foreign objects are a pain, even very small ones like a bit of sawdust fluff made a board look funny and caused a lump in the wood layers.

I don't recall seeing the number stamping, but everything else is all in the video of production of both the original one from a while ago and the more recent tour through with Mr Williams and co.


* The interesting thing is there is still so much work done by hand in the older style woodshops, compared to the newer hi tech ones, where almost everything is automated.

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The first DBX boards just hit the EU, or at least the first ones I'm aware of. They go for 150 € here in Germany, about 15 more than the latest Powell Flight decks. Hard to imagine these are gonna be a hit when you can get perfectly fine decks from local brands for 40. 

[Sedition]

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Stamps are not in the press there is nothing between the decks to do that. Even on normal BBS decks the dimple is done after.

Source: same person that works part time there that also detailed how DLX makes their trucks and wheels down in the same Generator factory.

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News to me. I had heard they were on press from local shop owner who asked DLX rep about them…but that was a looong time ago.

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I have a board with a III stamp, then a IV stamp more heavily across on an angle over it, like someone messed up when they stamped the board and then got the right one and restamped it harder.  Definitely feels like a IV as that is usually what I get too.

Makes sense that it is a human doing it all post press when the boards are taken out, otherwise boards would have something on the underside of the one above - there is nothing between the boards when they go into the presses, just the ply layers and glue, with the tops and bottoms not having gone through the glue machine.  If you ever see anything that has been in the press too, it makes a mess of the wood layers, foreign objects are a pain, even very small ones like a bit of sawdust fluff made a board look funny and caused a lump in the wood layers.

I don't recall seeing the number stamping, but everything else is all in the video of production of both the original one from a while ago and the more recent tour through with Mr Williams and co.

Oh, actually, now that I think about it…the stamps are also •generally• in the same place, but their position and depth DOES flux a bit. I’d imagine they’d probably be more inform if they •were• in the press. Yeah, this all makes a lot more sense now. Thanks for the clarifications.

[franc]

The first DBX boards just hit the EU, or at least the first ones I'm aware of. They go for 150 € here in Germany, about 15 more than the latest Powell Flight decks. Hard to imagine these are gonna be a hit when you can get perfectly fine decks from local brands for 40.

At 150 it's hard to imagine more than 10 people here are gonna buy those, and say when I say here, I mean in Europe as a whole!

[BeachChicken]

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Stamps are not in the press there is nothing between the decks to do that. Even on normal BBS decks the dimple is done after.

Source: same person that works part time there that also detailed how DLX makes their trucks and wheels down in the same Generator factory.

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News to me. I had heard they were on press from local shop owner who asked DLX rep about them…but that was a looong time ago.

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I have a board with a III stamp, then a IV stamp more heavily across on an angle over it, like someone messed up when they stamped the board and then got the right one and restamped it harder.  Definitely feels like a IV as that is usually what I get too.

Makes sense that it is a human doing it all post press when the boards are taken out, otherwise boards would have something on the underside of the one above - there is nothing between the boards when they go into the presses, just the ply layers and glue, with the tops and bottoms not having gone through the glue machine.  If you ever see anything that has been in the press too, it makes a mess of the wood layers, foreign objects are a pain, even very small ones like a bit of sawdust fluff made a board look funny and caused a lump in the wood layers.

I don't recall seeing the number stamping, but everything else is all in the video of production of both the original one from a while ago and the more recent tour through with Mr Williams and co.

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Oh, actually, now that I think about it…the stamps are also •generally• in the same place, but their position and depth DOES flux a bit. I’d imagine they’d probably be more inform if they •were• in the press. Yeah, this all makes a lot more sense now. Thanks for the clarifications.

This same dude was in the shop yesterday as I was comparing easy riders and he's also worked at Clutch and a few other places. Anyways, the Baker B2 decks are actually of the same mold as a few DLX shapes they're just top of the stack. He grabbed an Edgelrd board and an AH off the wall and they're identical except the EL one has the WB drilled slightly inwards. He rattles off a few other examples and essentially a lot of the molds themselves are the same, but the DLX decks might have different drilling and shaping after.

It was funny because I ride the generic 8.38 and the DLX 8.25x14.38 a lot and they're extremely similar. 8.25 has a hair longer nose and shorter tail, but the concave line up exactly. It's likely the same mold and different shaping.

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Inquiring minds(me) would like to know if the beach bum has been discontinued. This is my second one and I cracked the nose last night. I still have 3 more just in case. Just wondering if I should try to get ahold of whatever is out there. I don't skate it often, but it winds up being my favorite board whenever I start skating it after a long break. Because of the shorter length it doesn't skate like a 9.5" wide board

this looks like a good time

[Sedition]

The 8.62, that’s often a Cardiel…

1. What’s actual width?

2. Nose/Tail: Round? Pointy? Full-ish?

3. Wb is actually 14.5?

4. How different is overall shape/lengths compared to 8.38/14.5?

[tom]

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Inquiring minds(me) would like to know if the beach bum has been discontinued. This is my second one and I cracked the nose last night. I still have 3 more just in case. Just wondering if I should try to get ahold of whatever is out there. I don't skate it often, but it winds up being my favorite board whenever I start skating it after a long break. Because of the shorter length it doesn't skate like a 9.5" wide board

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this looks like a good time

I originally bought one thinking id learn layback grinds or that thing where 80's skaters used to do handstand wallrides or something cool like that. Instead I learned rick flips lmao

I'm off to track down some of the grimple ones

[Mbrimson88]

The 8.62, that’s often a Cardiel…

1. What’s actual width?

2. Nose/Tail: Round? Pointy? Full-ish?

3. Wb is actually 14.5?

4. How different is overall shape/lengths compared to 8.38/14.5?

From a while back now, but they are still the same - got a few of the Old West graphic in the new one anyway.


Actual width is 8.62 and is straight through the rail, no taper I could really see.

Kicks - more round than anything else, but I think that is just my take on it - check pics below = click on for the bigger pic as well.

WB is definitely 14.5 right on it.


Compared to my usual 8.38, the Cardiel shape is a little longer and rounder and of course a little wider, but not by that much really, given the 8.38 is almost 8.5 anyway.

For someone who prefers a little more but not quite as much as the usual DLX 8.75 it could be a good alternative.  It works really well on 159s with medium width wheels too - sits nicely on the trucks more so than the 8.75 anyway.

Rest of the info below.

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Going to get my hands on one of those cardiel 8 62's... brilliant work as always, @Mbrimson88

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That deck is actually one of the only 14.25wb and above DLX that I have NOT tried/had.

Currently thinking a lot about that new double drilled Gonz. Seem like it might be fun to tool around on.

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This is the one I got a few of in the current round - Cardiel / Thrasher colab graphic, but I just couldn't get the other ones as they sold out too quickly in most stores, as well as having other options more readily available most of the time, eg the 8.75 board of which I have lots now and really enjoy as my bigger all rounder.

I will have to check again, as a lot of places state the wb as 14.5 which is what I thought I measured, but even the sticker said 14.6 and I thought the tail was a little longer, but again will check when I have a minute.

Overall though, it skates like a wider version of my other 8.5 BBS boards, like my Black Label, so I think the dimensions add up really well. 

Too many options to choose now??



https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/cardiel-thrasher-862-skateboard-deck


Size   8.62
Width (in):   8.62
Length (in):   32.3
Wheelbase (in):   14.6
Nose Length (in):   7.0
Tail Length (in):   6.56

[Too Frank To Fred]

The 8.62, that’s often a Cardiel…

1. What’s actual width?

2. Nose/Tail: Round? Pointy? Full-ish?

3. Wb is actually 14.5?

4. How different is overall shape/lengths compared to 8.38/14.5?

There’s two 8.62s. The reg and the Cardiel. The reg is 14.75” with a longer tail. The cards I have, has a 14 5/8” wb not 14.5 and a shorter tail. The reg one is a pretty magic shape for me. Haven’t tried the Cardiel version yet. (In the stack though)

[Osage]

There’s two 8.62s. The reg and the Cardiel. The reg is 14.75” with a longer tail. The cards I have, has a 14 5/8” wb not 14.5 and a shorter tail. The reg one is a pretty magic shape for me. Haven’t tried the Cardiel version yet. (In the stack though)

 
  I'm on the 8.62 with the 14.75" and absolutely love it! Do you know how it compares to the 8.75" with the 14.62" Wheel base? Is it pretty similar? My local doesn't have any but there are just a lot more decks in 8.75 compared to the 8.62

[Sedition]

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There’s two 8.62s. The reg and the Cardiel. The reg is 14.75” with a longer tail. The cards I have, has a 14 5/8” wb not 14.5 and a shorter tail. The reg one is a pretty magic shape for me. Haven’t tried the Cardiel version yet. (In the stack though)

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  I'm on the 8.62 with the 14.75" and absolutely love it! Do you know how it compares to the 8.75" with the 14.62" Wheel base? Is it pretty similar? My local doesn't have any but there are just a lot more decks in 8.75 compared to the 8.62

Quick response (@Mbrimson88 I'll respond to your post later!): The 8.62/14.75 is one of my most hated DLX shapes. WB and kicks were waaay to long for me. IMHO, the 8.75/14.62 (as @Mbrimson88 will also say), is much more nimble and agile than the 8.62/14.75. That said, to each their own.

[Sedition]

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The 8.62, that’s often a Cardiel…

1. What’s actual width?

2. Nose/Tail: Round? Pointy? Full-ish?

3. Wb is actually 14.5?

4. How different is overall shape/lengths compared to 8.38/14.5?

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There’s two 8.62s. The reg and the Cardiel. The reg is 14.75” with a longer tail. The cards I have, has a 14 5/8” wb not 14.5 and a shorter tail. The reg one is a pretty magic shape for me. Haven’t tried the Cardiel version yet. (In the stack though)

Yeah, I hate the regular one. The Cards one is not seen around all that often, and I'm sort of curious about it, esp. if a true 14.5 wb.

[Too Frank To Fred]

Ah I see. Will report back. I suspect we have different tastes though… to me the regular 8.62 feels a bit like a popsicle version of the Huffer if that makes any sense… too long for some… but I like it a lot.

[Mbrimson88]

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There’s two 8.62s. The reg and the Cardiel. The reg is 14.75” with a longer tail. The cards I have, has a 14 5/8” wb not 14.5 and a shorter tail. The reg one is a pretty magic shape for me. Haven’t tried the Cardiel version yet. (In the stack though)

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  I'm on the 8.62 with the 14.75" and absolutely love it! Do you know how it compares to the 8.75" with the 14.62" Wheel base? Is it pretty similar? My local doesn't have any but there are just a lot more decks in 8.75 compared to the 8.62

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Quick response (@Mbrimson88 I'll respond to your post later!): The 8.62/14.75 is one of my most hated DLX shapes. WB and kicks were waaay to long for me. IMHO, the 8.75/14.62 (as @Mbrimson88 will also say), is much more nimble and agile than the 8.62/14.75. That said, to each their own.

I just happened to be online at that time, but it is what it is.

Comparing different shapes with different opinions from different skaters is always going to be a bit of a stir.


Getting up into anything over 14.5 wb is "vert board" territory for some people - I skate with a few guys who are big into their vert sessions, some of which have two boards, one just for vert and one for everything else, but a couple of them skate the same board for everything and it shows, eg might be really comfortable on vert ramps or big bowls, but it is very clunky on everything else, smaller park and street type terrain.

That said, the DLX 8.62 normal shape (14.75 wb) is a very long board, so is definitely good for taller people, or those who want a much longer wheelbase for everything.  I tried it with drilled in front truck on my DIY V8 type baseplates and it made it so much easier to roll around on, but that is beside the point.

The usual DLX 8.75 is more stubby and just feels a little easier to throw around, even though it is still a bigger board, 8.75 at the shoulder and tapers down under 8.6 towards the back, but the funny thing with that 14.6 wb is it really keeps things a little more compact.

The Cardiel 8.62 x 32.25 with 14.5 wb (yeah the info on it says 14.6 but it is definitely 14.5) is a way more "normal" board shape, comparatively speaking, so although I can put the same 159s on any of these, the same everything really come to think of it, this one feels the shortest and most nimble of all these options, closer to a big brother of the usual BBS 8.5 shape that is used for everything, eg 8.5 x 32.25 / 32.4 with 14.5 wb.  It really is almost the same in every way.

I think that is enough - I could go on and on, but maybe now more than ever it seems like it is coming out more frequently now as well.

The 8.62 on 159s does feel very normal to me, especially with normal size / shaped wheels too.

[Too Frank To Fred]

 I was hoping my Cardiel would be 14.5 but it’s  over. Not trying to argue. I’ve seen them listed as both 14.5 and 14.6 and mine is the latter. 14.5 would make more sense to make it different enough than the regular 8.62…

[Mbrimson88]

I was hoping my Cardiel would be 14.5 but it’s  over. Not trying to argue. I’ve seen them listed as both 14.5 and 14.6 and mine is the latter. 14.5 would make more sense to make it different enough than the regular 8.62…

It's ok.

I wonder if the China version is 14.5 and the BBS version is 14.6 cause both these ones - the Thrasher mag cover and the Old West painting are the same, which line up very evenly with the usual BBS 8.5 only the Cardiel boards are wider and a little more round in the kicks.  I was thinking I was going nuts so I put long bolts through all three of them with the BBS 8.5 in the middle.

Never a worry with different measurements too - they are skateboards, so it is just one of those things.

[Rick Trapasso]

Anyone know what the AH blue meanie measures at over the front/back trucks? Same question for the sardine too.

Edit: Looks like people are saying about 8.5 over front and rear for the blue meanie. Nothing on the sardine though.

[Mbrimson88]

Anyone know what the AH blue meanie measures at over the front/back trucks? Same question for the sardine too.

Edit: Looks like people are saying about 8.5 over front and rear for the blue meanie. Nothing on the sardine though.

Yeah Blue Meanie I ended up putting 149s on it with wider wheels and it worked better than 159s.


Sardine I think someone else had posted one with 144s on it / 8.25 trucks and normal width wheels like Spitfire 80HDs which seemed to work well, but I can't find it now.  139s / 8.0" trucks would be a bit too narrow, unless there were some fat wide wheels, like some cruiser type wheels, which is what I have on some other boards with big wide wheels to make things work.

* Edit: Could have mistaken a Sardine shape for something else though.  Thanks @intendedreceivers

[intendedreceivers]

Anyone know what the AH blue meanie measures at over the front/back trucks? Same question for the sardine too.

Edit: Looks like people are saying about 8.5 over front and rear for the blue meanie. Nothing on the sardine though.

Yeah 8.5s are perfect on the Meanie.

Sardine is about 7.75 in. over the front trucks and 8.0 over the back trucks.