Refugee crisis in Europe.

[AnotherHardDayAtTheOffice]

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Maybe its because a far right party is  a second party in Sweden and government tries to satisfy the fascist self-preservation insticts of the Swedish voter. Well its cheaper and easier than accepting people and rebuilding the swedish social state for everyone..  

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I was gonna stay out of this until Paris happend

Most Swedish Parties including Far right , moderate right , socialist party , far left , christian party and smaller ones were for the closing of borders . The PM of Sweden went from "All can come" , to "None can come" . I personal hope he resigns

With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks .

Fuck you. That's exactly what Sverigedemokraterna, PEGIDA, Front National, and other right-wing groups all over Europe will be claiming in the days to come.

I think the time has come where you should ask yourself who you're siding with. I'm not sure you're even aware how far right you're standing right now (based on what you've posted in this thread).

[Monty Burns]

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Maybe its because a far right party is  a second party in Sweden and government tries to satisfy the fascist self-preservation insticts of the Swedish voter. Well its cheaper and easier than accepting people and rebuilding the swedish social state for everyone..  

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I was gonna stay out of this until Paris happend

Most Swedish Parties including Far right , moderate right , socialist party , far left , christian party and smaller ones were for the closing of borders . The PM of Sweden went from "All can come" , to "None can come" . I personal hope he resigns

With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks .

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Fuck you. That's exactly what Sverigedemokraterna, PEGIDA, Front National, and other right-wing groups all over Europe will be claiming in the days to come.

I think the time has come where you should ask yourself who you're siding with. I'm not sure you're even aware how far right you're standing right now (based on what you've posted in this thread).

Fair enough give me the options what sides I can choose .  Right now Im on the side of who ever will take their fight against AQ , ISIS and any other terrorist groups who wage war on " The west " . So I guess Im on the coalitions side .

When was the last Nazi terror attack ? i really dont know but when it happens lets fight the Nazis again , but for now lets focus on the muslim terrorists

[AnotherHardDayAtTheOffice]

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Maybe its because a far right party is  a second party in Sweden and government tries to satisfy the fascist self-preservation insticts of the Swedish voter. Well its cheaper and easier than accepting people and rebuilding the swedish social state for everyone..  

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I was gonna stay out of this until Paris happend

Most Swedish Parties including Far right , moderate right , socialist party , far left , christian party and smaller ones were for the closing of borders . The PM of Sweden went from "All can come" , to "None can come" . I personal hope he resigns

With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks .

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Fuck you. That's exactly what Sverigedemokraterna, PEGIDA, Front National, and other right-wing groups all over Europe will be claiming in the days to come.

I think the time has come where you should ask yourself who you're siding with. I'm not sure you're even aware how far right you're standing right now (based on what you've posted in this thread).

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Fair enough give me the options what sides I can choose .  Right now Im on the side of who ever will take their fight against AQ , ISIS and any other terrorist groups who wage war on " The west " . So I guess Im on the coalitions side .

When was the last Nazi terror attack ? i really dont know but when it happens lets fight the Nazis again , but for now lets focus on the muslim terrorists

What are you even talking about? What does this have to do with THIS quote? What does fighting ISIS have to do with refusing refugees?

With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks . [/b]

The last Nazi attack? Do attacks on refugee shelters count? If not, remember Breivik?

Two wrongs don't make a right. You're acting like it does though. By the way, you've picked your side already. You're not with "who ever will take their fight against AQ , ISIS and any other terrorist groups who wage war on " The west "",  you're simply with right-wing groups. Fuck you.

[Monty Burns]

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Maybe its because a far right party is  a second party in Sweden and government tries to satisfy the fascist self-preservation insticts of the Swedish voter. Well its cheaper and easier than accepting people and rebuilding the swedish social state for everyone..  

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I was gonna stay out of this until Paris happend

Most Swedish Parties including Far right , moderate right , socialist party , far left , christian party and smaller ones were for the closing of borders . The PM of Sweden went from "All can come" , to "None can come" . I personal hope he resigns

With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks .

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Fuck you. That's exactly what Sverigedemokraterna, PEGIDA, Front National, and other right-wing groups all over Europe will be claiming in the days to come.

I think the time has come where you should ask yourself who you're siding with. I'm not sure you're even aware how far right you're standing right now (based on what you've posted in this thread).

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Fair enough give me the options what sides I can choose .  Right now Im on the side of who ever will take their fight against AQ , ISIS and any other terrorist groups who wage war on " The west " . So I guess Im on the coalitions side .

When was the last Nazi terror attack ? i really dont know but when it happens lets fight the Nazis again , but for now lets focus on the muslim terrorists

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What are you even talking about? What does this have to do with THIS quote? What does fighting ISIS have to do with refusing refugees?

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With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks . [/b]

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The last Nazi attack? Do attacks on refugee shelters count? If not, remember Breivik?

Two wrongs don't make a right. You're acting like it does though. By the way, you've picked your side already. You're not with "who ever will take their fight against AQ , ISIS and any other terrorist groups who wage war on " The west "",  you're simply with right-wing groups. Fuck you.

Im not talking about refusing refugees , Im asking what kind of background checks , what kind of ID checks , what kind of personal property checks did we do on the  Refugees we let in  ? . You are a fool if you think accepting people in without any of this is a smart idea

These refuges  syrian / afghan  christians and muslims . How many of them are homophobes . how many of them are against feminists and women . How many follow their religion and want to behead children who want to go to school , stone adulterers . How many of them are ex taliban , ex ISIS ?  you have no idea

We caught Breivik didnt we and he is in jail . we are actively fighting Nazi terrorism . You think extreme right has a free pass ?

Stop lumping me in with some "team"  . This isnt some sport team , Im not with Real Madrid . I have left views and right views .

2 wrongs do make a wrong when you are dealing with psychopaths . Fucking religions are ruining this world . If you want to turn the other cheek thats your opinion but we have real problems with the extreme muslims , Turning the other cheek will get us killed

Stop making excuses for the extremists .

[KING TUT]

Monty you argued with logic this guy just called you a right wing asshole. you won.

If you can't see that background checking and security checks are necessary than you are just a fucking prick.

I'm a fucking person and i could work out that if i was apart of a terrorist organisation it would be smart for me to embed a few of my guys with the 100s of thousands or refugees crossing borders, so how the fuck is a multi million dollar terrorist organisation not going to work that out.

I don't know what the situation is with the border crossers, maybe they are thoroughly checked and checked twice maybe they're not, these are questions that still need to be asked. ffs.

p.s ANOTHERHARDONDICKRIDER we are all in this together , just because you have felt you needed to pick a side when it comes to that whole 'left and right' thing doesn't mean everyone else does, some people just like to make their decisions based on the circumstances and situations placed in front of them.

[AnotherHardDayAtTheOffice]

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Maybe its because a far right party is �a second party in Sweden and government tries to satisfy the fascist self-preservation insticts of the Swedish voter. Well its cheaper and easier than accepting people and rebuilding the swedish social state for everyone.. �

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I was gonna stay out of this until Paris happend

Most Swedish Parties including Far right , moderate right , socialist party , far left , christian party and smaller ones were for the closing of borders . The PM of Sweden went from "All can come" , to "None can come" . I personal hope he resigns

With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks .

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Fuck you. That's exactly what Sverigedemokraterna, PEGIDA, Front National, and other right-wing groups all over Europe will be claiming in the days to come.

I think the time has come where you should ask yourself who you're siding with. I'm not sure you're even aware how far right you're standing right now (based on what you've posted in this thread).

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Fair enough give me the options what sides I can choose . �Right now Im on the side of who ever will take their fight against AQ , ISIS and any other terrorist groups who wage war on " The west " . So I guess Im on the coalitions side .

When was the last Nazi terror attack ? i really dont know but when it happens lets fight the Nazis again , but for now lets focus on the muslim terrorists

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What are you even talking about? What does this have to do with THIS quote? What does fighting ISIS have to do with refusing refugees?

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With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks . [/b]

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The last Nazi attack? Do attacks on refugee shelters count? If not, remember Breivik?

Two wrongs don't make a right. You're acting like it does though. By the way, you've picked your side already. You're not with "who ever will take their fight against AQ , ISIS and any other terrorist groups who wage war on " The west "", �you're simply with right-wing groups. Fuck you.

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Im not talking about refusing refugees , Im asking what kind of background checks , what kind of ID checks , what kind of personal property checks did we do on the� Refugees we let in� ? . You are a fool if you think accepting people in without any of this is a smart idea

These refuges �syrian / afghan �christians and muslims . How many of them are homophobes . how many of them are against feminists and women . How many follow their religion and want to behead children who want to go to school , stone adulterers . How many of them are ex taliban , ex ISIS ? �you have no idea

We caught Breivik didnt we and he is in jail . we are actively fighting Nazi terrorism . You think extreme right has a free pass ?

Stop lumping me in with some "team" �. This isnt some sport team , Im not with Real Madrid . I have left views and right views .

2 wrongs do make a wrong when you are dealing with psychopaths . Fucking religions are ruining this world . If you want to turn the other cheek thats your opinion but we have real problems with the extreme muslims , Turning the other cheek will get us killed

Stop making excuses for the extremists .

Where did I make an excuse for extremists? Now show it to me. My whole point is that you're equating refugees from the Middle East with Islamist extremists. However, Islamism is the Middle Eastern version of fascism. Refugees from Afghanistan, Syria, and Iraq are fleeing from Islamist terror. The vast majority of them (and everyone I've spoken to so far) is against ISIS, Taliban, and other extremist groups. You can be AGAINST Islamism and PRO refugees at the same time. There's... like... zero contradiction there.

So you're talking about doing background checks on refugees' stance on women and homosexuality? Stone adulterers? Is that your image of Muslims?

Well, to a certain extent, we are picking sides in politics. This is not an all-you-can-eat buffet where you can combine freely. Especially not in a debate as important and as heated as this one. Moreover, your point is very clear. There's nothing "left" in your whole argument. Alan and others have already pointed out to you that your whole point is 100% right-wing. You're just not aware of it yourself. Nobody goes out and admits they're racist. It's part of right-wing rhetoric. You're acting like there's no debate with different positions. But there is. And you're on the right wing.

PS: German police actually has an idea about that. There were 10 suspects for extremist activity among refugees last year. 10... Suspects... Numbers show that refugees are not more likely than Germans to commit crimes. In fact, refugees from the Middle East are underrepresented in crime statistics. The police published these numbers about a week ago. This article is from one of the most respected German newspapers and just came out yesterday (it's all in German though). I'm not bullshitting. I'm not naive either.

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/fluechtlingskrise-bka-stellt-steigende-kriminalitaet-fest-vor-allem-von-rechts-a-1062661.html

[AnotherHardDayAtTheOffice]

Monty you argued with logic this guy just called you a right wing asshole. you won.

If you can't see that background checking and security checks are necessary than you are just a fucking prick.

I'm a fucking person and i could work out that if i was apart of a terrorist organisation it would be smart for me to embed a few of my guys with the 100s of thousands or refugees crossing borders, so how the fuck is a multi million dollar terrorist organisation not going to work that out.

I don't know what the situation is with the border crossers, maybe they are thoroughly checked and checked twice maybe they're not, these are questions that still need to be asked. ffs.

p.s ANOTHERHARDONDICKRIDER we are all in this together , just because you have felt you needed to pick a side when it comes to that whole 'left and right' thing doesn't mean everyone else does, some people just like to make their decisions based on the circumstances and situations placed in front of them.

I never said I was againts background checks. Actually, everyone gets a background check when they're filing their asylum request.

You think a multi-million terrorist organisation is sending their guys on a dangerous, multi-week hike across Europe? There's hundreds of Europeans who joined ISIS. They have passports and all. They're free to enter any plane they want.

The whole point is that right-wing groups will use the Paris incident against refugees. Where yesterday's terrorists refugees? Is there any hint that they entered France together with other refugees? So why do you assume that letting in refugees means letting in terrorists?

[Alan]

I agree that it's complicated, but I am also pretty sure that none of this would be happening without Western involvement in the ME, or at least with this kind of involvement.

[KING TUT]

Monty

With paris now , I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks .

ANOTHERHARDDAY

"Fuck you. That's exactly what Sverigedemokraterna, PEGIDA, Front National, and other right-wing groups all over Europe will be claiming in the days to come.

I think the time has come where you should ask yourself who you're siding with. I'm not sure you're even aware how far right you're standing right now (based on what you've posted in this thread)"


why is this such a horrible question to ask? if you don't know the answer to the question why is it so wrong to come on a messageboard and ask this question?
Asking this question doesn't mean he is a right wing nazi that is trying to spread an agenda it means he is asking a valid fucking question he wants an answer too. you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

AS MANY REFUGEES SHOULD BE LET IN AS THEY CAN. AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

ANOTHERHARDDAY

"The whole point is that right-wing groups will use the Paris incident against refugees. Where yesterday's terrorists refugees? Is there any hint that they entered France together with other refugees? So why do you assume that letting in refugees means letting in terrorists?"

yeah i know.

i don't, i'd like to know if their potentially was any terrorists / ex terrorists , among refugees in these countries.

 ANOTHERHARDDAY

 "German police actually has an idea about that. There were 10 suspects for extremist activity among refugees last year. 10... Suspects... Numbers show that refugees are not more likely than Germans to commit crimes. In fact, refugees from the Middle East are underrepresented in crime statistics. The police published these numbers about a week ago. This article is from one of the most respected German newspapers and just came out yesterday (it's all in German though). I'm not bullshitting. I'm not naive either. "

dude why didn't you just say that to the original question...

[excitableboy]

Terror can happen anywhere, but it is no coincidence it happened in France again. ISIS knows it will yield the best results in France, their goal of course being to polarise. They even announced they were sending terrorists among the refugees, and it doesn't even matter if it is true as long as it scares people. The banlieus of Paris have large area's that are more or less no-go. Kalashnikov ammo is easily found there as I understand it. Paris has neglected this problem for too long, even after Hebdo. For England and other countries it is also much easier to do, because they don't have nearly as many muslims. What's more is that many of the Parisian suburbs are inhabited by people who live in straight poverty. Plenty of misguided youth there who want to play their twisted version of Robin Hood. ISIS certainly don't need to send more radicals.
   We have our own right-wing nutter here, Wilders, who tastefully tweeted within hours of yesterday's attacks that the PM was being naive and exposing the people to the dangers of refugees. We get the government we deserve so I suppose many people were happy to hear it. He's the biggest in the polls too. I might actually have to go out and vote this time.

[jonnysheen]

Apparently the politicians are looking into getting rid of the Schengen agreement now.   So in one way the terrorists have won a battle.   There dividing europe up slowly,  refugees will have to apply to be let in the EU first rather than just travelling there. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

[Monty Burns]

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Monty you argued with logic this guy just called you a right wing asshole. you won.

If you can't see that background checking and security checks are necessary than you are just a fucking prick.

I'm a fucking person and i could work out that if i was apart of a terrorist organisation it would be smart for me to embed a few of my guys with the 100s of thousands or refugees crossing borders, so how the fuck is a multi million dollar terrorist organisation not going to work that out.

I don't know what the situation is with the border crossers, maybe they are thoroughly checked and checked twice maybe they're not, these are questions that still need to be asked. ffs.

p.s ANOTHERHARDONDICKRIDER we are all in this together , just because you have felt you needed to pick a side when it comes to that whole 'left and right' thing doesn't mean everyone else does, some people just like to make their decisions based on the circumstances and situations placed in front of them.

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I never said I was againts background checks. Actually, everyone gets a background check when they're filing their asylum request.

You think a multi-million terrorist organisation is sending their guys on a dangerous, multi-week hike across Europe? There's hundreds of Europeans who joined ISIS. They have passports and all. They're free to enter any plane they want.

The whole point is that right-wing groups will use the Paris incident against refugees. Where yesterday's terrorists refugees? Is there any hint that they entered France together with other refugees? So why do you assume that letting in refugees means letting in terrorists?

Everybody gets a background check when they are filing for asylum , but not everybody is seeking asylum , Some are just moving between countries . And even if they check it , how long will it take ? how backed up is the system ? how accurate is the system ? who
are you checking with in Syria and Afghanistan ? its not as accurate system as in most Euro countries

This seems exactly what happened . Many media are reporting the people who did this went through Greece and came to Europe as refugees . You say why send them on a dangerous journey to Europe ?  Dangerous ? they blew themselves up in a concert hall ? you think they are scared of boats ? they think they are on a holy mission with heaven if they die

From a Swedish standpoint I can say most Iran , Iraq , Afghans in Sweden were refugees from the start even if they are Swedish now . If some of the terrorists in Paris were from Paris . I would assume they were refugees at one point in time , or their parents aswell


Europe is a easy target . borders almost none existent . Its a great thing for humanity , but horrible for being attacked

[Alan]

Apparently the politicians are looking into getting rid of the Schengen agreement now.   So in one way the terrorists have won a battle.   There dividing europe up slowly,  refugees will have to apply to be let in the EU first rather than just travelling there. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

They say it's because of the attacks, but I bet it's because of the refugees. A nice alibi to turn away those who are fleeing war.

I would assume they were refugees at one point in time , or their parents aswell

Or maybe even their grandparents. What's your point? Should we expel all "others" because a tiny percentage become terrorists?

[AnotherHardDayAtTheOffice]

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Monty you argued with logic this guy just called you a right wing asshole. you won.

If you can't see that background checking and security checks are necessary than you are just a fucking prick.

I'm a fucking person and i could work out that if i was apart of a terrorist organisation it would be smart for me to embed a few of my guys with the 100s of thousands or refugees crossing borders, so how the fuck is a multi million dollar terrorist organisation not going to work that out.

I don't know what the situation is with the border crossers, maybe they are thoroughly checked and checked twice maybe they're not, these are questions that still need to be asked. ffs.

p.s ANOTHERHARDONDICKRIDER we are all in this together , just because you have felt you needed to pick a side when it comes to that whole 'left and right' thing doesn't mean everyone else does, some people just like to make their decisions based on the circumstances and situations placed in front of them.

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I never said I was againts background checks. Actually, everyone gets a background check when they're filing their asylum request.

You think a multi-million terrorist organisation is sending their guys on a dangerous, multi-week hike across Europe? There's hundreds of Europeans who joined ISIS. They have passports and all. They're free to enter any plane they want.

The whole point is that right-wing groups will use the Paris incident against refugees. Where yesterday's terrorists refugees? Is there any hint that they entered France together with other refugees? So why do you assume that letting in refugees means letting in terrorists?

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Everybody gets a background check when they are filing for asylum , but not everybody is seeking asylum , Some are just moving between countries . And even if they check it , how long will it take ? how backed up is the system ? how accurate is the system ? who
are you checking with in Syria and Afghanistan ? its not as accurate system as in most Euro countries

This seems exactly what happened . Many media are reporting the people who did this went through Greece and came to Europe as refugees . You say why send them on a dangerous journey to Europe ?  Dangerous ? they blew themselves up in a concert hall ? you think they are scared of boats ? they think they are on a holy mission with heaven if they die

From a Swedish standpoint I can say most Iran , Iraq , Afghans in Sweden were refugees from the start even if they are Swedish now . If some of the terrorists in Paris were from Paris . I would assume they were refugees at one point in time , or their parents aswell


Europe is a easy target . borders almost none existent . Its a great thing for humanity , but horrible for being attacked

First of all, I wanna apologize for calling you names yesterday. I was getting a little heated as a result of the attacks. I'm not sure about Sweden, but over here in Germany the debate is extremely controversial. Especially where I live (Dresden). When you posted in the "refugee" thread not even 24 hours after the Paris attacks and called for a stricter policy, I was getting really pissed. Because that's exactly what I'm afraid will be happening in Europe now. Sorry for that. I've always liked you as a poster. I still don't agree with you over the refugee debate, but I guess that's fair enough

As far as ISIS fighters among the refugees are concerned... my point was that ISIS will find a way to smuggle their guys into Europe no matter what. As said, a lot of them have EU passports and, unless there's a warrant on them, they can get into Europe the quickly, safely, and easily. Being hard on refugees probably won't change much in that respect. However, this will very likely affect refugees negatively and I'm against mixing up refugees, Muslims in general, and Islamists.

I'm not entirely sure what the status quo is, but I just read that 7 out of 8 terrorists were French/Belgian and the other had a fake Syrian passport that was placed strategically so that the authorities find it. We'll see what all that is about. Right now, there still seems to be a lot of confusion.

[Monty Burns]

Its all good dude . Most important is that even if we dont agree on things we can still have a discussion about things without calling names and violence . While I have some "right side" views , Im actually more to the left and most def not a nazi

I have a palestinian friend who voted for Fi ( feminist party ) and we talk / argue all the time over Israel and Palestine and many other issues  , but we always end on a friendly note and have a beer over it

[Garth Marenghi]

Kind of rinsing the subject but still want to chime in.

ISIS is a well funded terrorist establishment and assumably already has cells operating in European countries (coaxing people into joining them amongst other things?). Given that their operations are well organised enough to be able to perform terrible acts like the one in Paris, I'm left somewhat confused about this claim of them traveling into Europe amidst the refugees. Can someone explain why such a risky way of transportation would be considered practical? If I understand correctly it isn't exactly a safe bet to get to your destination. They're not scared of dying on the way sure, but what would be the odds of finishing a designated task successfully?

Guess I'll be in the wrong to assume anything if that passport found on the scene is legit.

Monty:

"I kinda wanna know how many muslims were let into europe without background checks , or even luggage / backpack checks ."

Surely you don't think people committing these acts are traveling through borders with bundles of explosives in their backpacks? You're painting a very naive and caricature picture of a terrorist if you do.

"From a Swedish standpoint I can say most Iran , Iraq , Afghans in Sweden were refugees from the start even if they are Swedish now . If some of the terrorists in Paris were from Paris . I would assume they were refugees at one point in time , or their parents as well."

Your point being? Refugees (or their children) in general can eventually turn into terrorists? Can you give a ballpark estimate in numbers while you're at it?

[Monty Burns]

I would assume they could be carrying anything from documents , weapons , information , orders or messages . Given their importance in religion . It could just be the importance of having people from official ISIS coming to join the fight in Europe . Or people trying to escape ISIS and hide by refuges . Maybe cell leaders from Syria coming to Europe talking about how great everything is going over there .

I would imagine with government agencys like the NSA , delivering orders person to person is safer now

As for the other thing . I dont actually remember what my point was . I guess something along the lines of people who are born in country getting radicalized by other people in country . In this case , people escaping war , staying in another country and then turning against that country

[excitableboy]

I would assume they could be carrying anything from documents , weapons , information , orders or messages . Given their importance in religion . It could just be the importance of having people from official ISIS coming to join the fight in Europe . Or people trying to escape ISIS and hide by refuges . Maybe cell leaders from Syria coming to Europe talking about how great everything is going over there .

I would imagine with government agencys like the NSA , delivering orders person to person is safer now

As for the other thing . I dont actually remember what my point was . I guess something along the lines of people who are born in country getting radicalized by other people in country . In this case , people escaping war , staying in another country and then turning against that country

You're point was moot so maybe that is why you forgot it. ISIS actually announced weeks ago that they would send terrorists among refugees. They only do that to make people fear refugees, the great unknown enemy, to fear in general. But it looks like those terrorists were very much French nationals. And it is not so likely their parents or grandparents were refugees at all. France invited most of its immigrants when they needed workers.

[Monty Burns]

Swedish paper had a article today that 100s of refugees are disappearedin Sweden . With the new boarder controls you are supposed to seek asylum and get processed ( fingerprints , IDs , background checks ) but they say they cant be everywhere and 100s have entered the country and just disappeared

Theres been reports of fake passports being used in sweden and with the paris attacks

[Julz]

The countries involved in the Syrian/Iraq war should be the ones taking the major sum of the refugies... It's kinda fucked up when you see that Greece and Italy, two countries with alot of problems, also have to deal with the refugie crisis, when they weren't involved in those war. If the USA wouldn't stir every bowl of shit to prove their *failed* hegemonic force to the world, this whole situation wouldn't be where it's at now.

[excitableboy]

Swedish paper had a article today that 100s of refugees are disappearedin Sweden . With the new boarder controls you are supposed to seek asylum and get processed ( fingerprints , IDs , background checks ) but they say they cant be everywhere and 100s have entered the country and just disappeared

Theres been reports of fake passports being used in sweden and with the paris attacks

Yes Sweden is a mess right now, we've established that. But what are you saying, those 100s must have IS connections? You're just not making much sense. It is likely that people are roaming illegally, as they may know people who already live here and the alternative is waiting it out in some gym for months on end. I don't know, that is just my speculation off the top of my head. Maybe you are right and they turn out to be terrorists, all. But for now it is absurd to suppose that. 

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Swedish paper had a article today that 100s of refugees are disappearedin Sweden . With the new boarder controls you are supposed to seek asylum and get processed ( fingerprints , IDs , background checks ) but they say they cant be everywhere and 100s have entered the country and just disappeared

Theres been reports of fake passports being used in sweden and with the paris attacks

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Yes Sweden is a mess right now, we've established that. But what are you saying, those 100s must have IS connections? You're just not making much sense. It is likely that people are roaming illegally, as they may know people who already live here and the alternative is waiting it out in some gym for months on end. I don't know, that is just my speculation off the top of my head. Maybe you are right and they turn out to be terrorists, all. But for now it is absurd to suppose that. 

Well it was more a comment and update on the situation we were talking about before about not knowing who is coming into the country. Im not saying all are terrorist , but we should know who everybody is

As for the highlighted part , Yes we have , but I live there , and its valid to bring up 1 country , specialy if you live in that country . Cant just talk about all of europe . should be able to comment on 1 country without being told you know it .

And for another update , Swedish police / secret service just had a press conference they are looking for some special people who have made it across the border .

Think it was a day or 2 ago but 2 papers reported Belgium and Sweden had been hot spots for ISIS recruiting and about 200 people had left from Swe and Bel had left for syria . some are coming back to their origin countries . Really baffled how you can grow up in countries like these and turn extremist . We have so much freedom , free speech , free religion , great schools and healthcare . And still they grow up to hate us . wtf ...

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Swedish paper had a article today that 100s of refugees are disappearedin Sweden . With the new boarder controls you are supposed to seek asylum and get processed ( fingerprints , IDs , background checks ) but they say they cant be everywhere and 100s have entered the country and just disappeared

Theres been reports of fake passports being used in sweden and with the paris attacks

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Yes Sweden is a mess right now, we've established that. But what are you saying, those 100s must have IS connections? You're just not making much sense. It is likely that people are roaming illegally, as they may know people who already live here and the alternative is waiting it out in some gym for months on end. I don't know, that is just my speculation off the top of my head. Maybe you are right and they turn out to be terrorists, all. But for now it is absurd to suppose that. 

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Well it was more a comment and update on the situation we were talking about before about not knowing who is coming into the country. Im not saying all are terrorist , but we should know who everybody is

As for the highlighted part , Yes we have , but I live there , and its valid to bring up 1 country , specialy if you live in that country . Cant just talk about all of europe . should be able to comment on 1 country without being told you know it .

And for another update , Swedish police / secret service just had a press conference they are looking for some special people who have made it across the border .

Think it was a day or 2 ago but 2 papers reported Belgium and Sweden had been hot spots for ISIS recruiting and about 200 people had left from Swe and Bel had left for syria . some are coming back to their origin countries . Really baffled how you can grow up in countries like these and turn extremist . We have so much freedom , free speech , free religion , great schools and healthcare . And still they grow up to hate us . wtf ...

When you realize the West is total bullshit its understandable. Understand the radicals think we're the real terrorists, which is kinda true.. Our women dress like they're for sale, we eat like fucking pigs and rape other countries for oil and other valuable commodities. Meanwhile our leaders are corrupt as hell, outsource work to slave conditions, steal their oil, kill innocent families, bomb villages and somehow they're the terrorists? Most of them don't even have shoes..

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Swedish paper had a article today that 100s of refugees are disappearedin Sweden . With the new boarder controls you are supposed to seek asylum and get processed ( fingerprints , IDs , background checks ) but they say they cant be everywhere and 100s have entered the country and just disappeared

Theres been reports of fake passports being used in sweden and with the paris attacks

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Yes Sweden is a mess right now, we've established that. But what are you saying, those 100s must have IS connections? You're just not making much sense. It is likely that people are roaming illegally, as they may know people who already live here and the alternative is waiting it out in some gym for months on end. I don't know, that is just my speculation off the top of my head. Maybe you are right and they turn out to be terrorists, all. But for now it is absurd to suppose that.�

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Well it was more a comment and update on the situation we were talking about before about not knowing who is coming into the country. Im not saying all are terrorist , but we should know who everybody is

As for the highlighted part , Yes we have , but I live there , and its valid to bring up 1 country , specialy if you live in that country . Cant just talk about all of europe . should be able to comment on 1 country without being told you know it .

And for another update , Swedish police / secret service just had a press conference they are looking for some special people who have made it across the border .

Think it was a day or 2 ago but 2 papers reported Belgium and Sweden had been hot spots for ISIS recruiting and about 200 people had left from Swe and Bel had left for syria . some are coming back to their origin countries . Really baffled how you can grow up in countries like these and turn extremist . We have so much freedom , free speech , free religion , great schools and healthcare . And still they grow up to hate us . wtf ...

Guess that was a little bitchy of me. I guess I'm tired of hearing people saying they should close the borders, perpetuating some illusion that we'll be safe then, that we can be completely safe at all. I know that's not you so my bad.

I'm not sure about Sweden, unfortunately have never been there so I can't comment on it. Say fifteen years ago I would say I'm surprised about the Netherlands, but not anymore. To put it briefly, over that time our bland, toothless political climate has allowed nutty right wing populism to foster. Hell, lower class people are so jaded, I bet even the native, white people among them would love to radicalise if something came up to voice their sulky dissatisfaction about life in general. Come to think of it, all of the militant reactions I've read these last days suggest their creed is xenophobia, and they are starting some dumb white jihad all their own. As for Belgium, I take it you've never been to Bruxelles. The capital of Europe is a half slum.

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Swedish paper had a article today that 100s of refugees are disappearedin Sweden . With the new boarder controls you are supposed to seek asylum and get processed ( fingerprints , IDs , background checks ) but they say they cant be everywhere and 100s have entered the country and just disappeared

Theres been reports of fake passports being used in sweden and with the paris attacks

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Yes Sweden is a mess right now, we've established that. But what are you saying, those 100s must have IS connections? You're just not making much sense. It is likely that people are roaming illegally, as they may know people who already live here and the alternative is waiting it out in some gym for months on end. I don't know, that is just my speculation off the top of my head. Maybe you are right and they turn out to be terrorists, all. But for now it is absurd to suppose that. 

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Well it was more a comment and update on the situation we were talking about before about not knowing who is coming into the country. Im not saying all are terrorist , but we should know who everybody is

As for the highlighted part , Yes we have , but I live there , and its valid to bring up 1 country , specialy if you live in that country . Cant just talk about all of europe . should be able to comment on 1 country without being told you know it .

And for another update , Swedish police / secret service just had a press conference they are looking for some special people who have made it across the border .

Think it was a day or 2 ago but 2 papers reported Belgium and Sweden had been hot spots for ISIS recruiting and about 200 people had left from Swe and Bel had left for syria . some are coming back to their origin countries . Really baffled how you can grow up in countries like these and turn extremist . We have so much freedom , free speech , free religion , great schools and healthcare . And still they grow up to hate us . wtf ...

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When you realize the West is total bullshit its understandable. Understand the radicals think we're the real terrorists, which is kinda true.. Our women dress like they're for sale, we eat like fucking pigs and rape other countries for oil and other valuable commodities. Meanwhile our leaders are corrupt as hell, outsource work to slave conditions, steal their oil, kill innocent families, bomb villages and somehow they're the terrorists? Most of them don't even have shoes..

'The western military leaders and politicians are raping our lands and killing our people, i know, how about we kill 150 kids from a trendy hipster neighbourhood in paris'

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 The muslim Nazi version is killing our kids. Let's be the christian-atheist Nazi version and deprive refugees a peaceful life and let em rot at some concentration camps or drown in the sea or go back to war which is 1000000 times worse than the situation in Paris. 

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The muslim Nazi version is killing our kids. Let's be the christian-atheist Nazi version and deprive refugees a peaceful life and let em rot at some concentration camps or drown in the sea or go back to war which is 1000000 times worse than the situation in Paris. 

Starting to think you are a troll account of tracer dude . And I mean that in the nicest way

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Swedish paper had a article today that 100s of refugees are disappearedin Sweden . With the new boarder controls you are supposed to seek asylum and get processed ( fingerprints , IDs , background checks ) but they say they cant be everywhere and 100s have entered the country and just disappeared

Theres been reports of fake passports being used in sweden and with the paris attacks

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Yes Sweden is a mess right now, we've established that. But what are you saying, those 100s must have IS connections? You're just not making much sense. It is likely that people are roaming illegally, as they may know people who already live here and the alternative is waiting it out in some gym for months on end. I don't know, that is just my speculation off the top of my head. Maybe you are right and they turn out to be terrorists, all. But for now it is absurd to suppose that. 

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Well it was more a comment and update on the situation we were talking about before about not knowing who is coming into the country. Im not saying all are terrorist , but we should know who everybody is

As for the highlighted part , Yes we have , but I live there , and its valid to bring up 1 country , specialy if you live in that country . Cant just talk about all of europe . should be able to comment on 1 country without being told you know it .

And for another update , Swedish police / secret service just had a press conference they are looking for some special people who have made it across the border .

Think it was a day or 2 ago but 2 papers reported Belgium and Sweden had been hot spots for ISIS recruiting and about 200 people had left from Swe and Bel had left for syria . some are coming back to their origin countries . Really baffled how you can grow up in countries like these and turn extremist . We have so much freedom , free speech , free religion , great schools and healthcare . And still they grow up to hate us . wtf ...

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When you realize the West is total bullshit its understandable. Understand the radicals think we're the real terrorists, which is kinda true.. Our women dress like they're for sale, we eat like fucking pigs and rape other countries for oil and other valuable commodities. Meanwhile our leaders are corrupt as hell, outsource work to slave conditions, steal their oil, kill innocent families, bomb villages and somehow they're the terrorists? Most of them don't even have shoes..

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'The western military leaders and politicians are raping our lands and killing our people, i know, how about we kill 150 kids from a trendy hipster neighbourhood in paris'

Radicals are radicals, we have them too, this only shadows the US streak of school shooters. Paris wasn't some Syrian country wide plan to terrorize some small theatre in France. How many children do you think were at that death metal show?

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Don't know what you're trying to get into here. i'm not on any sides. Probably not any children there.

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The muslim Nazi version is killing our kids. Let's be the christian-atheist Nazi version and deprive refugees a peaceful life and let em rot at some concentration camps or drown in the sea or go back to war which is 1000000 times worse than the situation in Paris.  

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Starting to think you are a troll account of tracer dude . And I mean that in the nicest way

Well, making you think is a great success for me. Of course you dont succeed in anything first try. Keep trying.