Pro-Trump Skaters?

[botefdunn]

Essal, the article you posted makes an argument I am familiar with and somewhat sympathetic to. Watch this if you have a moment.

[essal]

oh, you don't have to try to tell me that the guy is a white supremacist.

[botefdunn]

another side of the argument:


"Dialogue is for reasonable people acting in good faith. Dialogue is between two acceptable positions. �Taxes need to be raised� vs. �taxes need to be lowered� is grounds for dialogue. �Taxes need to be raised� vs. �Jews should be thrown in ovens� is grounds for a beating."

http://thoughtsonthedead.com/on-the-propriety-of-punching-nazis-an-faq/

[Alexactly]

I find Spencer's punching acceptable only on the narrow grounds that it makes him aware of the fact that advocating for unabashedly white supremacist and anti-Semitic ideas and political action, for a violent ideology, is not free from repercussions -- one does not declare war and then act surprised to find a battle. I do not as a rule think it's morally permissable to assault people for their views, and I would rue a trend of people feeling emboldened to punch strangers who they think are nazis, racists, etc. But there is a reason that, prior to the last 18 months, neo-nazi writers would typically shy away from widespread media attention, especially without bodyguards, and I think that the reality that these types of scum feel emboldened enough to appear on CNN and be interviewed on the street is a MUCH more negative sign for the country, and I think Spencer getting clocked does something to restore balance to the force.

[Alan]

Fuck, let's all be sympathetic to the Nazi getting punched. And like botefdunn posted, fuck being reasonable with the Nazis. Being reasonable with the Nazis led to the Holocaust. And that's no hyperbole.

[essal]

Fuck, let's all be sympathetic to the Nazi getting punched. And like botefdunn posted, fuck being reasonable with the Nazis. Being reasonable with the Nazis led to the Holocaust. And that's no hyperbole.

no, it's about being against the use of violence to suppress anyones ideas. the moment you start to accept violent attacks on people based on their beliefs (or any other parameter that you choose), then it's no better than any nazis or fascists.

[mtvic]

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Fuck, let's all be sympathetic to the Nazi getting punched. And like botefdunn posted, fuck being reasonable with the Nazis. Being reasonable with the Nazis led to the Holocaust. And that's no hyperbole.

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no, it's about being against the use of violence to suppress anyones ideas. the moment you start to accept violent attacks on people based on their beliefs (or any other parameter that you choose), then it's no better than any nazis or fascists.

That's assuming there is an equal value to all beliefs and that is the problem with your argument: when a groups ideas are as toxic as nazis it is a requirement for civilized society to stomp it out.  The nazis didn't go peacefully into the night post ww2, and sometimes people do need their ass kicked for their beliefs, here are a few: child molesters, rapists, those who commit genocide, and those who argue that oppressing others over the color of their skin is acceptable.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

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Fuck, let's all be sympathetic to the Nazi getting punched. And like botefdunn posted, fuck being reasonable with the Nazis. Being reasonable with the Nazis led to the Holocaust. And that's no hyperbole.

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no, it's about being against the use of violence to suppress anyones ideas. the moment you start to accept violent attacks on people based on their beliefs (or any other parameter that you choose), then it's no better than any nazis or fascists.

i am a strong supporter of non-violent protest, but living in a country where theres a rising amount of people with radical right wing ideology i am slowly starting to think that simple discussion and reasoning wont be enough. really hoping to be proven wrong though.
not stoked that one of the most radical right wing organizations now has its "headquarter" in the building next to me.

[shark tits]

trouble is that the right wing views the left as just as ludicrous and mentally ill as nazi-ism or whatever seems to you guys. so by the logic of stomping nazis, they should stomp the goofball left fringe that is easy to lampoon but doesn't represent the average liberal/democrat/socialist/anarchist/whatever left is comprised of.
not all nazis are pussies either.
i mean, if people had to fight to have an opinion there'd be a lot less opinions on both sides.
i'm not real good at loving my enemy or whatever, i wish horrible shit on people for petty stuff but i do believe you can't defeat hate w/ hate. only w/ love and understanding.
or genocide but good luck looking in the mirror after that.

[essal]

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Fuck, let's all be sympathetic to the Nazi getting punched. And like botefdunn posted, fuck being reasonable with the Nazis. Being reasonable with the Nazis led to the Holocaust. And that's no hyperbole.

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no, it's about being against the use of violence to suppress anyones ideas. the moment you start to accept violent attacks on people based on their beliefs (or any other parameter that you choose), then it's no better than any nazis or fascists.

[close]

That's assuming there is an equal value to all beliefs and that is the problem with your argument: when a groups ideas are as toxic as nazis it is a requirement for civilized society to stomp it out.� The nazis didn't go peacefully into the night post ww2, and sometimes people do need their ass kicked for their beliefs, here are a few: child molesters, rapists, those who commit genocide, and those who argue that oppressing others over the color of their skin is acceptable.

i cannot accept that violence is justified towards some people based on their beliefs. based on someones action it becomes very different, but as a civilized society we cannot have social norms (or worse, laws) that say that it's ok to punch people you disagree with. not even 3rd world countries have it like that.

i don't think reasoning is going to work. what needs to happen is that these potential dumbasses are informed prior to "joining". once they are in it's too late in most cases.

[Alan]

Violence is at the core of fascist and Nazi ideology. It wasn't a serious of unfortunate mistakes that made them violent and destructive. A "wait and see" policy is pointless in this instance.

[Mother Goose.]

Violence is at the core of fascist and Nazi ideology.

this

[Esquivel]

I was once attacked by 3 nazis that beat me with knuckledusters and clubs, an incident that sent me to the hospital with some nice head injuries. It all started because there was a massive nazi attack to an anarchist protest and i happened to walk by the anarchist's area and to also sport long hair and a beard so the fascist scum thought i was taking part in the anarchist protest. The beating happened in front of a policeman who told me to fuck off when i asked for help, bleeding like hell.
The next day i swore that if time came and i found a confirmed nazi (of the kind that walk around in nazi t-shirts and participate in beatings - there are many like this in Greece) alone in some remote place, i would cut a tendon or two of his. I also sued the police force but was later fucked over by them in a random weed search for doing so.
3 years have passed and i still think about hooking with nazis in remote places but my rage has started to calm a little. I don't know if i will ever cancel my oath. I am not happy with my self for thinking like this but i am also not happy with nazis and right wing idiots existing because they promote evil ideas. The gif with the nazi being punched made the facebook news in Greece too and was widely accepted mainly because the pos being punched is a journalist who has been spreading fascist ideology and lies.
i am not sure if randomly attacking nazis is a good practice but in my experience i was the one that got beaten and received no justice so watching that guy punching the nazi reporter in that gif gave me a smile.

sorry for the long rant, had to get this shit out of me but should have probably shared this in the "things you almost posted but you didn't" thread

also  slap spellcheck will not accept nazi for a word, i keep getting the red wavy underline

[MexicanSpaniard]

anybody on here defending anything that might be associated with a nazzi piece of shit better be trolling

[nonstop29]

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Fuck, let's all be sympathetic to the Nazi getting punched. And like botefdunn posted, fuck being reasonable with the Nazis. Being reasonable with the Nazis led to the Holocaust. And that's no hyperbole.

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no, it's about being against the use of violence to suppress anyones ideas. the moment you start to accept violent attacks on people based on their beliefs (or any other parameter that you choose), then it's no better than any nazis or fascists.

[close]

i am a strong supporter of non-violent protest, but living in a country where theres a rising amount of people with radical right wing ideology i am slowly starting to think that simple discussion and reasoning wont be enough. really hoping to be proven wrong though.
not stoked that one of the most radical right wing organizations now has its "headquarter" in the building next to me.

It gets more complicated considering the fact that these groups portray themselves as non-violent. They portray this "peaceful" image that represents them as valid groups open for debate and that are united for political purposes only. This is so that when something violent happens such as one of their members being punched they appear to be in the right because they are "peaceful".

It's very difficult and frustrating because these sorts of beliefs are not even considerable for debate, they are total crap that was used to oppress people. It's angering that these groups get the spaces to speak their minds and promulgate their ideas while not being called out. It's not wrong of them to speak what they believe, but we need to call them out and establish the fact that those ideas have done wrong in the past and that they are definitely not right.

But yeah radicalism is getting us to the point of peace vs any means necessary

[doublepeenis]

[h00man]

Gave a lot of gnars and kooked a lot of fools. WallieD, there is not place for your neo-nazi racism here on the board. Everyone please kook WallieD more.

I do not agree with the violent protests. Fucking stupid if you ask me. All the rioting and shit, what the fuck is that gonna do? Get Trump out of office because of violent acts towards establishment? Makes me feel sick to agree with them on the fact that Trump is "Not My President".

Richard Spencer deserved that fucking punch though. Bravo to that brave kamikaze soul to do us all a favor.

Trump has already shown what he is capable of. Everyone praising Trump for what he is doing is oblivious to the fact that he is a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, bigot, non-tax paying, cut-taxes-for-the-rich, three-time marrying, Christian, overweight, billionaire, got-his-hands-in-pockets, looking-out-for-himself, hypocritical asshole.

Look at his cabinets and please tell me why they are right for the job.
Scott Pruitt? Doesn't even know what the EPA is or what it stands for.
Betsy Devos? Never had anything to do with public education and believes guns belong in schools for "potential grizzlies"
You guys fucking kidding me? America has become a joke because of people who believe that Trump is out to "Make America Great Again".

[I.C. Weiner]

No matter who wins this petty debate, America is still seen as the down syndrome of the west. Angela Merkel is the new leader of the free world.

[Level 60 Dwarf Paladin]

anybody on here defending anything that might be associated with a nazzi piece of shit better be trolling

Seriously.

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Fuck, let's all be sympathetic to the Nazi getting punched. And like botefdunn posted, fuck being reasonable with the Nazis. Being reasonable with the Nazis led to the Holocaust. And that's no hyperbole.

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no, it's about being against the use of violence to suppress anyones ideas. the moment you start to accept violent attacks on people based on their beliefs (or any other parameter that you choose), then it's no better than any nazis or fascists.

This doesn't apply to neo-nazi's, fascists, or racists.

[doublepeenis]

I view this shit a a big joke. Dont get butthurt. So much butthurt in this thread. Butthurt everywhere. Emotional and ideologist butthurt.

This is the funniest election ever, its just like, man, motherfuckers gettin butthurt.

[h00man]

bawtard this isnt a joke. People's lives are changing for the worse because of shit like this.

[Alan]

You can't reason with a simpleton trolling on the internet...

[doublepeenis]

bawtard this isnt a joke. People's lives are changing for the worse because of shit like this.

Oh, nooo, it is funny. Peoples lives can always change for the worst anytime. Motherfuckers just mad. I like a change, see what happens, give trump a chance, he really aint that fuckin stupid. If shit goes haywire, Ill admit I was wrong.

But yoo, they gotta bomb the fuckin government buildings (with no people in em) and shit like that, if they bout bout it. Starbucks window smash? What the fuck is that, I aint against it, but why starbucks, those white protesters love that place.

[shark tits]

starbucks displaces local coffee places. fucking anything that exists in california and the east coast is too big and we should buy from our neighbors while we still can before everything is a chain. that said, if you drink a few refills starbucks becomes cheaper than dunkies and they take care of their labor. but they're still a piece of shit and so is every chain. buy local, smash global, ride the fire, burn the flag.
sad when british singer madonna is more about that life than our own lower class citizens who will maybe be affected.

[h00man]

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bawtard this isnt a joke. People's lives are changing for the worse because of shit like this.

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Oh, nooo, it is funny. Peoples lives can always change for the worst anytime. Motherfuckers just mad. I like a change, see what happens, give trump a chance, he really aint that fuckin stupid. If shit goes haywire, Ill admit I was wrong.

But yoo, they gotta bomb the fuckin government buildings (with no people in em) and shit like that, if they bout bout it. Starbucks window smash? What the fuck is that, I aint against it, but why starbucks, those white protesters love that place.

Nah Trump is a total idiot.

I don't agree with smashing businesses and shit. Looks really horrible and stupid. But whatever, I ain't out there. Instead I'm on an internet message board.

[nonstop29]

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bawtard this isnt a joke. People's lives are changing for the worse because of shit like this.

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Oh, nooo, it is funny. Peoples lives can always change for the worst anytime. Motherfuckers just mad. I like a change, see what happens, give trump a chance, he really aint that fuckin stupid. If shit goes haywire, Ill admit I was wrong.

But yoo, they gotta bomb the fuckin government buildings (with no people in em) and shit like that, if they bout bout it. Starbucks window smash? What the fuck is that, I aint against it, but why starbucks, those white protesters love that place.

[close]

Nah Trump is a total idiot.

I don't agree with smashing businesses and shit. Looks really horrible and stupid. But whatever, I ain't out there. Instead I'm on an internet message board.

The collective is judged by a few cunts that decided to do so. They are stupid cunts, the people marching against an incompetent bigot shouldn't be judged for the actions of a few cunts (not the Australian cunt)

[Tracer]

Is there any way England would take Madonna back?

[shark tits]

pretty sure she's there fulltime. she's just in america to help the bourgesie see the rebel. once she has inspired a revolution she will go home to tea and crumpets liek a modern day emma goldman.

[tobey]

Is there any way England would take Madonna back?

Sure but Adele can stay

[h00man]

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bawtard this isnt a joke. People's lives are changing for the worse because of shit like this.

[close]

Oh, nooo, it is funny. Peoples lives can always change for the worst anytime. Motherfuckers just mad. I like a change, see what happens, give trump a chance, he really aint that fuckin stupid. If shit goes haywire, Ill admit I was wrong.

But yoo, they gotta bomb the fuckin government buildings (with no people in em) and shit like that, if they bout bout it. Starbucks window smash? What the fuck is that, I aint against it, but why starbucks, those white protesters love that place.

[close]

Nah Trump is a total idiot.

I don't agree with smashing businesses and shit. Looks really horrible and stupid. But whatever, I ain't out there. Instead I'm on an internet message board.

[close]

The collective is judged by a few cunts that decided to do so. They are stupid cunts, the people marching against an incompetent bigot shouldn't be judged for the actions of a few cunts (not the Australian cunt)

True. Although when you use the word "cunt", I'm assuming you are referring to just females? There were men involved too.