Wheels Thread

[SHIREFLIP]

Just got these 80hd conical chargers. I will confirm if "EVERYTHING BURNS" and report my findings.
 

Please do!

[weon]

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Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks

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Width of the wheel has nothing to do with grip. A wider wheel will roll over crummy ground better than a narrower one. Wider also wears down slower cuz there's more material to wear down. Wheels shape can help you lock into grinds or get into slappies etc.

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this has never made sense to me. you'd think if you have two wheels of the same formula and duro, the wider wheel would be grippier bc of higher probability of contact? i guess that assumes wherever you're skating is not a perfectly flat surface. or, on the other hand, would a slimmer wheel distribute/concentrate the same weight on a smaller riding surface which could increase grip? or maybe its not even friction but the torque applied to the edges of the wheel which would be determined by the distance from the axle? idk these are random thoughts (and i almost failed general physics II) it's just hard to imagine width has nothing to do with grip.

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Yeah, I know it's kinda counterintuitive for some reason. Took me a while to get too. But the thing is that the weight bearing down to the ground is distributed over a larger area with a wider wheel so per mm^2 in a wider wheel the friction is less but as the wider wheel has more area, the overall grip (friction) will stay the same. If the friction per mm^2 would keep the same, then widening the wheel would make it more grippy but it doesn't due to the force pressing down on the wheel distributing over a larger area.

I think this is a nice explanation:
https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

I've also posted this video many times before. It has a decent example of what is going on IMO:

this makes sense on a flat surface, but i don't know how it translates to uneven ground where active area of contact changes constantly? i feel like at that point it becomes a probability thing of how much ground the area of the wheel is actively touching vs. how much pressure is being exerted on that active patch of contact? although that would reach a similar conclusion to what you're saying: wider wheels would slip less often (based on area) but more/longer (based pressure per area) than a slimmer wheel?? "overall grippiness" would be the same if those two factors scale linearly? sorry, im definitely overthinking this

[TooManyPros]

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Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks

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Width of the wheel has nothing to do with grip. A wider wheel will roll over crummy ground better than a narrower one. Wider also wears down slower cuz there's more material to wear down. Wheels shape can help you lock into grinds or get into slappies etc.

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this has never made sense to me. you'd think if you have two wheels of the same formula and duro, the wider wheel would be grippier bc of higher probability of contact? i guess that assumes wherever you're skating is not a perfectly flat surface. or, on the other hand, would a slimmer wheel distribute/concentrate the same weight on a smaller riding surface which could increase grip? or maybe its not even friction but the torque applied to the edges of the wheel which would be determined by the distance from the axle? idk these are random thoughts (and i almost failed general physics II) it's just hard to imagine width has nothing to do with grip.

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Yeah, I know it's kinda counterintuitive for some reason. Took me a while to get too. But the thing is that the weight bearing down to the ground is distributed over a larger area with a wider wheel so per mm^2 in a wider wheel the friction is less but as the wider wheel has more area, the overall grip (friction) will stay the same. If the friction per mm^2 would keep the same, then widening the wheel would make it more grippy but it doesn't due to the force pressing down on the wheel distributing over a larger area.

I think this is a nice explanation:
https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

I've also posted this video many times before. It has a decent example of what is going on IMO:

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this makes sense on a flat surface, but i don't know how it translates to uneven ground where active area of contact changes constantly? i feel like at that point it becomes a probability thing of how much ground the area of the wheel is actively touching vs. how much pressure is being exerted on that active patch of contact? although that would reach a similar conclusion to what you're saying: wider wheels would slip less often (based on area) but more/longer (based pressure per area) than a slimmer wheel?? "overall grippiness" would be the same if those two factors scale linearly? sorry, im definitely overthinking this

I've had this discussion a few times. Based on that logic, a wider wheel would have a greater chance of being grippier, no?

[Larry Dallas]

I just bought 60mm spit classics.  I saw Koston had a set on some thunders without risers and it sent me on a downward spiral.

[FROTHY]

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Just got these 80hd conical chargers. I will confirm if "EVERYTHING BURNS" and report my findings.
 

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Please do!

They're fun, but they're really just cruiser wheels. I was hoping for something in the middle. Fun for speeding around rough asphalt though. They'd be perfect for a college campus or city commuter set-up if you don't wan't something too longboardy.

[talklessSkateMore]

I just bought 60mm spit classics.  I saw Koston had a set on some thunders without risers and it sent me on a downward spiral.

Damn

[Sundaynuggets]

I just bought 60mm spit classics.  I saw Koston had a set on some thunders without risers and it sent me on a downward spiral.

I love these wheels. Been riding them for a few months and while it did take a bit to get used to the jump up in size (from 54/56), they feel comfortable now and slide really well now that they are broken in a bit

[cosmicgypsies]

60mm on thunders without wheelbite? 

[Xen]

60mm on thunders without wheelbite? 

Super tight and with risers maybe? Otherwise:

[roba]

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60mm on thunders without wheelbite? 

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Super tight and with risers maybe? Otherwise:

nah, it's impossible not to get wheelbite on thunders with 60mm wheels, unless you have risers that are 10mm tall or something. even if the trucks are as tight as they get without not being able to turn at all you'll get wheelbite on them from my experience.

[Xen]

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60mm on thunders without wheelbite? 

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Super tight and with risers maybe? Otherwise:

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nah, it's impossible not to get wheelbite on thunders with 60mm wheels, unless you have risers that are 10mm tall or something. even if the trucks are as tight as they get without not being able to turn at all you'll get wheelbite on them from my experience.

Same, riding 51s(?) on thunders with stock bushings and the bite/pinch is lethal.

[Larry Dallas]

You get wheelbite on all size wheels. Anyway, spitfires are made in Mexico now?

[cosmicgypsies]

in my experience in the last 3/4 years on thunders youll be alright up to around 52mm but after that yeah youll start getting wheelbite. running risers with 54s atm.

[curbslayer]

You get wheelbite on all size wheels. Anyway, spitfires are made in Mexico now?

every pair

[Sundaynuggets]

Just got these to see what 92a’s feel like. They don’t powerslide nearly as well as the Spitfire classics (99a) I usually ride, but they handle rough terrain and fucked up gravelly streets slightly better. They don’t handle that terrain nearly as well as the 90a Mini logos I’ve tried (those make everything feel comfortable), but they powerslide a little whereas the ML’s don’t budge an inch.

Ledge trick wise, the 92a’s work fine. They don’t stick like the 90a’s do, and while they do stick slightly more on boardslides and lipslides than the 99a’s, nose/tail slides and crooked grinds are totally fine with these.

Overall, I like them. It would be nice if they made them in a bigger size, like 60mm, as that’s what I’m used to riding at the moment, but I like these fine.

[j....soy.....]

You should try easy streets....

[Sundaynuggets]

You should try easy streets....

Just checked out the Easy streets thread and they sound like what I’m looking for. Might try some of the 56 fatties next, thanks!

[j....soy.....]

To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley. 

[Sundaynuggets]

To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley.

Awesome, thats exactly it, I love the mini logo wheels (and the other soft wheels I have ridden) as far as feel on rough terrain goes, I even like that weird bounce they have (though it would be better if they were slightly less bouncy), but I can’t get over how bad they stick on slides and ledge tricks

[Nth syd bear]

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To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley.

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Awesome, thats exactly it, I love the mini logo wheels (and the other soft wheels I have ridden) as far as feel on rough terrain goes, I even like that weird bounce they have (though it would be better if they were slightly less bouncy), but I can’t get over how bad they stick on slides and ledge tricks

I skate 52mm 95a wheels.. lil bit more grip but once i use to them still slide fine

[Sundaynuggets]

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To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley.

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Awesome, thats exactly it, I love the mini logo wheels (and the other soft wheels I have ridden) as far as feel on rough terrain goes, I even like that weird bounce they have (though it would be better if they were slightly less bouncy), but I can’t get over how bad they stick on slides and ledge tricks

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I skate 52mm 95a wheels.. lil bit more grip but once i use to them still slide fine

Sweet! What brand are they? Also, how are they on rough streets?

[Dad you're embarrassing me]

Anyone skated SML 99d grocery bags? I usually skate Spitfire classic formula, but these are in the local shop in a 56 conical, and my usual wheels are not.

[thebacker]

Anyone skated SML 99d grocery bags? I usually skate Spitfire classic formula, but these are in the local shop in a 56 conical, and my usual wheels are not.

they are very similiar to the classics

you'll enjoy them

[GasTheHostage]

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To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley.

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Awesome, thats exactly it, I love the mini logo wheels (and the other soft wheels I have ridden) as far as feel on rough terrain goes, I even like that weird bounce they have (though it would be better if they were slightly less bouncy), but I can’t get over how bad they stick on slides and ledge tricks

yeah soft wheels aren't recommended for slides or ledge tricks cuz (obviously) they're grippier. I agree that basically any soft wheel ive had bounces (I honestly hate it cuz i like to throw down my board when hopping on)

[Dad you're embarrassing me]

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Anyone skated SML 99d grocery bags? I usually skate Spitfire classic formula, but these are in the local shop in a 56 conical, and my usual wheels are not.

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they are very similiar to the classics

you'll enjoy them

Thanks!

[weon]

I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins? if the blunt edge is for locking in, is the outside cutaway just for looks? reminds me of the debate about whether they were supposed to be graphics in or out, which makes me think those who put em wrong were essentially just riding conicals.

on the other hand, do ppl think the conical “lip/overhang” has an effect on wheel grip or wheelfeel if it’s like, bendy? (like how you can “bend in” the edges of a 78a wheel)

and why are wheels usually symmetrical? I’d assume weight distribution, cus otherwise when do we use the outside of wheels? this is pretty much my stream of consciousness so feel free to address/ignore any or all of it.

[Firebert]

I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins?

Rolling over coping is easier with a rounded edge.

and why are wheels usually symmetrical?

So you can flip them when they start to cone out and use them longer.

[arrbee]

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I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins?

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Rolling over coping is easier with a rounded edge.

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and why are wheels usually symmetrical?

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So you can flip them when they start to cone out and use them longer.

I usually just trash them and move along with a new set

[SHIREFLIP]

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I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins?

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Rolling over coping is easier with a rounded edge.

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and why are wheels usually symmetrical?

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So you can flip them when they start to cone out and use them longer.

I also feel like the conical outside makes some of my flip tricks feel less clunky. I had bones v2s for a while, they were not coned on the outside, and once they wore down a little it made flipping the board feel way jerkier. Not bad, but not great either.

I just got some 101 f4 lockins and it fixed the problem.

(It might all be in my head, though.)

[mongopushingmallgraber]

I love the F4 Classic shape 55mm 99a Wheels so much that if they stopped making them I would stop skateboarding.