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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: VHS ERA on January 07, 2019, 05:25:41 AM
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I’ve been skating Adidas Suciu ADVs exclusively because that blue adiprene or whatever cushion is the best, but if I could make other shoes have a respectable amount of cushion with an insole I would be down to switch it up.
Is there a best one?
For reference, the idea that people skate Nike SBs is insane to me. Feels like you’re skating in just socks and my aching feet and arthritic bones can’t take it. Need more cushion.
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Footprint Gamechangers
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Footprint Gamechangers
I second that. It hurts just to walk a lot of days. Since getting these and using them everyday at my factory job, I've seen a huge improvement in my health when it comes to pain. I'd recommend these to anyone. Shipping took forever, but it was around the Holidays, so go figure.
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I'm skating the adidas 3st.003 with gamechanger orthotics and it feels like my feet are sucking each others' dicks while I skate
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I don't know how you skated those Suciu insoles. I liked them a lot at first but after a while they were killing the arch in the foot i push with. While squishy, they didn't really give me any support. I had some luck going to a little shop in town that specializes in running shoes though. They watched me walk and jog to see if i over or under pronated and made some recs on insoles from there.
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I’ve been skating Adidas Suciu ADVs exclusively because that blue adiprene or whatever cushion is the best, but if I could make other shoes have a respectable amount of cushion with an insole I would be down to switch it up.
Is there a best one?
For reference, the idea that people skate Nike SBs is insane to me. Feels like you’re skating in just socks and my aching feet and arthritic bones can’t take it. Need more cushion.
I like the Adiprene, I'm skating the Superstar Vulc ADV. Very cushy.
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I'm skating the adidas 3st.003 with gamechanger orthotics and it feels like my feet are sucking each others' dicks while I skate
Damn, I'm gonna have to get some of these.
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i'm standing on concrete all day at work and i've got some kingfoam elites in my work boots and they've solely rescued my aching feet. so take that for what it's worth, never skated them though.
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i'm standing on concrete all day at work and i've got some kingfoam elites in my work boots and they've solely rescued my aching feet. so take that for what it's worth, never skated them though.
I got some game changers and hated them. Then found out I have a mid to high arch and got some kingfoam elites. They are the shit. My feet used to be sore at the end of the day and now I don't really notice it.
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Footprint Gamechangers
^ This or Kingfoam Orthotics. I feel weird wearing shoes with out them now.
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I'm skating the adidas 3st.003 with gamechanger orthotics and it feels like my feet are sucking each others' dicks while I skate
Wait everyone is saying Footprint Gamechangers or Kingfoam Orthotics, which are you talking about?
I too would like to experience this
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there are multiple options. you can get kingfoam or game changers in orthotic or not.
do you guys reheat the insoles when you switch to different shoes?
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do you guys reheat the insoles when you switch to different shoes?
I don't and haven't had any issue. But all my shoes are flat soles and the same size, not sure if that matters.
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The drop in insoles in Vans Pro Skate stuff is goood. Basically like the drop-in insoles in Nike Kostons, but the Nike ones are a light EVA based foam (AKA Lunarlon) that packs out pretty quickly. The Vans Pro drop ins are Poly Urethane foam and that stuff is cushy and doesn't ever pack out. Probably about the same height as the adidas's insoles you are skating.
For what it's worth, the shoes that Supra makes that have thicker drop in insoles are also pretty decent PU foam.
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do you guys reheat the insoles when you switch to different shoes?
I don't and haven't had any issue. But all my shoes are flat soles and the same size, not sure if that matters.
I only molded mine the first time and they've kept shape.
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do you guys reheat the insoles when you switch to different shoes?
I don't and haven't had any issue. But all my shoes are flat soles and the same size, not sure if that matters.
I only molded mine the first time and they've kept shape.
I recently heated and remolded mine, I do it every now and again.
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I only molded mine the first time and they've kept shape.
How often do you wear them? When I first molded them they were a bit flat and didn't really show the contours of my feet. But since I'm on my feet 40+ hours a week, they've actually molded to my foot more since then. It actually looks like a negative of my foot.
On another note for people asking about FP Insoles. They don't fall flat like other insoles that I've seen. The arch support stays put. Which is real nice.
All the time
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This is probably a really dumb question, but are the Gamechangers supposed to be hard? Mine were pretty hard.
I’ve never tried the Kingfoams
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This is probably a really dumb question, but are the Gamechangers supposed to be hard? Mine were pretty hard.
I’ve never tried the Kingfoams
They're hard-ish in your hands but they don't feel hard at all in your shoes. The firmness is because of the material that molds to your feet. Doesn't retain shape if it isn't firm.
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Reading this thread is a great preview of the kinds of conversations we can look forward to while waiting in line for the early bird special at the Sizzler.
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This is probably a really dumb question, but are the Gamechangers supposed to be hard? Mine were pretty hard.
I’ve never tried the Kingfoams
They're hard-ish in your hands but they don't feel hard at all in your shoes. The firmness is because of the material that molds to your feet. Doesn't retain shape if it isn't firm.
That makes sense. I had some years ago and remember liking them but I recently encountered some and kinda forgot how they felt.
I’m probably gonna order another pair tonight.
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I got a bunch of Lunarlons of a flow guy who uses a different insole. I use them in every shoe I wear, even my work boots. I’ve got a pretty flat foot, so the arch support in most other insoles hurt my arches.
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The Kingfoam Orthotics are great, ive got them in shoes i skate, shoes i wear out when i have to dress up and my work boots. Never been disappointed and going from them to something i cant possibly fit them in is noticeable to the point of it being uncomfortable but not painful. Like the game changers, heat and pressure work to them shaping to your feet, you just dont have to bake them beforehand.
They're hard-ish in your hands but they don't feel hard at all in your shoes. The firmness is because of the material that molds to your feet. Doesn't retain shape if it isn't firm.
This is spot on too, it being summer here means im not wearing my shoes everyday after work. I pulled my latest pair out of my shoes and they were rock hard but i next time i wore them it felt like a pillow
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This is probably a really dumb question, but are the Gamechangers supposed to be hard? Mine were pretty hard.
I’ve never tried the Kingfoams
They're hard-ish in your hands but they don't feel hard at all in your shoes. The firmness is because of the material that molds to your feet. Doesn't retain shape if it isn't firm.
That makes sense. I had some years ago and remember liking them but I recently encountered some and kinda forgot how they felt.
I’m probably gonna order another pair tonight.
They heat up with your body heat. I have a pair of the game changers and in the cold they're like rocks. But on foot and warmed up they feel soft.
As for FP orthotics, they always felt too hard and hurt
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I'm skating the adidas 3st.003 with gamechanger orthotics and it feels like my feet are sucking each others' dicks while I skate
Are you feet sloshing around and moist when you skate?
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Since were talking about it, those of you who are also on your feet all day for work and ache... what shoes are you skating and what shoes are you working in?
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Since were talking about it, those of you who are also on your feet all day for work and ache... what shoes are you skating and what shoes are you working in?
skating the dc tiagos right now and have two pairs of huf dylans i wear to work. both with the fp kingfoam insoles.
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Footprint Gamechangers
I used to think game changers where the best until I got the doctor scholls insoles that are at Walmart where you stand on the machine and get tour foot analyzed.
You do sit a little higher when you put them in shoes but that feeling goes away pretty quickly.
They last about 4 months/significantly longer than game changers too.
My toes and other parts of my foot would grind through Game changers so fast.
The ones I’m recommending are just the arch and heel so they last so long.
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I use lunarlons with orthotic arches affixed to the bottoms, that I cut and shaped out of some particularly thick and rigid ortholite insoles from some ave natives that I never wore. This after learning about what my feet and more importantly knees needed from the gamechangers that I loved until they started feeling like the game was less changed some months in. Now I got the cushion and the contour.
I like that latest huf insole as well (in the hupper 2's) which is like a springier memory foam, not that perforated multicolored bs like previous. I'll be racking hupper 2's on sale steadily over the next year as huf slides into oblivion. It's a pity. They perfected a great shoe with that insole.
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Since were talking about it, those of you who are also on your feet all day for work and ache... what shoes are you skating and what shoes are you working in?
I switched over to cupsoles to combat the aches, so I skate the Laced Emericas but I wear Steel Blue workboots, I doubt many on here would have heard of them
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My dr scholls fit just fine in my hiking boots and all my skate shoes, my feet used to hurt a lot after my 10 hour shifts. All on my feet constantly moving. Game changers helped fix that and these insoles fixes that too.
$50 might seem like a hearty price but they are worth it.
So they can work great for any situation you face.
Especially help when I had to wear Stacy Adams dress shoes. I’ve never had comfy dress shoes until I put my dr scholls in them.
I would still be buying game changers if they lasted me longer.
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I always liked the nice cushy foam rebound of éS insoles before they went under, who makes insoles that are comparable? I’d be interested in trying game changers or kingfoams but I don’t want to regret my purchase.
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I'd highly recommend the Footprint Elite insole, it's flat with a 10mm heel tapered to a 5mm toe.
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Does anyone have the problem with the footprint hi foam insoles where they move up or out of place? It's been happening to me a lot lately.
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I wear the Kingfoam Orthotics in every shoe I wear. I've ripped the stock insole out on a few pairs of shoes that didn't have a removable insole and they fit and were fine. I haven't reheated them once yet but I've been running them for over a year and it's probably time to get a new set.
As far as work is concerned, they helped me a lot when I had a job where I was walking on a hard concrete floor all day. For that job, I settled on putting them into NB 533s and that was what I needed to not have super sore feet and ankles when I got of work every day.
I used to have actual orthotics from a podiatrist because I have really flat feet. I basically can't live without actual arch support. I lost those orthotics in an accident and insurance no longer pays for them so I had to look around for what else I could use. I'd be interested in comparing prescription orthotics to the FP joints. FPs might win because they have a nice amount of squish to them.
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Does anyone have the problem with the footprint hi foam insoles where they move up or out of place? It's been happening to me a lot lately.
Yeah, I've had that happen - try some double sided tape on the bottom running vertically down the shoe, that helped me.
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for a fairly cheap alternative, the insoles found in Straye shoes are awesome. Just check zumiez, order a half size up from your usual size, and toss the shoes but keep the insoles. You can find the shoes for like $10-$15 often, I've even seen them for $2.48 on there. Worth it.
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Only somewhat relevant, but I also don't think it needs it's own thread:
What are people's thoughts on the effectiveness (as far as cushioning and support) of a vulcanized shoe with a good insole vs a cupsole with a thinner, more standard insole/sockliner?
I've read that a cupsole is better, but I've ran vulcanized shoes with ultracush or lunarlon for years and I feel fine. Am I missing out?
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Whatever footprint insole I got, I hate. Maybe its because I haven't broken them in yet, but they are TOO squishy. There's always a period of time where the insole compresses when I take a step so board feel is delayed.
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Only somewhat relevant, but I also don't think it needs it's own thread:
What are people's thoughts on the effectiveness (as far as cushioning and support) of a vulcanized shoe with a good insole vs a cupsole with a thinner, more standard insole/sockliner?
I've read that a cupsole is better, but I've ran vulcanized shoes with ultracush or lunarlon for years and I feel fine. Am I missing out?
I prefer stability of cupsoles, but it is also what I grew up with. Every foot is unique, and humans have an insane ability to adapt to almost anything - best advice is to use what is most comfortable and that usually seems to be what we are most used to.
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i took these from wal mart and theyre pretty decent
(https://i5.walmartimages.ca/images/Large/600/363/999999-96506600363.jpg)
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Only somewhat relevant, but I also don't think it needs it's own thread:
What are people's thoughts on the effectiveness (as far as cushioning and support) of a vulcanized shoe with a good insole vs a cupsole with a thinner, more standard insole/sockliner?
I've read that a cupsole is better, but I've ran vulcanized shoes with ultracush or lunarlon for years and I feel fine. Am I missing out?
Cupsoles are like skating in clogs. I am bewildered as to how people do it. I run Vans pros with Kingfoam Elites...and it’s SOOOO good.
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Depends on the cupsole, figgys and Romero’s work great with a footprint insole and are akin to skating a Vulc.
I’d imagine some reissue èS with them would feel like having boots on
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i bought footprint orthotics and they are really good. running them in some busenitz adv atm. haven't skated them yet due to time and weather, but i have a few 8 hour work shifts and they are quite comfortable and support my foot pretty alright. not as cushioned in the front as the lunarlon sole i had in there before, so they might be best suited for classic cupsoles that don't need a fat cushy insole. i might get gamechangers too for skating and keep the orthotics for my workshoes.
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So this is kinda skate related. What would be a good insole for both skating and walking with arch support? I don't get out of the boot (foot surgery) until mid-March but I was trying to buy a few things ahead of time.
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ive been skating rhe dylan slip on without insoles and theyre beyond perfect, even for shoulder high spots.
and i dont put them back on when not skating, and the past like 6 to 7 shoes ive skated have had the same treatment and i fucking love the extra boardfeel but i dont know how mucj thats fucking with my back problems
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So this is kinda skate related. What would be a good insole for both skating and walking with arch support? I don't get out of the boot (foot surgery) until mid-March but I was trying to buy a few things ahead of time.
the footprint orthotics i mentioned have very good arch support and are certainly better in terms of impact protection than the stock insole of the busenitz adv i've put them in.
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Alright dude thanks. I’ll definitely get some since I’ll be walking in the next 5 weeks.
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Depends on the cupsole, figgys and Romero’s work great with a footprint insole and are akin to skating a Vulc.
I’d imagine some reissue èS with them would feel like having boots on
Accels still feel great with my extra insoles in them.
The slims work with them too once the slims are broken in a bit.
https://www.drscholls.com/products/pain-relief/custom-fit-orthotic-inserts/
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So this is kinda skate related. What would be a good insole for both skating and walking with arch support? I don't get out of the boot (foot surgery) until mid-March but I was trying to buy a few things ahead of time.
I move my Footprint orthos from shoe to shoe these days for consistency (body has mileage so I can feel it in my legs and low back when NOT using them all the time); I use them while working out as well except on leg day when I go zero drop.
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So this is kinda skate related. What would be a good insole for both skating and walking with arch support? I don't get out of the boot (foot surgery) until mid-March but I was trying to buy a few things ahead of time.
I move my Footprint orthos from shoe to shoe these days for consistency (body has mileage so I can feel it in my legs and low back when NOT using them all the time); I use them while working out as well except on leg day when I go zero drop.
Zero drop?
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I’ve been skating Adidas Suciu ADVs exclusively because that blue adiprene or whatever cushion is the best, but if I could make other shoes have a respectable amount of cushion with an insole I would be down to switch it up.
Is there a best one?
For reference, the idea that people skate Nike SBs is insane to me. Feels like you’re skating in just socks and my aching feet and arthritic bones can’t take it. Need more cushion.
Emerica now, emerica tomorrow, emerica forever. cop those wino g6s
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In regards to the cup/vulc question: Right around the time I started to notice that my feet would hurt after skating with bad shoes, I tried some PJ Ladd NBs. I thought the cupsole would feel like too substantial a barrier between my feet and board, but after I got used to it I didn't really mind (tricks felt the same) and my feet felt better.
I switched back to vulc after I found some Blazer highs with lunarlon insoles. Best shoe I ever skated, and I used the lunarlon insoles for multiple pairs of shoes. Haven't been able to find Nikes or Cons with lunarlon insoles since. I've recently been skating Vans with Ultracush 3D insoles. I wore them with the Chima 2s they came with, then switched them over to some Style 112s and that combo works pretty well. Never tried aftermarket insoles though - still fantasizing about finding shoes with a lunarlon insole in 9.5...
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In regards to the cup/vulc question: Right around the time I started to notice that my feet would hurt after skating with bad shoes, I tried some PJ Ladd NBs. I thought the cupsole would feel like too substantial a barrier between my feet and board, but after I got used to it I didn't really mind (tricks felt the same) and my feet felt better.
I switched back to vulc after I found some Blazer highs with lunarlon insoles. Best shoe I ever skated, and I used the lunarlon insoles for multiple pairs of shoes. Haven't been able to find Nikes or Cons with lunarlon insoles since. I've recently been skating Vans with Ultracush 3D insoles. I wore them with the Chima 2s they came with, then switched them over to some Style 112s and that combo works pretty well. Never tried aftermarket insoles though - still fantasizing about finding shoes with a lunarlon insole in 9.5...
Not a shoe but...
https://insolesgeek.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&zenid=4d3fb1c194e200b845327aed9609e25a&keyword=lunarlon&x=0&y=0
I guess the rarity makes the cost about half that of a pair of shoes? Interesting though, I wonder what their source is.
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ive been skating rhe dylan slip on without insoles and theyre beyond perfect, even for shoulder high spots.
and i dont put them back on when not skating, and the past like 6 to 7 shoes ive skated have had the same treatment and i fucking love the extra boardfeel but i dont know how mucj thats fucking with my back problems
This is not okay. Please start using an insole again.
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Shoutout everyone in this thread man. Footprint gamechangers are feeling great. I actually haven’t even skated them yet but for work where I walk for miles has been amazing. I don’t really understand the difference between the footprint options but the game changers are doing me well.
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Whatever footprint insole I got, I hate. Maybe its because I haven't broken them in yet, but they are TOO squishy. There's always a period of time where the insole compresses when I take a step so board feel is delayed.
I feel you!
Skated the Footprint 3mm Flat insole for 2 years and got used to it, switched back to these: https://www.noene.com/en/product/universal-no2-insoles/ and the boardfeel increased but the protection decreased.
Skated both in Vans Kyle Walkers.
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In regards to the cup/vulc question: Right around the time I started to notice that my feet would hurt after skating with bad shoes, I tried some PJ Ladd NBs. I thought the cupsole would feel like too substantial a barrier between my feet and board, but after I got used to it I didn't really mind (tricks felt the same) and my feet felt better.
I switched back to vulc after I found some Blazer highs with lunarlon insoles. Best shoe I ever skated, and I used the lunarlon insoles for multiple pairs of shoes. Haven't been able to find Nikes or Cons with lunarlon insoles since. I've recently been skating Vans with Ultracush 3D insoles. I wore them with the Chima 2s they came with, then switched them over to some Style 112s and that combo works pretty well. Never tried aftermarket insoles though - still fantasizing about finding shoes with a lunarlon insole in 9.5...
Not a shoe but...
https://insolesgeek.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&zenid=4d3fb1c194e200b845327aed9609e25a&keyword=lunarlon&x=0&y=0
I guess the rarity makes the cost about half that of a pair of shoes? Interesting though, I wonder what their source is.
Yep, Lunarlon insoles last well, I still use the 4 pair I accumulated 5-7 years ago in all my skate shoes
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Shoutout everyone in this thread man. Footprint gamechangers are feeling great. I actually haven’t even skated them yet but for work where I walk for miles has been amazing. I don’t really understand the difference between the footprint options but the game changers are doing me well.
There's definitely a big difference. I think I mentioned it already in this thread, but gamechangers made my feet hurt and actually made me feel like I pulled something in my arch. After realizing I had a high arch I got the elites and they are great. Highly recommended to do the 'step on cardboard with a wet foot' test before getting any footprints.
I will say it makes no sense because instinctually I would think it would be the opposite, the gamechangers have the big arch bump so I would think they would be good for high arch feet, but they ain't.
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Shoutout everyone in this thread man. Footprint gamechangers are feeling great. I actually haven’t even skated them yet but for work where I walk for miles has been amazing. I don’t really understand the difference between the footprint options but the game changers are doing me well.
There's definitely a big difference. I think I mentioned it already in this thread, but gamechangers made my feet hurt and actually made me feel like I pulled something in my arch. After realizing I had a high arch I got the elites and they are great. Highly recommended to do the 'step on cardboard with a wet foot' test before getting any footprints.
I will say it makes no sense because instinctually I would think it would be the opposite, the gamechangers have the big arch bump so I would think they would be good for high arch feet, but they ain't.
I guess I got lucky. Fit pretty perfectly to me.
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+1 for Footprint Gamechangers, I use them in everything (well, almost, just not the new NB# 913s, if I put them in there is no room and I feel like I'm going to pop out of the shoe.
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+1 for Footprint Gamechangers, I use them in everything (well, almost, just not the new NB# 913s, if I put them in there is no room and I feel like I'm going to pop out of the shoe.
Do people put game changers over the existing insoles in shoes. I always thought they are a total replacement.
I've gone totally regular obsessed with shoes and insoles at the moment. Im in my 40's and my 30+ years of skating my feet are beginning to give me shit.
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+1 for Footprint Gamechangers, I use them in everything (well, almost, just not the new NB# 913s, if I put them in there is no room and I feel like I'm going to pop out of the shoe.
Do people put game changers over the existing insoles in shoes. I always thought they are a total replacement.
I've gone totally regular obsessed with shoes and insoles at the moment. Im in my 40's and my 30+ years of skating my feet are beginning to give me shit.
Using another insole over original ones sounds like a bad idea, they could leave your ankle way too high on the shoe and prone to twist.
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Being an older skateboarder, I’ve had bouts with chronic joint and heel pain from wearing bad skate shoes (https://www.concretewavemagazine.com/best-skateboarding-insoles/)and the injuries I sustained over the years. These Old Bones skate shoe insoles are packed with awesome features that are a cut above the rest. I know I can rely on these to look after my safety and comfort as well.
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What’s everyone rocking these days? Thinking about some reminds but not sure which version is for cup and which is for vulc? Anyone run remind medics?
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What’s everyone rocking these days? Thinking about some reminds but not sure which version is for cup and which is for vulc? Anyone run remind medics?
I have medics in my nb 440. Only skated them two times so far, but they feel good.
I had never heard of old bones before, and when I Bing'ed them I stumbled on these:
https://www.milosport.com/products/vans-pop-cush-v3-insole-in-purple
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I like to skate my shoes until the soles are blown out. So I epoxied a pair of eS STI insoles on top of Dr. Scholl’s thin gel insoles. When vulcs start to get worn down/mushy and hurt my feet, I pop in the aforementioned insoles and everything feels good again. ;D
Yep that is definitely a good way of doing things.
When travelling and visiting various stores over the years and so many people complained about the new Vans insoles, I would always tell them to put the mushed out insoles from your old shoes into the new Vans shoes, which for most people stop their feet getting bad blisters, as well as having a better board feel experience from day one.
Then (similarly to what you do) once the shoes are wearing thin, put the new insoles back in and the shoes will feel like they have a second life. Totally blew some minds, but it worked well, not just in Vans shoes, but many others too.
I am still running insoles from TNT2 and similar era (2005 - 2011) Vans pro shoes, which just last so well and feel way more comfortable than the newer ones, but that is just me.
It frustrates me the number of times people have gone to throw out shoes (insoles included) that are still ok, when they should have kept the insoles, even put them through the wash or just left out in the sun or spray with disinfectant and are good to go again - obviously not all insoles, but many will last well enough in quite a few pairs of shoes.
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Anybody have any info on the G6 insoles that emerica sells separately? As thick as last years popcush?
I use the gamechangers in cup soles
But right now I’m skating
Popcush from rowans in last resort, after removing the glued in last resort insole.
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I've got a few pairs of gamechangers, but can't find anything but the low-profile ones. (3mm instead of 5mm thick)
Has anyone had experience skating the low-profile version, and are they worth it? Blazers hurt my feet so I'm trying to see if these will help but i worry 3mm is too thin for vulcs that are already pretty thin
I had to fight so hard to get FP to ship me anything...ordered one low-profile pair and took 3 emails over a month to get them to actually drop off the damn package at USPS. Tried to order a second pair of the 5mm ones, and it took them weeks to tell me they were out of stock. Gave me the option of replacing my order with low-profile insoles, but i told them no just wait for the 5mm...and then they shipped me another pair of low-profiles anyway...
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I've got a few pairs of gamechangers, but can't find anything but the low-profile ones. (3mm instead of 5mm thick)
Has anyone had experience skating the low-profile version, and are they worth it? Blazers hurt my feet so I'm trying to see if these will help but i worry 3mm is too thin for vulcs that are already pretty thin
I had to fight so hard to get FP to ship me anything...ordered one low-profile pair and took 3 emails over a month to get them to actually drop off the damn package at USPS. Tried to order a second pair of the 5mm ones, and it took them weeks to tell me they were out of stock. Gave me the option of replacing my order with low-profile insoles, but i told them no just wait for the 5mm...and then they shipped me another pair of low-profiles anyway...
I had bought a few of the different options from a local distributor for a shop here in AU, not so much to sell but more to test and see what worked and what didn't. By combining a couple of the thinner ones, or playing a bit of mix and match, most of the thicker ones worked well on their own, but the low profile or thinner ones were just too thin to use comfortably on their own, but worked well enough over the top of some of the factory glued down insoles in shoes like the Vans classics.
Might not work well in all situations, but getting some of the cheaper $2 flat footbed laytex insoles from the supermarket worked well under the thinner ones too, or in cases where the shoe blows out a bit and is loose on your foot, adding a pair of these helps make a shoe snug again.
They look like this:
https://ikrorwxhkimlln5p.ldycdn.com/cloud/lnBqiKijRlmSmpqnkqop/25-xiao.gif
(https://ikrorwxhkimlln5p.ldycdn.com/cloud/lnBqiKijRlmSmpqnkqop/25-xiao.gif)
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Yea that's a good call - could even stack two of the lows for a thick insole...might do that instead of begging them to send me my next order ha
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I've got a few pairs of gamechangers, but can't find anything but the low-profile ones. (3mm instead of 5mm thick)
Has anyone had experience skating the low-profile version, and are they worth it? Blazers hurt my feet so I'm trying to see if these will help but i worry 3mm is too thin for vulcs that are already pretty thin
I had to fight so hard to get FP to ship me anything...ordered one low-profile pair and took 3 emails over a month to get them to actually drop off the damn package at USPS. Tried to order a second pair of the 5mm ones, and it took them weeks to tell me they were out of stock. Gave me the option of replacing my order with low-profile insoles, but i told them no just wait for the 5mm...and then they shipped me another pair of low-profiles anyway...
I had bought a few of the different options from a local distributor for a shop here in AU, not so much to sell but more to test and see what worked and what didn't. By combining a couple of the thinner ones, or playing a bit of mix and match, most of the thicker ones worked well on their own, but the low profile or thinner ones were just too thin to use comfortably on their own, but worked well enough over the top of some of the factory glued down insoles in shoes like the Vans classics.
Might not work well in all situations, but getting some of the cheaper $2 flat footbed laytex insoles from the supermarket worked well under the thinner ones too, or in cases where the shoe blows out a bit and is loose on your foot, adding a pair of these helps make a shoe snug again.
They look like this:
https://ikrorwxhkimlln5p.ldycdn.com/cloud/lnBqiKijRlmSmpqnkqop/25-xiao.gif
(https://ikrorwxhkimlln5p.ldycdn.com/cloud/lnBqiKijRlmSmpqnkqop/25-xiao.gif)
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- Etnies STI insoles - they come in Marana, Joslin, Joslin 2
- State Footwear - standard insoles that come in their vulcs. Dense, cushiony, and a solid more comfortable (imo) alternative to pop cush.
- Emerica G6 insoles- they come in a variety of their vulc and cup models, so I've saved a few. These have a noticeable arch support where Etnies STI has much less, so that's something to note for desired comfort if you use these
- Nike SB Dunks - the ones that came in the thinner versions of dunks. More pliable, but cushioned than the traditional zoom insoles they use.
I rotate all of these in models I skate/weer regularly. If I'm skating etnies, I keep em stock with the STI insoles.
Been itching to try FP tho
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Reviving a dead thread here but has anyone tried out the https://oldbonestherapy.com/products/shock-absorbing-foot-insoles (https://oldbonestherapy.com/products/shock-absorbing-foot-insoles)?
(https://oldbonestherapy.com/cdn/shop/files/Insoles-RED-SQ-sm.jpg?v=1687213625&width=823)
Same question for the Birkenstock Birkosport?
(https://theinsolestore.com/cdn/shop/products/1001113__19037.jpg?v=1628098333&width=600)
https://theinsolestore.com/products/birkenstock-birkosport-arch-support-insoles?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M432570120&msclkid=6f7811bdc11a1134ec0a757e3890a011&utm_term=4581115212680770&utm_content=All%20Insoles%20%26%20Inserts (ftp://theinsolestore.com/products/birkenstock-birkosport-arch-support-insoles?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=M432570120&msclkid=6f7811bdc11a1134ec0a757e3890a011&utm_term=4581115212680770&utm_content=All%20Insoles%20%26%20Inserts)
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Reviving a dead thread here but has anyone tried out the https://oldbonestherapy.com/products/shock-absorbing-foot-insoles (https://oldbonestherapy.com/products/shock-absorbing-foot-insoles)?
Some others I know have had those ones and loved them.
I guess it is just down to what your feet are like and what the insoles do for your feet.
Same with shoes, as a style of shoe might be perfect for me but horrible for you.
Insoles should be a little easier to make work though, especially the cut to size / fit sort. Just don't cut them too small to start with.
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These are my new go-to. I'm old and overweight but I can still skate Chuck Taylors by swapping out the stock insoles for these.
(https://theinsolestore.com/cdn/shop/products/1001284__49467.jpg?v=1628098368&width=600)
https://theinsolestore.com/products/birkenstock-birko-active-arch-support-insoles
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For mid arch feet: Gamechanger Customs or Kingfoam Orthotics? What's the difference? And if either is better, why?
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Any of the high density foam insoles for walking, hiking, or running with a good heel cup/padding is better than FP in most cases. Birkenstock, Sole, Superfeet, etc.
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Being an older skateboarder, I’ve had bouts with chronic joint and heel pain from wearing bad skate shoes (https://www.concretewavemagazine.com/best-skateboarding-insoles/)and the injuries I sustained over the years. These Old Bones skate shoe insoles are packed with awesome features that are a cut above the rest. I know I can rely on these to look after my safety and comfort as well.
Fellow old man that just wanted to say thanks for this rec. Definitely seems to have helped with some heel pain I was experiencing.
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I still swear by these: https://www.hefeluxx.com/products/starter-insoles (https://www.hefeluxx.com/products/starter-insoles)
Been using the same pair for years, just recently started breaking in a second set. Pretty neutral, basic shape, but they have some other options if you’re looking for more contour. Essentially gives your shoes a Boost midsole.
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My heel, since I stopped skating 808, is giving me shoes issues that made me consider getting some FP.
I'm between game changers and the elites. Any thoughts about it?
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My heel, since I stopped skating 808, is giving me shoes issues that made me consider getting some FP.
I'm between game changers and the elites. Any thoughts about it?
Maybe I got a bad pair but the elite hi FP insoles gave me a ton of heel pain. They’re hard as a rock and even just skating flat hurt my heels. Haven’t tried the game changers so I can’t speak for those.
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My heel, since I stopped skating 808, is giving me shoes issues that made me consider getting some FP.
I'm between game changers and the elites. Any thoughts about it?
For higher arches elites, for medium to low arches gamechangers
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My heel, since I stopped skating 808, is giving me shoes issues that made me consider getting some FP.
I'm between game changers and the elites. Any thoughts about it?
That's good Intel, thx G
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My heel, since I stopped skating 808, is giving me shoes issues that made me consider getting some FP.
I'm between game changers and the elites. Any thoughts about it?
No problem! With medium arch u can also go for elites if you are after more impact protection. I used to skate lot of elites but now with my both arches collapsing i'm slowly switching to gamechangers. Both work great though.
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Don't bother with FP get a decently designed insole that has firmer, shaped arch support. I don't think a single person I know that has tried Superfeet, Sole, etc has ever gone back to FP. High arch I'd recommend the Run Comfort or Adapt Run Max the former has a more firm heel cup.
What FP is trying to do is put high density foam on top of high density midsole foam. I could see them being great in thinner vulcs or something, but that type of idea hasn't been used in running or other impactful sports in a very long time. Most of the support in those shoes is built into the insole or people use what I've noted above or similar brands.
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Don't bother with FP get a decently designed insole that has firmer, shaped arch support. I don't think a single person I know that has tried Superfeet, Sole, etc has ever gone back to FP. High arch I'd recommend the Run Comfort or Adapt Run Max the former has a more firm heel cup.
What FP is trying to do is put high density foam on top of high density midsole foam. I could see them being great in thinner vulcs or something, but that type of idea hasn't been used in running or other impactful sports in a very long time. Most of the support in those shoes is built into the insole or people use what I've noted above or similar brands.
Do they give good impact support in general? I only like thin vulcs so FPs been great to me so far
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They have decent foam in the forefoot and heel but the biggest difference is that the support is firmer and braces the joints more, which is more effective than just a ton of foam. Think of the difference between Pop Cush, which is just a bunch of foam, and something like a Tiago which has less total foam but more heel and arch support. I never have heel bruises or issues in them.
I have one ankle that has no ligaments left and I'm 37. I used FP for around a year in Jordan's and other shoes and then tried Superfeet and never looked back for me it's substantially better to brace the arch and heel than just have some sort of malleable foam. I heat molded the FP but never felt they had as good of a support and they reduced boardfeel much more.
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thoughts ?
https://youtu.be/PW533qPCoWU
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thoughts ?
https://youtu.be/PW533qPCoWU
Wanted to give them a try but he ships only to US and Canada :(
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thoughts ?
https://youtu.be/PW533qPCoWU
They don't even ship to Canada it seems.
"This order can’t be shipped to the address you entered. Review your address to ensure that all fields have been entered correctly and try again."
I'd rather not support another Cali kook dropping bowling balls on an insole as if it's some scientific test that proves anything.
Also you gotta love how he gave his own product a 5 star review...
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thoughts ?
https://youtu.be/PW533qPCoWU
They don't even ship to Canada it seems.
"This order can’t be shipped to the address you entered. Review your address to ensure that all fields have been entered correctly and try again."
I'd rather not support another Cali kook dropping bowling balls on an insole as if it's some scientific test that proves anything.
Also you gotta love how he gave his own product a 5 star review...
Shoutout to his manicurist, absolutely gorgeous nails.
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Looks like a firmer version of Dr. Scholls with nothing designed to actually brace the midfoot or heel. I guess if you're just hucking lazer flips down park sets thats all ya need?
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They have decent foam in the forefoot and heel but the biggest difference is that the support is firmer and braces the joints more, which is more effective than just a ton of foam. Think of the difference between Pop Cush, which is just a bunch of foam, and something like a Tiago which has less total foam but more heel and arch support. I never have heel bruises or issues in them.
I have one ankle that has no ligaments left and I'm 37. I used FP for around a year in Jordan's and other shoes and then tried Superfeet and never looked back for me it's substantially better to brace the arch and heel than just have some sort of malleable foam. I heat molded the FP but never felt they had as good of a support and they reduced boardfeel much more.
Interesting bit of Superfeet info here. I have been putting FP kingfoams in my vulc shoes(vulcs only for me :D) for last few years and while this has been a vast improvement over stock insoles, my feet and bone spur'ed up ankles will still get sore after 2-3 hours of skating. Always keeping an eye out for another good insole that would even be better but afraid to spend the money. Maybe I should give those recommended Superfeet high arch insoles a try.
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Looks like a firmer version of Dr. Scholls with nothing designed to actually brace the midfoot or heel. I guess if you're just hucking lazer flips down park sets thats all ya need?
I preordered a set. He’s actually been working insanely hard on this insole. The final product seems like a cross between an FP kingfoam and a drugstore gel insole. It has similar qualities to an FP (repeatedly passes the bowling ball brick test) but with the comfort of like a Dr Scholls insole. I’m actually super stoked to try these. Shout out Christian.
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Gotta LOL that the bowling ball test is considered the bar that insoles should be held to. I fully expect to see running and basketball shoe foam tested that way.
Look I admire the work the dude put in, but struggle to believe that it is nearly as exhaustive as that of companies that employ experts in biomechanics and physical therapy that have equipment that can measure force and changes in limb movement to produce products that they can demonstrate positive changes to how the entire body responds to impact.
Christian's insole might dampen what you feel, but due to a lack of support and design that won't change how your joints move and transmit the impact. His testing involves mostly hucking down shit at skateparks and a pretty small sample size so I'm pretty dubious that it is just another "stuff some shit in the shoe" approach that makes a lot of skate shoe and insole design very dated.
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Gotta LOL that the bowling ball test is considered the bar that insoles should be held to. I fully expect to see running and basketball shoe foam tested that way.
Look I admire the work the dude put in, but struggle to believe that it is nearly as exhaustive as that of companies that employ experts in biomechanics and physical therapy that have equipment that can measure force and changes in limb movement to produce products that they can demonstrate positive changes to how the entire body responds to impact.
Christian's insole might dampen what you feel, but due to a lack of support and design that won't change how your joints move and transmit the impact. His testing involves mostly hucking down shit at skateparks and a pretty small sample size so I'm pretty dubious that it is just another "stuff some shit in the shoe" approach that makes a lot of skate shoe and insole design very dated.
“Well actually” personified
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More like "nah dude, I wouldn't waste the money" followed by a poorly edited Consumer Reports review.
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I mean the guy himself admitted the bowling test doesn't mean anything since he said another brand he didn't like had similar results... So why was he hyping up these gimmicky tests with an unboxing of his precious panes of glass. The whole video seemed so erratic and all over the place I was left with far more questions than answers and it just made it look like he has no idea what he's really doing.
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He did the same shit as FP- find a supplier or product on AliExpress and have them produce 10k units at $1 a piece to him and then will just bank on lots of skaters not really knowing what else is out there. It's a shitty model.
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Anyone might have recommendations for completely flat insoles like the ones from Footprint? Preferably 5mm thickness. There come up millions of them when I look at Google and I don't know if any of these 10$ ones are good for skating.
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Any recs on a thin insole for slip ons? The ultra cush is a little too tight for me. Looking for a thin flat insole for the skate slips.
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I bought those Old Bones Therapy brand insoles. I haven’t had the chance to skate them yet, but they made my sk8-lows super comfy to just walk in.
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I bought those Old Bones Therapy brand insoles. I haven’t had the chance to skate them yet, but they made my sk8-lows super comfy to just walk in.
Oh word? Yeah Ive actually been getting a couple targeted ads of those hahaa. I’ll check em out
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Any recs on a thin insole for slip ons? The ultra cush is a little too tight for me. Looking for a thin flat insole for the skate slips.
I've been using the 5mm Kingfoam Elite Footprint insoles in my slip ons for a while now. I've noticed that I'm able to skate longer as my joints don't ache after a long sesh as they did with the stock insoles. I haven't tried any other brand so I can't really compare to anything else but I'll vouch for FP here.
Nice, was looking into the 3.5mm ones as the problem I have is with the toebox area.
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Any recs on a thin insole for slip ons? The ultra cush is a little too tight for me. Looking for a thin flat insole for the skate slips.
I used the cons insoles from the Louies in them and theyre perfect in the skate slips.
The skate slips blow my mind. They turned the accessible slip on pro into a shoe that fits almost no human feet comfortably in the skate slip ons. They are so shallow with the stock pop cush it's crazy.
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I'm thinking of trying these custom Super Feet insoles that cost $150. You have to go to a running store to get your foot scanned.
https://www.superfeet.com/en-us/me3d-insoles
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Any recs on a thin insole for slip ons? The ultra cush is a little too tight for me. Looking for a thin flat insole for the skate slips.
The skate slips blow my mind. They turned the accessible slip on pro into a shoe that fits almost no human feet comfortably in the skate slip ons. They are so shallow with the stock pop cush it's crazy.
Yeah man, I swore off the skate slips for a while but got these at a Vans outlet for 10bucks so Im destined to make them work hahaa. Sometimes I check ebay for Vans Pros still.
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Which Superfeet insole would y'all recommend for Dunks and Blazers?
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Adapt Run or Run Comfort. Run Comfort has a firmer heel cup, which I like in 440s and would use in a thin shoe like Blazers. For Dunks I'd use the Adapt Run, which I am currently using. The Max version have higher arches.
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Which Superfeet insole would y'all recommend for Dunks and Blazers?
All purpose cushion, previously Flex
https://www.superfeet.com/en-us/all-purpose-cushion
Out of Green/Orange and Flex, the Flex is my fav and I use for skating/working out/chilling as well. Mellower arch compared to orange or green.
They have recently moved the Adapt run/hike/max series under the 'flex' moniker as well difference seems to be mid-insole/height.
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I could probably mine for this but, wondering if folks have advice for insoles for work? I work at a grocery store and am recovering from a back injury, so I figure good insoles would be worth investing in.
I have really thin fp insoles for my skate shoes and i like those. Curious about the game changers and if they’re worth the money
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I could probably mine for this but, wondering if folks have advice for insoles for work? I work at a grocery store and am recovering from a back injury, so I figure good insoles would be worth investing in.
I have really thin fp insoles for my skate shoes and i like those. Curious about the game changers and if they’re worth the money
I use gamechangers in my workshoes and they work good for me. Gonna try the superfeet next
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I’ve been using the GC for a minute now and swap out to other brands off an on, GC are causing me knee pain now after extended use…as if they are causing over pronation…and yeah even when remolded.
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I'm thinking of trying these custom Super Feet insoles that cost $150. You have to go to a running store to get your foot scanned.
https://www.superfeet.com/en-us/me3d-insoles
Go see a podiatrist first. I went to one and she told me that getting custom insoles would be a waste of time and money if I find some insoles to use when skating that fit me well, just because you’ll wear out a lot of pairs when skating and it’ll burn a lot of money.
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I could probably mine for this but, wondering if folks have advice for insoles for work? I work at a grocery store and am recovering from a back injury, so I figure good insoles would be worth investing in.
I have really thin fp insoles for my skate shoes and i like those. Curious about the game changers and if they’re worth the money
I tend to enjoy State's insoles for longer periods of time. Also, Etnies STI Pro Foam 2. Both skate brands, but I'm sure non-skate brands could work as well. Not sure if you have any Etnies or Statr shoes with those insoles, but could be worth trying
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Vans entering the insole game?
https://sportradical.com/products/snow-v3-popcush-insoles
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TL;DR on my insole experiences: I'l ride Reminds at the skate park when I can count on good surface conditions and ride Footprints when I'm cruising around the neighborhood or if I ever get into street.
I own a few insoles from Remind and one from FP: FP Kingfoam, Remind Cush, and Remind Medic.
- I bought the FP Kingfoam damn near 10 years ago for snowboarding and HATED it for snowboarding. Not very supportive, got kind of mushy underfoot when heated up after hours snowboarding. They spent most of the past 10 years in a drawer-- but turns out I actually like them skating. Noticeably reduces foot soreness from ollie impacts, and the arch support is just enough for me. I feel noticeably more comfortable cruising over crusty terrain with no other changes to setup. It deadens board feel a little bit IMO compared to Remind, but worth the trade-off in street settings.
- I like the way Reminds FEEL better and will be riding them when I can count on good surface conditions. More arch support and better board feel, but much worse forefoot cushion than the FPs. The material on top is also a little more slippery than FP, I wish it the texture was a bit grippier (although the texture on the FPs makes the fabric wear out a bit faster).
- Between Remind Cush and Medic, main difference is the Medic has a full plastic "frame" around the entire insole perimeter, whereas the Cush has a frame under the arch and just foam in the fore foot. The Cush is less durable in the forefoot because of lack of frame, but they're more flexible and feel better pushing and skating for the same reason. The foam also breaks in and compresses a lot more on Cush over Medic, so over time they take up much less space in the shoe. I'll stick to Cush for skating, and stick to the Medic of longboarding and snowboarding where foot flexibility is less of an issue.
I'm legit bummed that I like the FPs given sounds like Joey Brezinski and Paul Hart are... flawed humans. But I might give FP Gamechangers a shot when I wear out either the Cush or the Kingfoam. That silly bowling ball test is dumb, but definitely something to them.
Just as context, I've experimented with a lot of insoles from Superfeet, SOLE, Aline, and others. I don't wear insoles in every day or workout shoes, but I use them religiously snowboarding and now skating. These are the best balance of cushion / support I've found among any of those options so far.
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All purpose cushion, previously Flex
https://www.superfeet.com/en-us/all-purpose-cushion
Out of Green/Orange and Flex, the Flex is my fav and I use for skating/working out/chilling as well. Mellower arch compared to orange or green.
They have recently moved the Adapt run/hike/max series under the 'flex' moniker as well difference seems to be mid-insole/height.
https://www.superfeet.com/en-us/hike-support
The foam under the toe was a little thick for me at 1st compared to the regular superfeet but I once I got used to them they have been go to’s.
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Something I’ve always wondered: do pros actually ride Footprint, Remind, etc.? I know they have their teams, but do actual respectable pros and not Joey Brezinski really go out of their way to buy and use them? If so, you don’t hear about it and makes me wonder if it’s all smoke and mirrors.
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What is the best footprint sole ? I want to invest but I don't know which one to get.. I only skate cupsoles.
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Something I’ve always wondered: do pros actually ride Footprint, Remind, etc.? I know they have their teams, but do actual respectable pros and not Joey Brezinski really go out of their way to buy and use them? If so, you don’t hear about it and makes me wonder if it’s all smoke and mirrors.
I am sure there are people of all ability levels (including pros) who will pay good money for anything, but more often than not my experience with any pro or on their way to being pro type of skateboarders is more the other end of the scale, as in they will rarely spend any money on anything and take whatever they are given and just make do with that, for however long they can. Not to go as far as to say, many just don't have money to spare like that, but there is very much more a product package sent to a lot of people from whatever companies that may not be on said pro rosters or teams, but enjoy the benefits of these packages through friends, hook ups, mates, whatever other deals, etc.
Regarding any product, including insoles, if they get it for free, they will ride it and use it, no worries. If they don't like it or can swap it for something they do want, then they will do so where ever they are able including their local shop spono or anywhere they might go on the road, or just sell it, give it away or whatever.
Not that often will they change out things very specifically like insoles unless they have to for whatever reason, or they are on said insole brands and get them all for free, but I am sure there would be some out there who would swap out stock insoles for something a bit better for their own feet, that the general public would never know about.
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What is the best footprint sole ? I want to invest but I don't know which one to get.. I only skate cupsoles.
Do you want big, thick and soft, or thinner something to go on top of what is already in the shoe?
I have had quite a few different types, the thinner flat and the thicker elite with extra bits, also tried the orthotics and other really out there types, but they are more for very specific foot shape / needs, so if you are after something to go in fairly normal cupsole shoes with no other issues, just the flat ones that work well.
They make a lot of options so I can see how it can get really confusing, but the main takeaway I have from their different lines is this:
Vulc and thinner soles = the kingfoam elite with the big heel area bit, often with the mid support shank
https://fp-insoles.com/products/kingfoam-elite-insoles-elite-hi-classic
Cup soles / thicker shoes = the flat more basic ones
https://fp-insoles.com/products/kingfoam-fp-insoles-colours-collectiv
All of them you can cut down to fit, usually cutting down the toe area only on the elite, or cutting the whole way round / down on the flat ones, even through the stitching and they still hold up fine.
Those two are just examples of them, so it would be best to go in somewhere to have a look at them, but if you can't do that, at least check out all the options on the FP site, if you want to.
There are even more options there now from when I got a few orders of them a while back.
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I’m looking for some insoles with good arch support. I’ve been using these Dr. Scholl’s heel inserts for 20 years now.
https://www.drscholls.com/p/pain-relief/heel-arch-all-day-pain-relief-orthotics/
I have pronation, and if I don’t use these, my feet and back hurt really bad. My feet especially when I skate.
Since most shoes have thick insoles now, I can’t use my inserts. I always have to make adjustments. It would be great to just find an insole that gives me the same arch support those Dr.Scholl’s has always gave me.
Any Pals also need a lot of arch support?
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Any Pals also need a lot of arch support?
@WideFeet
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=89457.msg4142402;topicseen#msg4142402
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075YH3D7N?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
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Any Pals also need a lot of arch support?
@WideFeet
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=89457.msg4142402;topicseen#msg4142402
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075YH3D7N?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Thanks! Whenever I have some funds, I’ll try those out.
Currently just swapped the PopCush for an old thin Emerica insole that isn’t G6, and added my Dr.Scholl’s arch supports in. Probably will go grab some thin Dr.Scholl’s gel insoles and add my arch supports.
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I've had luck with the Superfeet bronze and the Birkenstock one-piece arch support. Helps my plantar fasciitis and sciatica.
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I had plantar fasciitis a few years ago and got a couple sets of custom arch supports free on the UK NHS. Work great, and means I can use shoes that are flat inside.
(https://i.imgur.com/p3B3kIi.jpg)
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Been riding footprint insoles since you had to inject water into them. With that being said, they changed their formula to this cheap dense foam and it’s uncomfortable and awful. This is speaking on their king foam elite insole. My feet were literally in unbearable pain after wearing them at work for 8 hours. Not sure if I got a bad pair or what but that was my experience. I reached out to FP and they were going to send out a different pair but then they ghosted me after I told them I wear Janoskis/Blazer GTs. Weird.
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Been riding footprint insoles since you had to inject water into them. With that being said, they changed their formula to this cheap dense foam and it’s uncomfortable and awful. This is speaking on their king foam elite insole. My feet were literally in unbearable pain after wearing them at work for 8 hours. Not sure if I got a bad pair or what but that was my experience. I reached out to FP and they were going to send out a different pair but then they ghosted me after I told them I wear Janoskis/Blazer GTs. Weird.
I think that’s just their new material they’re using for some reason. I had the exact same experience and someone posted a review on Tactics describing a similar thing. All of the older FP insoles I had were either blue or orange foam and were soft if you squished them with your fingers but the new ones are a green material and hard as a rock.
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The Orthopedic and Podiatrist journey is finished and I got some fitted insoles, wearing them for 2 weeks now. Figured out I need arch support.
I found a good deal on some Footprint Gamechangers. They come in the regular version and in a low version. I plan to put them into the Etnies Josl1n's. Anyone have experiences or thoughts about that?
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Been riding footprint insoles since you had to inject water into them. With that being said, they changed their formula to this cheap dense foam and it’s uncomfortable and awful. This is speaking on their king foam elite insole. My feet were literally in unbearable pain after wearing them at work for 8 hours. Not sure if I got a bad pair or what but that was my experience. I reached out to FP and they were going to send out a different pair but then they ghosted me after I told them I wear Janoskis/Blazer GTs. Weird.
Wish I had read this before I ordered Kingfoam Elite Mids for my Blazer mids last week. No real noticeable benefit in impact protection and my feet (and body) still hurt way more than with Tiago 1010s after skating. Superfeet adapt felt good in the Blazers but also just not enough cushion for me.
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Been riding footprint insoles since you had to inject water into them. With that being said, they changed their formula to this cheap dense foam and it’s uncomfortable and awful. This is speaking on their king foam elite insole. My feet were literally in unbearable pain after wearing them at work for 8 hours. Not sure if I got a bad pair or what but that was my experience. I reached out to FP and they were going to send out a different pair but then they ghosted me after I told them I wear Janoskis/Blazer GTs. Weird.
Wish I had read this before I ordered Kingfoam Elite Mids for my Blazer mids last week. No real noticeable benefit in impact protection and my feet (and body) still hurt way more than with Tiago 1010s after skating. Superfeet adapt felt good in the Blazers but also just not enough cushion for me.
It’s a bummer. You would’ve been happy with the older material they used for sure but this kind of validates my thoughts on the new ones. Tactics has some older stock from what I found so I guess I can order a pair or two from there but after that, I’m going to have to find a new insole /:
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I had plantar fasciitis a few years ago and got a couple sets of custom arch supports free on the UK NHS. Work great, and means I can use shoes that are flat inside.
(https://i.imgur.com/p3B3kIi.jpg)
That’s tight! I need to get a UK address I guess.
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https://xstanceinsoles.com/collection/shop/
Came across an IG ad for these insoles. My main need is arch support, but now I’m noticing some pain in my forefoot that I’m chalking up to metatarsal.
They look decent. Arch looks good and they have some gel pads. Anyone have any info?
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Picked up the Superfeet Run Cushion Medium since they were on sale. They will be going in my dunks first and replacing the FP gamechangers that I've been using since 2020, surprised they held up. Took a few pics to compare all 3, glad to get rid of these Paul Fart insoles. The Superfeet have the deepest heel cup and the arch seems to go back further. Thickness in the heels is about the same as FP. In the forefoot area FP was the thickest, Superfeet felt slightly thinner. Out of the box the Superfeet feel pretty soft while the FP sole currently feels like cardboard. The gamechangers we're size 9/9.5 and I did not have to trip to for in my 9.5 dunks. For Superfeet I got size 9.5-11 and had to trim a bit. Will skate them later today and see how they compare.
(https://i.ibb.co/BVmZQZL/IMG-20240522-132140.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BVmZQZL)(https://i.ibb.co/jf5DYK1/IMG-20240522-132152.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jf5DYK1)(https://i.ibb.co/kV7Bddr/IMG-20240522-132237.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kV7Bddr)(https://i.ibb.co/jWdrsBQ/IMG-20240522-132326.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWdrsBQ)(https://i.ibb.co/ypGS5M6/IMG-20240522-132337.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ypGS5M6)
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Been running the superfeet 'flex' or 'adapt' footbed, I think I like the adapts better. I stopped skating shoes like Vans or those Nikes with the drop-in thicker foot beds, basically shoes without a midsole I don't really fux with anymore.. I suppose I could get sheets of foam or gel and glue it into shoe like the blazer mid and just drop the superfeet on top of it, diy midsole action. I do like how the plastic part on superfeet makes landing primo suck a little less
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I saw some thin foam rubber in a handicrafts store and bought a bit of that. Cut it to the insole size and put it underneath a few insoles. I kinda like it and the foam rubber keeps it shape for a long time. Currently using 1mm foam rubber and those fp gamechangers low in some Joslin's. But those superfeet insoles seem really nice. Which one would you guys recommend for flat feet to low arch? I mostly skate flat, banks, ledges and small gaps.
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i use the superfeet run comfort in vulcs, and the superfeet run comfort thin in cupsoles.
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Skated the run cushions last night, just flat ground and ledges. I had minimal discomfort in my right forefoot after about 45 minutes however I'd say it was due to the foam needing to break in and me trying to stomp tre flips over and over. My knees feel fine, better than after skating the stock Nike insoles. I feel like these will also outperform FP once broken in.
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pop cush insoles vs superfeet high impact
anyone try both?
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pop cush insoles vs superfeet high impact
anyone try both?
I'm getting déjà vu =D
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82832.msg4214110#msg4214110
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115395.msg4214015#msg4214015
In summary, the high impact/orange are too thin to fully replace the pop cush (and are harder feeling than the popcush).
You'd need to stack like a generic ortho-lite / shit insole (or two) to balance it out.
Comparitivley speaking, the superfeat high impact does not have skating in mind vs the pop cush, that's for sure. I would not look to the orange/high impact if I was hucking.
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pop cush insoles vs superfeet high impact
anyone try both?
I'm getting déjà vu =D
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82832.msg4214110#msg4214110
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115395.msg4214015#msg4214015
In summary, the high impact/orange are too thin to fully replace the pop cush (and are harder feeling than the popcush). You'd need to stack like a generic ortho-lite / shit insole (or two) to balance it out.
thanks, you saved me $60
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I am thinking of trying some FP insoles again. Had some Kingfoam Orthotics a few years ago and I liked them. But I also have some Gamechangers laying around. The Kingfoam Orthotics are a bit stiffer from my memory whereas the Gamechangers feel a bit softer, especially when you start to sweat. I am looking for some heel and arch support. And also a bit of primo protection. The whole thing with insoles and plantar fasciitis seems hella sketchy, I am not convinced insoles alone would help. Feels like I should stretch and strenghten my lower body and calves and all that stuff.
What do you guys think?
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Working out / stretching is critical (as you get older) and if you are younger, might as well get on that shit now.
Gamechangers have changed 'formulas' apparently stiff and gross. Your old ones are probably worn/old? I found I tended to hang onto my FPs (and shoes) far too long (across the board not just in skating). Skaters have the tendency to skate shoes until they're shredded (cost) and I get that but, but there is a window where skateshoes are supportive, then almost instantly not and they become bad for your body (runners swap shoes based on mileage, we doi it based on toe cap/olliw wear lol).
I use these for every skate shoe now:
https://www.superfeet.com/en-us/all-purpose-cushion
cushion, arch, nice heel cup
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pop cush insoles vs superfeet high impact
anyone try both?
I have both. The superfeet high impact are not good in Vans vulcs IMO. Too thin and hard. I prefer popcush or ultracush 3d in Vans vulcs.
The superfeet feel great in some Lakai Griffins and Lakai Owens that I have.
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I recently bought some Move Game Day Pro insoles. Really good, for anyone who is curious.
Arch is a little high, so I plan on trying the Move All Day insoles. Medium arch, with more cushion.
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Need to find out where those State insoles came from
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I recently bought some Move Game Day Pro insoles. Really good, for anyone who is curious.
Arch is a little high, so I plan on trying the Move All Day insoles. Medium arch, with more cushion.
i use game day in some basketball shoes for playing. Haven’t tried in numerics of nike sb for example, need to do that.
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Anyone have an insole recommendation that doesn't focus on the heel area, but has a ton of cushion below the front area like below the toes/sesamoid bones? My shit flares up if I skate in anything but 1010's or G6 emericas now.
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Anyone have an insole recommendation that doesn't focus on the heel area, but has a ton of cushion below the front area like below the toes/sesamoid bones? My shit flares up if I skate in anything but 1010's or G6 emericas now.
I messed up my metatarsal about 6 months ago, and the best I've found are insoles from some Timberland boots I had. A lot more padding at the front than Vans Pro/Ultracush, Etnies, Nike SB insoles that I've got. Work boot insoles seem to be a bit thicker than the "sporty" equivalents.
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Anyone have an insole recommendation that doesn't focus on the heel area, but has a ton of cushion below the front area like below the toes/sesamoid bones? My shit flares up if I skate in anything but 1010's or G6 emericas now.
I messed up my metatarsal about 6 months ago, and the best I've found are insoles from some Timberland boots I had. A lot more padding at the front than Vans Pro/Ultracush, Etnies, Nike SB insoles that I've got. Work boot insoles seem to be a bit thicker than the "sporty" equivalents.
@fernando the skater I’m sorry to hear about your injury. I broke my 5th metatarsal and I know the constant pain/sensitivity it can cause. I’d recommend the Nike SB React insoles if you can find them since they’ve got great cushioning and support. If you’re interested then your best bet might be getting some Leo Baker signature shoes on sale. Good luck!
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Reviving this since I don't want to get some jaws FP but my feet really need help in this department.
For euro pals: any suggestion where to find find some good insoles?
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Reviving this since I don't want to get some jaws FP but my feel really need help in this department.
For euro pals: any suggestion where to find find some good insoles?
I bought some random (timberland( shock absorbing insoles awhile back and in my 1010s they are a game changer. I have used them in some cons too and if I end up getting the 933s I can see myself buying another pair if I can find them.
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Reviving this since I don't want to get some jaws FP but my feel really need help in this department.
For euro pals: any suggestion where to find find some good insoles?
https://einlagen-online.com/
Bought some Super Feet and some Noene Ergopro AC+.
I like the Super Feet, but i still asked them for advice and they recommended the Noene.
Haven't skated in them yet.
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Has anyone tried the new Remind insoles?
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if anyone has had hammer toe and had a recommendation chime in please and thanks.
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Has anyone tried the new Remind insoles?
Didn't like them. Went back to FPs pretty quickly.
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1010s are a game changer. Best shoe ever but if I wanted to skate a different show what insole would best mimck how the 1010 feels.
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I have tried a ton of insoles over the last 1.5 years, and these seem to work the best for me...
https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1)
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I have tried a ton of insoles over the last 1.5 years, and these seem to work the best for me...
https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1)
Can confirm, i also use the Run Cushion (medium arch). They feel really good and negate most of my problems.
Still excited to try the Noene.
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Move Game Day Pro insoles - excellent product and the shape fits comfortably in various Nike and New Balance # shoes without having to trim them.
https://move.one/products/game-day-pro-performance-insoles?srsltid=AfmBOoqRSYtFsA5_ummDC0fnxetoXe6ObBVwY9WReKScuEYpQ2buf5ro (https://move.one/products/game-day-pro-performance-insoles?srsltid=AfmBOoqRSYtFsA5_ummDC0fnxetoXe6ObBVwY9WReKScuEYpQ2buf5ro)
You can find them on Amazon, too.
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Any insoles that are actually wide across the toes? Every one i've tried is 1-2 inches too narrow even before cutting
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I have tried a ton of insoles over the last 1.5 years, and these seem to work the best for me...
https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1)
Any idea what the difference is between the Run Comfort and the Run Cushion insoles?
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I have tried a ton of insoles over the last 1.5 years, and these seem to work the best for me...
https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1)
Any idea what the difference is between the Run Comfort and the Run Cushion insoles?
(https://i.ibb.co/twSxH7CL/Cushion.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/BmgCVJT/Comfort.png)
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Move Game Day Pro insoles - excellent product and the shape fits comfortably in various Nike and New Balance # shoes without having to trim them.
https://move.one/products/game-day-pro-performance-insoles?srsltid=AfmBOoqRSYtFsA5_ummDC0fnxetoXe6ObBVwY9WReKScuEYpQ2buf5ro (https://move.one/products/game-day-pro-performance-insoles?srsltid=AfmBOoqRSYtFsA5_ummDC0fnxetoXe6ObBVwY9WReKScuEYpQ2buf5ro)
You can find them on Amazon, too.
Game Day Pro have worked well for me. Remind are okay but a little too thick in the toe area to work as replacements for some of my shoes. I like the arch support in the Game Day as that's what I need at this point (47 this year) in my skating life.
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I have tried a ton of insoles over the last 1.5 years, and these seem to work the best for me...
https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1)
Any idea what the difference is between the Run Comfort and the Run Cushion insoles?
(https://i.ibb.co/twSxH7CL/Cushion.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/BmgCVJT/Comfort.png)
Thanks. That's a lot of marketing mumbo right there. Doesn't really nail what's the difference is in general. In a nutshell I'm kinda wondering if one or the other is more "orthopedic" and/or supportive than the other. Just looking for something to reduce impact and not fuck with my arch that much.
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Years, if not ages, ago I had some Jaws FP and they worked really well (those with a stupid mouth jumping down stairs).
Now I pulled the trigger with other jaws mumbo jumbo jargon that I can't even remember and that I paid way too much for. Anyways, I'll report once trying them.
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I have tried a ton of insoles over the last 1.5 years, and these seem to work the best for me...
https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1)
Any idea what the difference is between the Run Comfort and the Run Cushion insoles?
(https://i.ibb.co/twSxH7CL/Cushion.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/BmgCVJT/Comfort.png)
Thanks. That's a lot of marketing mumbo right there. Doesn't really nail what's the difference is in general. In a nutshell I'm kinda wondering if one or the other is more "orthopedic" and/or supportive than the other. Just looking for something to reduce impact and not fuck with my arch that much.
I tried some other superfeet insoles with a similar molded cap as the COMFORT and they actually made my feet hurt worse as they seemed very stiff from the midfoot to heel. If you look carefully at the CUSHION, there are little slits around the heel that let the insole move with your foot while still providing good heel/ankle support. The cushion also have added padding for the forefoot, much like a Nike SB insole, and I skate dunks only, so the cushions feel great.
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I have tried a ton of insoles over the last 1.5 years, and these seem to work the best for me...
https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1)
Any idea what the difference is between the Run Comfort and the Run Cushion insoles?
(https://i.ibb.co/twSxH7CL/Cushion.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/BmgCVJT/Comfort.png)
Thanks. That's a lot of marketing mumbo right there. Doesn't really nail what's the difference is in general. In a nutshell I'm kinda wondering if one or the other is more "orthopedic" and/or supportive than the other. Just looking for something to reduce impact and not fuck with my arch that much.
I tried some other superfeet insoles with a similar molded cap as the COMFORT and they actually made my feet hurt worse as they seemed very stiff from the midfoot to heel. If you look carefully at the CUSHION, there are little slits around the heel that let the insole move with your foot while still providing good heel/ankle support. The cushion also have added padding for the forefoot, much like a Nike SB insole, and I skate dunks only, so the cushions feel great.
Thanks for the additional info, much appreciated! Was leaning towards the Cushion and this confirms my lean.
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Also, any opinions on the FP Kingfoam Elite insoles (the non-orthotic ones)?
I've tried the FP Gamechangers Custom Orthotics and they just feel kinda too, eh, clunky and stiff for me.
Edit: just to clarify, I'm not looking for specific arch support, but rather just good impact protection.
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Also, any opinions on the FP Kingfoam Elite insoles (the non-orthotic ones)?
I've tried the FP Gamechangers Custom Orthotics and they just feel kinda too, eh, clunky and stiff for me.
Edit: just to clarify, I'm not looking for specific arch support, but rather just good impact protection.
For straight up impact protection, i don't think you can get any better than that. Only skated like three pairs of shoes without them last five years. I'm fucked if they ever go out of business.
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Also, any opinions on the FP Kingfoam Elite insoles (the non-orthotic ones)?
I've tried the FP Gamechangers Custom Orthotics and they just feel kinda too, eh, clunky and stiff for me.
Edit: just to clarify, I'm not looking for specific arch support, but rather just good impact protection.
Hey thanks pal. Imma go with the Kingfoam Elites for sure. To boot, they're cheaper than many of the other occasionally hyped ones. I'm old and I need quality shit I can trust in.
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Also, any opinions on the FP Kingfoam Elite insoles (the non-orthotic ones)?
I've tried the FP Gamechangers Custom Orthotics and they just feel kinda too, eh, clunky and stiff for me.
Edit: just to clarify, I'm not looking for specific arch support, but rather just good impact protection.
(https://i.imgur.com/vSHBxxl.jpeg)
These ones? Tried them yesterday on some blazers that I could barely walk in and now they could be even skated. So far they seem to be a big upgrade.
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That's the "Pro" version, I was referring to the normal Kingfoam Elites.
Don't really know what the difference is, though. The Pros seem to have a thicker heel cup, which is not something I'm not necessarily looking for. Plus they don't have the thin version (3-5mm) which the normal Elite provides.
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I use non Pro ones and they work for me. Currently running mids (5mm toe & 7mm heel) with no complaints. Don't really see value on all the fancier models like the gel thing etc. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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It might seem trivial but what colour are the ones you guys have?
Is there any difference between the black, the lime green, the blue, etc?
That is not the top graphic colour, but the main colour of the body of the insole itself. People I skate with have a few of them - I even got a whole lot of them for the shop a few years back and there were the green, black, blue, etc.
Just curious as some people say the different colours perform differently too, but I really don't know about that.
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I use non Pro ones and they work for me. Currently running mids (5mm toe & 7mm heel) with no complaints. Don't really see value on all the fancier models like the gel thing etc. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
This kind of no-nonsense is what I like to hear. Confirms my thoughts about the Elites. Will try the mids. Thanks man.
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I have tried a ton of insoles over the last 1.5 years, and these seem to work the best for me...
https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Superfeet-Flexible-Inserts-Athletic-Running/dp/B09D8K7HPR?th=1)
Any idea what the difference is between the Run Comfort and the Run Cushion insoles?
(https://i.ibb.co/twSxH7CL/Cushion.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/BmgCVJT/Comfort.png)
Thanks. That's a lot of marketing mumbo right there. Doesn't really nail what's the difference is in general. In a nutshell I'm kinda wondering if one or the other is more "orthopedic" and/or supportive than the other. Just looking for something to reduce impact and not fuck with my arch that much.
I tried some other superfeet insoles with a similar molded cap as the COMFORT and they actually made my feet hurt worse as they seemed very stiff from the midfoot to heel. If you look carefully at the CUSHION, there are little slits around the heel that let the insole move with your foot while still providing good heel/ankle support. The cushion also have added padding for the forefoot, much like a Nike SB insole, and I skate dunks only, so the cushions feel great.
Thanks for the additional info, much appreciated! Was leaning towards the Cushion and this confirms my lean.
I wanna get these for my NB 600s. Anyone might have experiences with them? I am not sure how thick they are and if they will fit in those shoes. I think the standard NB ortholite insole is like 4-5mm thick.
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(https://i.imgur.com/8W5G8B9.jpeg)
Why not? I might be lucky
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Can't be much worse than the skate-branded insoles. Keep us updated.
Those can be found at a local supermarket for 20 euros, so they're not an expensive experiment.
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Exactly, I paid 9€ so let's see
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To those who have already tried, do you think that orthopedic insoles (really recommended by a foot specialist and not those found on the internet) are really beneficial for protecting the body ?
to avoid pain and shock thanks to postural recovery ? I'm also thinking if shoes are designed only for their original soles or if adding soles wouldn't be bad ? Thanks for the advice!
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Target recently started selling their own store brand insoles and they are like $10.99. There’s an “athletic” with rigid arch, “all day comfort” which is foam with gel heel, and “cushy comfort” which is a thick one piece foam (kind of like some of the Vans insoles).
I bought the gel one to try with a trail shoe that needed something to fill some excess volume, I’ll see how it goes. For the price it seemed worth experimenting.
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I used those gel insoles on top of stock insoles and they were pretty meh. Too squishy for me.
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Tried them today. Nothing to go crazy about it but still is an upgrade on the 600 in this particular case. Happy with it.
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To those who have already tried, do you think that orthopedic insoles (really recommended by a foot specialist and not those found on the internet) are really beneficial for protecting the body ?
to avoid pain and shock thanks to postural recovery ? I'm also thinking if shoes are designed only for their original soles or if adding soles wouldn't be bad ? Thanks for the advice!
I wear them constantly, so it's kinda hard for me to gauge the difference. But it's night and day between them and store bought/predetermined ones.
I basically started to wear them because of hooping, even got one type made for hoops (more rigid and with a carbon plate) and one for casual wear (a bit flexier and cushier). Full disclosure - I got high arches so i needed better impact distribution/more contact area.
I usually change them every 2-3 years, even sooner if they call for it. Once I slipped out and went into splits a couple of times in same session and had a terrible hip pain. It didn't subside for about 10 days and even got worse since I kept going to work in the meantime. So much so that I even had to basically drag my leg behind me. Went to my physio buddy to ask for help and he said I should maybe look to switch my insoles since they were getting worn out and also to scan my foot again so they'd be more tailor made. Miraculously, a couple of days after getting the new ones - I was litteraly running again.
So, yeah, they do make a huge difference. Maybe I'm so used to thrm after ~15 years of wearing them, but I feel a huge difference without them. Maybe not while simply chilling, but when walking for longer periods, skating, running, hooping...yeah, nah, I need them.
I don't think they do much for posture per se. But they redistribute weight and impact in a way that affects your gait and whole motion/musculature chain. Can't say if they would be comfy, either. I wouldn't call them that, but then again - people here are calling all types of shoes comfy, which I find baffling. Sure, even some skate shoes are comfier than others, but after spending years in honest to god running shoes, it's kinda laughable to call any skate or casual shoe really comfy. 1010 might be the only exception. Not that they're comparable to runners, but those are the only skate shoes I can go for a 4-5 mile walk in and not curse my self the entire time for not bringing a legit running shoe with me.
Tl;dr - yeah, legit, individual custom orthotics are dramatically better than stock insoles or aftermarket pre-fab insoles. Dunno if you'd call them comfy simply on step in.
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https://www.zappos.com/product/10003299/color/158
i've been wearing these in some skate vans slip ons for a week and these are a solid option for anyone looking for a good insole that isn't too expensive. they seem to be owned by some parent company that specializes in equipment for the workforce including NB's safety shoe line and Airwalk https://www.surewerxfootwear.com/
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I've used Superfeet Adapt Run for a couple years now and in 600 they're perfect, but I don't replace anything in a 1010. I have similar pairs in my pedestrian shoes as well.
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Euro pals, what's the best / most reliable place to get FP Kingfoam Elite insoles? Looking for the mid ones (5mm toe / 7mm heel).
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Euro pals, what's the best / most reliable place to get FP Kingfoam Elite insoles? Looking for the mid ones (5mm toe / 7mm heel).
They have their own Euro store
https://fpinsoles.eu/
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True, I like SB but they suffer of really poor insoles that are too thin.Plus with time you get to feel that fucking square cushion uner your heel.The other shoe that I skate is of course the HalfCab that always feels great.Way more puffier than Nikes and an insane comfy (too thick may be) insole.I guess to me some inbetween would be awesome but for now I got back to the Half Cab being more into comfort and protection of my old feet.
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The Nike SB insole with the air cushion is OK at first, but after a while it can be srsly torturous for your heels! I'm usually not one to complain about this sort of thing, but I just got saved by buying some Skate Authentics and the difference in insoles is night and day. The thing with the Nike insole is the air cushion - like the guy above is saying. If you land with your heel directly on it the pain isn't so bad, still hurts a lil, but if you land slightly crooked you're basically taking that impact to your bare heel and the pain lingers for like 10 minutes. After a session in those my heels ache for a day or two. Fukt! Popcush FTW
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Euro pals, what's the best / most reliable place to get FP Kingfoam Elite insoles? Looking for the mid ones (5mm toe / 7mm heel).
I got mine from SkateDeluxe
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Skate Deluxe have it all.
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Can anyone here recommend an indoor that feels and functions similarly to the Kingfoam elite orthotics from footprint. I’d grab another pair of those but have been struggling to find a pair in 10-10.5. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated.
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Can anyone here recommend an indoor that feels and functions similarly to the Kingfoam elite orthotics from footprint. I’d grab another pair of those but have been struggling to find a pair in 10-10.5. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated.
Some that turned up on shoplurker.com
https://www.asylumskatepark.com/products/fp-insoles-game-changers-elite-orthotics-will-barras-copy
https://davilleskateshop.com/products/fp-game-changers-elite-catzilla-10-10-5-insoles
https://exodusrideshop.com/products/fp-low-profile-gamechangers-insoles-grey-camo
https://exodusrideshop.com/products/fp-gamechangers-elite-pro-insoles-dark-grey-camo
Try googlingshopping, too, to look beyond skate shops.
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Pals, need some advice. Been skating busenitz vulcs and GT Blazers and while I love both of them, my feet/lower back have been feeling like shit by the end of sessions.
I have pretty flat feet and were looking into the Kingfoam Orthotic Elite Pro since they recommend these or the game changer for flat feet.
Anyone who might've used these, what was your experience? Is there something else I could be looking at instead?
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Pals, need some advice. Been skating busenitz vulcs and GT Blazers and while I love both of them, my feet/lower back have been feeling like shit by the end of sessions.
I have pretty flat feet and were looking into the Kingfoam Orthotic Elite Pro since they recommend these or the game changer for flat feet.
Anyone who might've used these, what was your experience? Is there something else I could be looking at instead?
I’ve flat feet and I’ve always used the king foam because they are flat but also form to my foot as it warms up. Game changers and elites are shaped too heavily for my feet
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Pals, need some advice. Been skating busenitz vulcs and GT Blazers and while I love both of them, my feet/lower back have been feeling like shit by the end of sessions.
I have pretty flat feet and were looking into the Kingfoam Orthotic Elite Pro since they recommend these or the game changer for flat feet.
Anyone who might've used these, what was your experience? Is there something else I could be looking at instead?
I use regular Kingfoam and Gamechangers and both are good but prefer the Gamechangers for the custom mold and extra support you get from it. The Kingfoam Orthotic Elite Pro seem like a bit too much for a skate shoe unless you are hucking off cliffs.
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Pals, need some advice. Been skating busenitz vulcs and GT Blazers and while I love both of them, my feet/lower back have been feeling like shit by the end of sessions.
I have pretty flat feet and were looking into the Kingfoam Orthotic Elite Pro since they recommend these or the game changer for flat feet.
Anyone who might've used these, what was your experience? Is there something else I could be looking at instead?
Thanks! Think I am going to give the game changers a try then
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Pals, need some advice. Been skating busenitz vulcs and GT Blazers and while I love both of them, my feet/lower back have been feeling like shit by the end of sessions.
I have pretty flat feet and were looking into the Kingfoam Orthotic Elite Pro since they recommend these or the game changer for flat feet.
Anyone who might've used these, what was your experience? Is there something else I could be looking at instead?
Thanks! Think I am going to give the game changers a try then
No problem! May you be relived of some agony of de feet.
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Worth a shot:
Anyone have any reports of skating with the Action Sports Gel FP’s?
(The orange foam ones).
by the way, did anyone else catch Reynolds mention that he used FP insoles before moving to his new NB# 933’s?
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Hi
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Worth a shot:
Anyone have any reports of skating with the Action Sports Gel FP’s?
(The orange foam ones).
by the way, did anyone else catch Reynolds mention that he used FP insoles before moving to his new NB# 933’s?
Where you saw that?
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Worth a shot:
Anyone have any reports of skating with the Action Sports Gel FP’s?
(The orange foam ones).
by the way, did anyone else catch Reynolds mention that he used FP insoles before moving to his new NB# 933’s?
So the "Kingfoam Elite Action Sports Gel™ Impact FP Insoles"..
Definitely interested. Gel works better than foam for the volume and these are only 5 times the price of unbranded insoles instead of 10. :D
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Worth a shot:
Anyone have any reports of skating with the Action Sports Gel FP’s?
(The orange foam ones).
by the way, did anyone else catch Reynolds mention that he used FP insoles before moving to his new NB# 933’s?
On that 27 minute Bluetile interview with him and NB designer.
Timestamp: 4:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4g2EJkPTqc&t=242s
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iso some insoles with padding on the arch. something like the ones on the samba classic. my arches constantly feel like theyre doing the splits
tried surfing the fp site but that site is aneurism inducing
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iso some insoles with padding on the arch. something like the ones on the samba classic. my arches constantly feel like theyre doing the splits
tried surfing the fp site but that site is aneurism inducing
Move Pro is the best I've found (and I've tried tons of them). They sell direct but it looks like Dicks has them now, too. I caught a holiday deal last year and stocked up on three pairs for $30 off so there are deals to be had.
Good luck!
https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/move-game-day-pro-insole-24lxgagmdyprnslxxins/24lxgagmdyprnslxxins?sku=26702998&camp=CSE:DSG_92700080093528158_PLA_pla-4582695812530874_58700008714109357_71700000118709037&segment=&gclid=775ce17904c51ff5d9d8891c88c378f7&gclsrc=3p.ds&msclkid=775ce17904c51ff5d9d8891c88c378f7
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iso some insoles with padding on the arch. something like the ones on the samba classic. my arches constantly feel like theyre doing the splits
tried surfing the fp site but that site is aneurism inducing
I don't know what the samba classic insoles are like but I also like additional arch support. The FP Gamechangers can be custom molded and when I did that on mine, they give me ideal arch support. In the instructions for molding, they say the less pressure you put on them after heating and during the molding stage, the more support they will provide once molded. So basically, put them on after you heat the insoles but don't stand or walk around too much until they are done.
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a couple months ago, i was gifted the game changer fp insoles that you gotta put in the oven, and my knees thank me everyday since.
They take like 2-3 days of skating to get used to, but after that everything felt great.
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thanks everyone
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iso some insoles with padding on the arch. something like the ones on the samba classic. my arches constantly feel like theyre doing the splits
tried surfing the fp site but that site is aneurism inducing
The Samba Classic insole is super thin, with a little foam wedge under the arch. You might be able to replicate that with the Dr. Scholls 'hidden arch,' which is just a little rubber thing that you can stick to the arch in your stock insole/shoe. I wear these in dress shoes, where the fit is too snug to fit an insole in them. You can get them from the little insoles, etc. section at the drug store - maybe $10 or so.
(https://www.drscholls.ca/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/DS-SS-Hidden-Arch-Support888853001791_front.jpg)
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For anyone interested: FP has a 25% off sale. Use code J25
(https://i.ibb.co/qLQwkxDK/IMG-6280.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qLQwkxDK)
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iso some insoles with padding on the arch. something like the ones on the samba classic. my arches constantly feel like theyre doing the splits
tried surfing the fp site but that site is aneurism inducing
The Samba Classic insole is super thin, with a little foam wedge under the arch. You might be able to replicate that with the Dr. Scholls 'hidden arch,' which is just a little rubber thing that you can stick to the arch in your stock insole/shoe. I wear these in dress shoes, where the fit is too snug to fit an insole in them. You can get them from the little insoles, etc. section at the drug store - maybe $10 or so.
(https://www.drscholls.ca/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/DS-SS-Hidden-Arch-Support888853001791_front.jpg)
yo thank you. this is exactly what i need!
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I usually just toss of thin Spenco insoles over the ones in my shoes but I've been skating a lot lately and my feet and knees are just really sore. I'm old, heavy and absolutely don't huck. I have high arches. Can anyone recommend a good insole that will just reduce the vibration/strain on my knees and feet. Currently wearing Asics Japan.
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That’s it. I give up on FP. the five year old Kingfoams work better at shock absorption than either the newer green or orange formula (Kingfoam and Action Gel).
Hurt my damn feet just doing Ollies.
Sad. If these old pair ever fall apart, I really may need to quit skating :(
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That’s it. I give up on FP. the five year old Kingfoams work better at shock absorption than either the newer green or orange formula (Kingfoam and Action Gel).
Hurt my damn feet just doing Ollies.
Sad. If these old pair ever fall apart, I really may need to quit skating :(
you try the fluidx?
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That’s it. I give up on FP. the five year old Kingfoams work better at shock absorption than either the newer green or orange formula (Kingfoam and Action Gel).
Hurt my damn feet just doing Ollies.
Sad. If these old pair ever fall apart, I really may need to quit skating :(
you try the fluidx?
Not for $50. I was willing to try the Action sports for a while now since it was on sale last week. I generally don’t trust new things, since things always just seem to get worse instead of better.
These 5 years old green foam ones have been literal life savers, allowing me to skate for this long without back and knee pain.
And it’s why I keep buying new ones in the hope that I can eventually replace: (I’ve gotten the blue foam ones made for walking, a pair or green mids for hiking boots, a pair of the kingfoams Pro with the green and blue together, and now the orange action sports).
The blue foams I will say are super soft, but they squish out really easily (like TOO soft), and they might be great for someone that weights 130 pounds. (Not me, I’m 180)
Every single time I think “it’ll be different this time and the new pair will be as good or better”. And they never are.
Sorry to be so morose. It just sucks cause it’s a lot of products that this is the trend: you find something you love and then you can never get it again because the product or company goes south.
If someone were to give me a pair of the fluidX I’d try them and report back if they were any better. But I think my thick head is now convinced to stop thinking “it’ll be different this time”
*they’ve held up pretty well for five years.
(https://i.ibb.co/4g2MY8m8/IMG-6474.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4g2MY8m8)
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That’s it. I give up on FP. the five year old Kingfoams work better at shock absorption than either the newer green or orange formula (Kingfoam and Action Gel).
Hurt my damn feet just doing Ollies.
Sad. If these old pair ever fall apart, I really may need to quit skating :(
you try the fluidx?
Not for $50. I was willing to try the Action sports for a while now since it was on sale last week. I generally don’t trust new things, since things always just seem to get worse instead of better.
These 5 years old green foam ones have been literal life savers, allowing me to skate for this long without back and knee pain.
And it’s why I keep buying new ones in the hope that I can eventually replace: (I’ve gotten the blue foam ones made for walking, a pair or green mids for hiking boots, a pair of the kingfoams Pro with the green and blue together, and now the orange action sports).
The blue foams I will say are super soft, but they squish out really easily (like TOO soft), and they might be great for someone that weights 130 pounds. (Not me, I’m 180)
Every single time I think “it’ll be different this time and the new pair will be as good or better”. And they never are.
Sorry to be so morose. It just sucks cause it’s a lot of products that this is the trend: you find something you love and then you can never get it again because the product or company goes south.
If someone were to give me a pair of the fluidX I’d try them and report back if they were any better. But I think my thick head is now convinced to stop thinking “it’ll be different this time”
all good man and no need to apologize. shit can be frustrating. the fluidx sounds similar to the bluefoams based on your description. hopefully ya can find the right pick for ya dawg
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all good man and no need to apologize. shit can be frustrating. the fluidx sounds similar to the bluefoams based on your description. hopefully ya can find the right pick for ya dawg
Preciate it. One day will find a replacement.
Trying real hard here ;D ha
(https://i.ibb.co/0V1hwVHr/IMG-6478.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V1hwVHr)
Next up will be trying Old Bones probably… maybe next sale.
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all good man and no need to apologize. shit can be frustrating. the fluidx sounds similar to the bluefoams based on your description. hopefully ya can find the right pick for ya dawg
Preciate it. One day will find a replacement.
Trying real hard here ;D ha
(https://i.ibb.co/0V1hwVHr/IMG-6478.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V1hwVHr)
GAWDAYUM
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all good man and no need to apologize. shit can be frustrating. the fluidx sounds similar to the bluefoams based on your description. hopefully ya can find the right pick for ya dawg
Preciate it. One day will find a replacement.
Trying real hard here ;D ha
(https://i.ibb.co/0V1hwVHr/IMG-6478.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0V1hwVHr)
GAWDAYUM
Yeah. Appropriate reaction. lol
Problem, madness, or “collection”?
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I usually just toss of thin Spenco insoles over the ones in my shoes but I've been skating a lot lately and my feet and knees are just really sore. I'm old, heavy and absolutely don't huck. I have high arches. Can anyone recommend a good insole that will just reduce the vibration/strain on my knees and feet. Currently wearing Asics Japan.
Superfeet run cushion works for me in Japan pro. Even the dunk insole is better than the Asics
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I don't know, I kinda liked my Kingfoam Elite Mids (the green ones) in my NB 440v2's. They feel comfy. I do recognize that the whole brand has its various, eh, challenges, though.
Also, the Gamechangers have treated me well in the past, too. I'm old. And light, though (142 lbs).
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I usually just toss of thin Spenco insoles over the ones in my shoes but I've been skating a lot lately and my feet and knees are just really sore. I'm old, heavy and absolutely don't huck. I have high arches. Can anyone recommend a good insole that will just reduce the vibration/strain on my knees and feet. Currently wearing Asics Japan.
Superfeet run cushion works for me in Japan pro. Even the dunk insole is better than the Asics
Same exact setup and it feels pretty perfect to me. I might have bought those because of your recommandation actually ! The only issue when you get use to specific insoles is not being able to buy any shoe (like cons insoles have more shock absorption and are thicker than super feet I feel like ? Not even talking about weird Nike bubble insoles)
Anyway since I use superfeet I don’t have any ankle pain anymore which used to bother me a lot. I just feel like shock/vibration is not absorbed as well as some standard insoles like NB. It’s true that ASICS ones are useless anyway so not loosing anything on this pair !
Do you choose shoes based on the compatibility of insoles (then some shoes brands are not in your target for this reason)?
I was thinking about cutting the insole and Frankenstein insoles with the front being stock insole ortholire nb for example and the back being superfeet but no clue how to connect them and if it’d make a difference
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I usually just toss of thin Spenco insoles over the ones in my shoes but I've been skating a lot lately and my feet and knees are just really sore. I'm old, heavy and absolutely don't huck. I have high arches. Can anyone recommend a good insole that will just reduce the vibration/strain on my knees and feet. Currently wearing Asics Japan.
Superfeet run cushion works for me in Japan pro. Even the dunk insole is better than the Asics
I was thinking about cutting the insole and Frankenstein insoles with the front being stock insole ortholire nb for example and the back being superfeet but no clue how to connect them and if it’d make a difference
I do this. These are some Etnies (David Reyes - Marana) insoles at the front. Nice and thick. With custon orthotics in the back. Here in some Vans Old Skool with the standard insoles ripped out.
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I usually just toss of thin Spenco insoles over the ones in my shoes but I've been skating a lot lately and my feet and knees are just really sore. I'm old, heavy and absolutely don't huck. I have high arches. Can anyone recommend a good insole that will just reduce the vibration/strain on my knees and feet. Currently wearing Asics Japan.
Superfeet run cushion works for me in Japan pro. Even the dunk insole is better than the Asics
Same exact setup and it feels pretty perfect to me. I might have bought those because of your recommandation actually ! The only issue when you get use to specific insoles is not being able to buy any shoe (like cons insoles have more shock absorption and are thicker than super feet I feel like ? Not even talking about weird Nike bubble insoles)
Anyway since I use superfeet I don’t have any ankle pain anymore which used to bother me a lot. I just feel like shock/vibration is not absorbed as well as some standard insoles like NB. It’s true that ASICS ones are useless anyway so not loosing anything on this pair !
Do you choose shoes based on the compatibility of insoles (then some shoes brands are not in your target for this reason)?
I was thinking about cutting the insole and Frankenstein insoles with the front being stock insole ortholire nb for example and the back being superfeet but no clue how to connect them and if it’d make a difference
Tbh I just choose shoes based on what I like or think looks good. After that i'll mess around with insoles if desired. Some shoes like the Ishod I'll just skate as is since that insole is way thick, but then I'll switch between those and dunks to give my knees a break.
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After a test of all the FP insoles, I’ve decided I’m a sensitive weeny, and while there are very minute differences between old and new formula, they mostly perform the same.
Did some high Ollie’s and tried some ledge and rail tricks and had to run out most of them (night skating. lee me lone). I could feel the vibrations between the different FP’s, but mostly okay and feel like I would after a long session. (Skated for 30 minutes tonight, while usually ~1.5 hours).
If I had to skate one of the newer insoles, I’d probably be okay. (All except the Kingfoam elite pro’s blue/green. Those hurt the worst and I actually will not be ever skating these. No idea why, but the green does feel the firmest.)
All in all: I’m a sensitive weeny and will not be disparaging FP anymore. They are for the most part legit in impact protection, and vibration reduction for anyone else who has fragile, baby bones.
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Bought some of the flat FP 5mm insoles to replace my stock 440 ones. (I didn’t want to change the shape /heel drop like their other insoles do). So far they’re good and they were only like $15.
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For evedryday/gym use I 've been running these with EXTREMELY good results as far as kneepain goes (not very cushy but just enough) - my knees / lower back haven't felt this good in over year:
SOLE Active https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KNJ4ASA?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_3&th=1
Have some Remind Remedys on the way for my skate shoes (for more impact protection), here's a 20% off link from my order:
https://tinyurl.com/God-Save-The-Knees
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For finnish heads, Prisma sells eva foam insoles for ~9e
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I've been using the flat 5mm $15 FP insoles in the 440s because the stock 440 insole is 5mm with no drop. They've been good for the price. On my third pair of shoes with them.
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Reporting back in… I’ve been skating the Kingfoam elite (green stuff) Mids
No pain just like my five year old Highs. Maybe there’s a break in period? maybe they just get squishier with age?
Fuck if anyone knows…
When it gets cold again I’ll try the Action sports gel to see if it really does not freeze like they promised.
Still happy with them, though. There’s hope yet that I don’t have to quit!
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Reporting back in… I’ve been skating the Kingfoam elite (green stuff) Mids
No pain just like my five year old Highs. Maybe there’s a break in period? maybe they just get squishier with age?
Fuck if anyone knows…
When it gets cold again I’ll try the Action sports gel to see if it really does not freeze like they promised.
Still happy with them, though. There’s hope yet that I don’t have to quit!
I've been using the Kingfoam Elite Mids in my 440v2's and they feel aight. Not much of a break in period for me. Plus they seem to last.
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I feel like the half cab's are too puffy and the SB's too thin.I would go for some inbetween.
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I feel like the half cab's are too puffy and the SB's too thin.I would go for some inbetween.
440v2 high maybe?
Also, what would be a good insole for a Blazer mid? I have some Kingfoams that seem to be ok
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I feel like the half cab's are too puffy and the SB's too thin.I would go for some inbetween.
Also, what would be a good insole for a Blazer mid? I have some Kingfoams that seem to be ok
Kingfoam? Gonna chek that out thx dude.
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I feel like the half cab's are too puffy and the SB's too thin.I would go for some inbetween.
Also, what would be a good insole for a Blazer mid? I have some Kingfoams that seem to be ok
These are the ones I have:
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/p/footprint-camo-king-foam-flat-insoles-us-4-14-all-red_p168955
Again, nothing to go crazy about but they help a fair bit.
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I feel like the half cab's are too puffy and the SB's too thin.I would go for some inbetween.
Also, what would be a good insole for a Blazer mid? I have some Kingfoams that seem to be ok
Depends on what you want. I have Gamechangers in my Blazer Mids and love it. The shoes are near their end of life as I can feel the bottom of the outsole is worn nearly all the way through but I'm determined to use them until it goes all the way through. Kingfoams should work just was well, just depends on if you want the custom molding of Gamechangers or not. One thing I've noticed between Gamechangers and Kingfoam is the Gamechangers don't need any "warm up" period since they are already molded to your feet shape where Kingfoams always feel hard and flat at first because they are but after a few minutes wearing them, they warm up and conform to your feet and feel just as good as Gamechangers minus the extra arch support.
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I feel like the half cab's are too puffy and the SB's too thin.I would go for some inbetween.
Also, what would be a good insole for a Blazer mid? I have some Kingfoams that seem to be ok
Solid answer, ty.
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Skated the kingfoam for a bit and was convinced they were meh. Then I didn't re-up on them with my new shoes and that didn't last long. Won't be shying away from them again any time soon. It makes such a difference if your feet hurt.
It might've been said before but when replacing your insoles try and make sure the new insoles shape semi resemble the old.
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I'll try these FP I guess.Love skating Blazers but I feel that square cush too much...
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It is documented that there are people that do not want to buy from FP, so I'm just wondering why they don't license it to other shoe companies? Maybe they're doing just fine.
The stuff really does work so well that, yeah, not using it brings back the pain.
Maybe it's skateboarding's best kept secret, but I'm really fascinated that it's not everywhere.
(Wait, no, that's Roger... "the board your favorite pro would be riding if they could")
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It's been said before, but Soletech's insoles are solid quality and worth carrying over into other shoes if you have tried any Es, Etnies, Emerica with them:
G6 insoles from most of Emerica's vulcs
Etnies Level 1 (i think?) - the ones in the Michelin cupsoles
Es energy insoles (in accel slim and sophisto i believe)
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It's been said before, but Soletech's insoles are solid quality and worth carrying over into other shoes if you have tried any Es, Etnies, Emerica with them:
G6 insoles from most of Emerica's vulcs
Etnies Level 1 (i think?) - the ones in the Michelin cupsoles
Es energy insoles (in accel slim and sophisto i believe)
For sure. They are great. Sole tech did do something very right with them.
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It's been said before, but Soletech's insoles are solid quality and worth carrying over into other shoes if you have tried any Es, Etnies, Emerica with them:
G6 insoles from most of Emerica's vulcs
Etnies Level 1 (i think?) - the ones in the Michelin cupsoles
Es energy insoles (in accel slim and sophisto i believe)
This is true. I've successfully reused my insoles from my old Joslins. They're solid and supportive.
Mine have the print "sti / stilab.com" on them. I guess the "technology" is called STI Energy Foam.
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Does any of the FP have support on the heel side like superfeet ? I love them for the lateral support which made any pain in my ankle disappear but the front part / foam is not so good for vibration / impacts
I’m also debating cutting an insole and putting the the front part some NB insole and keeping the back part superfeet. Not 100% it’s a great idea and how to do it though
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Does any of the FP have support on the heel side like superfeet ? I love them for the lateral support which made any pain in my ankle disappear but the front part / foam is not so good for vibration / impacts
I’m also debating cutting an insole and putting the the front part some NB insole and keeping the back part superfeet. Not 100% it’s a great idea and how to do it though
I never tried the Kingfoam Elite but those have an added heel cup, I guess for added support.
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I ripped out the flat ortholite insoles from my Jordan 1s and put some dunk insoles in, feels way more locked in. Tried it with some Superfeet adapt hike footbeds, felt pretty good
My feet were kinda hurting in blazers with just the lil insole airbag on top of the rubber crate, so I put some fastbreak footbeds in there and them boys feel great now
I use SOLE active thin footbeds in most all my non-skate stuff like running shoes and ice climbing boots, snowboard and ski boots and stuff, churchy shoes and the shoes I wear for work. They're super thin and durable. I like the "performance" cork ones a lot but I've had three pairs completely fall apart on me. Currently have zipfit insoles in my ski boots, I think the stock 32 ones in my snowboard boots, and some "patriot" ski footbeds in my cycling shoes
I wanna try some FPs, the ones that are the thickest under the heel, in the blazer mids. And maybe some thinner ones in dunks/aj1s. Maybe z liners in those or just thinner fps.
I don't know what kind to get cause their website sucks and their shit is named like, "kingfoam elite pro sport hi" which I don't even know if that's an actual product but yeah
Might just grip some from an online skate shop labor day sale
Just crushing it, buying FP and buying skate stuff online double whammy ooof
Basically i prefer the feel of foam over airbags and the only two aftermarket footbeds I saw with the fuckin bowling ball thing were FP and Z Liners, the latter being honeycomb gel and 3mm thick up front
Straight up though the fastbreak footbeds in the blazer mids feels better on my feet, I think it's like a polyurethane foam as opposed to eva... I remember ultracush and those orange lunarlon dunk ones feeling kind of firm for me, but it could've been cause the shoes were getting old. I seem to remember liking the popcush. I definitely like these converse ones
Gonna go try and figure out which ones I want... Kinda between fp and remind right now, leaning toward fp sadly
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I ripped out the flat ortholite insoles from my Jordan 1s and put some dunk insoles in, feels way more locked in. Tried it with some Superfeet adapt hike footbeds, felt pretty good
My feet were kinda hurting in blazers with just the lil insole airbag on top of the rubber crate, so I put some fastbreak footbeds in there and them boys feel great now
I use SOLE active thin footbeds in most all my non-skate stuff like running shoes and ice climbing boots, snowboard and ski boots and stuff, churchy shoes and the shoes I wear for work. They're super thin and durable. I like the "performance" cork ones a lot but I've had three pairs completely fall apart on me. Currently have zipfit insoles in my ski boots, I think the stock 32 ones in my snowboard boots, and some "patriot" ski footbeds in my cycling shoes
I wanna try some FPs, the ones that are the thickest under the heel, in the blazer mids. And maybe some thinner ones in dunks/aj1s. Maybe z liners in those or just thinner fps.
I don't know what kind to get cause their website sucks and their shit is named like, "kingfoam elite pro sport hi" which I don't even know if that's an actual product but yeah
Might just grip some from an online skate shop labor day sale
Just crushing it, buying FP and buying skate stuff online double whammy ooof
Basically i prefer the feel of foam over airbags and the only two aftermarket footbeds I saw with the fuckin bowling ball thing were FP and Z Liners, the latter being honeycomb gel and 3mm thick up front
Straight up though the fastbreak footbeds in the blazer mids feels better on my feet, I think it's like a polyurethane foam as opposed to eva... I remember ultracush and those orange lunarlon dunk ones feeling kind of firm for me, but it could've been cause the shoes were getting old. I seem to remember liking the popcush. I definitely like these converse ones
Gonna go try and figure out which ones I want... Kinda between fp and remind right now, leaning toward fp sadly
Just the basics are best. Kingfoam elite high is the green stuff through and through, and the proven stuff that has been around for a long time. I’d say get that stuff and forget all the extra new tech. (I’m still testing if the action sports gel is as good. I’m just using the KF elite mid and it’s working great. Maybe some sessions were needed to soften it up to feel like my five year old KF elite Highs)
The Kingfoam elite Pro uses the blue stuff that is super soft for walking. I am not a fan of it for skate and they don’t market it as for impact protection (it’s got more air in it feels like. SUPER squishy. Is a nice stress ball, ha) the heel has green stuff but it feels harder and definitely hurts my feet more. Not sure what happened there because the green feels different.
The game changers, fluidX, etc, are not necessary but you could try and report back.
Good luck
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Thanks!! That was kind of what I was figuring out too. Ended up getting the kingfoam elite hi from tactics with their labor day sale for 22 bucks before shipping
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Thanks!! That was kind of what I was figuring out too. Ended up getting the kingfoam elite hi from tactics with their labor day sale for 22 bucks before shipping
Hope they’re everything I’ve built them up to be for yah!
The first thing I noticed when I first started using them is that my knees and feet stopped hurting as much during and after sessions.
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Thanks!! That was kind of what I was figuring out too. Ended up getting the kingfoam elite hi from tactics with their labor day sale for 22 bucks before shipping
Hope they’re everything I’ve built them up to be for yah!
The first thing I noticed when I first started using them is that my knees and feet stopped hurting as much during and after sessions.
I think they'll be pretty good. Combined with the spitfire 93s my old ass is gonna be juuuust fine
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Thanks!! That was kind of what I was figuring out too. Ended up getting the kingfoam elite hi from tactics with their labor day sale for 22 bucks before shipping
Hope they’re everything I’ve built them up to be for yah!
The first thing I noticed when I first started using them is that my knees and feet stopped hurting as much during and after sessions.
I think they'll be pretty good. Combined with the spitfire 93s my old ass is gonna be juuuust fine
Sounds like it, ha.
The x and soft sliders really do make a difference. I tried FF99’s one day just to try them after a few years being on X, and after 30 minutes I had to stop: all my joints/etc. were aching.
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The x and soft sliders really do make a difference. I tried FF99’s one day just to try them after a few years being on X, and after 30 minutes I had to stop: all my joints/etc. were aching.
Exactly what happened to me this past summer. One session back on F4 99's and I was done for good. Back to X's. The F4's weren't even faster.
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Got the kingfoam insoles, trimmed them perfectly but yeah the heel and mid foot part was sooo wide, like wider than the shoe
Mashed em in there and it works so idk. Fits perfect up front and in the back it just kinda conformed to the inside, and the extra material acts kinda like an arch haha
Gonna try the cheaper gamechangers and see how those fit in a blazer.
The foam is crazy tho it's definitely on some science shit
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Got the kingfoam insoles, trimmed them perfectly but yeah the heel and mid foot part was sooo wide, like wider than the shoe
Mashed em in there and it works so idk. Fits perfect up front and in the back it just kinda conformed to the inside, and the extra material acts kinda like an arch haha
Gonna try the cheaper gamechangers and see how those fit in a blazer.
The foam is crazy tho it's definitely on some science shit
I use the Kingfoam and Gamechangers without trimming at all. They are a bit wider than stock insoles but it’s fine, they just conform to the sides and that way, the entire bottom and some edges are covered and it works perfectly fine for me that way. In my blazers, I just make sure to shift the insole so it’s centered before I put my foot in and then once my foot is in and laced up, it’s good to go.
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Nice, that's pretty much what I'm doing now. I had to trim a lil bit off the toes but I left everything else how it is
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I'm out of the loop with footprint. Haven't needed new ones for a while but when I'm looking they all look way different. Bulbous front, strange heel cup different looking foam.
I'm used to the ones that had the stitch line that went around the edge. Are the new ones just as good or should I try get hold of the ones I'm used to?
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I think theres two basic ones that don't have all the options, I like those
Kingfoam elite - hi (I think there's a 'pro' version that has goop in the heel, and an 'orthotic' version that has goop under the arch) these are like $30, I got some at tactics on labor day
Gamechangers - medium - comfort
I think these are the cheapest of the gamechangers and the updated version of those ones with stitching on em
No goop or anything crazy
Their lingo is so all over the place, there's so many options and it's easy for someone to recommend them to a friend, friend gets totally different ones and hates them
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I've been using the wrong FP insoles (because they resemble the most what was in the NB# -shoes to begin with) all this time... The "flat" ones, without the heel counter. I usually used a bit thicker insole than the stock ones to get maximum protection.
Some time ago I did put these ones with the heel counter in my shoes and they did make a huge difference. I was able to use thinner ones (=more board feel) and because of the heel counter, it did help me with my Haglund's deformation (by moving my heel away from the back of the shoe?) also.
I guess everyone knows this already, but I cannot think of any reason why you would need to use the totally flat instead of the ones with the heel counter...
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I've been using the wrong FP insoles (because they resemble the most what was in the NB# -shoes to begin with) all this time... The "flat" ones, without the heel counter. I usually used a bit thicker insole than the stock ones to get maximum protection.
Some time ago I did put these ones with the heel counter in my shoes and they did make a huge difference. I was able to use thinner ones (=more board feel) and because of the heel counter, it did help me with my Haglund's deformation (by moving my heel away from the back of the shoe?) also.
I guess everyone knows this already, but I cannot think of any reason why you would need to use the totally flat instead of the ones with the heel counter...
Right off the bat, some people like myself want minimal drop so your feet are as level as possible and from that image, it looks like there is definitely a drop in the second picture where the heel is much higher than the toes. To me, the flat insoles give you the most foot control and board feel. Another thing for me is my shoes fit fine as is so I don't ned additional heel cupping from my insole. All I want is impact protection and some arch support so the standard Gamechangers are the perfect fit for me. Standard Kingfoams (I think those are in the first pic you shared) are also good for me except they don't have the arch support I prefer to have. All that said, I've never tried the other FP insoles with the heel cup so maybe I'm full of shit and would like them more but I doubt it based on what I just explained and my overall preference for footwear.
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Heel cup is totally a personal thing. I don't enjoy a high and thick cup as it feels like my heel is being "offset" from the shoe and it screws up with my shoe/boardfeel. I've used the FP Kingfoam Elite Mids and I initially had an issue with the really fat heel cup, but with scissors and patience and some trial and error I got them working pretty well.
The slight cup of e.g. the stock NB Ortholite insole is actually pretty perfect, but I can skate a flat insole no problem, provided the shoe itself has a good fit. The old NB# flat insoles in the 440 v1 were actually really good -- albeit lacking a bit of impact protection, which is a of course a totally different conversation.
Heel cup or not, for me the most important thing is that my foot sits perfectly in the shoe. Not too high, not too much offset from the shoe heel. Good boardfeel results from good shoefeel.
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I've been using the wrong FP insoles (because they resemble the most what was in the NB# -shoes to begin with) all this time... The "flat" ones, without the heel counter. I usually used a bit thicker insole than the stock ones to get maximum protection.
Some time ago I did put these ones with the heel counter in my shoes and they did make a huge difference. I was able to use thinner ones (=more board feel) and because of the heel counter, it did help me with my Haglund's deformation (by moving my heel away from the back of the shoe?) also.
I guess everyone knows this already, but I cannot think of any reason why you would need to use the totally flat instead of the ones with the heel counter...
The picture is from a bad angle, there is not much drop, it is just the heel counter that is raised. The actual thickness is 5mm under heel, 3mm under toe. And like Rikki said, these need to be cut to size/fit the shoes.
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They don't seem very thick. The Etnies insoles mentioned further up the thread, and I like as well, are 5mm toe - 8mm heel.
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Yeah, apart from the horizontally fat ass heel cup, the Kingfoams are actually quite flat and do not raise the heel upwards that much. The shape of the bright green side that goes up towards the heel makes for a bit of an optical illusion.
But yeah, as said, those wrap around the heel a lot, and the cup (sides and back) needs a bit of surgical precision with scissors for a proper fit.
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They don't seem very thick. The Etnies insoles mentioned further up the thread, and I like as well, are 5mm toe - 8mm heel.
They come in several thicknesses. But, the energy absorption of the material is much greater than most other insoles so a thinner option from FP might still be better than a thicker insole from another brand.
As for the rise, good to know it’s not that significant. From what I remember, my Kingfoam are completely flat and the Gamechangers might have a slight rise but it’s mostly flat with just a small section around the toes that is thinner. I’ll have to check next time I need to take them out. Either way, I don’t like to have to trim my insoles and don’t think I need the heelcup. Since the ones I have seen perfect for me already, I’m good to go and I have extras since FP accidentally sent me a duplicate of my order a few weeks after I got my first shipment. I might not ever need to buy insoles again.
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So, I took my kingfoam elite highs out of my blazers and was skating them in my Jordan 1s, and I didn't like how tall the heel was
Did some research and the heel stack on Jordan 1s, air ships, and dunk SBs is 5.5mm higher than blazers
So I just ordered some 5mm flat kingfoam insoles
That way the elite highs in my blazers and the flat mids in my Jordan 1s will feel like my feet are the same height of the ground
I wish they all had the heel cup like gamechangers
I wonder how secure I'm gonna feel in the heel area with just a flat insole, but it should be okay
Plus Jordan 1s tied kind of snug looks cool to me like all 80s looking
Totally sold on the FP foam though, this shit is legit.
I don't fuck with the kingfoam orthotics with goo, or the "pro" ones with the quantum shit in the heel cup
Honestly just the kingfoam elite high and kingfoam flat mid are prolly all ya need if you have high arches, one for vulc and one for cupsole
I don't trust the foam arch support on gamechangers though, and reminds don't have that kingfoam stuff, so I thought of something
If you take the SOLE brand "active thin" footbeds, they're awesome and I use them in super tight shoes like ski boots and cycling shoes and stuff, they're really thin plastic under the toe and midfoot, and a firm arch and heel cup in the back.. you could glue some of the flat basic 3mm kingfoam thin insoles to the bottom of those and have the best of both worlds... Actual support -and- the shock absorption
And in shoes like a last resort vm001 high or vans sk8-hi(not the "skate" version, R.I.P. vans Pros except for the oustole always peeling apart), or drop-in ones like the Wair Max or Leo Bakers, you could put the mid kingfoam elites(7mm heel-5mm toe) glued to the SOLE active thins and probably use a half size smaller shoe since the firm SOLE footbeds keep your foot locked in... You could also do it with the highs if you trim off the heel cup.. Like in ski boots I can wear a full size smaller boot because the insoles kinda pull my foot back a little, like if I rent ski boots and don't have my footbeds I have to get a full size bigger
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The plain flat Kingfoam insoles are fine around the heel. They will mold to the shape of the shoe and kind of wrap around the shape of your foot, especially when warmed up. If you don't care about arch support, they are probably the cheapest and best FP insoles to get.
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The plain flat Kingfoam insoles are fine around the heel. They will mold to the shape of the shoe and kind of wrap around the shape of your foot, especially when warmed up. If you don't care about arch support, they are probably the cheapest and best FP insoles to get.
Are they really wide around the heel like the Elite highs?
I was worried those wouldn't fit in my blazers, but they just kind of mash in there and work great. So if the 5mm flat ones are wider back there too, it should simulate a heel cup a little bit, which I'd be happy with. Either way, they're in the mail and I'm psyched to try em out. The elite highs will live forever only in my blazer mids
And yeah I don't care about arch support except in shoes that I want to fit as tight as possible/no foot movement at all like ice climbing boots, cycling shoes, ski boots, snowboard boots etc
I tried arch support and half-size down skate shoes for a couple years and they would be too tight in the toes, not enough heel cushion, etc
I bet glueing a kingfoam elite mid to a thin SOLE footbed in some SB Leos a half size down would be absolutely killer though, performance-wise, but I kinda just wanna chill have have a lot of boardfeel and room to wiggle. I have high arches anyway
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The plain flat Kingfoam insoles are fine around the heel. They will mold to the shape of the shoe and kind of wrap around the shape of your foot, especially when warmed up. If you don't care about arch support, they are probably the cheapest and best FP insoles to get.
Are they really wide around the heel like the Elite highs?
I was worried those wouldn't fit in my blazers, but they just kind of mash in there and work great. So if the 5mm flat ones are wider back there too, it should simulate a heel cup a little bit, which I'd be happy with. Either way, they're in the mail and I'm psyched to try em out. The elite highs will live forever only in my blazer mids
And yeah I don't care about arch support except in shoes that I want to fit as tight as possible/no foot movement at all like ice climbing boots, cycling shoes, ski boots, snowboard boots etc
I tried arch support and half-size down skate shoes for a couple years and they would be too tight in the toes, not enough heel cushion, etc
I bet glueing a kingfoam elite mid to a thin SOLE footbed in some SB Leos a half size down would be absolutely killer though, performance-wise, but I kinda just wanna chill have have a lot of boardfeel and room to wiggle. I have high arches anyway
No idea about comparison to Elite. I only have standard Kingfoam and Gamechangers. They both fit nice and snug around the heel on all the shoes I've tried with them, including Blazers. I only used Gamechangers in the Blazer but the insoles are pretty much the same shape with different tech..
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Word I bet they're prolly the same dims
Thanks
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Fp is a scam company, consider ANYTHING else
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My go-to process: I swap my NB# stock insoles into Gamechangers once the shoe starts to reach the latter part of its life and the stock insoles start to feel dead. The FP's breathe a whole new life into the shoes.
If I skated vulcs, I'd prolly put in the FP's right from the start.
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Fp is a scam company, consider ANYTHING else
They are corny
Can you tell me another brand that has foam like that? I would gladly buy from someone else who has something similar
I'm 37 and was hopping off my porch and landing dead on both my heels as hard as I could on purpose and my bones weren't getting rocked. They work for sure, I was honestly surprised when I first got them. I wouldn't be able to do that in any of the other insoles I've tried
I'm gonna get a set of Z-liners soon but I doubt they'll work as well for just pure shock absorption
Thing is, I've considered EVERYTHING else and ended up with FP simply because they actually work for me. I don't like the company either and never buy directly from them because their website is a mess
It reminds me of when I ended up using some Lululemon shorts for backpacking after trying a bunch of different stuff. I hate Lululemon for many reasons, racism and body shaming being two, but at the time I couldn't find any other shorts that were exactly what I was looking for (surge 4")
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Fp is a scam company, consider ANYTHING else
What scam are they pulling? If it’s offering the best insoles I’ve ever tried, I’m ok with their scam.
I think there was some thing a while ago where someone was possibly scamming them by making a spoof website claiming to be them. Their official website and marketing isn’t the greatest either but I don’t care about any of that as long as I get the best insoles, which they make as far as I know.
Plus, I got 4 sets of their insoles for the price of less than one since the one I wanted was on sale and they were giving one free and they accidentally sent me my order twice. If anything, I scammed them in that case, lol. I’ll probably never need to buy any insoles again so I’m set whatever happens with them.
My go-to process: I swap my NB# stock insoles into Gamechangers once the shoe starts to reach the latter part of its life and the stock insoles start to feel dead. The FP's breathe a whole new life into the shoes.
If I skated vulcs, I'd prolly put in the FP's right from the start.
That’s a good process especially if the insoles that come with your shoes are already decently good enough. I did the same with my last two pairs of shoes but partially because I got the Gamechangers later specifically to replace my Blazer insoles because those weren’t cutting it. My current shoes had the worst insoles ever so I swapped in my Gamechangers immediately and they have transformed the shoes for me.
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Fp is a scam company, consider ANYTHING else
I think there was some thing a while ago where someone was possibly scamming them by making a spoof website claiming to be them. Their official website and marketing isn’t the greatest either but I don’t care about any of that as long as I get the best insoles, which they make as far as I know.
Plus, I got 4 sets of their insoles for the price of less than one since the one I wanted was on sale and they were giving one free and they accidentally sent me my order twice. If anything, I scammed them in that case, lol. I’ll probably never need to buy any insoles again so I’m set whatever happens with them.
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My go-to process: I swap my NB# stock insoles into Gamechangers once the shoe starts to reach the latter part of its life and the stock insoles start to feel dead. The FP's breathe a whole new life into the shoes.
If I skated vulcs, I'd prolly put in the FP's right from the start.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=2859951.msg4381482#msg4381482
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Slave IV literally has comments in that thread lol
Yeah fuck them but all need is a couple pairs and they should last a long time and I don't buy them directly from FP or for full price and they help my feet
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Slave IV literally has comments in that thread lol
Yeah fuck them but all need is a couple pairs and they should last a long time and I don't buy them directly from FP or for full price and they help my feet
Haha, I remember that now after reading it again and I basically said the same thing there, “I got reverse scammed” lol! I have to wonder if that was the fake site @skateboarder4life ordered from too. Either way, they are still the best insoles I’ve ever used and I’ll probably never have to buy insoles ever again so I’m good. If anyone else got scammed, I feel for you and that really sucks but I just can’t relate in this case from my unique experience with them.
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Slave IV literally has comments in that thread lol
Yeah fuck them but all need is a couple pairs and they should last a long time and I don't buy them directly from FP or for full price and they help my feet
it was 100% the real site, they are legitimately just a SHITE company but glad you got reverse scammed. my bank did side with me and i kept the insoles too but i haven't had the stomach to try them i'm so disgusted by them. There were even some more kind of funny developments i may post an update in that thread
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Slave IV literally has comments in that thread lol
Yeah fuck them but all need is a couple pairs and they should last a long time and I don't buy them directly from FP or for full price and they help my feet
it was 100% the real site, they are legitimately just a SHITE company but glad you got reverse scammed. my bank did side with me and i kept the insoles too but i haven't had the stomach to try them i'm so disgusted by them. There were even some more kind of funny developments i may post an update in that thread
Well, I’m curious to hear what else they did but also wonder if it was a unique situation like mine but opposite if no one else experienced the same thing. Either way, you might as well try them since you got them for free and in a sense “scammed” them too but I totally get it was their fault. If they put your through some hell, at least you might get something good out of it if you like the product.
I got scammed once buying something unrelated and swore to never support the company again but years later, I heard people having good experiences with them and eventually, I tried them again because they had something that was difficult to find and they came through and have been reliable since.
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The plain flat Kingfoam insoles are fine around the heel. They will mold to the shape of the shoe and kind of wrap around the shape of your foot, especially when warmed up. If you don't care about arch support, they are probably the cheapest and best FP insoles to get.
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Their website is just so fucking confusing, with all the different colour ways and prints and versions, a lot of insoles are not available as well.
Quite happy with my kingfoam game changer elite (I need arch support and those are the moldable ones). They had a crack when molding so I got refunded by skatepro but I’m still happy using them with the Louie Lopez 2. I thicker version moldable would be good to put in Nike or vans that have those thick ones but can’t be bothered to look for it as I don’t understand their offer.
I also assembled the front of nb480 insoles with the heel part of superfeet, which could be the dream. I find the stability of superfeets heel to be the best but their foam doesn’t absorbs much and doesn’t last long. I haven’t tried them yet
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I put a size 9 SOLE Active Thin(1.6mm) insole on top of some flat 5mm Kingfoam insoles in my Jordan 1s and Air Ships, it's so dope
I'm glad I sized up a half size.. I have really wide feet and breaking in shoes used to really suck, and my foot would kinda spill over the outsole right in the heelflip/Ollie zone and I'd get holes there so fuckin fast.. jumping down stairs didn't feel great.. my foot rolled over easier
Jordans and dunks are wider than blazers and I feel like I have a lot more forefoot stability and don't get big holes in the side of my shoes as fast... But I can find lightly used blazers for real cheap all the time so I still rock with them too. They're way better in a 9 and I can't imagine cramming into the 8.5s anymore. I just cut the fat part of the swoosh off and shoe goo and stitch it down in the Ollie/heelflip area and that works.
Now I have a little room at the end of the shoe
Better to have em slightly too big I think. With the dunks, aj1s, air ships I can use 7mm flat insoles, 5mm flat insoles with Injinji liner socks under my regular crew socks, or 5mm insoles with those 1.6mm SOLE brand orthotics on top. Or a Sealskinz waterproof sock for the snow skate or skating in the rain. It's kinda nice. You can always add more padding to take up room in a bigger shoe, but you can't exactly make a smaller shoe fit bigger
The sizing is pretty consistent across dunks SBs, Jordan 1s, air ships, and blazers. Blazers are a little narrower though and don't last me as long. My Jordan 1 mids are by far the widest I have right now. I don't have any size 9 dunks right now but I remember them being about the same as the air ships.
In the blazers I use the kingfoam elite high (5mm forefoot/10mm heel) to give me the same stack height as a Dunk or AJ1(blazer=17.5mm heel, dunks/aj1s=23mm heel) with a flat 5mm insole - and a little more impact protection, since blazers just have the rubber crate under the heel. That's all I can do with the blazers though, just a regular sock and the elite high insoles. Kinda a summer shoe only for me.
Anyways I was gonna get some flat 7mm kingfoam insoles for my air ships since the stock insoles were p thick, and they were kinda loose with just the flat 5mm kingfoams. Then I remembered my idea about stacking a SOLE active thin insole on top. So I tried it and it rules. Now I have a firm arch support, heel airbag/PU, and a thin/flexible forefoot, full 5mm layer of FP foam...
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I clicked on the ad banner on top of this site and landed at remind insoles. How are they?
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My kingfoam elite insoles say to heat at 100f in the oven to mold them. My oven only goes down to 170 at the lowest. I could have just put them outside in the summer. How are you guys molding them?
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My kingfoam elite insoles say to heat at 100f in the oven to mold them. My oven only goes down to 170 at the lowest. I could have just put them outside in the summer. How are you guys molding them?
I've noticed they have generic instructions on some of their packaging but not all insoles they sell can be heat molded. I thought it was only the Gamechangers that specifically say they are heat moldable. Either way, my oven has a temp reading and you could use a thermometer if yours doesn't have one and you just heat it until it reaches the correct temperature and then turn it off. You might also be able to do similar with a hair dryer.
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My kingfoam elite insoles say to heat at 100f in the oven to mold them. My oven only goes down to 170 at the lowest. I could have just put them outside in the summer. How are you guys molding them?
I don't do anything to mine.
I know the Gamechangers have a pocket of foam under the arch that puffs up like a ski boot liner when you heat them, but that won't compare to a rigid arch support from other brands like Superfeet or Sole
I have high arches and I just use the flat, Kingfoam/Kingfoam Elite insoles that don't require any molding. They're the cheapest and most durable. Plus, my feet will definitely be 100°F in my shoes considering I'm already at 98° hahah
I have no experience with the Kingfoam Orthotics, that have the goop in the middle. I don't think those require heating.
I also don't have any experience with the "Pro" insoles that have the moldable "quantum" heel. Those require heating.
FPs jargon and descriptions are all over the place. It's extremely confusing.
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The Kingfoam Elites do not need heat molding. I've never done that to mine. Only to Gamechangers.
Plus, the 100F should probably be Celcius. 100F doesn't do shit to insoles.
But as said, don't bother trying to mold the Elites. They are way softer than Gamechangers and will mold as you skate.
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Tl;Dr - replicating a nike react Leo insole with fp foam and nerding out about heel-toe drop
Not sure how thick the React insole is on the Nike SB Leo Baker shoe, but I think without it, it's zero drop like vans or something
I want to try them with FP insoles
This is the solution I came up with
Glueing a Gamechangers high or kingfoam elite high on top of a kingfoam elite low
I haven't seen the Gamechangers highs anywhere yet but the kingfoam elite highs are easy to find and cheaper
Elite high - 5mm toe, 10mm heel
Elite low - 3mm toe, 5mm heel
This makes it 8mm under the forefoot, and 15 under the heel, with a drop of 7mm.
I think glueing those two together with barge cement or even that white foam mounting tape or something would work well in the Leos.
I wonder what the actual dimensions of the drop-in react insole are and if it's actually 0 drop without it
15mm of kingfoam under the heel sounds wildly comfortable, but it would probably not work too well in a shoe that's not designed for some shit like that, but I know those react insoles are chonkers so we'll see
(https://i.ibb.co/Q7MX6htW/Screenshot-20251110-135917-605.png)
I might use the contact cement and also stitch them together around the forefoot while it's still tacky
Could be a fun shoe
Right now I know I like the cheap, totally flat kingfoam insoles in dunk SBs and Jordan 1s(~11mm drop), and in Blazers, I like the kingfoam elite Highs, though they change the drop from ~6mm to ~11mm. If I use kingfoam elite mids in Blazers I get a drop of ~8mm.
This is why the idea of stacking an elite high on top of an elite low intrigues me for the Leo shoe, cause it would be 7mm drop and more of that foam underfoot than my dunks/Jordans/blazers
But honestly just a kingfoam elite high (5mm toe/10mm heel for a 5mm drop) should work in Leos, vans, etc as well.
I did not like the elite highs in dunks or Jordans. Too much heel-toe drop for me at 16mm. Felt like high heels.
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Tl;Dr - replicating a nike react Leo insole with fp foam and nerding out about heel-toe drop
Not sure how thick the React insole is on the Nike SB Leo Baker shoe, but I think without it, it's zero drop like vans or something
I want to try them with FP insoles
This is the solution I came up with
Glueing a Gamechangers high or kingfoam elite high on top of a kingfoam elite low
I haven't seen the Gamechangers highs anywhere yet but the kingfoam elite highs are easy to find and cheaper
Elite high - 5mm toe, 10mm heel
Elite low - 3mm toe, 5mm heel
This makes it 8mm under the forefoot, and 15 under the heel, with a drop of 7mm.
I think glueing those two together with barge cement or even that white foam mounting tape or something would work well in the Leos.
I wonder what the actual dimensions of the drop-in react insole are and if it's actually 0 drop without it
15mm of kingfoam under the heel sounds wildly comfortable, but it would probably not work too well in a shoe that's not designed for some shit like that, but I know those react insoles are chonkers so we'll see
(https://i.ibb.co/Q7MX6htW/Screenshot-20251110-135917-605.png)
I might use the contact cement and also stitch them together around the forefoot while it's still tacky
Could be a fun shoe
Right now I know I like the cheap, totally flat kingfoam insoles in dunk SBs and Jordan 1s(~11mm drop), and in Blazers, I like the kingfoam elite Highs, though they change the drop from ~6mm to ~11mm. If I use kingfoam elite mids in Blazers I get a drop of ~8mm.
This is why the idea of stacking an elite high on top of an elite low intrigues me for the Leo shoe, cause it would be 7mm drop and more of that foam underfoot than my dunks/Jordans/blazers
But honestly just a kingfoam elite high (5mm toe/10mm heel for a 5mm drop) should work in Leos, vans, etc as well.
I did not like the elite highs in dunks or Jordans. Too much heel-toe drop for me at 16mm. Felt like high heels.
What if you didn't glue (or tape) them together? I think the adhesive layer between the insoles might make them perform worse.
I was actually thinking of gluing some hard sheet under those soft Kingfoam insoles, because they tend to curl and shift under my feet.
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Looks like the heel is around 19mm and the toe about 8mm.(https://i.ibb.co/XfVZ7bK2/image1-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XfVZ7bK2)(https://i.ibb.co/fdrwBky5/image0-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fdrwBky5)
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What if you didn't glue (or tape) them together? I think the adhesive layer between the insoles might make them perform worse.
I was actually thinking of gluing some hard sheet under those soft Kingfoam insoles, because they tend to curl and shift under my feet.
I mean I think if I just contact cement them together it should be fine
I wonder about that, like I've seen these thin carbon fiber ones on the internet for sale that go under your insoles for more energy return running or whatever
Looks like the heel is around 19mm and the toe about 8mm.(https://i.ibb.co/XfVZ7bK2/image1-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XfVZ7bK2)(https://i.ibb.co/fdrwBky5/image0-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fdrwBky5)
Oh dope, thanks!
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I've had a good experience with Superfeet Run Cushion medium and decided to try the Run Support medium. I think those are almost too supportive. First time I wore them they made my knee hurt and then tried them again and got the same. I think that arch support piece is just too rigid to do me any good. Anyone have experience with Move insoles? Or the new remind destin
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Which gamechanger would you put in an asics Japan pro / Nike dunk or nb non Vulc?
I had the gamechanger elite (normal version) on Louie lopez 2 and I really enjoyed them. They’d surely be too thick on the shoes I have now (Japan pro and Dunk) - who ils you just use the gamechanger Low?
Also how many pairs do you do with game changers ? The prices are quite high so I’d keep them quite a bit ideally
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Which gamechanger would you put in an asics Japan pro / Nike dunk or nb non Vulc?
I had the gamechanger elite (normal version) on Louie lopez 2 and I really enjoyed them. They’d surely be too thick on the shoes I have now (Japan pro and Dunk) - who ils you just use the gamechanger Low?
Also how many pairs do you do with game changers ? The prices are quite high so I’d keep them quite a bit ideally
I use standard Gamechangers low and in my second pair of shoes on one set of insoles so far and I'm sure they will last at least a couple more shoes. Those are pretty much the only insoles I would use for any skate dedicated shoes although I have also used the basic Kingfoam as well. They all work perfect for me in any shoe, vulc or cupsole.
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Thanks I’ll try a pair then ! I really like superfeet but they only last one pair of shoe or something like that as the forefoot foam gets really flat and dead sadly…
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I’ve been debating on getting some orthotic insoles, something to help with leg length discrepancy, but I’m not really sure what the best option would be.
After fracturing my pelvis a few years back, it healed but left me with about a quarter inch of difference in height between my right and left leg.
Anyone have any recommendations? I know this is more of a medical issue than just discomfort but surgery isn’t really an option for me and I’d like to find just a modicum of relief and evenness while walking.
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I’ve been debating on getting some orthotic insoles, something to help with leg length discrepancy, but I’m not really sure what the best option would be.
After fracturing my pelvis a few years back, it healed but left me with about a quarter inch of difference in height between my right and left leg.
Anyone have any recommendations? I know this is more of a medical issue than just discomfort but surgery isn’t really an option for me and I’d like to find just a modicum of relief and evenness while walking.
I would definitely recommend a pair of orthotics for a leg length discrepancy. They'll likely come with a small heel lift on one side to offset the difference (3-6mm), oftentimes the lift is affixed to the orthotic but you can also request a removable one.
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Just got back from the podiatrist and figured I'd share. Sorry so long, hopefully some of this info is helpful. Those links are insane.
Was mostly a preventative visit to inquire about insoles and footwear. I've been getting tolerable pain on the transverse arches of my feet but thankfully have no name brand foot ailments. As we age the fat pads on the bottoms of our feet shrink so we have less natural cushioning, which is my situation. I'm 46. And a half.
Doc was younger and a swell guy, said he used to skate. Said that for foot health in skateboarding cupsole shoes with thicker soles are best. You know, like Osiris or DC, and proceeded to pull up some bulky ass mall DC's online. I didn't have the heart to tell him that in 2025 the streets will not wear this. But I get what he's saying.
I brought in my skate and gym shoes for him to scrutinize. He said most shoes come with trash "cardboard" insoles like my Adidas Puigs. Definitely replace insoles like that. He agrees it's nuts companies get away with skimping on this, it's like they didn't finish making the shoe. I showed him some old Foot Print Insoles I had and he was like, oh these are weird, memory foam.... He would not recommend..(Edit: These FPs are 7 years old, so this doesn't account for anything current) My gym shoes, New Balance MXCTRLR1 Fresh Foams, got approved of course. Ewww.
Gave me a handout with preferred shoe companies and recommended insoles currently available on Amazon. They ain't cheap. Also sent me home with some metatarsal pads to help absorb some impact on that part of the foot. Can always explore custom insoles as well. Lists and links at the bottom.
This part was kinda surprising. Apparently we're not supposed to walk around the house barefoot all the time. We evolved to walk on grass, dirt, gravel, etc but not hard, flat surfaces. So just walking around the house really beats up your feet. Recommends sandals or slippers for the house. Said Crocs are horrible.
Be advised this is one person's experience with one doctor so YMMV. Doc said everyone's feet are different and no one's are perfect, listen to your body of course. He was wearing Brooks. If anyone has differing info or additional podiatrist approved brands I'd be stoked to hear about it. Saw Superfeet getting love in here. I'll report back once I try out some insoles.
Footwear Reqs
Shoes should only flex front to back from the toe side, you should not be able to taco the sole.
Shoes should not easily twist torsionally, the sole should be stable.
Shoes should have a firm spine and cup around the heel area
Recommended Shoe Brands
Brooks
Asics
New Balance
Saucony
Oofos - Doc was surprised by this and owns some
Birkenstock - Got honorable mention. He likes them but can't speak to longevity because they are made of cork. If they work for you go for it. Loving my Arizonas, 9 months old and get worn almost everyday.
Links to Insoles
Spenco Max Support - Thicker
https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1)
Powerstep Protech - Slimmer
https://www.amazon.com/Powerstep-Protech-Control-Insoles-6-6-5/dp/B006C6PFI8/ref=sr_1_7?crid=RG3O0PT59ABZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.TXf_gHIqrnFNX7EbK3RT91aKKWFhLqZWBxKMvKVL_6GTphBZOeNGvUz4xbkYqsrS_mXTl-Z43_hYvChB1Jsj-8Kcrmqdl5gVjgB4bGRzLx7qny08aTDLr26gx7J021_3uMdoAdWICKkBReVXffWISBNYvBtJBBRk4IUH0zDt5kQ13KwjP6unpt_dUfnQwRBHAo80AZLAM8zZ5gyuYiTDCe7L4-uz9EvLX4MfEkqGUjTEpU6zx66V1g28qt_i_ddnuKkfd1YKoo-4nzR7lEkVCJYJgBU7s4YT933doBfVL-Q.h5o2aABQlmvh1NPcqpEckKy2Z_6HlWAqCMIabbdjPSE&dib_tag=se&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&qid=1766160830&sprefix=powerstep%2Bprotech%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Powerstep-Protech-Control-Insoles-6-6-5/dp/B006C6PFI8/ref=sr_1_7?crid=RG3O0PT59ABZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.TXf_gHIqrnFNX7EbK3RT91aKKWFhLqZWBxKMvKVL_6GTphBZOeNGvUz4xbkYqsrS_mXTl-Z43_hYvChB1Jsj-8Kcrmqdl5gVjgB4bGRzLx7qny08aTDLr26gx7J021_3uMdoAdWICKkBReVXffWISBNYvBtJBBRk4IUH0zDt5kQ13KwjP6unpt_dUfnQwRBHAo80AZLAM8zZ5gyuYiTDCe7L4-uz9EvLX4MfEkqGUjTEpU6zx66V1g28qt_i_ddnuKkfd1YKoo-4nzR7lEkVCJYJgBU7s4YT933doBfVL-Q.h5o2aABQlmvh1NPcqpEckKy2Z_6HlWAqCMIabbdjPSE&dib_tag=se&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&qid=1766160830&sprefix=powerstep%2Bprotech%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-7&th=1)
Redithotics - Slimmer, maybe on some ho shit
https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1)
Metatarsal Pads
https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1)
Edit: Fixed link to Powerstep insoles and noted FPs shown to doc are a way older model.
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Just got back from the podiatrist and figured I'd share. Sorry so long, hopefully some of this info is helpful. Those links are insane.
Was mostly a preventative visit to inquire about insoles and footwear. I've been getting tolerable pain on the transverse arches of my feet but thankfully have no name brand foot ailments. As we age the fat pads on the bottoms of our feet shrink so we have less natural cushioning, which is my situation. I'm 46. And a half.
Doc was younger and a swell guy, said he used to skate. Said that for foot health in skateboarding cupsole shoes with thicker soles are best. You know, like Osiris or DC, and proceeded to pull up some bulky ass mall DC's online. I didn't have the heart to tell him that in 2025 the streets will not wear this. But I get what he's saying.
I brought in my skate and gym shoes for him to scrutinize. He said most shoes come with trash "cardboard" insoles like my Adidas Puigs. Definitely replace insoles like that. He agrees it's nuts companies get away with skimping on this, it's like they didn't finish making the shoe. I showed him some old Foot Print Insoles I had and he was like, oh these are weird, memory foam.... He would not recommend. My gym shoes, New Balance MXCTRLR1 Fresh Foams, got approved of course. Ewww.
Gave me a handout with preferred shoe companies and recommended insoles currently available on Amazon. They ain't cheap. Also sent me home with some metatarsal pads to help absorb some impact on that part of the foot. Can always explore custom insoles as well. Lists and links at the bottom.
This part was kinda surprising. Apparently we're not supposed to walk around the house barefoot all the time. We evolved to walk on grass, dirt, gravel, etc but not hard, flat surfaces. So just walking around the house really beats up your feet. Recommends sandals or slippers for the house. Said Crocs are horrible.
Be advised this is one person's experience with one doctor so YMMV. Doc said everyone's feet are different and no one's are perfect, listen to your body of course. He was wearing Brooks. If anyone has differing info or additional podiatrist approved brands I'd be stoked to hear about it. Saw Superfeet getting love in here. I'll report back once I try out some insoles.
Footwear Reqs
Shoes should only flex front to back from the toe side, you should not be able to taco the sole.
Shoes should not easily twist torsionally, the sole should be stable.
Shoes should have a firm spine and cup around the heel area
Recommended Shoe Brands
Brooks
Asics
New Balance
Saucony
Oofos - Doc was surprised by this and owns some
Birkenstock - Got honorable mention. He likes them but can't speak to longevity because they are made of cork. If they work for you go for it. Loving my Arizonas, 9 months old and get worn almost everyday.
Links to Insoles
Spenco Max Support - Thicker
https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1)
Powerstep Protech - Slimmer
https://www.amazon.com/PowerStep-Cushioning-Standing-Supports-Metatarsal/dp/B00GWU886A/ref=sxin_23_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?adgrpid=184161483537&content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5%3Aamzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&cv_ct_cx=powerstep%2Bprotech&hvadid=779703006652&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12011254300227944250--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12011254300227944250&hvtargid=kwd-6629312153&hydadcr=20001_13697692_2339046&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&mcid=086b84f8c3bc37108f564f7cf436f195&pd_rd_i=B00GWU886A&pd_rd_r=9cc6ebda-a725-415d-a568-4266fddd3c52&pd_rd_w=LCXO1&pd_rd_wg=lX5fU&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=QJP3MC0EX3V7S9VZHMYM&qid=1766089362&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-2-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=knra3fdIE5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/PowerStep-Cushioning-Standing-Supports-Metatarsal/dp/B00GWU886A/ref=sxin_23_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?adgrpid=184161483537&content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5%3Aamzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&cv_ct_cx=powerstep%2Bprotech&hvadid=779703006652&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12011254300227944250--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12011254300227944250&hvtargid=kwd-6629312153&hydadcr=20001_13697692_2339046&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&mcid=086b84f8c3bc37108f564f7cf436f195&pd_rd_i=B00GWU886A&pd_rd_r=9cc6ebda-a725-415d-a568-4266fddd3c52&pd_rd_w=LCXO1&pd_rd_wg=lX5fU&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=QJP3MC0EX3V7S9VZHMYM&qid=1766089362&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-2-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=knra3fdIE5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1&psc=1)
Redithotics - Slimmer, maybe on some ho shit
https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1)
Metatarsal Pads
https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1)
Sounds like the doctor had some good feedback that I overall agree with. As for FP insoles, I think he just doesn't know what they are because they are not just weird memory foam. For the barefoot thing, also agree that our bare feet are designed for contoured ground but I don't think it's as simple as he says. I know for a fact that barefoot shoes have helped my overall foot health and strength and the key is having some protection and padding from the elements, including flat ground but letting your foot flex as naturally intended.
I used to only wear cupsule, super tech shoes with a bunch of marketing about how great their cushioning or padding is. I'm pretty sure what that did was turn my feet into soft, pampered bitches in a sense, that they were basically frail and easily susceptible to damage and injury. Ever since I switched to more barefoot style footwear, including and especially Vibram Five Fingers, those stupid looking finger sock looking shoes, my feet have become healthier, stronger, and the pain I used to get like you described is gone. All because I'm using the natural flex of the foot and walking/running the way they are designed to. Now, that is for normal activity, including walking, hiking, etc. For high impact activity like skateboarding, I still think you need more support and shock absorption. From my experience with the last several skate shoes I've had, cupsule or vulc doesn't matter as long as you have an insole that provides the right support and shock absorption and of course, a nice fit. My current shoes have a barely few mm of outsole, midsole is literally a piece of fabric to hold it together and I replaced the shit insole with an FP Gamechanger that molds to my foot shape and provides arch support and it works great with no pain from any landing impact.
I'm no doctor so it's just my experience but I think people should do their own research on what makes sense and works for them and don't listen to anyone, including doctors, blindly.
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Just got back from the podiatrist and figured I'd share. Sorry so long, hopefully some of this info is helpful. Those links are insane.
Was mostly a preventative visit to inquire about insoles and footwear. I've been getting tolerable pain on the transverse arches of my feet but thankfully have no name brand foot ailments. As we age the fat pads on the bottoms of our feet shrink so we have less natural cushioning, which is my situation. I'm 46. And a half.
Doc was younger and a swell guy, said he used to skate. Said that for foot health in skateboarding cupsole shoes with thicker soles are best. You know, like Osiris or DC, and proceeded to pull up some bulky ass mall DC's online. I didn't have the heart to tell him that in 2025 the streets will not wear this. But I get what he's saying.
I brought in my skate and gym shoes for him to scrutinize. He said most shoes come with trash "cardboard" insoles like my Adidas Puigs. Definitely replace insoles like that. He agrees it's nuts companies get away with skimping on this, it's like they didn't finish making the shoe. I showed him some old Foot Print Insoles I had and he was like, oh these are weird, memory foam.... He would not recommend. My gym shoes, New Balance MXCTRLR1 Fresh Foams, got approved of course. Ewww.
Gave me a handout with preferred shoe companies and recommended insoles currently available on Amazon. They ain't cheap. Also sent me home with some metatarsal pads to help absorb some impact on that part of the foot. Can always explore custom insoles as well. Lists and links at the bottom.
This part was kinda surprising. Apparently we're not supposed to walk around the house barefoot all the time. We evolved to walk on grass, dirt, gravel, etc but not hard, flat surfaces. So just walking around the house really beats up your feet. Recommends sandals or slippers for the house. Said Crocs are horrible.
Be advised this is one person's experience with one doctor so YMMV. Doc said everyone's feet are different and no one's are perfect, listen to your body of course. He was wearing Brooks. If anyone has differing info or additional podiatrist approved brands I'd be stoked to hear about it. Saw Superfeet getting love in here. I'll report back once I try out some insoles.
Footwear Reqs
Shoes should only flex front to back from the toe side, you should not be able to taco the sole.
Shoes should not easily twist torsionally, the sole should be stable.
Shoes should have a firm spine and cup around the heel area
Recommended Shoe Brands
Brooks
Asics
New Balance
Saucony
Oofos - Doc was surprised by this and owns some
Birkenstock - Got honorable mention. He likes them but can't speak to longevity because they are made of cork. If they work for you go for it. Loving my Arizonas, 9 months old and get worn almost everyday.
Links to Insoles
Spenco Max Support - Thicker
https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1)
Powerstep Protech - Slimmer
https://www.amazon.com/PowerStep-Cushioning-Standing-Supports-Metatarsal/dp/B00GWU886A/ref=sxin_23_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?adgrpid=184161483537&content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5%3Aamzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&cv_ct_cx=powerstep%2Bprotech&hvadid=779703006652&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12011254300227944250--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12011254300227944250&hvtargid=kwd-6629312153&hydadcr=20001_13697692_2339046&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&mcid=086b84f8c3bc37108f564f7cf436f195&pd_rd_i=B00GWU886A&pd_rd_r=9cc6ebda-a725-415d-a568-4266fddd3c52&pd_rd_w=LCXO1&pd_rd_wg=lX5fU&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=QJP3MC0EX3V7S9VZHMYM&qid=1766089362&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-2-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=knra3fdIE5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/PowerStep-Cushioning-Standing-Supports-Metatarsal/dp/B00GWU886A/ref=sxin_23_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?adgrpid=184161483537&content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5%3Aamzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&cv_ct_cx=powerstep%2Bprotech&hvadid=779703006652&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12011254300227944250--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12011254300227944250&hvtargid=kwd-6629312153&hydadcr=20001_13697692_2339046&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&mcid=086b84f8c3bc37108f564f7cf436f195&pd_rd_i=B00GWU886A&pd_rd_r=9cc6ebda-a725-415d-a568-4266fddd3c52&pd_rd_w=LCXO1&pd_rd_wg=lX5fU&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=QJP3MC0EX3V7S9VZHMYM&qid=1766089362&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-2-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=knra3fdIE5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1&psc=1)
Redithotics - Slimmer, maybe on some ho shit
https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1)
Metatarsal Pads
https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1)
Sounds like the doctor had some good feedback that I overall agree with. As for FP insoles, I think he just doesn't know what they are because they are not just weird memory foam. For the barefoot thing, also agree that our bare feet are designed for contoured ground but I don't think it's as simple as he says. I know for a fact that barefoot shoes have helped my overall foot health and strength and the key is having some protection and padding from the elements, including flat ground but letting your foot flex as naturally intended.
I used to only wear cupsule, super tech shoes with a bunch of marketing about how great their cushioning or padding is. I'm pretty sure what that did was turn my feet into soft, pampered bitches in a sense, that they were basically frail and easily susceptible to damage and injury. Ever since I switched to more barefoot style footwear, including and especially Vibram Five Fingers, those stupid looking finger sock looking shoes, my feet have become healthier, stronger, and the pain I used to get like you described is gone. All because I'm using the natural flex of the foot and walking/running the way they are designed to. Now, that is for normal activity, including walking, hiking, etc. For high impact activity like skateboarding, I still think you need more support and shock absorption. From my experience with the last several skate shoes I've had, cupsule or vulc doesn't matter as long as you have an insole that provides the right support and shock absorption and of course, a nice fit. My current shoes have a barely few mm of outsole, midsole is literally a piece of fabric to hold it together and I replaced the shit insole with an FP Gamechanger that molds to my foot shape and provides arch support and it works great with no pain from any landing impact.
I'm no doctor so it's just my experience but I think people should do their own research on what makes sense and works for them and don't listen to anyone, including doctors, blindly.
Say word. Appreciate you weighing in, agreed you gotta find what works for you. Your experience with different styles of shoe working with the right insole gives me hope. Edited the post to note those FPs are not a current production model. I'll still use them to replace some flim flam stock ones.
The barefoot thing is wild. I have a buddy who does 60 mile backpacking trips in Wyoming with 1000s and 1000s of feet of elevations change, often off trail. Switched to barefoot style shoes and said it changed his life. I have friends who work 12+ hour production days swearing by those 5 Finger Vibrams. Gotta dig in on these. But man, the streets.......
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Just got back from the podiatrist and figured I'd share. Sorry so long, hopefully some of this info is helpful. Those links are insane.
Was mostly a preventative visit to inquire about insoles and footwear. I've been getting tolerable pain on the transverse arches of my feet but thankfully have no name brand foot ailments. As we age the fat pads on the bottoms of our feet shrink so we have less natural cushioning, which is my situation. I'm 46. And a half.
Doc was younger and a swell guy, said he used to skate. Said that for foot health in skateboarding cupsole shoes with thicker soles are best. You know, like Osiris or DC, and proceeded to pull up some bulky ass mall DC's online. I didn't have the heart to tell him that in 2025 the streets will not wear this. But I get what he's saying.
I brought in my skate and gym shoes for him to scrutinize. He said most shoes come with trash "cardboard" insoles like my Adidas Puigs. Definitely replace insoles like that. He agrees it's nuts companies get away with skimping on this, it's like they didn't finish making the shoe. I showed him some old Foot Print Insoles I had and he was like, oh these are weird, memory foam.... He would not recommend. My gym shoes, New Balance MXCTRLR1 Fresh Foams, got approved of course. Ewww.
Gave me a handout with preferred shoe companies and recommended insoles currently available on Amazon. They ain't cheap. Also sent me home with some metatarsal pads to help absorb some impact on that part of the foot. Can always explore custom insoles as well. Lists and links at the bottom.
This part was kinda surprising. Apparently we're not supposed to walk around the house barefoot all the time. We evolved to walk on grass, dirt, gravel, etc but not hard, flat surfaces. So just walking around the house really beats up your feet. Recommends sandals or slippers for the house. Said Crocs are horrible.
Be advised this is one person's experience with one doctor so YMMV. Doc said everyone's feet are different and no one's are perfect, listen to your body of course. He was wearing Brooks. If anyone has differing info or additional podiatrist approved brands I'd be stoked to hear about it. Saw Superfeet getting love in here. I'll report back once I try out some insoles.
Footwear Reqs
Shoes should only flex front to back from the toe side, you should not be able to taco the sole.
Shoes should not easily twist torsionally, the sole should be stable.
Shoes should have a firm spine and cup around the heel area
Recommended Shoe Brands
Brooks
Asics
New Balance
Saucony
Oofos - Doc was surprised by this and owns some
Birkenstock - Got honorable mention. He likes them but can't speak to longevity because they are made of cork. If they work for you go for it. Loving my Arizonas, 9 months old and get worn almost everyday.
Links to Insoles
Spenco Max Support - Thicker
https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1)
Powerstep Protech - Slimmer
https://www.amazon.com/PowerStep-Cushioning-Standing-Supports-Metatarsal/dp/B00GWU886A/ref=sxin_23_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?adgrpid=184161483537&content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5%3Aamzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&cv_ct_cx=powerstep%2Bprotech&hvadid=779703006652&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12011254300227944250--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12011254300227944250&hvtargid=kwd-6629312153&hydadcr=20001_13697692_2339046&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&mcid=086b84f8c3bc37108f564f7cf436f195&pd_rd_i=B00GWU886A&pd_rd_r=9cc6ebda-a725-415d-a568-4266fddd3c52&pd_rd_w=LCXO1&pd_rd_wg=lX5fU&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=QJP3MC0EX3V7S9VZHMYM&qid=1766089362&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-2-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=knra3fdIE5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/PowerStep-Cushioning-Standing-Supports-Metatarsal/dp/B00GWU886A/ref=sxin_23_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?adgrpid=184161483537&content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5%3Aamzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&cv_ct_cx=powerstep%2Bprotech&hvadid=779703006652&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12011254300227944250--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12011254300227944250&hvtargid=kwd-6629312153&hydadcr=20001_13697692_2339046&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&mcid=086b84f8c3bc37108f564f7cf436f195&pd_rd_i=B00GWU886A&pd_rd_r=9cc6ebda-a725-415d-a568-4266fddd3c52&pd_rd_w=LCXO1&pd_rd_wg=lX5fU&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=QJP3MC0EX3V7S9VZHMYM&qid=1766089362&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-2-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=knra3fdIE5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1&psc=1)
Redithotics - Slimmer, maybe on some ho shit
https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1)
Metatarsal Pads
https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1)
Sounds like the doctor had some good feedback that I overall agree with. As for FP insoles, I think he just doesn't know what they are because they are not just weird memory foam. For the barefoot thing, also agree that our bare feet are designed for contoured ground but I don't think it's as simple as he says. I know for a fact that barefoot shoes have helped my overall foot health and strength and the key is having some protection and padding from the elements, including flat ground but letting your foot flex as naturally intended.
I used to only wear cupsule, super tech shoes with a bunch of marketing about how great their cushioning or padding is. I'm pretty sure what that did was turn my feet into soft, pampered bitches in a sense, that they were basically frail and easily susceptible to damage and injury. Ever since I switched to more barefoot style footwear, including and especially Vibram Five Fingers, those stupid looking finger sock looking shoes, my feet have become healthier, stronger, and the pain I used to get like you described is gone. All because I'm using the natural flex of the foot and walking/running the way they are designed to. Now, that is for normal activity, including walking, hiking, etc. For high impact activity like skateboarding, I still think you need more support and shock absorption. From my experience with the last several skate shoes I've had, cupsule or vulc doesn't matter as long as you have an insole that provides the right support and shock absorption and of course, a nice fit. My current shoes have a barely few mm of outsole, midsole is literally a piece of fabric to hold it together and I replaced the shit insole with an FP Gamechanger that molds to my foot shape and provides arch support and it works great with no pain from any landing impact.
I'm no doctor so it's just my experience but I think people should do their own research on what makes sense and works for them and don't listen to anyone, including doctors, blindly.
The barefoot thing is wild. I have a buddy who does 60 mile backpacking trips in Wyoming with 1000s and 1000s of feet of elevations change, often off trail. Switched to barefoot style shoes and said it changed his life. I have friends who work 12+ hour production days swearing by those 5 Finger Vibrams. Gotta dig in on these. But man, the streets.......
Yeah, barefoot is the real deal. It just makes complete sense, to me at least and my own experience proves it in my own case. I have a similar story as your friends - my first chance using my Vibrams was on a hiking trip by the Colorado river. I wasn’t sure if I should wear them because I just got them and only really tried them on so I was scared my feet would be tore up. Ended up just going with it and after getting used to feeling all the count outs of the rocks, I really started to get it. So the crazy part is, this was a pretty far hike and much of it was not a nice dirt path, it was mostly climbing and jumping over rocks and a lot of gravel. Plus, I was carrying my kid on my back 95% of the time or more. Actually, the crazier pet on top of it is on the way back, it got dark quick and became pitch black so we got lost since there wasn’t really a clear trail and could only walk towards what we thought was the right direction. Everyone else was dying, with their feet in pain and they were all wearing hiking boots. Some of them thought I was crazy when I first decided to wear them Vibrams but even though I was tired as shit, I was able to troop on and i know a big part of that was the shoes. No idea how, but we eventually made it back taking a completely different path than we went but ever since then, I make it a point to wear barefoot or minimalist style shoes as often as possible and like I said before, my feet have never felt healthier and pains I used to have are gone. I’ve been keeping an eye out for barefoot style skate shoes and as soon as there are options I like, I’ll definitely be trying them.
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I usually backpack in Altras
Zero drop, lightweight, and a wide toe box, but a foam under there.
Use them with the SOLE Active Thin footbeds with the met pad. Any other footbeds I've tried have broken down and fallen apart. Probably because I don't take my shoes off for stream crossings I just keep walking right through and onward
Bedrocks are more sustainable because they're more durable but I feel a lot safer in enclosed shoes and feel like I can move faster.
I agree with what was said about your feet getting soft from wearing squishy shoes all the time
I have a buddy who only hiked in leather hiking boots and wore them around everywhere too, and I've seen him roll his ankle a few times. He hikes with two Velcro ankle braces and his boots now
I like the feedback of a shoe without any forefoot midsole for skating, think most vulcs. My preferred shoe is the Jordan 1 cause it's pretty wide, and only has a midsole in the back. So they do have some drop. I find with heel bruises and stuff that some heel-toe drop in skate shoes is a necessary evil, but I try to keep it to a minimum. I feel like I would like iPath Cats/Grasshoppers though, cause I used to really like eS Accels, and they seem widish and have some midsole foam under the forefoot iirc. Like a new balance 480 or something. If I can get used to having more foam under my toes, I might eventually start skating those just for more protection and less heel-toe drop.
I tried the FP kingfoam flat insoles and I think I'm gonna keep using them for the foreseeable future. I have a high arch and don't need the support so much as I want impact protection
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Yeah, I think one key thing is the drop. When you are doing standard activities like walking, running, hiking, the barefoot shoes give you a natural stride and use the foot flex the way it was designed, toes support and flex down to heel, instead of emphasizing heel strikes like other shoes do. I think that’s the primary cause of injury is those padded shoes making you strike heel first all the time. It doesn’t let your feet or legs to act as shock absorbers that they were meant to be.
In skateboarding, I think we are naturally more on our toes, popping, pushing and landing so we are already using more of our anatomic ability. But we are also in a lot of more high impact situations so that’s why the extra cushion is important. But all the same concepts apply so if you have a barefoot/minimalist style shoe that lets your foot flex with an added layer of impact protection, that should be ideal. You don’t need too much, the few mm of FP insole I use is more adequate at absorbing impact with pretty much nothing else than shoes with all kinds of other supposed impact tech and layers built in.
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Something I really enjoy about IPath & a chunk of Soletech shoes is how there's minimal heel-toe drop in most models. They're ideal for swapping in a preferred insole for comfort & support. Minimal change to the angle for how your foot sits inside the shoe. That means better foot health and performance, I reckon.
Adidas are notorious for this angular drop/arch lump in their soles. NB# has some models with this, as well. Vans popcush kinda does this. Asics doesn't feel like it's there, or if it is, it's not egregious (i have a Japan Pro MT i wanna skate and I don't notice it)
I like a padded shoe. They're comfortable and feel supportive. However, i know I like control and board feel/response up to a certain point. I've never tried FP insoles, but I am curious to branch out into aftermarket insoles more seriously to optimize the shoes I usually skate (dunks, accels, maranas, OG-1, grasshopper, hopefully Japan pros if I like them, etc.)
Superfeet are top of my list to check out!
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https://powerstep.com/products/bridge-insoles?tw_source=google&tw_adid=&tw_campaign=21720306128&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21713905188&gbraid=0AAAAADl7qQQk8WZ9_VuLu78G8VZ1xcAS5&gclid=Cj0KCQiAr5nKBhCpARIsACa_NiOvz2sLmiQ0vC8ThCPsfIr9CFYap450nkril-mpnU2U4i43arld8CMaAsn4EALw_wcB
For any of my high arched PALS out there that are looking for an insole with an arch bridge that doesn't stab into your foot. The foam on these is an ETPU so fairly similar to Adidas boost although I will say these aren't nearly as bouncy as boost. The arch support on these are semi-flexible which makes it a lot more comfortable than the hard shell supports that are out there. I've been skating in the these for the last four months and they have held up great. The thing I like the most beyond comfort and support is there isn't a giant heel to toe drop which makes these good for fitting in a variety of shoes. I found out about these through the youtuber Foot Doctor Zach, he does a similar breakdown on shoes like the Rose Anvil guys but focuses on basketball, running and tennis shoes if you're into that sort of gear nerdery.
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Just got back from the podiatrist and figured I'd share. Sorry so long, hopefully some of this info is helpful. Those links are insane.
Was mostly a preventative visit to inquire about insoles and footwear. I've been getting tolerable pain on the transverse arches of my feet but thankfully have no name brand foot ailments. As we age the fat pads on the bottoms of our feet shrink so we have less natural cushioning, which is my situation. I'm 46. And a half.
Doc was younger and a swell guy, said he used to skate. Said that for foot health in skateboarding cupsole shoes with thicker soles are best. You know, like Osiris or DC, and proceeded to pull up some bulky ass mall DC's online. I didn't have the heart to tell him that in 2025 the streets will not wear this. But I get what he's saying.
I brought in my skate and gym shoes for him to scrutinize. He said most shoes come with trash "cardboard" insoles like my Adidas Puigs. Definitely replace insoles like that. He agrees it's nuts companies get away with skimping on this, it's like they didn't finish making the shoe. I showed him some old Foot Print Insoles I had and he was like, oh these are weird, memory foam.... He would not recommend..(Edit: These FPs are 7 years old, so this doesn't account for anything current) My gym shoes, New Balance MXCTRLR1 Fresh Foams, got approved of course. Ewww.
Gave me a handout with preferred shoe companies and recommended insoles currently available on Amazon. They ain't cheap. Also sent me home with some metatarsal pads to help absorb some impact on that part of the foot. Can always explore custom insoles as well. Lists and links at the bottom.
This part was kinda surprising. Apparently we're not supposed to walk around the house barefoot all the time. We evolved to walk on grass, dirt, gravel, etc but not hard, flat surfaces. So just walking around the house really beats up your feet. Recommends sandals or slippers for the house. Said Crocs are horrible.
Be advised this is one person's experience with one doctor so YMMV. Doc said everyone's feet are different and no one's are perfect, listen to your body of course. He was wearing Brooks. If anyone has differing info or additional podiatrist approved brands I'd be stoked to hear about it. Saw Superfeet getting love in here. I'll report back once I try out some insoles.
Footwear Reqs
Shoes should only flex front to back from the toe side, you should not be able to taco the sole.
Shoes should not easily twist torsionally, the sole should be stable.
Shoes should have a firm spine and cup around the heel area
Recommended Shoe Brands
Brooks
Asics
New Balance
Saucony
Oofos - Doc was surprised by this and owns some
Birkenstock - Got honorable mention. He likes them but can't speak to longevity because they are made of cork. If they work for you go for it. Loving my Arizonas, 9 months old and get worn almost everyday.
Links to Insoles
Spenco Max Support - Thicker
https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1)
Powerstep Protech - Slimmer
https://www.amazon.com/Powerstep-Protech-Control-Insoles-6-6-5/dp/B006C6PFI8/ref=sr_1_7?crid=RG3O0PT59ABZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.TXf_gHIqrnFNX7EbK3RT91aKKWFhLqZWBxKMvKVL_6GTphBZOeNGvUz4xbkYqsrS_mXTl-Z43_hYvChB1Jsj-8Kcrmqdl5gVjgB4bGRzLx7qny08aTDLr26gx7J021_3uMdoAdWICKkBReVXffWISBNYvBtJBBRk4IUH0zDt5kQ13KwjP6unpt_dUfnQwRBHAo80AZLAM8zZ5gyuYiTDCe7L4-uz9EvLX4MfEkqGUjTEpU6zx66V1g28qt_i_ddnuKkfd1YKoo-4nzR7lEkVCJYJgBU7s4YT933doBfVL-Q.h5o2aABQlmvh1NPcqpEckKy2Z_6HlWAqCMIabbdjPSE&dib_tag=se&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&qid=1766160830&sprefix=powerstep%2Bprotech%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Powerstep-Protech-Control-Insoles-6-6-5/dp/B006C6PFI8/ref=sr_1_7?crid=RG3O0PT59ABZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.TXf_gHIqrnFNX7EbK3RT91aKKWFhLqZWBxKMvKVL_6GTphBZOeNGvUz4xbkYqsrS_mXTl-Z43_hYvChB1Jsj-8Kcrmqdl5gVjgB4bGRzLx7qny08aTDLr26gx7J021_3uMdoAdWICKkBReVXffWISBNYvBtJBBRk4IUH0zDt5kQ13KwjP6unpt_dUfnQwRBHAo80AZLAM8zZ5gyuYiTDCe7L4-uz9EvLX4MfEkqGUjTEpU6zx66V1g28qt_i_ddnuKkfd1YKoo-4nzR7lEkVCJYJgBU7s4YT933doBfVL-Q.h5o2aABQlmvh1NPcqpEckKy2Z_6HlWAqCMIabbdjPSE&dib_tag=se&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&qid=1766160830&sprefix=powerstep%2Bprotech%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-7&th=1)
Redithotics - Slimmer, maybe on some ho shit
https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1)
Metatarsal Pads
https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1)
Edit: Fixed link to Powerstep insoles and noted FPs shown to doc are a way older model.
did he have anything to say about hoka?
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I usually backpack in Altras
Zero drop, lightweight, and a wide toe box, but a foam under there.
Use them with the SOLE Active Thin footbeds with the met pad. Any other footbeds I've tried have broken down and fallen apart. Probably because I don't take my shoes off for stream crossings I just keep walking right through and onward
Bedrocks are more sustainable because they're more durable but I feel a lot safer in enclosed shoes and feel like I can move faster.
I agree with what was said about your feet getting soft from wearing squishy shoes all the time
I have a buddy who only hiked in leather hiking boots and wore them around everywhere too, and I've seen him roll his ankle a few times. He hikes with two Velcro ankle braces and his boots now
I like the feedback of a shoe without any forefoot midsole for skating, think most vulcs. My preferred shoe is the Jordan 1 cause it's pretty wide, and only has a midsole in the back. So they do have some drop. I find with heel bruises and stuff that some heel-toe drop in skate shoes is a necessary evil, but I try to keep it to a minimum. I feel like I would like iPath Cats/Grasshoppers though, cause I used to really like eS Accels, and they seem widish and have some midsole foam under the forefoot iirc. Like a new balance 480 or something. If I can get used to having more foam under my toes, I might eventually start skating those just for more protection and less heel-toe drop.
I tried the FP kingfoam flat insoles and I think I'm gonna keep using them for the foreseeable future. I have a high arch and don't need the support so much as I want impact protection
I love Altras & i just got my 1st pair of Lems. So far I’m really digging them. After wearing altras I can’t wear some of my older narrower shoes anymore so they work. I had pair of the SOLEs and need to get some new ones
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I usually backpack in Altras
Zero drop, lightweight, and a wide toe box, but a foam under there.
Use them with the SOLE Active Thin footbeds with the met pad. Any other footbeds I've tried have broken down and fallen apart. Probably because I don't take my shoes off for stream crossings I just keep walking right through and onward
Bedrocks are more sustainable because they're more durable but I feel a lot safer in enclosed shoes and feel like I can move faster.
I agree with what was said about your feet getting soft from wearing squishy shoes all the time
I have a buddy who only hiked in leather hiking boots and wore them around everywhere too, and I've seen him roll his ankle a few times. He hikes with two Velcro ankle braces and his boots now
I like the feedback of a shoe without any forefoot midsole for skating, think most vulcs. My preferred shoe is the Jordan 1 cause it's pretty wide, and only has a midsole in the back. So they do have some drop. I find with heel bruises and stuff that some heel-toe drop in skate shoes is a necessary evil, but I try to keep it to a minimum. I feel like I would like iPath Cats/Grasshoppers though, cause I used to really like eS Accels, and they seem widish and have some midsole foam under the forefoot iirc. Like a new balance 480 or something. If I can get used to having more foam under my toes, I might eventually start skating those just for more protection and less heel-toe drop.
I tried the FP kingfoam flat insoles and I think I'm gonna keep using them for the foreseeable future. I have a high arch and don't need the support so much as I want impact protection
That’s interesting you say some Soletech shoes have minimalist characteristics. I’m riding Walmart Etnies right now and they have barely 3 mm of outsole and midsole is basically nonexistent. I ride with my FP Gamechangers and thy are great without the insoles, they are quite bad since the stock are some odd shape cardboard like junk like that doctor described. I wanted MC Rap Mids but they were becoming a pain to find and that’s when I saw the Walmart version fp $20 and went for those.
I also just got NB 480 highs but haven’t skated them yet but you’re sting those are similar? That’s great if so.
As for insoles, you mention the arch support and that’s another big thing from wearing barefoot shoes. I used to always want a lot of arch support but now, my arches have actually got higher and stronger from wearing barefoot shoes and it no longer matters as much. I still use my FP Gamechangers since they are molded perfectly to my feet but I’ve found no decrease in performance or issues when I use my completely flat Kingfoam inserts.
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Just saying the NB 480s have a full length midsole and don't seem to have a lot of drop. I think the iPaths are like this too. And dunk Pro Bs
Yeah I like high arch support in like, ski boots, cycling shoes, other stuff, cause it keeps my foot locked in and raises it up to make it a little shorter in length allowing me to wear a smaller size boot.. trying to minimize movement/play. I can get the toe of a ski boot punched out for my wide foot, can't exactly do that in a skate shoe.
I just try to find a wider skate shoe without too much drop, and throw an flat FP insole in there and it's all good. The Elite High kingfoams work good in blazers, cause the body heat doesn't soften the heel up as much cause it's thick and there's a slab of gel on top, so the properties actually work for heel impact. When I'm using a 5mm flat FP, after my feet warm them up, all the benefits kind of go out the window. There's videos of people doing the tests with an fp they *just* took out of the shoe they were wearing and none of the tests work anymore. But I tested the elite Hi/blazer combo and it works super good still for heel impact. Blazers are a little narrow but it's bearable a half size up once they break in, and I like the look of them
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Just got back from the podiatrist and figured I'd share. Sorry so long, hopefully some of this info is helpful. Those links are insane.
Was mostly a preventative visit to inquire about insoles and footwear. I've been getting tolerable pain on the transverse arches of my feet but thankfully have no name brand foot ailments. As we age the fat pads on the bottoms of our feet shrink so we have less natural cushioning, which is my situation. I'm 46. And a half.
Doc was younger and a swell guy, said he used to skate. Said that for foot health in skateboarding cupsole shoes with thicker soles are best. You know, like Osiris or DC, and proceeded to pull up some bulky ass mall DC's online. I didn't have the heart to tell him that in 2025 the streets will not wear this. But I get what he's saying.
I brought in my skate and gym shoes for him to scrutinize. He said most shoes come with trash "cardboard" insoles like my Adidas Puigs. Definitely replace insoles like that. He agrees it's nuts companies get away with skimping on this, it's like they didn't finish making the shoe. I showed him some old Foot Print Insoles I had and he was like, oh these are weird, memory foam.... He would not recommend. My gym shoes, New Balance MXCTRLR1 Fresh Foams, got approved of course. Ewww.
Gave me a handout with preferred shoe companies and recommended insoles currently available on Amazon. They ain't cheap. Also sent me home with some metatarsal pads to help absorb some impact on that part of the foot. Can always explore custom insoles as well. Lists and links at the bottom.
This part was kinda surprising. Apparently we're not supposed to walk around the house barefoot all the time. We evolved to walk on grass, dirt, gravel, etc but not hard, flat surfaces. So just walking around the house really beats up your feet. Recommends sandals or slippers for the house. Said Crocs are horrible.
Be advised this is one person's experience with one doctor so YMMV. Doc said everyone's feet are different and no one's are perfect, listen to your body of course. He was wearing Brooks. If anyone has differing info or additional podiatrist approved brands I'd be stoked to hear about it. Saw Superfeet getting love in here. I'll report back once I try out some insoles.
Footwear Reqs
Shoes should only flex front to back from the toe side, you should not be able to taco the sole.
Shoes should not easily twist torsionally, the sole should be stable.
Shoes should have a firm spine and cup around the heel area
Recommended Shoe Brands
Brooks
Asics
New Balance
Saucony
Oofos - Doc was surprised by this and owns some
Birkenstock - Got honorable mention. He likes them but can't speak to longevity because they are made of cork. If they work for you go for it. Loving my Arizonas, 9 months old and get worn almost everyday.
Links to Insoles
Spenco Max Support - Thicker
https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1)
Powerstep Protech - Slimmer
https://www.amazon.com/PowerStep-Cushioning-Standing-Supports-Metatarsal/dp/B00GWU886A/ref=sxin_23_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?adgrpid=184161483537&content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5%3Aamzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&cv_ct_cx=powerstep%2Bprotech&hvadid=779703006652&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12011254300227944250--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12011254300227944250&hvtargid=kwd-6629312153&hydadcr=20001_13697692_2339046&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&mcid=086b84f8c3bc37108f564f7cf436f195&pd_rd_i=B00GWU886A&pd_rd_r=9cc6ebda-a725-415d-a568-4266fddd3c52&pd_rd_w=LCXO1&pd_rd_wg=lX5fU&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=QJP3MC0EX3V7S9VZHMYM&qid=1766089362&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-2-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=knra3fdIE5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/PowerStep-Cushioning-Standing-Supports-Metatarsal/dp/B00GWU886A/ref=sxin_23_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?adgrpid=184161483537&content-id=amzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5%3Aamzn1.sym.ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&cv_ct_cx=powerstep%2Bprotech&hvadid=779703006652&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12011254300227944250--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12011254300227944250&hvtargid=kwd-6629312153&hydadcr=20001_13697692_2339046&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&mcid=086b84f8c3bc37108f564f7cf436f195&pd_rd_i=B00GWU886A&pd_rd_r=9cc6ebda-a725-415d-a568-4266fddd3c52&pd_rd_w=LCXO1&pd_rd_wg=lX5fU&pf_rd_p=ba55dbba-ad36-4ff5-87ba-ee4a4f384cb5&pf_rd_r=QJP3MC0EX3V7S9VZHMYM&qid=1766089362&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-2-e169343e-09af-4d41-85b1-8335fe8f32d0-spons&aref=knra3fdIE5&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1&psc=1)
Redithotics - Slimmer, maybe on some ho shit
https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1)
Metatarsal Pads
https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1)
Sounds like the doctor had some good feedback that I overall agree with. As for FP insoles, I think he just doesn't know what they are because they are not just weird memory foam. For the barefoot thing, also agree that our bare feet are designed for contoured ground but I don't think it's as simple as he says. I know for a fact that barefoot shoes have helped my overall foot health and strength and the key is having some protection and padding from the elements, including flat ground but letting your foot flex as naturally intended.
I used to only wear cupsule, super tech shoes with a bunch of marketing about how great their cushioning or padding is. I'm pretty sure what that did was turn my feet into soft, pampered bitches in a sense, that they were basically frail and easily susceptible to damage and injury. Ever since I switched to more barefoot style footwear, including and especially Vibram Five Fingers, those stupid looking finger sock looking shoes, my feet have become healthier, stronger, and the pain I used to get like you described is gone. All because I'm using the natural flex of the foot and walking/running the way they are designed to. Now, that is for normal activity, including walking, hiking, etc. For high impact activity like skateboarding, I still think you need more support and shock absorption. From my experience with the last several skate shoes I've had, cupsule or vulc doesn't matter as long as you have an insole that provides the right support and shock absorption and of course, a nice fit. My current shoes have a barely few mm of outsole, midsole is literally a piece of fabric to hold it together and I replaced the shit insole with an FP Gamechanger that molds to my foot shape and provides arch support and it works great with no pain from any landing impact.
I'm no doctor so it's just my experience but I think people should do their own research on what makes sense and works for them and don't listen to anyone, including doctors, blindly.
The barefoot thing is wild. I have a buddy who does 60 mile backpacking trips in Wyoming with 1000s and 1000s of feet of elevations change, often off trail. Switched to barefoot style shoes and said it changed his life. I have friends who work 12+ hour production days swearing by those 5 Finger Vibrams. Gotta dig in on these. But man, the streets.......
A lot of solid real world results with these barefoots, thanks for taking the time! I'm sold on giving these a shot.
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Just got back from the podiatrist and figured I'd share. Sorry so long, hopefully some of this info is helpful. Those links are insane.
Was mostly a preventative visit to inquire about insoles and footwear. I've been getting tolerable pain on the transverse arches of my feet but thankfully have no name brand foot ailments. As we age the fat pads on the bottoms of our feet shrink so we have less natural cushioning, which is my situation. I'm 46. And a half.
Doc was younger and a swell guy, said he used to skate. Said that for foot health in skateboarding cupsole shoes with thicker soles are best. You know, like Osiris or DC, and proceeded to pull up some bulky ass mall DC's online. I didn't have the heart to tell him that in 2025 the streets will not wear this. But I get what he's saying.
I brought in my skate and gym shoes for him to scrutinize. He said most shoes come with trash "cardboard" insoles like my Adidas Puigs. Definitely replace insoles like that. He agrees it's nuts companies get away with skimping on this, it's like they didn't finish making the shoe. I showed him some old Foot Print Insoles I had and he was like, oh these are weird, memory foam.... He would not recommend..(Edit: These FPs are 7 years old, so this doesn't account for anything current) My gym shoes, New Balance MXCTRLR1 Fresh Foams, got approved of course. Ewww.
Gave me a handout with preferred shoe companies and recommended insoles currently available on Amazon. They ain't cheap. Also sent me home with some metatarsal pads to help absorb some impact on that part of the foot. Can always explore custom insoles as well. Lists and links at the bottom.
This part was kinda surprising. Apparently we're not supposed to walk around the house barefoot all the time. We evolved to walk on grass, dirt, gravel, etc but not hard, flat surfaces. So just walking around the house really beats up your feet. Recommends sandals or slippers for the house. Said Crocs are horrible.
Be advised this is one person's experience with one doctor so YMMV. Doc said everyone's feet are different and no one's are perfect, listen to your body of course. He was wearing Brooks. If anyone has differing info or additional podiatrist approved brands I'd be stoked to hear about it. Saw Superfeet getting love in here. I'll report back once I try out some insoles.
Footwear Reqs
Shoes should only flex front to back from the toe side, you should not be able to taco the sole.
Shoes should not easily twist torsionally, the sole should be stable.
Shoes should have a firm spine and cup around the heel area
Recommended Shoe Brands
Brooks
Asics
New Balance
Saucony
Oofos - Doc was surprised by this and owns some
Birkenstock - Got honorable mention. He likes them but can't speak to longevity because they are made of cork. If they work for you go for it. Loving my Arizonas, 9 months old and get worn almost everyday.
Links to Insoles
Spenco Max Support - Thicker
https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spenco-Support-Insoles-11-12-5-10-11-5/dp/B008CJNTI6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=150V9U3MP1PX6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5LBvKz4IViKAI_h8u8w7wIBi77TRJCdGXMAqdAnON0ls1e8CjBkB4MTXlla_6kC7WCRh0_wWPTcDdFlRsQ_lu_WkXkUXe-k5NwYVncHqvPverhorCa2pmDMXy6VYa43CRyjJY7lvVUJTaOSGIVueAJpJchJ3C08xXRBaRCEYkg5FrKGBm3LwtSZ8epSltOV2Oyo5Rq2br79-Ds2T3KHcNC7DYSmrfmyNi5TooWDno0F8CsqgW8mFhD_KROBVwtT4NNCpWrjWlzP8K9rtZND8O7NXi7kWcd3xGz-A8chV12E.EAx0WBqf3wCmp2HziABIDKnSDmoblL46GwadJIv4-FI&dib_tag=se&keywords=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsupport&qid=1766090036&sprefix=spenco%2Bmax%2Bsuppor%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-1&th=1)
Powerstep Protech - Slimmer
https://www.amazon.com/Powerstep-Protech-Control-Insoles-6-6-5/dp/B006C6PFI8/ref=sr_1_7?crid=RG3O0PT59ABZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.TXf_gHIqrnFNX7EbK3RT91aKKWFhLqZWBxKMvKVL_6GTphBZOeNGvUz4xbkYqsrS_mXTl-Z43_hYvChB1Jsj-8Kcrmqdl5gVjgB4bGRzLx7qny08aTDLr26gx7J021_3uMdoAdWICKkBReVXffWISBNYvBtJBBRk4IUH0zDt5kQ13KwjP6unpt_dUfnQwRBHAo80AZLAM8zZ5gyuYiTDCe7L4-uz9EvLX4MfEkqGUjTEpU6zx66V1g28qt_i_ddnuKkfd1YKoo-4nzR7lEkVCJYJgBU7s4YT933doBfVL-Q.h5o2aABQlmvh1NPcqpEckKy2Z_6HlWAqCMIabbdjPSE&dib_tag=se&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&qid=1766160830&sprefix=powerstep%2Bprotech%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Powerstep-Protech-Control-Insoles-6-6-5/dp/B006C6PFI8/ref=sr_1_7?crid=RG3O0PT59ABZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.TXf_gHIqrnFNX7EbK3RT91aKKWFhLqZWBxKMvKVL_6GTphBZOeNGvUz4xbkYqsrS_mXTl-Z43_hYvChB1Jsj-8Kcrmqdl5gVjgB4bGRzLx7qny08aTDLr26gx7J021_3uMdoAdWICKkBReVXffWISBNYvBtJBBRk4IUH0zDt5kQ13KwjP6unpt_dUfnQwRBHAo80AZLAM8zZ5gyuYiTDCe7L4-uz9EvLX4MfEkqGUjTEpU6zx66V1g28qt_i_ddnuKkfd1YKoo-4nzR7lEkVCJYJgBU7s4YT933doBfVL-Q.h5o2aABQlmvh1NPcqpEckKy2Z_6HlWAqCMIabbdjPSE&dib_tag=se&keywords=powerstep%2Bprotech&qid=1766160830&sprefix=powerstep%2Bprotech%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-7&th=1)
Redithotics - Slimmer, maybe on some ho shit
https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Redi-Thotics-Flex-Orthotic-Insoles-Size/dp/B002OQWMRW/ref=sr_1_6?crid=SXDM0DX7E4GT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4yRVBASeoYhuv1GamaQULzbPHVsF16dZ-ECYqcdJysOcW5naGLOjmRRLMqRlywRKE6ON0516E_GZi-t1HuaeAdHoOc9CN8vo3uihs9JOWhkxGImIkjg_I-wcrf8RyAB39ZT1Vgsl3rCAydBxkiXcHBLb-jbECj0CUPeOwD5D9MXUgGKEtj2xSNMza8s6RRihVBwObk4GhLE_K3igiJR2yjeHR8TucRAjgQTIEgPacUS1TYW30eNgSAgl4nA6RP3h719vDednDL_BlC8SgliF_lmedV5gmSoFtZNLEnD5pq4.mqGNsjiK1ZuIrMIYU0W_MF353ambbiRwFGjOX7N7V04&dib_tag=se&keywords=redithotics&qid=1766089799&sprefix=redithotics%2Caps%2C388&sr=8-6&th=1&psc=1)
Metatarsal Pads
https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Metatarsal-Cushions-Metatarsalgia-Forefoot-Support/dp/B0DKVB1GHF/ref=sr_1_7?adgrpid=187997797124&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iW8LruRnBkeXX649LYcHOYz1j9M9eRfxqvC0gDlg-QnocdTu1ygiouI9y5wM0XefgORdEyfmgaUxmKfIuSXtuujp0t01VgYE7rfQNUQohh-QeU1YChb4anCotzwZE-iI2DpI2hQdJqBdCxCkqlbVbphSGJdZKqf254g6_fz9fWynqY9GEnwsb58Qy8e5-EEducDWedC9iGHfkMI-ftc5qkugWw2Iwqw3WLyNrWYK3HqNj-EH_M1u1T44n5YcUbBh2quI_ouqj4m2pNkbCvujc3AKzAlhfVSukhfszIS5XNw.23yvSvco5sY6UnZnKXAYeiZnAnrf64gB1DXzyWazgJ8&dib_tag=se&hvadid=779546870598&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9021704&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2781458850721114757--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2781458850721114757&hvtargid=kwd-318648208467&hydadcr=7471_13294108_2063941&keywords=metatarsal%2Bpads%2Bamazon&mcid=8dd68a8eec003b09a483bd7035775942&qid=1766089558&sr=8-7&th=1)
Edit: Fixed link to Powerstep insoles and noted FPs shown to doc are a way older model.
did he have anything to say about hoka?
Just saw this. He didn't and I didn't ask. I went in so focused on skate shoes and insoles that I completely forgot to ask about other trainers and hiking boots. I was surprised Hoka and On weren't on his list, you see them everywhere.
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Found these FP orthotic dupes while scrolling on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/DRVDG5dEpN7/
“Hype insoles” 🌽🌽
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After each of the three 4-hour sessions, I can confidently say I'm less sore skating my first pair of Superfeet insoles. This is compared to a couple different styles of Footprint, which I've skated for years and can also confidently say I won't buy again. Superfeet is an upgrade. Hope the durability is there. If not I'll try some of the other brands in this thread but na, done with FP.
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After each of the three 4-hour sessions, I can confidently say I'm less sore skating my first pair of Superfeet insoles. This is compared to a couple different styles of Footprint, which I've skated for years and can also confidently say I won't buy again. Superfeet is an upgrade. Hope the durability is there. If not I'll try some of the other brands in this thread but na, done with FP.
Did you get these?
https://www.superfeet.com/products/all-purpose-high-impact-support
How is the vibration reduction? That’s what I’m most interested in.
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Found these FP orthotic dupes while scrolling on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/DRVDG5dEpN7/
“Hype insoles” 🌽🌽
they’re actually remind dupes?!?
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS3psxwjLqV/
FP is going to have a field day when they find out about this
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After each of the three 4-hour sessions, I can confidently say I'm less sore skating my first pair of Superfeet insoles. This is compared to a couple different styles of Footprint, which I've skated for years and can also confidently say I won't buy again. Superfeet is an upgrade. Hope the durability is there. If not I'll try some of the other brands in this thread but na, done with FP.
Did you get these?
https://www.superfeet.com/products/all-purpose-high-impact-support
How is the vibration reduction? That’s what I’m most interested in.
No mine are the run cushion low arch. Anything over a small lump of arch support will give me pain, I need a mostly flat insole. As an example if you've worn the original Tyshawn shoe, that worked well for me but the remastered one they added arch support and I couldn't wear the new version comfortably until it was worn down.
Vibration reduction during impact? Or just riding?
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After each of the three 4-hour sessions, I can confidently say I'm less sore skating my first pair of Superfeet insoles. This is compared to a couple different styles of Footprint, which I've skated for years and can also confidently say I won't buy again. Superfeet is an upgrade. Hope the durability is there. If not I'll try some of the other brands in this thread but na, done with FP.
Did you get these?
https://www.superfeet.com/products/all-purpose-high-impact-support
How is the vibration reduction? That’s what I’m most interested in.
Vibration reduction during impact? Or just riding?
Impact mostly, but also likely riding on anything but smooth butter skatepark concrete.
My issue is that vibrations of all kinds will make my back sore at the end of the session. And just the normal FP’s really cut it out (almost completely).
If the superfeet offer proper support for joint alignment stuff and can provide the vibration/impact reduction… then I may try. There’s a lot of fans in here.
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After each of the three 4-hour sessions, I can confidently say I'm less sore skating my first pair of Superfeet insoles. This is compared to a couple different styles of Footprint, which I've skated for years and can also confidently say I won't buy again. Superfeet is an upgrade. Hope the durability is there. If not I'll try some of the other brands in this thread but na, done with FP.
Did you get these?
https://www.superfeet.com/products/all-purpose-high-impact-support
How is the vibration reduction? That’s what I’m most interested in.
Vibration reduction during impact? Or just riding?
Impact mostly, but also likely riding on anything but smooth butter skatepark concrete.
My issue is that vibrations of all kinds will make my back sore at the end of the session. And just the normal FP’s really cut it out (almost completely).
If the superfeet offer proper support for joint alignment stuff and can provide the vibration/impact reduction… then I may try. There’s a lot of fans in here.
I've only skated a super smooth indoor with them so far so I can't offer much. Some of the repeat Superfeeters in here can probably help more. But I'll report back at intervals re impact protection, soreness, and durability.
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It's been awhile but I skated Fp gamechangers for a few pairs before going to Superfeet run cushion med. I don't really skate high impact stuff but I remember the fp being damper however I prefer the support and proper alignment that Superfeet provides. The biggest difference I noticed is my knees hurt less after a session with Superfeet. The run cushion worked well for me and in a cupsole I felt there was enough impact protection. I did not like the run support or winter support as the stiffer arch actually caused more pain
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I'm browsing the Superfeet website and figured I'd also pick some of you Superfeet enjoyers' brains about them if you don't mind.
If I wanted an insole that was closer to the squishy, but dense/firm feeling of etnies/emerica's STI/G6 PU & Proper/State's PU foam compound, which one should I consider? I can't stand Vans' popcush feel anymore btw
I took the quiz and it gave me: All Purpose Support (Medium Arch) I'm also looking at the All Purpose Cushion (not just bc of price) since many of the insoles they offer have that plastic cup/plate to stabilize your foot.
EDIT: I prefer cupsoles and with removable insoles (substantial or thin ortholite) for the most part
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Those State insoles were good
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I'm browsing the Superfeet website and figured I'd also pick some of you Superfeet enjoyers' brains about them if you don't mind.
If I wanted an insole that was closer to the squishy, but dense/firm feeling of etnies/emerica's STI/G6 PU & Proper/State's PU foam compound, which one should I consider? I can't stand Vans' popcush feel anymore btw
I took the quiz and it gave me: All Purpose Support (Medium Arch) I'm also looking at the All Purpose Cushion (not just bc of price) since many of the insoles they offer have that plastic cup/plate to stabilize your foot.
EDIT: I prefer cupsoles and with removable insoles (substantial or thin ortholite) for the most part
I have the All Purpose Support and they aren't like the PU foam at all. They're very stiff and I imagine they wouldn't do much for impact protection of cushioning. I use them for when I'm not skating and they're great for that, but I wouldn't recommend them for skating. They might be okay in a shoe where the midsole is doing most of the work, but I haven't tried that so I can't say for sure. I also have the all purpose cushion which isn't the PU feeling foam that Etnies has but is definitely a better choice for skating than the All Purpose Support.
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I'm browsing the Superfeet website and figured I'd also pick some of you Superfeet enjoyers' brains about them if you don't mind.
If I wanted an insole that was closer to the squishy, but dense/firm feeling of etnies/emerica's STI/G6 PU & Proper/State's PU foam compound, which one should I consider? I can't stand Vans' popcush feel anymore btw
I took the quiz and it gave me: All Purpose Support (Medium Arch) I'm also looking at the All Purpose Cushion (not just bc of price) since many of the insoles they offer have that plastic cup/plate to stabilize your foot.
EDIT: I prefer cupsoles and with removable insoles (substantial or thin ortholite) for the most part
Thanks for the feedback! That's close to what I was guessing based on what I read/understood about those two insole types so far. Even better to know that they're better for non-skate activities: walking/chilling. I don't particularly like super firm insoles as they seem to fatigue my feet rather than support them.
@Sila I still have a few pairs of those insoles I'm stretching across shoes! They were a high mark of those shoes. I also enjoyed a handful of their shoes: Elgin & Mercers skated great
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Glued an old insole onto the front of some Vans ultracush for more metatarsal protection.
(https://i.ibb.co/QF0nVt6z/IMG-6723.jpg)
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If anyone has differing info or additional podiatrist approved brands I'd be stoked to hear about it. Saw Superfeet getting love in here. I'll report back once I try out some insoles.
Back around after testing some out, not trying to quote my massive initial post. Looks like SLAP is happy with their FPs and Superfeet but here's what I got. Over a hundred miles on these things and lots of sessions with the flippity-do.
Went with the Spenco Max Support. Terrible brand name, in my head I read Spumco from Red and Stimpv. 2nd runner up was the Powerstep Protech, which were a little less techy, slimmer, and the arch felt higher.
Sure felt weird when I first put them in the Puigs. Normalizes quick and the minor foot pain I had is gone. They are kinda beefy and seem to be designed more for support but have good cushioning where you need it. Especially compared to stock insoles. Board feel isn't compromised. I've been using them at the gym too. Paced for like 2 hours while talking on the phone in my other Puigs with a stock insole and could feel the foot pain starting to creep back in. So I'm calling this a win.
Autofill kept trying to turn Puig to Pig, almost let it rock. Just sayin'......
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Bought some Tiago 1010s but looking for a good impact insole. I’m 35 and slamming down off things I feel it. Was looking at the remindsoles but figured I’d ask on here if anyone has a suggestion on where to look for a good high arch support insole for impact and comfortability.
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Bought some Tiago 1010s but looking for a good impact insole. I’m 35 and slamming down off things I feel it. Was looking at the remindsoles but figured I’d ask on here if anyone has a suggestion on where to look for a good high arch support insole for impact and comfortability.
I had these:
https://remindinsoles.com/collections/mid-high-arch/products/cush-impact-6mm-mid-high-arch-chico-brenes-skull-wax-insoles
At the moment, I’m using Superfeet Hockey Cushion insoles, but I’m about to buy another pair of the Remind Cush Impact in 6 or 7 mm, since those don’t make my feet hurt as much from gaps. Also, I’m considering the Superfeet All Purpose Cushion, but I rather see if my local has anything aside from FP before I buy online.
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Bought some Tiago 1010s but looking for a good impact insole. I’m 35 and slamming down off things I feel it. Was looking at the remindsoles but figured I’d ask on here if anyone has a suggestion on where to look for a good high arch support insole for impact and comfortability.
When I needed more arch support, FP Gamechangers are the best insoles I’ve used. When you mold them, don’t stand the whole time they cool if you want more arch support to let it rise more.
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Bought some Tiago 1010s but looking for a good impact insole. I’m 35 and slamming down off things I feel it. Was looking at the remindsoles but figured I’d ask on here if anyone has a suggestion on where to look for a good high arch support insole for impact and comfortability.
Move Game Day Pro works really well for me with regards to arch support.
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Thinking of trying aftermarket insoles again. Vans PopCush actually works phenomenally for me, but I think the foam formula changes depending on the factory certain models come from. I swear some feel perfect, others suddenly hurt the sides of my feet in the most bizarre way.
Any suggestions for insoles that will provide cushion, comfort and WON’T impact the fit of the shoe? (So basically, the closest in shape to PopCush). I’ve had FP ones in the past that I HATED because it completely altered the way the shoe fit.
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I feel like this company uses the same material as FP. So it’s like FP kingfoam with arches, anybody try these
https://perseveranx.com/?srsltid=AfmBOooj73LCfeBQCfouecSxnO3btMs4GX2oIpqsDRjayvouKWrU49TB
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Thinking of trying aftermarket insoles again. Vans PopCush actually works phenomenally for me, but I think the foam formula changes depending on the factory certain models come from. I swear some feel perfect, others suddenly hurt the sides of my feet in the most bizarre way.
I've noticed something similar and haven't been able to fully figure it out. I know the pro models come with popcush pro and they feel nicer than the regular popcush. It doesn't say that in the description or website listings for whatever reason but on the bottom of the insole it'll say pro. With that being said, the popcush in my pair of Skate Old Skools feels different/better than the popcush in my Skate Sk8-His despite them both supposedly being the regular popcush.
Any suggestions for insoles that will provide cushion, comfort and WON’T impact the fit of the shoe? (So basically, the closest in shape to PopCush). I’ve had FP ones in the past that I HATED because it completely altered the way the shoe fit.
This is an issue I'm running in to. My feet are weird and Vans seem to be the only shoe that actually fits me correctly in the toe area (and even then it's not perfect). Popcush are really thick compared to just about every other insole I've come across, especially in the heel. It's about 11.5mm which is really hard to find aftermarket. My solution so far has been to stick with high tops since I can lace them tighter around my ankle to prevent heel slip and blisters. As far as finding something that's identical and doesn't change the fit at all, no luck so far unfortunately. I've been skating these lately and enjoying them but they aren't a perfect replacement as far as size goes: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGHKKCM8?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
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I feel like this company uses the same material as FP. So it’s like FP kingfoam with arches, anybody try these
https://perseveranx.com/?srsltid=AfmBOooj73LCfeBQCfouecSxnO3btMs4GX2oIpqsDRjayvouKWrU49TB
On the one hand they mention NASA
On the other hand I don’t see a bowling ball, glass, or cinder blocks anywhere.
Tough to say.
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Anybody tried those Ancore insoles? Supposedly European made
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/p/ancore-impact-insoles-eu-35-47-navy_p176025
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superfeet are my perfect pairing to any skate shoe. i really like the low arch running ones.
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I feel like this company uses the same material as FP. So it’s like FP kingfoam with arches, anybody try these
https://perseveranx.com/?srsltid=AfmBOooj73LCfeBQCfouecSxnO3btMs4GX2oIpqsDRjayvouKWrU49TB
On the one hand they mention NASA
On the other hand I don’t see a bowling ball, glass, or cinder blocks anywhere.
Tough to say.
They have light bulbs and ball bearings and shit in the video
I'm intrigued by these. Looks like they have a few different forms and only one or two of them are that super damp nasa stuff
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I feel like this company uses the same material as FP. So it’s like FP kingfoam with arches, anybody try these
https://perseveranx.com/?srsltid=AfmBOooj73LCfeBQCfouecSxnO3btMs4GX2oIpqsDRjayvouKWrU49TB
On the one hand they mention NASA
On the other hand I don’t see a bowling ball, glass, or cinder blocks anywhere.
Tough to say.
They have light bulbs and ball bearings and shit in the video
I'm intrigued by these. Looks like they have a few different forms and only one or two of them are that super damp nasa stuff
:o I did not watch the video. (I should go do that)
Surely there’s a direct from factory storefront that provides the same stuff that FP does (this website seems like one. Similar to storefronts on Amazon. That’s my theory on those anyways: direct from factory to consumer: no US company that is in the middle).
I don’t know why FP makes it so difficult to buy from them. Their website is a virus, and they don’t sell to shops it seems like.
*I watched the video. I like how they make it easy to understand the performance of each by color.
(https://i.ibb.co/5hVGgS1Z/IMG-1017.png)
Honeycomb for the win? (Skateboarding)
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:o I did not watch the video. (I should go do that)
Surely there’s a direct from factory storefront that provides the same stuff that FP does (this website seems like one. Similar to storefronts on Amazon. That’s my theory on those anyways: direct from factory to consumer: no US company that is in the middle).
I don’t know why FP makes it so difficult to buy from them. Their website is a virus, and they don’t sell to shops it seems like.
*I watched the video. I like how they make it easy to understand the performance of each by color.
(https://i.ibb.co/5hVGgS1Z/IMG-1017.png)
Honeycomb for the win? (Skateboarding)
I've seen FP insoles in several shops
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:o I did not watch the video. (I should go do that)
Surely there’s a direct from factory storefront that provides the same stuff that FP does (this website seems like one. Similar to storefronts on Amazon. That’s my theory on those anyways: direct from factory to consumer: no US company that is in the middle).
I don’t know why FP makes it so difficult to buy from them. Their website is a virus, and they don’t sell to shops it seems like.
*I watched the video. I like how they make it easy to understand the performance of each by color.
(https://i.ibb.co/5hVGgS1Z/IMG-1017.png)
Honeycomb for the win? (Skateboarding)
I’m in US. you?
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US
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I checked shoplurker.
Yes, factually true, they are in some shops.
Good for them.
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FP definitely used to sell to shops on a bigger basis. I think they've lost a lot of market space/hype as i don't see as many shops carrying them at all or carrying them as much as before.
Remind has started to take more FP customers/sponsor more pros compared to before. Plus, Slap has many non-skate insole brands posted in here as a means to avoid the maga cucks behind FP
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FP definitely used to sell to shops on a bigger basis. I think they've lost a lot of market space/hype as i don't see as many shops carrying them at all or carrying them as much as before.
Remind has started to take more FP customers/sponsor more pros compared to before. Plus, Slap has many non-skate insole brands posted in here as a means to avoid the maga cucks behind FP
Remind is doing business right. Good marketing, in many shops, they don't have several people stating "I'll never support"...
FP should just license their stuff (if it is really that patented, or whatever). They should go on shark tank and get a licensing deal with Mr. Wonderful.
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Don’t know about the political stuff but that sucks. But I don’t buy products based on marketing or hype and business practices as much as I do for the actual performance, quality, materials, and value of the item. When it comes to that, I still haven’t encountered an insole made of better material than FP. I have been looking more into details on that and other types of insole material and it seems like FP is probably using D30 or some very similar material. The key to it is it’s non-Newtonian properties that allows it to stay flexible and soft (comfortable) normally but instantly harden and absorb shock when it’s exposed to impact. There is no other insole I know of using this kind of material and if that is the case, they are inferior as far as I’m concerned if your primary concern is shock absorption.
But, I’m currently on NB#480s and I was planning on swapping out the insoles for my FPs until they broke in more and I looked into their technology. It seems like their midsole “FuelCell” material has some non-Newtonian properties although not as good as FPs material. However, the midsole is much thicker than a typical insole so it seems to provide sufficient impact absorption. The interesting part is their “Abzorb” insole actually has the opposite effect and doesn’t really “absorb” impact but it reacts by returning the energy. This is what you see with the egg and bowling ball tests where non-Newtonian materials will protect the egg or the bowling ball won’t bounce on impact so those materials (FP and to a lesser extent, NB FuelCell midsole) are truly absorbing the shock. The combination of having the absorption in the midsole and reactive insole kind of makes sense to me. The fact that my NBs have felt really good since they broke in and I haven’t noticed too much foot pain from shock has delayed my desire to swap in my FPs. But ideally, I think the combination of no midsole or a thinner FP material midsole with a reactive insole might be the best combination in the end. If I had to choose one or the other, I’d go with no midsole and an FP insole since that’s what my last shoes were and there was zero foot pain from shock…better than my NBs. And I’m also not sure how much benefit you really get from having a reactive insole. I haven’t noticed more “pop” out of them but the idea seems valid.
What I might do in the future is buy a sheet of D30 and cut to make my own custom insoles to see how that goes. Probably won’t ever need to do it since FP doubled the order I made with them years ago and I might have enough of their insoles to last my lifetime.
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I gotta say I've been happy with FP Gamechangers.
A question for peeps with lengthy experience with them: how long can you use them for? To me it seems like they last quite a while. I've used the same pair now occasionally for 2 years or so, and they seem to perform pretty good still. I've reheated them a few times, but sometimes they sit in the drawer for months and I just slip them in without reheating, no problem. They feel hard at first but body heat softens them up. Just kinda wondering about the number of "cycles" they can take.
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I gotta say I've been happy with FP Gamechangers.
A question for peeps with lengthy experience with them: how long can you use them for? To me it seems like they last quite a while. I've used the same pair now occasionally for 2 years or so, and they seem to perform pretty good still. I've reheated them a few times, but sometimes they sit in the drawer for months and I just slip them in without reheating, no problem. They feel hard at first but body heat softens them up. Just kinda wondering about the number of "cycles" they can take.
Do you heat to remold them? I only did it twice so far and the second time was shortly after I first got them because I wanted to see if I could get more arch support by reducing pressure during the mold process. It did work so I’ve just left them that way and never bothered heating them again. I was planning on doing it when I switched shoes but it worked fine without it so I just skipped it. I think I’ve had mine for 2-3 years and they show no sign of breaking down so I imagine I can use them at least a couple more years. There is some wear on the top fabric material but not worn through or anything close to that. Mine are just sitting around for now since I mentioned I was going to put them in my NB#480s but finding I don’t need the additional impact support in those shoes. Plus, I have a fresh unused set so I might actually be good for life on them.
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Found a use for my old FP insoles that have been collecting dust in a basket. I cut out a patch of forefoot of the FP and glued it to the heel of the Superfeet Run Cushion Low. Tested them yesterday and it seems to work. Bit more cushion (I think 5mm) and comfort and theoretically more impact protection.
Thought it could affect the SF's heel cup stability and cradling with the force being first absorbed by the attached FP cushion before it gets to the SF. Like the new barrier might make it tippy or unstable. I have one other FP that's thinner than 5mm I can swap in if that's the case or if it needs reshaping. But it felt solid. I feel good today after a 2 hour session, possibly less sore. More testing is needed.
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I prefer the run cushion but I'm using the run support in dunks right now and they also work fine.
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I prefer the run cushion but I'm using the run support in dunks right now and they also work fine.
Do they seem about the same to you or any notable differences?
Few days ago I asked which would be best among the Run Cushion, Run Support, and Run Pain Relief for impact and to take pressure off joints from hard concrete landings and here's what a rep said:
"For maximum impact absorption and reducing stress on your joints, your current Run Cushion Low is actually the best option of the three. It provides the most cushioning and is designed to absorb shock from hard surfaces like concrete.
The Run Support Low and Run Pain Relief both offer more structure and support, but they will feel firmer and won’t absorb as much impact."
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I prefer the run cushion but I'm using the run support in dunks right now and they also work fine.
Few days ago I asked which would be best among the Run Cushion, Run Support, and Run Pain Relief for impact and to take pressure off joints from hard concrete landings and here's what a rep said:
"For maximum impact absorption and reducing stress on your joints, your current Run Cushion Low is actually the best option of the three. It provides the most cushioning and is designed to absorb shock from hard surfaces like concrete.
The Run Support Low and Run Pain Relief both offer more structure and support, but they will feel firmer and won’t absorb as much impact."
Tbh there isn't a significant amount of difference to me. The support feels firmer and possibly not as much impact protection in the forefoot and heel as the cushion. The cushion also allow a little bit of flex vs the support which I prefer. I will probably give the new Reminds a try next.
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With the discount code you can get these insoles for $30 with free shipping.
I have been using them for years and they are great. They say mid thick and soft but they are no thicker than most skate shoe insoles and definitely not soft, just soft compared to their other insoles.
https://www.superfeet.com/products/all-purpose-cushion
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Got these as a gift which was great since I was curious about them but didn’t want to spend money.
So far first impressions:
- They have orange smell
- EU made. Seems that the company is German.
- Just trimmed them to my size and put them in my Japan Pros, walked a little and felt quite comfy.
I’ll skate them tomorrow or day after in case somebody wants some more info on them.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ewjVmNX.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zCW3AeF.jpeg)
Got these as a gift which was great since I was curious about them but didn’t want to spend money.
So far first impressions:
- They have orange smell
- EU made. Seems that the company is German.
- Just trimmed them to my size and put them in my Japan Pros, walked a little and felt quite comfy.
I’ll skate them tomorrow or day after in case somebody wants some more info on them.
Yeah, more info please, I've seen them too :)
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I'm interested too! Haven't heard of the brand. Have a good skate!