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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2016, 12:43:54 AM »
Why didn't someone use their hoodie or backpack to stop him?

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2016, 01:03:26 AM »
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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2016, 05:27:27 AM »
for all you non german speakers, the shooter on the roof in the video also says something about coming out of the mental hospital, it's a bit blurry, but the dude says something about having been in "stationäre Behandlung". it's not in the transcript because i guess it's hard to make out.


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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2016, 06:36:27 AM »
The Police in Munich did a press conference this morning and they confirmed that the shooter had no islamic backround but they found several  documents and books about columbine and other killing sprees. And that fucking guy lived in the same area as me, that freaked me out a little bit.
But I'm kinda glad that he was born in Germany, because otherwise the refugee situation here would have gotten from shitty to super fucking bad, with all the right winged assholes that are just waiting for a situation like this. One of the right winged partys , the AFD (Alternative For Germany) milked the shooting for there own goods and where talking about how bad islam is and the refugees all that yada yada yada, literally i don't know maybe 30 minutes into the shooting, something like that, without knowing anything.
 

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2016, 07:38:02 AM »
The right wing parties will still milk it, maybe just not as upfront in the mainstream media.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2016, 11:24:12 AM »
The right wing parties will still milk it, maybe just not as upfront in the mainstream media.

true , most media is calling it a German / Iranian shooter or just Iranian  . Rightwing  can use that

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2016, 12:18:56 PM »
yeah well, the austrian right wing leader called it a islamist attack, people jumped on the bandwagon, and now nobody even cares to read the news that chances are quite slim he actually was.

so yeah, the right is using attacks kinda like the IS. one side is claiming all attacks for them, the other side is blaming muslims for simply every little thing going wrong right now.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2016, 01:31:20 PM »
Even if he wasn't German, even if he was waving an IS flag. It seems evident that all these attacks are spurred on by media frenzy as much as any ideology possibly could. Senseless killing infamy has finally crossed the pond.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2016, 01:35:12 PM »
European racists do not really give a shit about facts or rational thinking, why would it change now?
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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2016, 02:30:42 PM »
about the dude being german/iranian one thing to note is that iran almost never releases one out of citizenship. if you're father is iranian, you are iranian citizen by default, no matter where you are born. so a lot of iranians living elsewhere never change citizenship or are forced to live with a dual nationality, if that is even a possibility. to become one nationality or the other, in the case of iranian double passport both countries have to agree.

i have a friend in his 30s that was born and raised here and he's still an iranian citizen. he doesn't speak any languages spoken there, nor was he ever in the country. he's only identifiable as iranian by his name and passport. he still has to get his papers straight every 6 months or so and is not allowed to work for the same wages because he is technically still a second generation refugee. if for some reason his papers expire or don't get renewed because he gets a new asshole supervisor, he can be flown out to iran, but not before he is put into jail for approximately half a year to detain him until his scheduled flight goes off. this sounds crazy but it is actually a complicated legal thing in his case and admittadly he did some shit in his youth that made the whole ordeal almost impossible now(if you fuck up in germany before you become german you might as well forget it, or keep it low for years and marry a german person and make kids so you're allowed to stay pretty much indefinetely as long as you remain married or in the relationship). but he should have been german in the first place.

you see unlike the u.s. that gives citizenship to you on the grounds that you are born on their soil, germany gives citizenship based on parent nationality. it was hard to become a german citizen for a long time and still is not that easy if you come from out of the eu, but being born here means nothing. so to actually even have a dual citizenship as an iranian in germany by default means one of your parents has to be german. some families have been staying in germany for three generations until one of them was granted a german passport, often only by marrying a german. i admit this is also due to some unwillingness amongst some immigrants to become german citizens, but most people that have been living here all their lives of course want the same rights at some point, assuming they were good law abiding citizens the whole time.

just to put the whole dual-nationality thing in perspective. now the guy also had a german passport which means he had a lot less problems than my friend. it's actually bizzare that he seems to have been some kind of german supremacist of iranian descent. to me it only shows that people that hate humanity and themselves will kind of adopt whatever crazy way of thinking they see fit to justify their actions before themselves.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2016, 03:01:29 PM »
about the dude being german/iranian one thing to note is that iran almost never releases one out of citizenship. if you're father is iranian, you are iranian citizen by default, no matter where you are born. so a lot of iranians living elsewhere never change citizenship or are forced to live with a dual nationality, if that is even a possibility. to become one nationality or the other, in the case of iranian double passport both countries have to agree.

i have a friend in his 30s that was born and raised here and he's still an iranian citizen. he doesn't speak any languages spoken there, nor was he ever in the country. he's only identifiable as iranian by his name and passport. he still has to get his papers straight every 6 months or so and is not allowed to work for the same wages because he is technically still a second generation refugee. if for some reason his papers expire or don't get renewed because he gets a new asshole supervisor, he can be flown out to iran, but not before he is put into jail for approximately half a year to detain him until his scheduled flight goes off. this sounds crazy but it is actually a complicated legal thing in his case and admittadly he did some shit in his youth that made the whole ordeal almost impossible now(if you fuck up in germany before you become german you might as well forget it, or keep it low for years and marry a german person and make kids so you're allowed to stay pretty much indefinetely as long as you remain married or in the relationship). but he should have been german in the first place.

you see unlike the u.s. that gives citizenship to you on the grounds that you are born on their soil, germany gives citizenship based on parent nationality. it was hard to become a german citizen for a long time and still is not that easy if you come from out of the eu, but being born here means nothing. so to actually even have a dual citizenship as an iranian in germany by default means one of your parents has to be german. some families have been staying in germany for three generations until one of them was granted a german passport, often only by marrying a german. i admit this is also due to some unwillingness amongst some immigrants to become german citizens, but most people that have been living here all their lives of course want the same rights at some point, assuming they were good law abiding citizens the whole time.

just to put the whole dual-nationality thing in perspective. now the guy also had a german passport which means he had a lot less problems than my friend. it's actually bizzare that he seems to have been some kind of german supremacist of iranian descent. to me it only shows that people that hate humanity and themselves will kind of adopt whatever crazy way of thinking they see fit to justify their actions before themselves.


a good friend of mine studies middle eastern politics, and he goes to iran every year for a couple of months, and he told me that there are a lot of iranian people who say they are arian "like" the germans, and the germans are brothers. which sounds absolutely insane. so maybe he was one of those people, in that case it would make a little bit more sense, but not really. at the end of the day he was "just" a troubled soul who needed serious help, but i am not defending his actions in any way. and after that pilot guy last year and now this i hope the discussion about mental health here in germany gets more open.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2016, 04:08:22 PM »
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for sure, mental healthcare is shit here imo. right now a good friend of mine is in a clinic, went there to get treated for depression and social anxiety and now is hooked on meds for paranoid shizophrenic people. feels a lot worse than before and hasn't had any therapy at all besides being on crazy high doses of tavor and haldol. it's heartbreaking to see her fucked up like this. she told me they didn't even ask what happened. she needs to get a therapist herself, all they do is make them sit around, getting fed mad amounts of pills, coffee and cigarettes to keep chill. this is just super fucked. i feel like you have to be careful what you tell your doc. often it seems they deliberately diagnose people with something more severe, then all they do is just shut them down completely. it would be different if there was an effort to actually make a therapy but mostly it's just eat pills and try to chill or you get fixated or put in the comfy room.

and i heard about that aryan kind of thing. i always thought this was perpetrated by the nazis, who thought they were descendent of the real indo-aryans, hypothetical white native race of somewhere between india and actually iran. i think the confusion is because (please anyone with real knowledge correct me if i'm wrong) there was a folk by the name of aryans that really are ancestors of modern iranian people and i guess there are some people in iran that think this is true and that they are the same. but the nazis didn't include iranians or indians into their fictious genealogy afaik but exploited the fact there was an undisclosed ancient folk called aryans. i think they actually claimed modern indians and iranians are not the true natives of their respective territories to stay consistent in their narrative.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2016, 10:28:40 PM »
European racists do not really give a shit about facts or rational thinking, why would it change now?

Im not sticking up for " europen racists " but you should prob not ignore / leave out the far left from that statement who are just as bad as the far right

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2016, 02:26:19 AM »
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1 guy shouldn't be able to injure 14 people... seriously, if you find yourself in a shitty situation like this, gather some people and fucking jump the guy. use a hoody, backpack or whatever to get close without being hit, then punch his face until he stops moving. then punch a lot more.
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i'm sorry but you have no idea what youre talking about. you really think rational thinkng comes into play when youre in a bus stop and someone starts chopping people up with an axe?
 not alot of people can think straight when shit like that goes down, most people run and try to save their\their kids life.
living in a place where attacks like that are fairly common in the last year you could tell that even in places where most people served in the army, or have some kind of security background, attacking the terrorist is not always the first thing you do if you dont have a gun on you. not saying it doesnt happen, a dude broke a guitar on an attacker here and stopped him and it happend a bunch of other times, but its rare. most people would run away.
Yeah I got no idea what I am talking about. I have 7 years in the Army... I have tried the whole improvised techniques against armed attackers and a lot of stuff works because you simply tangle their arms up or at least slow down whatever sharp/blunt weapon they have. The most effective one is of course a bunch of people (ie like a couple of those 19 injured), but anything works and someone has to start. Someone needs to start and others follow. Case and point? Those 2-3 US service members that fucking beat the shit out a guy with an AK on a train i Belgium/France or the people on Flight 93 using the foodcart.

There are 3 options in terms of reaction, and only fight or flight are acceptable. Freeze means that you severely lack brain processing power.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2016, 04:44:56 AM »
At ease, soldier. This was the important part of eranka's post: "not saying it doesnt happen, a dude broke a guitar on an attacker here and stopped him and it happend a bunch of other times, but its rare. most people would run away." He did not say it's impossible, just improbable that there would be someone who'd confront an attacker. And IMHO, I kinda trust an Israeli over a Norwegian when it comes to these situations.

Also, only 5 people were injured, the rest were admitted to the hospital due to severe shock.

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you should prob not ignore / leave out the far left from that statement who are just as bad as the far right

Sure, if you give me some examples where the far left distorted the facts. Herc already gave an example from the far right in this thread.


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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2016, 05:06:39 AM »
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European racists do not really give a shit about facts or rational thinking, why would it change now?
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Im not sticking up for " europen racists " but you should prob not ignore / leave out the far left from that statement who are just as bad as the far right

Oh, man, this is too good to be true! The hour is upon us, Monty has officially joined the "I'm not X, but..." troops! That's pretty interesting fact, considering the guy used to be feminist and even voted for Environmental Party. Not like the far right ever used a "slow but steady" strategy in the past...

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2016, 10:10:26 AM »
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Machete-wielding Syrian refugee kills woman and injures two other people in new German outrage
Syrian refugee went on a machete rampage in the city Reutlingen, Germany
He killed one woman and injured another two people in the random attack
The motive for the attack is unclear but the man did not have accomplices


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3705823/Machete-wielding-attacker-kills-woman-injures-two-new-German-outrage.html

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2016, 01:11:22 PM »
apparently it was a relationship thing.
no words of a terror attack.

but he was a foreigner, so yeah, sure.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2016, 01:38:56 PM »
apparently it was a relationship thing.
no words of a terror attack.

but he was a foreigner, so yeah, sure.

You sure ? all the Swedish and UK media is reporting Syrian refugee and random attack

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2016, 02:45:37 PM »
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apparently it was a relationship thing.
no words of a terror attack.

but he was a foreigner, so yeah, sure.
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You sure ? all the Swedish and UK media is reporting Syrian refugee and random attack
I'm not sure if you mean random, or if you're just one of those people that says random randomly, but the article you posted begins with...
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A Syrian refugee wielding a machete has killed a pregnant woman and injured a man and another woman in Germany before being arrested by police after he was run over by a man driving a BMW.
The attack happened in the south western city of Reutlingen near a doner kebab stand in a bus station at Listplatz Square in what has been described as a 'crime of passion'.
German media have been reporting that the motive for the attack in the city south of Stuttgart was unclear but the attacker and the victim both worked at the same snack bar.

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2016, 02:55:09 PM »
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apparently it was a relationship thing.
no words of a terror attack.

but he was a foreigner, so yeah, sure.
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You sure ? all the Swedish and UK media is reporting Syrian refugee and random attack
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I'm not sure if you mean random, or if you're just one of those people that says random randomly, but the article you posted begins with...
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A Syrian refugee wielding a machete has killed a pregnant woman and injured a man and another woman in Germany before being arrested by police after he was run over by a man driving a BMW.
The attack happened in the south western city of Reutlingen near a doner kebab stand in a bus station at Listplatz Square in what has been described as a 'crime of passion'.
German media have been reporting that the motive for the attack in the city south of Stuttgart was unclear but the attacker and the victim both worked at the same snack bar.
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i found this hilarious, but nice move by the driver!

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2016, 02:59:25 PM »
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apparently it was a relationship thing.
no words of a terror attack.

but he was a foreigner, so yeah, sure.
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You sure ? all the Swedish and UK media is reporting Syrian refugee and random attack
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I'm not sure if you mean random, or if you're just one of those people that says random randomly, but the article you posted begins with...
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A Syrian refugee wielding a machete has killed a pregnant woman and injured a man and another woman in Germany before being arrested by police after he was run over by a man driving a BMW.
The attack happened in the south western city of Reutlingen near a doner kebab stand in a bus station at Listplatz Square in what has been described as a 'crime of passion'.
German media have been reporting that the motive for the attack in the city south of Stuttgart was unclear but the attacker and the victim both worked at the same snack bar.
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Hmm nah its bad proof reading by me , I checked earlier post about it where it was said it was a terror attack against random people . And I posted that link without properly reading the article from DM

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2016, 05:03:39 PM »
And now a suicide bomber ?

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2016, 01:41:56 AM »
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Third German horrror in three days: Syrian suicide bomber blows himself up outside music festival, injuring 12, in 'Islamist attack' after he was denied asylum... but allowed to STAY in country
Suicide attacker died blows himself up outside packed wine bar and at least in Ansbach, near Nuremberg last night
The 27-year-old bomber, Syrian man who was denied asylum, was turned away from music festival containing 2,500
The blast left 12 people injured - three seriously - and is the third bloody attack on German soil in the past week



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3706063/Explosion-reported-near-Nuremberg-Germany-one-killed-newspaper.html

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2016, 09:17:53 AM »
It's like you have a fetish for hairy, strong-willed, aggressive men...

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2016, 01:48:07 PM »
It's like you have a fetish for hairy, strong-willed, aggressive men...

Its like you have a fetish for good looking chefs from Sweden . Its ok dude , its happend before . Just quit stalking me , its not gonna happen

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2016, 07:18:26 AM »
Did I miss any?

[14th July] - Tunisian Muslim massacres 84 (including ten children) by driving truck into Bastille Day crowds.
[16th July] - Moroccan Muslim stabs French mother and 3 daughters for wearing "shorts and t-shirts" at Alps resort. (8yr old daughter still on life-support with punctured-lung.)
[18th July] - Afghan Muslim launches axe and knife attack on train passengers in Wuerzburg.
[22nd July] - Iranian national shoots 10 dead in Munich.
[24th July, Afternoon] - Syrian Muslim hacks pregnant woman to death in Reutlingen.
[24th July, Evening] - Another Syrian Muslim migrant detonates suicide bomb in Ansbach.
[26th July] - Two Muslims butcher defenceless 92yr old French Priest in Normandy

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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2016, 07:49:35 AM »
Yeah, you missed the Japanese guy who killed 20 people the other day.
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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2016, 08:02:22 AM »
Did I miss any?

[14th July] - Tunisian Muslim massacres 84 (including ten children) by driving truck into Bastille Day crowds.
[16th July] - Moroccan Muslim stabs French mother and 3 daughters for wearing "shorts and t-shirts" at Alps resort. (8yr old daughter still on life-support with punctured-lung.)
[18th July] - Afghan Muslim launches axe and knife attack on train passengers in Wuerzburg.
[22nd July] - Iranian national shoots 10 dead in Munich.
[24th July, Afternoon] - Syrian Muslim hacks pregnant woman to death in Reutlingen.
[24th July, Evening] - Another Syrian Muslim migrant detonates suicide bomb in Ansbach.
[26th July] - Two Muslims butcher defenceless 92yr old French Priest in Normandy

i explained this already, maybe you wanted to write german nationalist of iranian descent, if the nationality is so important to you, which would be correct. a crazy person nonetheless, like all the others, but neither a refugee, nor an immigrant or islamist.
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Re: New Terror Attack in Germany
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2016, 08:07:03 AM »
all this stuff is horrifying, and i am sure that it will get a lot worse before it gets better. but i am also sure that simply kicking out every refugee and asylum seeker will do just as much good as banning all firearms. most of them get their stuff on the black market, and they travel under fake IDs. they will get into the country one way or another.

its also pretty disturbing how happily right wing sympathizers react to terror attacks. (equally disturbing how left wingers love it when it doesnt turn out to be a terror attack, but just a "regular" incident.)

i kept on hoping that society would work together to find solutions for this problem, as some do, with integrative projects and teaching "western" values but right now it seems as if the fear mongerers have won.

growing up in a europe that gradually became more and more united and open, its pretty heartbreaking having the prospects of future generations living in a completely separated and xenophobic world.