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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3990 on: July 26, 2021, 04:16:06 PM »
Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)

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« Reply #3991 on: July 26, 2021, 04:53:37 PM »
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Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.
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I can't find video but a while back Proff.Schmitt (grain of salt here) mentioned that even for bowls/vert whatever, thin wheels were just as grippy as wider wheels with the benefit of weight savings.

The real benefit is how well a wider wheel handles rough terrain vs a skinnier wheel.

Wow, thanks for posting that video. Conclusive proof, I always thought a wider wheel would at least be a little grippier. I was wrong. Of course a wider wheel of the same size will be a few grams heavier but I doubt that makes much of a difference.

While we're on the subject a wheel's shape def has an impact in how it slides, at least in my experience. A classic shaped wheel will slide more easily than a conical, which will slide more easily than an old school vee shaped wheel.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3992 on: July 26, 2021, 05:08:13 PM »
Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
F4 99 54mm classics.
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forgive me if i somehow missed it, but could someone help me with just how flat the flat as fuck decks really are?
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3993 on: July 26, 2021, 05:18:44 PM »
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.

Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3994 on: July 26, 2021, 05:47:28 PM »
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.
Depends of what you want to do regarding crust of the street, etc. I'm way deep down into spitfire country but I would like to try some OJ hardlines for a little change or some STF 99
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forgive me if i somehow missed it, but could someone help me with just how flat the flat as fuck decks really are?
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3995 on: July 26, 2021, 05:51:32 PM »
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Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.
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I can't find video but a while back Proff.Schmitt (grain of salt here) mentioned that even for bowls/vert whatever, thin wheels were just as grippy as wider wheels with the benefit of weight savings.

The real benefit is how well a wider wheel handles rough terrain vs a skinnier wheel.

Ron Whaley's opinion is that theoretically it should't matter - but we don't skate in a lab and real world results show otherwise.



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« Reply #3996 on: July 26, 2021, 06:20:40 PM »
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Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.
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I can't find video but a while back Proff.Schmitt (grain of salt here) mentioned that even for bowls/vert whatever, thin wheels were just as grippy as wider wheels with the benefit of weight savings.

The real benefit is how well a wider wheel handles rough terrain vs a skinnier wheel.
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Ron Whaley's opinion is that theoretically it should't matter - but we don't skate in a lab and real world results show otherwise.


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3997 on: July 26, 2021, 06:21:10 PM »
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.

Conicals or Radial Slims in 54mm 99a, I'm just nitpicking about Classics which feel / look chunky, the lock into grinds wasn't working for me.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3998 on: July 26, 2021, 06:27:15 PM »
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.

With all due respect to Spitfire fans out there, get Loopholes/NFGs instead! They ride just as well if not better than Formula Fours, and they're made in the Bay Area by actual skaters. If you don't mind cosmetic defects, you can get a set of 2nds on www.nfgmfg.com that ride just as well as their full price counterparts available in skateshops.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3999 on: July 26, 2021, 06:29:46 PM »
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.
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With all due respect to Spitfire fans out there, get Loopholes/NFGs instead! They ride just as well if not better than Formula Fours, and they're made in the Bay Area by actual skaters. If you don't mind cosmetic defects, you can get a set of 2nds on www.nfgmfg.com that ride just as well as their full price counterparts available in skateshops.
Would love to but down here we don't get shit
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4000 on: July 26, 2021, 06:44:12 PM »
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.
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With all due respect to Spitfire fans out there, get Loopholes/NFGs instead! They ride just as well if not better than Formula Fours, and they're made in the Bay Area by actual skaters. If you don't mind cosmetic defects, you can get a set of 2nds on www.nfgmfg.com that ride just as well as their full price counterparts available in skateshops.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4001 on: July 26, 2021, 07:26:16 PM »
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« Reply #4002 on: July 26, 2021, 07:45:40 PM »
Switched from oj mini combos to bones conicals and my flip tricks got shittier. Starting to think mini combos are my shape.

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« Reply #4003 on: August 01, 2021, 05:18:39 PM »
Wheel spacer question. As a bike mechanic I understand why performance of the bearings should be way more reliable with proper spacers. But they seem to make my wheels sound insane. Way more noise as they spin. What's the deal

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« Reply #4004 on: August 02, 2021, 11:13:57 AM »
Wheel spacer question. As a bike mechanic I understand why performance of the bearings should be way more reliable with proper spacers. But they seem to make my wheels sound insane. Way more noise as they spin. What's the deal

When you tighten them are they snug? It's the whole point of spacers and speed rings.

I go back and forth on spacer usage...

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4005 on: August 04, 2021, 07:06:54 PM »
how much of an adjustment would i have to make from 54mm 99a tablets to 58mm conical? is the weight difference all that severe? for reference i’m on ace AF1 55 with 1/8 risers.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4006 on: August 04, 2021, 07:18:31 PM »
how much of an adjustment would i have to make from 54mm 99a tablets to 58mm conical? is the weight difference all that severe? for reference i’m on ace AF1 55 with 1/8 risers.

No offense, but if you are riding AF1 55s, weight is already not a concern ;) I doubt you'd notice the difference.

Do they even make a 58mm conical anymore? I know the Conical Fulls got up to 58 and at that point you've got a 6mm difference in width, so a gram or two per wheel, maybe? Less than the weight of one bearing.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4007 on: August 04, 2021, 07:57:13 PM »
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how much of an adjustment would i have to make from 54mm 99a tablets to 58mm conical? is the weight difference all that severe? for reference i’m on ace AF1 55 with 1/8 risers.
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No offense, but if you are riding AF1 55s, weight is already not a concern ;) I doubt you'd notice the difference.

Do they even make a 58mm conical anymore? I know the Conical Fulls got up to 58 and at that point you've got a 6mm difference in width, so a gram or two per wheel, maybe? Less than the weight of one bearing.

I'm swearing off tablets, I fucking hate them.
no offense taken hahaha. thanks for the info in regards to stats. i found some 58 conicals in 97a and some 56s in 99a. kinda stuck between the two. Tablets have been ok for me but i like the overall shape of conicals better. they work much better for me getting across my campus and for slappys :)

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4008 on: August 04, 2021, 09:50:22 PM »
Couldn't find it so not sure if it was posted (and I'm lazy):



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« Reply #4009 on: August 05, 2021, 07:41:33 AM »
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Wheel spacer question. As a bike mechanic I understand why performance of the bearings should be way more reliable with proper spacers. But they seem to make my wheels sound insane. Way more noise as they spin. What's the deal
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When you tighten them are they snug? It's the whole point of spacers and speed rings.

I go back and forth on spacer usage...

I was a bike mechanic too and used spacers until recently.

I don’t use them anymore. Skateboard wheels don’t have great tolerances and urethane is somewhat flexible. What I found is spacers can make my bearings jam and fuck them up more. Spacers make the bearing unit rigid whereas force on the wheel is not equal. If you land semi primo, as I do sometimes popping out of a crooked grind, you have pressure on the outside of the wheel, which makes the wheel twist towards the truck kingpin. Spacers keep the bearing unit rigid during the twist, which creates a ton of force on the bearings and jams them as the races twist.

If you don’t have the spacers then the bearing can move with the urethane and often rebound back into place. A bike is almost always a rigid unit with little rotational force like this. A good example are cup and cone bearings or even sealed axle bearings. On a bike you mostly have vertical force and occasionally lateral force, but even in sharp turns no rotational force.

Lastly lots of wheels have inconsistent spec which only exacerbates the issue. I’ve tossed my spacers and not had a single issue so far whereas I have ruined a few bearings over the past few years with them. I literally cracked a race of a Swiss and a Quantum.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #4010 on: August 05, 2021, 09:45:08 AM »
I feel in a perfect scenario, such as longboard/downhill, spacers fulfill their role (roll) as intended,

The shit we put our bearings through pretty much shits all over the intended [correct] installation and use for bearings and their tolerances.

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« Reply #4011 on: August 05, 2021, 10:16:15 AM »
Even on things like a bike a tad bit of preload wiggle is good. When the UCI Road World Champs came to the States my friend was a mechanic for the event and I got to see some of the pro team bikes up close. Almost all of them had a slight bit of lateral play in the axle bearings because the course had a rough cobblestone section. My logic for skateboard wheels comes from that idea.

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« Reply #4012 on: August 05, 2021, 11:55:41 AM »
Even on things like a bike a tad bit of preload wiggle is good. When the UCI Road World Champs came to the States my friend was a mechanic for the event and I got to see some of the pro team bikes up close. Almost all of them had a slight bit of lateral play in the axle bearings because the course had a rough cobblestone section. My logic for skateboard wheels comes from that idea.

For me it was what I thought was basic logic, whether right or wrong (and to be fair, I have no idea if I ran spacers as a kid) but wheels tightened down didn't spin, wheels not so tight (with lateral play *click*click*) did, so i went with that...plus it sounds better, hard wheels actually chirp and doesn't make your board feel or sound waterlogged.

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« Reply #4013 on: August 05, 2021, 01:32:09 PM »
I am pretty sure that I never ran spacers as a kid cuz it seemed like unnecessary weight, but always ran washers with a bit of wiggle waggle.

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« Reply #4014 on: August 05, 2021, 02:16:30 PM »
I am pretty sure that I never ran spacers as a kid cuz it seemed like unnecessary weight, but always ran washers with a bit of wiggle waggle.

Bones has those bearings with built in spaces but not sure they are universal.

On a separate topic, looking for bigger street wheels like Spitfire Big Heads. I really want that donut wheel ‘classic cut’ vibe.

Are there any other wheel companies that make large round sided wheels?

Acid Chemical Co and Road Crew seem to make larger wheels. Any one try either of these wheels? Any thing else? Thanks

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« Reply #4016 on: August 05, 2021, 02:53:02 PM »
Spitfire OG Classic or Radial

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« Reply #4017 on: August 05, 2021, 04:44:23 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions boys. I am putting together a EE3 style skateboard and I am interested in era style wheels. I saw 59mm big heads on Parade that I may buy but I was just wondering what other options are.



Thanks @Xen for the various suggestions. The Dogtown’s are pretty cool but look a bit too wide. My classics 55mm are great for slappies. I’m just looking to increase the wheel size for a Reasonesque set up.

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« Reply #4018 on: August 05, 2021, 06:28:41 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions boys. I am putting together a EE3 style skateboard and I am interested in era style wheels. I saw 59mm big heads on Parade that I may buy but I was just wondering what other options are.



Thanks @Xen for the various suggestions. The Dogtown’s are pretty cool but look a bit too wide. My classics 55mm are great for slappies. I’m just looking to increase the wheel size for a Reasonesque set up.

Right? Those Dogtowns are NO JOKE! I've ridden some 99a dogtowns, they are quite nice (feel like spit classics in a way); wonder how the 97a feel.

Honestly I think Radials will be your best bet (these are 55mm):

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« Reply #4019 on: August 10, 2021, 06:07:00 AM »
Am I correct in my assumption that Bones 99a STF is the wheel formerly known as Bones 99s Easy Streets, or is there somehow a difference aside from the clever name?