Refugee crisis in Europe.

[Monty Burns]

And even with the economic situation and war (thousands of people killed) in some of those countries, you are shitting your pants because of the refugee crisis in Europe. That's irrational.

When a small fire breaks out in the kitchen you take steps to put that fire out . If you dont the fire will spread and burn the restaurant down
There is a pretty big fire in Sweden right now . Otherwise the most liberal country when it comes to refugees wouldn't have shut its border

Its not irrational . Most of Sweden agrees . Most of the EU agrees .


So, was that an order by the government? Are they forcing people to take in refugees? Are they kicking Swedes out of their homes and putting Syrians in their place?  You do understand the difference, right? Right? And I've already said why I don't answer all your questions. I'm not here to teach you how to think and argue. That's something that you need to work on irl with a specialist.

It was a suggestion of the government . And thats bad enough

What about the homeless in Sweden who dont get a spot in shelters cause they are already full of refugees ? what about the youth programs and homeless programs the Swedish government has come out and suggested cutting back on founds for ?

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You would let them into your apartment or house right away . How many of these refuges are you willing to move into your house ?

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This is the dumbest comment of them all, and it gets spouted a lot on the internet. I am for free education, does that mean I have to teach kids in my house? I am for free medical insurance, do I need to treat people in my house? No, I am paying taxes so that these services are available to all, and it's the government's responsibility to provide them.

So you do think its the governments responsibility . Does that mean you think the Swedish government has failed ?


yeah, that's why so many Americans have ancestors with various ethnic backgrounds. Because they refuse to mix with other groups.
And they're also very bad for the economy. Like this latest example: http://fusion.net/story/238682/the-miracle-of-little-bosnia/


Yes the USA refugee integration works so well that the Bosnians that came into the USA created a small area called little Bosnia ...

Kinda like those huge areas in USA where there are mostly mulsim immigrants and refugees , where people want sharia Law .
More great examples of a country where things are working out just great


I didn't say it's relevant to the discussion. I said it's probably the reason why you can't form an argument, and why your examples are bad and don't make sense. Also probably the reason why you're struggling with reading comprehension. Then there is the selective choice of sources regarding the refugees, mostly negative. We get it, you don't like refugees, but don't act surprised when people call you out for that.

You give me shit for things YOU dont think is relevant to the discussion and claim its part of the reason you dont want to answer questions I ask . Yet you contradict yourself by adding things your self dont think is relevant ?  fucking hell thats low

So this discussion is in english , and about refugees entering the EU , and abit about politics of the EU .

Spanish B  and Math D  .

I dont like Montys stance on the refugee crisis in the EU . It must be his lack of spanish B and math D classes !

it's probably the reason why you can't form an argument, and why your examples are bad and don't make sense. Also probably the reason why you're struggling with reading comprehension


You think The reason I cant form an argument , the reason my examples are bad and dont make sense . And the reason Im struggling with reading comprehension

Is my lack of Spanish B and Math D classes .

Holy shit man , All your arguments and ideas are invalid .  can you even tie your shoes without help ? . Are you using google translate or something ?  maybe thats why your examples are shit and arguments about my education makes no sense

Maybe you cant understand my examples and arguments because you didnt take Dance classes and woodshop

You are  much worse then Tufty , and he thinks Im a nazi and has threatened to rape me


For excitableboy

Monty, not sure if you actually mean everything you say. Maybe some of it is rhetoric. But if you don't think saying 'Sweden is turning into a third world country' is in extremely poor taste, I bow out.

Im just answering Alan back in as a crazy way as Alan is answering me back . I do believe the status of Sweden is getting worse and worse though . Instead of taking huge leaps forward we are definitely taking steps back

Like I said integration is a huge problem in Sweden . We need to stop the influx of people into Sweden until we can manage the people we have in here right now . Give them jobs , good places to live . Make sure they feel part of Sweden

[CigaretteBeer]

Damn Monty. You swedes were Vikings at one time. Now look at you. This is what happens when feminist start running our society. And all the white guilt that's been programmed into the modern white man. I now understand the need for guns and I'm very happy we can buy them and shoot Muslims in their rapist faces if they try to invade. The average gun owner owns 8 guns in America.

[CigaretteBeer]

[Alan]

Ill admit Im not the smartest guy , Im a high school drop out and theres alot of shit I dont get . Id just try to remind you guys again that this is just my opinion .

Even you think that being a high school dropout is relevant to this argument, apart from being dense, which you also admit. Sapienti sat.

[Tufty]

http://www.dw.com/en/nato-to-consider-request-to-help-turkey-with-refugee-flow-to-greece/a-19036476

[jonnysheen]

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I'm extremely embarassed by the way most Americans, despite being too uninformed to understand the impact this migration will have on the future of Europe (our key ally!!!), are more than happy to tell people in Europe who have different opinion, that they are wrong. If what is happening in Europe right now was happening in America, I guarantee more of you would be against such a destructive mass migration.

They should be kept out of Europe & if they ever start coming to this country I'll be right there fighting against them and anyone helping them.

Most Americans are too pacified to be able to fight for anything, so they lay down and pretend integration ever works, despite the fact that we've been unable to integrate even the few minority groups we do have in this country into our society fully (see BLM and NC La Raza and others). Good for you Monty!

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Anyone that thinks most Muslims are moderate peaceful people that will respect western values should watch this

He said that in the UK that x amount of muslims were 'radical' because they thought that charlie hebdo should be taken to court.    That's not radical, that's just using UK law.

[Tufty]

I was in UK for a job interview when this happened to my town. I arrived yesterday and I am now figuring out what actually happened and how I can help.


http://www.pappaspost.com/kavalas-response-to-the-arrival-of-1200-refugees-in-15-photos/

[Monty Burns]

Why did you bump this shit thread again ?

Theres been tons of murders , rapes , sexual assaults , riots , violent assaults , frauds from the " refugees "  And I didnt bump this thread

just let this thread die , like The EU  will die ...

[Tufty]

I dont give a fuck Monty, go kill yourself plz.

[Monty Burns]

I dont give a fuck Monty, go kill yourself plz.

nice nice , insults , threats of violence , rape threats and now you want me to commit suicide .

[jonnysheen]

i say bump this thread.  In the UK there's a referendum going on to leave the EU.  Its fear vs fear so a lot to play for

[Esquivel]

this thread, along with the one about the presidential elections is fucking depressing. its really sad to see skaters having flaming redneck opinions on extremely sensitive stuff. shame

[Tufty]

 Well I am suprised that there are no rape incidents or significant misbehaving by the refugees/immigrants in Greece despite the desperate situation after the closed borders. I may as well call bullshit on European right-wing media that want to produce a hostile enviroment for the unwanted foreigners. Well I get that there are no jobs for unskilled people in Europe and economy is bad everywhere because of their choices but being a cannibal and provoking people to do so for you, its not a civilised choice. Especially when your system fails because of your bullshit choices, like shipping jobs abroad in order to profit more and so much more.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/12/refugee-camp-baby-photo-prompts-greece-transfer-promise

[Monty Burns]

The police and government in Greece must be covering the rapes and murders up like Sweden was doing

Sweden had 3 murders by "refugees" in 6 weeks this year . multiple gang rapes , fights and riots . Theres a hunger strike going on at one refugee centre cause these poor " refugees " dont like the Swedish food they are getting

There was just a conviction of 3 boys who gang raped another boy in a field . Swedish Police in one city told the media and the city that Women should not go out alone at night and recommended they stay at home . There was over 6 random sexual attacks and assaults by men who didnt speak Swedish and men who spoke broken Swedish

Swedish police are quitting like never before , We need 3000 new cops to deal with the situation in sweden but more and more are quitting each day . They have told media they can not deal with other crime as refugee crime takes up all the time

Germany has had multiple rape / sexual assaults by the " refugees " . There was even a leaked police report from the police that said  Rape , Sexual assault , Assaults , robbery and other crime was on the rise by the refugees .

Austria has had numerous children raped and kidnapped in their swimming facilities . I think in one week I saw 6 articles of different cases

There was also the case where one Austrian got gang raped in her school by multiple "refugees"  with the school teachers not doing a thing and covering it up .

Belgium had one or more of their refugee aid helpers raped , and one murder if Im not mistaken ?

In the calais jungle in France , multiple celebrities went down to stage a protest and set up something to help the " refugees " they had to have security and eventually got hold up and robbed by they " refugees "  multiple camera teams and news organisation have been pelted with rocks , assaulted and robbed there . There was a news story just afew days ago about these refugees going around and stabbing other refugees . caught on camera


You have several articles with interviews of " Refugees " going back to their countries cause they didnt like it in Finland , Sweden and Germany . These poor poor people didnt like the cold , the food , the lack of jobs , or their living facilities  so they are going home again

But they are fleeing for their lives right ?


As for integration . Swedish news paper " Sydsvenskan" did a investigation about how many of these refugees will get jobs in the future .
70 % of refugees that have come into sweden have not gotten a job after over 10 years in Sweden . 10 fucking years and some of them dont even speak Swedish yet . And the rest of the 30 % who have jobs are sometimes state set up jobs where the government pays over half of the money and the company who hires them get tax cuts

Sydsvenskan also did a story today about the increase of hate crimes against swedish people . People attacked and targeted by people of foreign decent , Just cause they are Swedish

Sweden and Germany who have been the most accepting countries are changing its laws to make it easier to not turn away refugees . Sweden is also taking Germany to UN courts cause Germany is not accepting deported from Sweden

The UK might puil out of the EU largly thanks to this horrible situation , Schengen is pretty much dead . Multiple countries in the EU are fighting eachother about who should take in what number of refugees . Turkey is blackmailing the EU about the refugees

Greece is asking for more money for a third time cause they fucked themselves over again 

But yeah the refugee situation is under control , everything is fine right ?  its not a  invasion right ?

[iKobrakai]

Monty, all I can say is: your (gevernments) damn fault. As a refugee myself and having a father working as interpretor (at Migrationsverket, Ekobrottsmyndigheten, Polisen, Hov-/Tingsrätten, etc.) we have since 1999 been in contact with all these authorities. What we have learned is this:

1) You never deny additional economic assistance, no matter how ridiculus "the cause" is.
2) Every single fucker demands to live in Stockholm. Göteborg/Malmö tops.
3) Little to no incentives to get a job.
4) Automatic citizenship after 5 years. No tests at all.
5) You let peope get away with not working for decades.
6) "Family reunions" are granted without any requirements.

So what do you think is gonna happen if you allow this chaos for decades?

[Monty Burns]

Monty, all I can say is: your (gevernments) damn fault. As a refugee myself and having a father working as interpretor (at Migrationsverket, Ekobrottsmyndigheten, Polisen, Hov-/Tingsr�tten, etc.) we have since 1999 been in contact with all these authorities. What we have learned is this:

1) You never deny additional economic assistance, no matter how ridiculus "the cause" is.
2) Every single fucker demands to live in Stockholm. G�teborg/Malm� tops.
3) Little to no incentives to get a job.
4) Automatic citizenship after 5 years. No tests at all.
5) You let peope get away with not working for decades.
6) "Family reunions" are granted without any requirements.

So what do you think is gonna happen if you allow this chaos for decades?

I dont have to think about it , Im living in the fall of the country right now



Edit . I just checked the news . Big riot in a refugee center in sweden . More then 2 people to the hospital . Staff had to barricade themselves to keep themselves safe . Police and Ambulances there

I can post these "breaking news " about refugees killing , murdering , raping , sexually assaulting , robbing , rioting , all day .

[Tufty]

 To be more thorough no rape incident whatshoever, kinda hard to cover up something like that in Greece especially when half police votes for fascist golden dawn. I am amazed though that despite the large number of fascist cops in greek police the refugees seem to say that the police of FYROM and Bulgaria are way worse and that greek police is helpful. There have been ocassional riots because people sometimes fight each other to get food first and because of the lack of organization for the situation of closed borders here. Greeks despite the hardships make me proud as they proceed to give food,clothes and any kind of help to refugees and immigrants. Most of greeks are mad with the EU and not the poor people that fled war or destroyed economically countries. They mostly see their ancestors who fled wars in the refugees' eyes or their kids that went to north europe to get jobs.

 Also Europe cooperating with Turkish government that reportedly shuts down newspapers, arrests and kills citizens because they oppose erdogan's regime, kills Kurds and cooperates with ISIS is infuriating.  Let's not forget that many immigrants and refugees lived in Turkey for some years to get exploited by garment and textile factories by working illegally. Its a shame that Europe deports illegal/suspected immigrants in Turkey.

Monty keeps being a person fascist talking about invasion....

[Eric ricks]

Gnarly, europe is a mess

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Gnarly, europe is a mess

It's always been a mess, it's just a brand new mess now. Remember when the EU let Romania in?? LOL

[Eric ricks]

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Gnarly, europe is a mess

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It's always been a mess, it's just a brand new mess now. Remember when the EU let Romania in?? LOL

Yeah, Canada is a mess too. Its just less of a mess lol.

We got refugees coming in now too

[excitableboy]

By now I think we are forced to draw the conclusion that there is something about Sweden that attracts all of the most rotten 'refugees'. It's a puzzling phenomenon. The women there are famously attractive, so in a way they are provoking it. Though this doesn't account for the boy in the field, this is my best guess. Care to shine a light on this Monty? What makes Sweden so uniquely rapable?

[iKobrakai]

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Monty, all I can say is: your (gevernments) damn fault. As a refugee myself and having a father working as interpretor (at Migrationsverket, Ekobrottsmyndigheten, Polisen, Hov-/Tingsr�tten, etc.) we have since 1999 been in contact with all these authorities. What we have learned is this:

1) You never deny additional economic assistance, no matter how ridiculus "the cause" is.
2) Every single fucker demands to live in Stockholm. G�teborg/Malm� tops.
3) Little to no incentives to get a job.
4) Automatic citizenship after 5 years. No tests at all.
5) You let peope get away with not working for decades.
6) "Family reunions" are granted without any requirements.

So what do you think is gonna happen if you allow this chaos for decades?

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I dont have to think about it , Im living in the fall of the country right now



Edit . I just checked the news . Big riot in a refugee center in sweden . More then 2 people to the hospital . Staff had to barricade themselves to keep themselves safe . Police and Ambulances there

I can post these "breaking news " about refugees killing , murdering , raping , sexually assaulting , robbing , rioting , all day .

A bit dramatic, aren't we? Dont vote for bitch-ass Gustav Frigolit.

By now I think we are forced to draw the conclusion that there is something about Sweden that attracts all of the most rotten 'refugees'. It's a puzzling phenomenon. The women there are famously attractive, so in a way they are provoking it. Though this doesn't account for the boy in the field, this is my best guess. Care to shine a light on this Monty? What makes Sweden so uniquely rapable?

Dont want to sound like a redneck, but little, to no, punishement maybe* ? I got worse consequences for dealing a small amount of drugs than what you get for sexual assault**.

* I'm aware that hard sentences do not correlate well with crime prevention, but Sweden is notorious for their love of rapists.
** I know, Im a scum. I behave better these days.

[Alan]

Yeah, it's quite interesting how so many stories about criminal refugees in Germany and Austria are set in some small town or village, and then when they are investigated it turns out that they were made up. It's sad that this sort of fascist fear mongering still works today, when facts can be easily checked on the internet.

[excitableboy]

Dont want to sound like a redneck, but little, to no, punishement maybe* ? I got worse consequences for dealing a small amount of drugs than what you get for sexual assault**.

* I'm aware that hard sentences do not correlate well with crime prevention, but Sweden is notorious for their love of rapists.
** I know, Im a scum. I behave better these days.

Well, if you're aware of that, you just answered your own question. These muslims are foaming at the mouth, they don't care about sentencing. Ikea-jail beats the camps anyway. Maybe they should be given a herd of goats? I hear these people settle for cattle.

 

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On the bright side, Sweden hasn't gotten this much press since they invented dynamite.

[Eric ricks]

Yeah, it's quite interesting how so many stories about criminal refugees in Germany and Austria are set in some small town or village, and then when they are investigated it turns out that they were made up. It's sad that this sort of fascist fear mongering still works today, when facts can be easily checked on the internet.

I dont know man?

Even the police cheif in Ostersund spoke out about it. And women being advised to stay off the streets at night because its become too dangerous.

What would the reasoning be for this type of fear mongering?

[iKobrakai]

On the bright side, Sweden hasn't gotten this much press since they invented dynamite.

Your mama gets more refugee penis than all of Sweden does.

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Your mama gets more refugee penis than all of Sweden does.

Your mother is either lucky, or hiding something.. AFter all it's you not me living in the rape capital of Europe

Once proud vikings now taking it to the internet  Pretty sad state over there

[Sk.A.T.A.N]

Monty, all I can say is: your (gevernments) damn fault. As a refugee myself and having a father working as interpretor (at Migrationsverket, Ekobrottsmyndigheten, Polisen, Hov-/Tingsr�tten, etc.) we have since 1999 been in contact with all these authorities. What we have learned is this:

1) You never deny additional economic assistance, no matter how ridiculus "the cause" is.
2) Every single fucker demands to live in Stockholm. G�teborg/Malm� tops.
3) Little to no incentives to get a job.
4) Automatic citizenship after 5 years. No tests at all.
5) You let peope get away with not working for decades.
6) "Family reunions" are granted without any requirements.

So what do you think is gonna happen if you allow this chaos for decades?

I actually agree with you. I'm all about helping those people out but they have to be productive and helpful for the country they are coming in and not some burden to our economy. They need some help to start a life of course but thats it. At least in my country (Portugal) we have enough parasites living with workers tax money, we dont need more of this. If you dont do shit to deserve our help maybe it's better to go back to your country in ruins. Also we dont need to adjust our life to their traditions (like you see some of them demanding), thats the stupidest thing you can do.
I dont understand why they let the refugees choose the country they wanna stay. Its shelter they want or life with no effort??
Lots of refugees refuse to come to our country or other smaller countries, they just want to go to the rich ones (germany, sweden...). Other than that they can come and try to find a better life, no one deserves to go through a life of suffering and fear. I have no problems about refugees coming to my country, or my town, they just have to behave like us, civilized and peacefully (which i'm sure they would). Refugees welcome!!

...and Monty, i fucking hate you.

[Eric ricks]

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Monty, all I can say is: your (gevernments) damn fault. As a refugee myself and having a father working as interpretor (at Migrationsverket, Ekobrottsmyndigheten, Polisen, Hov-/Tingsr�tten, etc.) we have since 1999 been in contact with all these authorities. What we have learned is this:

1) You never deny additional economic assistance, no matter how ridiculus "the cause" is.
2) Every single fucker demands to live in Stockholm. G�teborg/Malm� tops.
3) Little to no incentives to get a job.
4) Automatic citizenship after 5 years. No tests at all.
5) You let peope get away with not working for decades.
6) "Family reunions" are granted without any requirements.

So what do you think is gonna happen if you allow this chaos for decades?

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I actually agree with you. I'm all about helping those people out but they have to be productive and helpful for the country they are coming in and not some burden to our economy. They need some help to start a life of course but thats it. At least in my country (Portugal) we have enough parasites living with workers tax money, we dont need more of this. If you dont do shit to deserve our help maybe it's better to go back to your country in ruins. Also we dont need to adjust our life to their traditions (like you see some of them demanding), thats the stupidest thing you can do.
I dont understand why they let the refugees choose the country they wanna stay. Its shelter they want or life with no effort??
Lots of refugees refuse to come to our country or other smaller countries, they just want to go to the rich ones (germany, sweden...). Other than that they can come and try to find a better life, no one deserves to go through a life of suffering and fear. I have no problems about refugees coming to my country, or my town, they just have to behave like us, civilized and peacefully (which i'm sure they would). Refugees welcome!!

...and Monty, i fucking hate you.

Basically how I feel about it too.

Monte is awesome though, I differ from you there. Also Tufty is amazing!