Israel's right to exist

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"Beer in hand, sun lotion on face, we ran...It’s [Tel Aviv] a kind of an escape...Four days ago, the city was normal and hopping...There’s been a change since the rockets fell...”

it's impossible to feel bad about the "hedonistic" beach party being interrupted...

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Hope that you feel at least bad that in Gaza under Hamas rule there will never be allowed 'hedonistic' beach parties of this kind.

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great point, better slaughter them indiscriminately

Right... also, Hamas control in Palestine was a response to Israeli violence and illegal expansion, was it not? We have a displaced people fighting for their right to exist in a place that they have lived for ages. I know this was/is the Zionist perspective as well... but the situation is not the same anymore. Not in today's context. Israel exists and has major support (for some pretty dubious reasons, I should add). Palestine is more or less unrecognized and being swallowed up, yet are called terrorists for fighting back. And the Palestinians are only fighting for a tiny sliver, a fraction of what was designated for the early two state plan.

Also, important time to point out that not all Palestinians align themselves with Hamas, or are even Muslim... for this reason it is not helpful to frame it as Hamas vs Israel imo.

[DaleSr]

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"Beer in hand, sun lotion on face, we ran...It’s [Tel Aviv] a kind of an escape...Four days ago, the city was normal and hopping...There’s been a change since the rockets fell...”

it's impossible to feel bad about the "hedonistic" beach party being interrupted...

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Hope that you feel at least bad that in Gaza under Hamas rule there will never be allowed 'hedonistic' beach parties of this kind.

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The Jews are treating the Arab Muslims like a lesser people [...]
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Collectively blaming 'the jews'? -Text-book antisemitism.

Fuck out of here with that weak shit.
Israel as a state doesn't get to slaughter and try to ethnicly cleanse Palestine just because they have the ability to have beach parties. Palestinians can't even get on a fucking row boat without the Israeli navy trying to play battleship with them. Israel gets held to a standard that no other country does. No one would ever accuse someone of being racist against the French for criticizing them about their niquab ban, but every time people rightly call out the war crimes that Israel is guilty of, then you're an anti semite. It's so cynical and disgusting

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[KoRnholio8]

I find it very surprising that many nations are now expressing open solidarity with Israel. I can't remember that being the case in past escalations (USA excluded)?

Also, destroying the media building is hopefully a war crime (or should be).

This mess should be exhibit A for abandoning religion across the world.

[Beeda Weeda]

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"Beer in hand, sun lotion on face, we ran...It’s [Tel Aviv] a kind of an escape...Four days ago, the city was normal and hopping...There’s been a change since the rockets fell...”

it's impossible to feel bad about the "hedonistic" beach party being interrupted...

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Hope that you feel at least bad that in Gaza under Hamas rule there will never be allowed 'hedonistic' beach parties of this kind.

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The Jews are treating the Arab Muslims like a lesser people [...]
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Collectively blaming 'the jews'? -Text-book antisemitism.

my bad, I should have said "the Israeli government"
but, you cherry picked that from my post.

[Sleazy]

i don't always line up with trevor noah but i like his perspective here

[mj23]

Let’s be real about why this shit is happening. “Right to exist” is a convenient catch phrase, but the real reason is that the US Military needs allies and resources in the region to secure commodities like oil and minerals... and opium, in the case of Afghanistan. Oh, and also to prevent these smaller countries from thriving with assistance from rival superpowers. We could argue about the utility or the morality of these policies, but it’s all pointless if we don’t begin with a realistic understanding of the actual conditions.

Israeli “democracy” is about as legitimate as US democracy, which is to say it’s a total scam operated by ruling class interests. Recent elections show this pretty clearly. Many of the non-Jewish US politicians and right wingers who love Israel so much are actually anti-Semitic as fuck. If you personally are a Zionist for personal/religious reasons, that’s a different conversation. Geopolitics don’t care about that. It’s about cash, resources, power, etc.

[Sleazy]

Let’s be real about why this shit is happening. “Right to exist” is a convenient catch phrase, but the real reason is that the US Military needs allies and resources in the region to secure commodities like oil and minerals... and opium, in the case of Afghanistan. Oh, and also to prevent these smaller countries from thriving with assistance from rival superpowers. We could argue about the utility or the morality of these policies, but it’s all pointless if we don’t begin with a realistic understanding of the actual conditions.

Israeli “democracy” is about as legitimate as US democracy, which is to say it’s a total scam operated by ruling class interests. Recent elections show this pretty clearly. Many of the non-Jewish US politicians and right wingers who love Israel so much are actually anti-Semitic as fuck. If you personally are a Zionist for personal/religious reasons, that’s a different conversation. Geopolitics don’t care about that. It’s about cash, resources, power, etc.

there's a lot of things about your views that i don't align with my views but focusing on your main point about it all being about money and influence is leaving out "to the US". i'm assuming that was implicit but the actual conflict over there is way more complicated than that and doesn't really care about the US interest. i'd also argue that here in the US religious interests are a big factor. religion is a crazy thing and even though these evangelicals might be anti-Semitic they like zionism because it aligns with their desire to bring about end times and judgement day.

[TheLurper]

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Let’s be real about why this shit is happening. “Right to exist” is a convenient catch phrase, but the real reason is that the US Military needs allies and resources in the region to secure commodities like oil and minerals... and opium, in the case of Afghanistan. Oh, and also to prevent these smaller countries from thriving with assistance from rival superpowers. We could argue about the utility or the morality of these policies, but it’s all pointless if we don’t begin with a realistic understanding of the actual conditions.

Israeli “democracy” is about as legitimate as US democracy, which is to say it’s a total scam operated by ruling class interests. Recent elections show this pretty clearly. Many of the non-Jewish US politicians and right wingers who love Israel so much are actually anti-Semitic as fuck. If you personally are a Zionist for personal/religious reasons, that’s a different conversation. Geopolitics don’t care about that. It’s about cash, resources, power, etc.

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there's a lot of things about your views that i don't align with my views but focusing on your main point about it all being about money and influence is leaving out "to the US". i'm assuming that was implicit but the actual conflict over there is way more complicated than that and doesn't really care about the US interest. i'd also argue that here in the US religious interests are a big factor. religion is a crazy thing and even though these evangelicals might be anti-Semitic they like zionism because it aligns with their desire to bring about end times and judgement day.

This is a good read on the ultra-rights love of Israel.
https://harpers.org/archive/2016/07/my-holy-land-vacation/

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[mj23]

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Let’s be real about why this shit is happening. “Right to exist” is a convenient catch phrase, but the real reason is that the US Military needs allies and resources in the region to secure commodities like oil and minerals... and opium, in the case of Afghanistan. Oh, and also to prevent these smaller countries from thriving with assistance from rival superpowers. We could argue about the utility or the morality of these policies, but it’s all pointless if we don’t begin with a realistic understanding of the actual conditions.

Israeli “democracy” is about as legitimate as US democracy, which is to say it’s a total scam operated by ruling class interests. Recent elections show this pretty clearly. Many of the non-Jewish US politicians and right wingers who love Israel so much are actually anti-Semitic as fuck. If you personally are a Zionist for personal/religious reasons, that’s a different conversation. Geopolitics don’t care about that. It’s about cash, resources, power, etc.

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there's a lot of things about your views that i don't align with my views but focusing on your main point about it all being about money and influence is leaving out "to the US". i'm assuming that was implicit but the actual conflict over there is way more complicated than that and doesn't really care about the US interest. i'd also argue that here in the US religious interests are a big factor. religion is a crazy thing and even though these evangelicals might be anti-Semitic they like zionism because it aligns with their desire to bring about end times and judgement day.

Yeah, I’m really just talking about the US here. Because without a gajillion dollars annually in US support sent to Israel, this would all look very different. To me everything else is moot.

[IUTSM]

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Let’s be real about why this shit is happening. “Right to exist” is a convenient catch phrase, but the real reason is that the US Military needs allies and resources in the region to secure commodities like oil and minerals... and opium, in the case of Afghanistan. Oh, and also to prevent these smaller countries from thriving with assistance from rival superpowers. We could argue about the utility or the morality of these policies, but it’s all pointless if we don’t begin with a realistic understanding of the actual conditions.

Israeli “democracy” is about as legitimate as US democracy, which is to say it’s a total scam operated by ruling class interests. Recent elections show this pretty clearly. Many of the non-Jewish US politicians and right wingers who love Israel so much are actually anti-Semitic as fuck. If you personally are a Zionist for personal/religious reasons, that’s a different conversation. Geopolitics don’t care about that. It’s about cash, resources, power, etc.

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there's a lot of things about your views that i don't align with my views but focusing on your main point about it all being about money and influence is leaving out "to the US". i'm assuming that was implicit but the actual conflict over there is way more complicated than that and doesn't really care about the US interest. i'd also argue that here in the US religious interests are a big factor. religion is a crazy thing and even though these evangelicals might be anti-Semitic they like zionism because it aligns with their desire to bring about end times and judgement day.

this is something that I feel most people in the anti-apartheid conversation aren't getting at.

up @mj23
I think you're pretty spot on regarding the right-wingers in the States. They're waving swastika flags and arguing support for Israel as a nation. Cognitive dissonance.

[bigdave]

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Let’s be real about why this shit is happening. “Right to exist” is a convenient catch phrase, but the real reason is that the US Military needs allies and resources in the region to secure commodities like oil and minerals... and opium, in the case of Afghanistan. Oh, and also to prevent these smaller countries from thriving with assistance from rival superpowers. We could argue about the utility or the morality of these policies, but it’s all pointless if we don’t begin with a realistic understanding of the actual conditions.

Israeli “democracy” is about as legitimate as US democracy, which is to say it’s a total scam operated by ruling class interests. Recent elections show this pretty clearly. Many of the non-Jewish US politicians and right wingers who love Israel so much are actually anti-Semitic as fuck. If you personally are a Zionist for personal/religious reasons, that’s a different conversation. Geopolitics don’t care about that. It’s about cash, resources, power, etc.

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there's a lot of things about your views that i don't align with my views but focusing on your main point about it all being about money and influence is leaving out "to the US". i'm assuming that was implicit but the actual conflict over there is way more complicated than that and doesn't really care about the US interest. i'd also argue that here in the US religious interests are a big factor. religion is a crazy thing and even though these evangelicals might be anti-Semitic they like zionism because it aligns with their desire to bring about end times and judgement day.

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this is something that I feel most people in the anti-apartheid conversation aren't getting at.

up @mj23
I think you're pretty spot on regarding the right-wingers in the States. They're waving swastika flags and arguing support for Israel as a nation. Cognitive dissonance.

Not that I am going to defend the Right in any way, shape, or form, but the argument of the neo-folk and other WP movements is that ultimately countries have sovereignty and all races should have their own carved out places and live adjacent to each other peacefully. They'd want all Jews shipped from America to Israel.

This is basically a recruiting technique to demonstrate there is simply a "kinder, gentler" form of fascism. Nice clean cut boys in suits like Richard Spencer.

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This is not cool.

[Ric Leonetti]

You guys know a lot

[DannyDee]

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I know I’m gonna look dumb as fuck for asking this, but someone give me a general rundown of what the core of the conflict is between Israel and Palestine is? From what I gather, it’s rooted in religion, but you guys started talking about economics, World War 2, Karl Marx, France, and U.S. involvement (per usual) and I was completely out of the loop the whole time.

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it's the fucking fault of the british, google capitalism and imperialism

That's part of it as they wanted to control/have stability in the Suez canal to maintain imports from India. But, the significant roots of the current dispute are rooted in the British making multiple promises during WWI in an attempt to destabilize what they viewed to be the weakest coalition among the Germans, Austro-Hungarians, and the Ottoman Empire siding with Zionists and Pan-Arabs promising multiple things and not fulfilling on them. Many of the states created out of this fell for a variety of reasons and haven't seen stable democratic rule in their existence as independent nations (Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Jordan). While Britain had capitalistic goals, the primary goal was to destabilize the Ottoman Empire in order to win the first World War.

[IUTSM]

This is not cool.

[TheLurper]

I think SLAPs reference to the photos are a joke (probably) but it's always hard to tell on a forum, but just to put it out there I'm not going to condemn BA or Gonz for shirts they wore x years ago.

If they were wearing shirt with BiBi's face on it (fuck that dude) yeah, I'd be bummed and rethink my admiration, but (possible) souvenirs from a trip to Israel or a random thrift store find, not going to give it too much thought.

And yeah part of this has to do with who they are and what I assume their beliefs to be... I can't imagine either being pro-destruction of the Palestinian people.

I know a few of the AZ pros/industry dudes have AZ tattoos, I think don't a single one backs the state's right-wing politics, but instead AZ is a place they identify with despite the state's stupid ass politics. (I don't think Ryan Lay is going to be voting for Sheriff Joe even if he has an AZ tattoo.)

I might be applying a double standard here (I'm going to think about it), but, yeah, unless I see something past a shirt, I'm not worried about either of them.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/05/canceling-comedians-while-the-world-burns-cancel-culture-moralism-social-media

[IUTSM]

I think SLAPs reference to the photos are a joke (probably) but it's always hard to tell on a forum, but just to put it out there I'm not going to condemn BA or Gonz for shirts they wore x years ago.

If they were wearing shirt with BiBi's face on it (fuck that dude) yeah, I'd be bummed and rethink my admiration, but (possible) souvenirs from a trip to Israel or a random thrift store find, not going to give it too much thought.

And yeah part of this has to do with who they are and what I assume their beliefs to be... I can't imagine either being pro-destruction of the Palestinian people.

I know a few of the AZ pros/industry dudes have AZ tattoos, I think don't a single one backs the state's right-wing politics, but instead AZ is a place they identify with despite the state's stupid ass politics. (I don't think Ryan Lay is going to be voting for Sheriff Joe even if he has an AZ tattoo.)

I might be applying a double standard here (I'm going to think about it), but, yeah, unless I see something past a shirt, I'm not worried about either of them.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/05/canceling-comedians-while-the-world-burns-cancel-culture-moralism-social-media

I'm not bashing either of them, I posted the Gonz photo to show that the shirt BA is wearing is identical, and a throw back in skate history. As soon as I saw that dudes post I instantly thought recalled video days. I guess some clarification is necessary when posting a photo to sort of mock another post for being touchy

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BA is probably only wearing it because the Gonz did and probably knows nothing about how sensitive the subject is like a lot of Americans i'm afraid to say.

[mj23]

Guys I just thought up something totally insane

What if we tried talking about “Palestine’s right to exist”

That would be crazy right

[brycickle]

YOU SONOFABITCH!!

[fredgallSOTY]

Let’s be real about why this shit is happening. “Right to exist” is a convenient catch phrase, but the real reason is that the US Military needs allies and resources in the region to secure commodities like oil and minerals... and opium, in the case of Afghanistan. Oh, and also to prevent these smaller countries from thriving with assistance from rival superpowers. We could argue about the utility or the morality of these policies, but it’s all pointless if we don’t begin with a realistic understanding of the actual conditions.

Israeli “democracy” is about as legitimate as US democracy, which is to say it’s a total scam operated by ruling class interests. Recent elections show this pretty clearly. Many of the non-Jewish US politicians and right wingers who love Israel so much are actually anti-Semitic as fuck. If you personally are a Zionist for personal/religious reasons, that’s a different conversation. Geopolitics don’t care about that. It’s about cash, resources, power, etc.

good point here. especially the last sentence.

[DaleSr]

^nailed it on the head. Israel is a client state of the US and is there to protect resource extraction in our pseudo colonies. Also apparently Israeli spies are super involved in the domestic mdma market here in the US. Gotta keep the drugs and minerals flowing

[IUTSM]

^nailed it on the head. Israel is a client state of the US and is there to protect resource extraction in our pseudo colonies. Also apparently Israeli spies are super involved in the domestic mdma market here in the US. Gotta keep the drugs and minerals flowing

[matty_c]

Did this fit out of a trendycunt bar in bris earlier this year and it had waterless pissers getting replaced with newer waterless pissers
The plumber showed me this pipe going into the wall halfway blocked with this solidified shite and he’s all yeah this is all cut that punters have pissed out over the years

Gross, reckon legit or nah? I’ll try find the photo cause I remember I texted it to my mates at the time

I remember it fucken stank anyway but it could have just been piss minerals, too

Waterless urinals, don’t do it

[DaleSr]

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^nailed it on the head. Israel is a client state of the US and is there to protect resource extraction in our pseudo colonies. Also apparently Israeli spies are super involved in the domestic mdma market here in the US. Gotta keep the drugs and minerals flowing

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https://www.haaretz.com/1.4723857

https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/

https://www.customs.govt.nz/about-us/news/media-releases/israeli-trio-sentenced-for-carrying-$3.6-m-mdma-crystals/

https://jewishjournal.com/culture/health/4651/

Much like in our country, intelligence agencies and organized crime work in coordination from time to time. Shit is very weird. Mossad was doing DEA pen testing essentially to keep their mdma ring going

[Backchoi]

Great thread to read up on. As I thought the skate world was completely silent or oblivious to the Middle East. Living in fear of being labeled an anti semite or HAMAS.

[hotstudios_on_youtube]

someone shout out free Palestine in thrasher not too long ago