New Ace AF1 *Low* announced

[Xen]

Oddly, bones still feel great in indys (and tensor ATGs), everytime (could be muscle memory)...FWIW they are broken in bones meds, just not a super new nor old beat-up set.

I sucked it up and ordered the ACE low hards (discount code helped just a tad).

[LebowskisRug]

Yah these dudes skate 99% ledges and seem to be the type to just throw Bones in a truck by default. They seem to like the stability on center and turn despite that.

[toe_knee]

Yea when I ordered my set I also ordered the hard bushings, luckily I did the stock ones are just too mushy for the way I skate, really liking the way these things skate thoigh

[Xen]

Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.

[Xen]

Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.

The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.

Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.

Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening -  there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.

Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.

Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.

[eSK3]

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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.

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The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.

Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.

Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening -  there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.

Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.

Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.

Thanks for this. Doing the lords work.

[rob]

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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.

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The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.

Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.

Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening -  there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.

Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.

Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.

Nice I thought I was the only one riding 52 and smaller preferably these days

[Xen]

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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.

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The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.

Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.

Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening -  there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.

Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.

Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.

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Nice I thought I was the only one riding 52 and smaller preferably these days

I tend to match wheel height to truck height and since these are lows, granted they curb wheel bite better than most, but I'm not going to throw 56 kader radial fulls on them =)

Lows or not, I rarely run anything over 53mm these days unless I'm building it for a certain style of skating/need more speed for something. But my general rule is ~52 for street 54+ for parks (with bowls). When I'm skating 'everything' regularly I would stick with 53/54. Alos, skinny wheels for life.

Meanwhile, cobra out there on [tight as fuck] thunders rocking 56mm conical fulls...wtf
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgqH9PIJMM9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[Frank and Fred]

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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.

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The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.

Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.

Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening -  there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.

Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.

Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.

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Thanks for this. Doing the lords work.

The Hard bushings have a very similar effect in the regular AF1s also. Never thought hard bushings could work so well for me. After a few weeks they pretty much feel 90% like regular bushings but with a tad more resistance and wheelbite prevention. Perfect.

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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.

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The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.

Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.

Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening -  there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.

Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.

Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.

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Nice I thought I was the only one riding 52 and smaller preferably these days

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I tend to match wheel height to truck height and since these are lows, granted they curb wheel bite better than most, but I'm not going to throw 56 kader radial fulls on them =)

Lows or not, I rarely run anything over 53mm these days unless I'm building it for a certain style of skating/need more speed for something. But my general rule is ~52 for street 54+ for parks (with bowls). When I'm skating 'everything' regularly I would stick with 53/54. Alos, skinny wheels for life.

Meanwhile, cobra out there on [tight as fuck] thunders rocking 56mm conical fulls...wtf
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgqH9PIJMM9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

A few pros/ex-pros have been doing the big wheels, tight (seemingly) thunders: Dane Burman, Axel, Jordan Powell…hmmm, I thought there was more. Aaaaanyways, it’s noteworthy, probably only to me, in that I get the wheelbite with thunders, real quick. 56s can give some more pop, so that’s nice.

I’ve been pushing around on wheels smaller than 52s, and it sucks, but I don’t skate that fast, wheel size be damned. Riding big wheels started to feel like wearing rain boots everyday.

[Xen]

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Got the low hards the other day; got them swapped in for tomorrow's skate.

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The hard low bushings in the lows are the way. You lose nothing and gain a lot.

Out of the pack they're not loosy goosy (no easy front foot steering), they get rid of the 'wobble' and provide stability without cranking them down. My guess is, much like bones hards, once broken in they'll be that perfect 'medium' for a long time. Obviously less wheebite, but hard or not, once you get the turn going you can feel the hards give way to the geo but I expect that's due to them not being broken in and it will only get more fluid.

Being 185lbs tho, I still swapped out the washers for flat sleeved, specifically because of the bottom. With the soft stocks I'd bind on the bottom (loose, 51mm wheels), this alleviates that with the softs and while I wasn't binding on the hards, once broken in I could see it happening -  there's not a lot of space under there between the yoke and plate.

Been riding 51 (50s now?) on them but wouldn't feel worried putting 52s on again.

Also, no clicking, and I didn't miss/notice the lack of the dual duro setup.

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Nice I thought I was the only one riding 52 and smaller preferably these days

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I tend to match wheel height to truck height and since these are lows, granted they curb wheel bite better than most, but I'm not going to throw 56 kader radial fulls on them =)

Lows or not, I rarely run anything over 53mm these days unless I'm building it for a certain style of skating/need more speed for something. But my general rule is ~52 for street 54+ for parks (with bowls). When I'm skating 'everything' regularly I would stick with 53/54. Alos, skinny wheels for life.

Meanwhile, cobra out there on [tight as fuck] thunders rocking 56mm conical fulls...wtf
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgqH9PIJMM9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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A few pros/ex-pros have been doing the big wheels, tight (seemingly) thunders: Dane Burman, Axel, Jordan Powell…hmmm, I thought there was more. Aaaaanyways, it’s noteworthy, probably only to me, in that I get the wheelbite with thunders, real quick. 56s can give some more pop, so that’s nice.

I’ve been pushing around on wheels smaller than 52s, and it sucks, but I don’t skate that fast, wheel size be damned. Riding big wheels started to feel like wearing rain boots everyday.

I went out (again) with multiple setups and while I love the thunder pop and nimble-ness, I can't skate them without wheelbite unless I tighten them down to the point of being useless (I just fall off pushing they're so tight); setup stock bushing, team plates with 52mm wheels. They're just not for me.

The ACEs felt great today, in fact they were giving off serious thunder vibes, tho I wish I had some 55s, been feeling wider setups.

Those on the fence I highly suggest you get the hards.

[LebowskisRug]

A few dudes I know that love Thunders also love Ace lows these days and find them less wheelbite-y. Which doesn't help my madness at all. I don't like my trucks super tight but stock Thunder feels pretty good in terms of turn and wheelbite. Only reason to pick Ace is AF1 as a lower Indy alternative.

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@Xen
@LebowskisRug

If I end up getting af1 lows because of both of you…I swear

[Xen]

If I wanted a lower Indy I’d get forged hollow mid. Lighter than Ace lows.

I wouldn’t skate Ace as a replacement for thunders either, I’d skate the new royals.

The royals check all the boxes and I keep finding my way back to them…lighter than the Ace lows too, If that matters.

Best sub 52mm trucks are Ace lows and the forged mindy When it comes to loose trucks and minimal wheebite tho easy.

[Xen]

Also, don’t trust me, as I was skating 149 Tensor ATG maglites with bones mediums and 54stfs as well today and had a blast on this setup

[Ok]

Also, don’t trust me, as I was skating 149 Tensor ATG maglites with bones mediums and 54stfs as well today and had a blast on this setup

Ha!

I considered getting some 8” tensor mag light lows. I’m all low trucks rn.

[Xen]

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Also, don’t trust me, as I was skating 149 Tensor ATG maglites with bones mediums and 54stfs as well today and had a blast on this setup

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Ha!

I considered getting some 8” tensor mag light lows. I’m all low trucks rn.

The ATGs with 54mm wheels don't feel High to me, just normal...def weird but man, the slappy game was strong today...it's really hard to put down the maglites for slappydayz.

[rocklobster]

@Xen what brand of hard bushings did you go with? I did 1 setup on AF1 Lows before going to Thunder, feel like the bushing route could get me to give Ace another shot.

[LebowskisRug]

If I wanted a lower Indy I’d get forged hollow mid. Lighter than Ace lows.

I wouldn’t skate Ace as a replacement for thunders either, I’d skate the new royals.

The royals check all the boxes and I keep finding my way back to them…lighter than the Ace lows too, If that matters.

Best sub 52mm trucks are Ace lows and the forged mindy When it comes to loose trucks and minimal wheebite tho easy.

I never got used to the Royal pop feel. It's super light, but I think I prefer a bit heavier. Historically Thunder and Indy Standards work best for me and the lighter variants always end up feeling a bit too light.

[Xen]

@Xen what brand of hard bushings did you go with? I did 1 setup on AF1 Lows before going to Thunder, feel like the bushing route could get me to give Ace another shot.

Ace hard lows

[Fs_smith_98]

So guys is it confirmed that the only difference in these ace af1 lows is the baseplate? So one can swap hangers between lows and normal af1s? I'm very tempted to get some 60 lows in order to actually have standard 60 for a bowl setup and try to skate the lows in 44-55 size.

[Fs_smith_98]

Also i've always been very curious to try and put the ace low bushings in other trucks (thunders mostly)

[logjammin]

Thunders have taller bottom bushings than Ace hi's, don't put low Ace bushings in Thunders, they will not jive. And yes, the baseplates are the only difference that makes them lows.

[Xen]

So guys is it confirmed that the only difference in these ace af1 lows is the baseplate? So one can swap hangers between lows and normal af1s? I'm very tempted to get some 60 lows in order to actually have standard 60 for a bowl setup and try to skate the lows in 44-55 size.

Correct.

Thunders have taller bottom bushings than Ace hi's, don't put low Ace bushings in Thunders, they will not jive. And yes, the baseplates are the only difference that makes them lows.

Correct, but no one will put your nuts in a vice if you give it a go anyway   Personally I find a barrel bushing in Thunders to totally ruin how they feel.

[darkstarwallet]

I'm debating indulging my madness with the AF1 Lows. I have two setups rn, an 8.5" and an 8.38" with 55/44 AF1s respectively. I was thinking of swapping one of the trucks out for either Thunders or AF1 lows, probably the 44s. I haven't skated Thunders in years and I'm worried I'll miss the Ace carve if I switch out. They do seem more stable though and I keep hearing about the pinch. I'm starting to get more comfortable on ledges and rails and I want to start flipping in and out of them and level up my grind game beside crooks and 50s. Should I get the AF1 lows or some Thunder (Lights?), and if I do get the AF1 lows will my 53 classics work or should I size down? thanks for any input

[Xen]

Ace low or indy forged hollow mid (50.5 and lighter than ace) or Royal (52mm).

I've only run 52mm on my ace lows and I ride loose, they were fine - tho now I run the hard low bushings which puts them on par with thunder stability but with more carve.

The royals will give you the best of both.

But, since you seem to be all in on ACE, just get lows but pick up the hard bushings for something closer to thunder.

[darkstarwallet]

Ace low or indy forged hollow mid (50.5 and lighter than ace) or Royal (52mm).

I've only run 52mm on my ace lows and I ride loose, they were fine - tho now I run the hard low bushings which puts them on par with thunder stability but with more carve.

The royals will give you the best of both.

But, since you seem to be all in on ACE, just get lows but pick up the hard bushings for something closer to thunder.

I might be open to the Royals, Ben's review made me curious about them. I'm over Indy tho. I tried the hard Ace AF1 bushings on my normal AF1s and ended up going back to stock. With that in mind I'm guessing you'd recommend the 8.25" Royals over Thunders/AF1 Lows?

edit: do you think I could get away with 54mm spit tablets on the Royals?

[Xen]

Depends on how tight you ride.

The royals/stock are super loose/carvey out of the gate, very reminiscent of skating aces but with a bit more stability/less squirrelyness.

The forged mindy skate amazing but still feel like Indy (but I like them better than regular forged Indy).

Thing is, nothing skates like Ace, switching to anything can be a let down.

If you have to have some carve I’d go with the royals over thunder every time.

[goodatmeth]

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Ace low or indy forged hollow mid (50.5 and lighter than ace) or Royal (52mm).

I've only run 52mm on my ace lows and I ride loose, they were fine - tho now I run the hard low bushings which puts them on par with thunder stability but with more carve.

The royals will give you the best of both.

But, since you seem to be all in on ACE, just get lows but pick up the hard bushings for something closer to thunder.

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I might be open to the Royals, Ben's review made me curious about them. I'm over Indy tho. I tried the hard Ace AF1 bushings on my normal AF1s and ended up going back to stock. With that in mind I'm guessing you'd recommend the 8.25" Royals over Thunders/AF1 Lows?

edit: do you think I could get away with 54mm spit tablets on the Royals?

Not only do you get away with 54mm wheels on royals, you're also still getting a great pinch that's closer to thunder than ace. There will be some wheelbite of course but it's more of a soft wheelkiss compared to thunders.

[darkstarwallet]

Depends on how tight you ride.

The royals/stock are super loose/carvey out of the gate, very reminiscent of skating aces but with a bit more stability/less squirrelyness.

The forged mindy skate amazing but still feel like Indy (but I like them better that regular forged Indy).

Thing is, nothing skates like Ace, switching to anything can be a let down.

If you have to have some carve I’d go with the royals over thunder every time.

I skate medium loose. I like carving but I'm open to sacrificing some for performance. I have my other setup with the AF1s if I wanna ride something turny. I'm still really interested in Thunders due to the pinch, weight, and height. I creeped the Royal thread here and people were comparing the pinch to the Aces. (edit: didnt see meth's post lol)

The problem is I want all of them. Lmao. Gun to my head I'd probably choose the AF1 lows with hards just since it's what I know but I'm really tempted to get Thunder lights for the tech.