Prawn, you best protect ya neck.
RZA knows what's up
No problem , I enjoy wasting peoples time , just ask my ex GFs hehe
A: Do animals froth at the mouth every time ? dont think so , None of the bird predators or scavengers , none of the animals in the sea
And I doubt all lions do it every time they see meat Good point!
B: Humans can consume all meat and fish and bird raw . We eat raw fish and raw beef all the time . Main reason we dont eat pork and chicken raw is cause of parasites / bacteria . Animals who do can also get sick from this though ftfy: You eat (previously prepared) raw fish and beef all the time. Although you could argue that we need to prepare grains and tempeh etc. I could just go and eat an apple off of a tree, could you start eating a deer's corpse directly after you shot it? Anyway, this is probably a sub topic and is kinda diverting from what we were originally talking about. My bad, I was the one that brought it up.
C: Human teeth and nails are not maid to rip animals apart . But I have used my hands and arms to help take apart carcases See above
See this is where Darwin comes in . Survival of the fittest . Some people think this means only the strong survive , but thats not what he ment . Its who ever adopts to the situation the best survives .
Humans are not the top predators cause we are the fastest , strongest , biggest or most durable . We are the top predator cause we have our amazing brains . We can live in cold places cause we figured out clothes and how to build fires and shelters We also have amazing brains that let us discuss and contemplate complex topics such as ethics and morality and feel emotions like compassion and empathy towards other living beings
First humans ( or humanoids ) have been around for 100 thousands of years . We didnt survive that by trying to hunt animals with out teeth and claws . No we figured out how to make spears , knifes , axes . Taking flint and chipping off pieces and tying it to a stick to throw at a bigger animal . We eat meat raw , we figured out fire and how to cook it . We figured out how to trick animals into situations where we could trap them or ambush them We did, and I am in no way denying that. Compare that with your current lifestyle though. If our lifestyles have evolved this much over that span of time, then surely our diet should also evolve accordingly no?
What about wiping out mosquitoes to prevent malaria ? or wiping out grasshoppers so they wont effect our crops ? is that ok ? Obviously ensuring our survival as a species is of the up most importance to the human race. I'm not going to stand up for mosquito rights if we can prevent the outbreaks of life threatening diseases. Please tell me how cows, and the consumption of them, is threatening our species though. (Let's ignore the environmental impacts here, I brought them up down below...)
Pigs are just as intelligent as dogs Hence why I hate all "oh but it's a smart/ beautiful/ majestic animal" or "but it's my pet" arguments. What if a cow (with an IQ of 130 and the looks of brad pitt) is my pet?
If me and my dog got lost in the woods , starving and the only way to survive was to eat my dog , I would just starve . If it was a pig id be spit roasting that dude faster then dennis B skates . I'd probably starve in both instances but you never know what would happen once those primal instincts kicked in. What I'm saying though is that in this day and age they are very few people who live in situations where they have to make such decisions. If you are sitting behind a computer screen talking to me then I'm almost certain that you have literally millions of options when choosing what you will put into your mouth at any given moment in time. Welcome to 2016
. I guess my point was that if you say no more animal for food , then we would have to kill alot of animals and do nothing with them Maybe we could have one big final feast :p
THe hunter who won the bid , went to africa , paid , shot the rhino , and gave away the meat . His whole family needed police protection and he and his family received death threats every day . Does this seem right to you ? Not at all, but it seems like a bit of isolated situation in the grand scheme of things no?
Humans are the top predators , but we reached the inteligence where we dont have to hunt we can breed animals in smaller areas and avoid all the hunting . But now only a few people kill the animals for the masses , so we lost touch with the brutality of it .
I feel hunters and vegans should get along much better We've also reached the point where things like 'beyond meat' are popping up. If products like this are going to provide you with more nutrition/ protein than regular meat at a similar (or better?
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/11/the-best-burger-in-the-world-has-been-announced-and-it-has-no-meat-in-it-5493619/) flavour*, will you still cling to your beloved caveman diet?
As for vegan vs. hunters, I will agree with you to a point. Fundamentally though you are still going to want to kill animals whereas that is the very act we are opposed to. Yes, end of the day, hunter gets more respect from me. But who gets more respect out of you and me is not the issue here (at least in my eyes)-- respect for the animal and its right to live is
sidenote: I hate mock meats *vomits*
How long have humans been around ? 100k ? 400k ? or even longer . Its only now that we are turning vegan . Maybe the past 100 or 200 years ? In more ways its more natural for us to eat meat then not eat meat . You say that we are not top predators cause we cant catch a deer by running and catching it and tearing it apart with out teeth . But its our brain that gives us the option to be vegan the same as it is that we can build a bow and arrow to kill the deer . And it is your brain that has allowed you to evolve to this point of understanding. Basically my above point; evolution is constant, if we can evolve to the point where we can recreate bacon without harming an animal what will be your justification for hunting then? "Oh but it's more 'natural' for us to eat meat". It's also more natural for us not to sit at a desk for 8 hours a day but yet the majority of us go against that aspect pf nature no? Appeal to nature arguments are definitely used on both sides of the fence but let's not pretend for a second that modern society is how "nature" intended for us to live.
I do think cowns and pigs understand being in a slaughter house is bad , there must be some energy combined with the smell and what they see is that they understand they should not be here , they should run away and avoid this place . But do they understand this is where they will die ? If they do understand I do bet they would rather take the bolt gun then the chainsaw Yes, but we are kind of going round in circles (which is bound to happen anyway). Bolt gun ftw. Not killing the animal in the first place? double ftw
Something we haven't touched on here is the environmental impacts of factory farming though (and health issues too). Mom and Pop farms couldn't feed the planet due to the amount of land they need and current factory farming is killing the environment quicker than almost any other industry out there.
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