Author Topic: Origins of the Stalefish (Read 8849 times)

sizzle_chest · « **on:** April 14, 2016, 11:22:04 AM »

GONZ VS HAWK

http://skateboarding.transworld.net/photos/gonz-hawk-the-origins-of-the-stalefish/#VLcpLFKgWGZpuquM.97

"WARNING: LONG READ! TERMINAL SKATE NERDS ONLY."

SHARPSHOOTER · « **Reply #1 on:** April 14, 2016, 11:44:57 AM »

You ever do a fresh fish? Grab with the opposite hand.

Badmeaningood · « **Reply #2 on:** April 14, 2016, 12:27:42 PM »

I remember when people first started doing tail grabs they were captioned as fresh fishes?! Ahh, the inadequacy of memory...

Are you possibly thinking of the seat belt?

Nosferatu · « **Reply #3 on:** April 14, 2016, 12:29:29 PM »

So good. I taught English in France in 2011-2012. Had no idea some influential skate camp was held there 25 years earlier. They had the shittiest metal park on rough asphalt.

the_96 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 14, 2016, 01:14:02 PM »

http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/october-1987/

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I've had this photo burned into my memory since I was 14 and only now do I see it wasn't a proper stalefish. He grabs in front of his body not behind.

Saw Gonz do a stalefish in 1987 at the Westwood, NJ jump ramp demo. The Australia vert ramp photos must have occurred beforehand.

SHARPSHOOTER · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2016, 01:19:55 PM »

Grabbing with the back hand in front of your legs is a fresh fish (yes? no?)

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2016, 01:47:20 PM »

^roast beef, i think.

SHARPSHOOTER · « **Reply #7 on:** April 14, 2016, 01:53:03 PM »

Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on April 14, 2016, 01:47:20 PM

^roast beef, i think.

That's front hand in between the front of your legs

sms_b · « **Reply #8 on:** April 14, 2016, 02:31:07 PM »

this level of skatenerdery pleases me.

handsclapanin · « **Reply #9 on:** April 14, 2016, 02:49:23 PM »

Quote from: the_96 on April 14, 2016, 01:14:02 PM

http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/october-1987/

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I've had this photo burned into my memory since I was 14 and only now do I see it wasn't a proper stalefish. He grabs in front of his body not behind.

Saw Gonz do a stalefish in 1987 at the Westwood, NJ jump ramp demo. The Australia vert ramp photos must have occurred beforehand.

Wow! that brick quarterpipe channel is insane. wonder if that spot still exists.

LennyDLXSF · « **Reply #10 on:** April 14, 2016, 02:56:45 PM »

Quote from: SHARPSHOOTER on April 14, 2016, 01:53:03 PM

Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on April 14, 2016, 01:47:20 PM
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^roast beef, i think.
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That's front hand in between the front of your legs

I've always considered a Roast Beef as back hand in-between your legs, grabbing like a stale-fish.

We would call the same thing but with the front hand a 'chicken-salad' grab.. although I've never heard anyone aside from my 12yo skate buds say that.

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #11 on:** April 14, 2016, 03:05:42 PM »

I don't know if he invented them but Grosso rep'ed roast beef grabs pretty hard back in the time.

ADOLF SHITLER · « **Reply #12 on:** April 14, 2016, 03:07:55 PM »

that is a roast beef in the photo only thing i remember fresh fish from was that old ass cool boarders game on playstation and i dont know why i remember that

pabloalvarado · « **Reply #13 on:** April 14, 2016, 03:29:37 PM »

Quote from: LennyDLXSF on April 14, 2016, 02:56:45 PM

Quote from: SHARPSHOOTER on April 14, 2016, 01:53:03 PM
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Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on April 14, 2016, 01:47:20 PM
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^roast beef, i think.
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That's front hand in between the front of your legs
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I've always considered a Roast Beef as back hand in-between your legs, grabbing like a stale-fish.

We would call the same thing but with the frond hand a 'chicken-salad' grab.. although I've never heard anyone aside from my 12yo skate buds say that.

Jud Nestorkins · « **Reply #14 on:** April 14, 2016, 03:56:32 PM »

Woven though it's for snowboarding

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2016, 03:59:42 PM »

^wheres the 'thaipan' ?

Chavo · « **Reply #16 on:** April 14, 2016, 10:49:56 PM »

The name "stalefish" seems coincidentally close to the Stelmasky plant (roast beef grab with the front hand). They're both "stale" in truncated form.

There are videos from 1986 with Hawk landing gay twist stale grabs. I thought there was a consensus that Hawk did them first.

j....soy..... · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2016, 11:07:27 PM »

I thought roast beef was front hand....grossman was back hand cause Grosso was too fat to do a stale fish.....

256 Ply · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2016, 11:41:09 PM »

Here's the first documented picture of the grab as far as I can tell:
Hawk doing the Stale Gay Twist in Neil Blender's Aggrozone column in Transworld.

Didn't have a name at that point, the end of the caption reads:
"Here [Tony Hawk] does god knows what over the channel."

(Scan of TWS courtesy of The Chromball Incident.)

frontsideindy · « **Reply #19 on:** April 15, 2016, 06:55:51 AM »

Blast from the past - love that skatenerdery!

N.L. · « **Reply #20 on:** April 15, 2016, 08:16:46 AM »

Never seen this before. Thanks. Might be one of the best stalefish captured on film. Love the way he tweaks them back... My back hurts today.... shit...

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #21 on:** April 15, 2016, 09:50:46 AM »

^thats the fuckin one that I always think of (^ventures)

frontsideindy · « **Reply #22 on:** April 15, 2016, 10:08:08 AM »

The adiddas sticker... on since 30years..

handsclapanin · « **Reply #23 on:** April 15, 2016, 10:10:22 AM »

it's such a trip to think that just 30 years ago, you could invent a way to grab your board.
and compare that to what it takes to make a NBD nowadays.
the speed of the progression from '85 - '95 could never be duplicated.

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2016, 10:16:47 AM »

Absolutely^

j....soy..... · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2016, 05:13:24 PM »

Yeah it's nuts how they didn't think of grabbing that way....but I think it comes to how guys did airs....Ollie in was whack it was something Hawk did.....it'd be so weird to bump one grabbed early on a vert ramp.

I can see how it would have seen insignificant because gonzs looked better and Hawk did a 720 so who cares about a weird grab.

Kinda funny how bent the dude is on proving it wasn't Hawk.....

Iceman · « **Reply #26 on:** April 19, 2016, 11:50:27 AM »

Quote from: sms_b on April 14, 2016, 02:31:07 PM

this level of skatenerdery pleases me.

Ronald Wilson Reagan · « **Reply #27 on:** April 19, 2016, 09:16:44 PM »

That article was long on words and kind of short on details.

The Mess · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2016, 10:34:25 AM »

There's a follow up post for this article that just went up:

http://skateboarding.transworld.net/photos/origins-of-the-stalefish-follow-up/#Tpgd9cHfi8WooE9d.97

Getty · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2016, 02:02:00 PM »

So wait - who did it first?

I been down with the fish since 87ish. James Kelch was the first one I saw do one. At EMB in the 80s there were always a bunch of dudes posted up on the stage just doing different ollie grab variations (& usually street plants).

Author Topic: Origins of the Stalefish (Read 8849 times)

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