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Anyone else find the hearings hilarious? Looks like a bunch of old senile people failing to understand how technology works ;D
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https://mobile.twitter.com/catcontentonly/status/1639021937144766465
Feel like this is a neat summary of the hearings
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i don't use social media (just Slap?) so I find all of this funny.
My wife is a tik tok addict and she gets real sensitive about this
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I watched a few highlights of the hearing and it was mostly filled with culture war bullshit from the R's on the committee, which I find ironic considering TikTok is notorious for amplifying red pill / anti-woke content that ultimately serves the interests of the right.
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I hope they ban it. All that shit is a blight on society.
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I'd prefer strong regulation for all social media. They shouldn't be allowed to vacuum up our data and their algorithms should be open for review. From Twitter to TikTok to Facebook all these stupid ass things influence people and can have impacts on the real world.
I'm just waiting for Musk to start tweeting about people's DMs in order to silence their criticism of his stupid ass tunnel under Las Vegas.
Finally, the idea of US government workers even having any apps on their work phones is super dumb. If gov employees want to have Snap or TikTok on their personal phone fine, but not on a work phone. They should be limited to work only applications that have been reviewed by security.
Edit: I am second guessing my comment. How do algorithm settings differ from deciding the programs at a TV channel? I wouldn't advocate for telling NBC what shows they show or don't show, why advocate for telling a social media that prioritizing puppies or Teslas or the glory of the People's Republic of China is bad?
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I'd prefer strong regulation for all social media. They shouldn't be allowed to vacuum up our data and their algorithms should be open for review. From Twitter to TikTok to Facebook all these stupid ass things influence people and can have impacts on the real world.
I'm just waiting for Musk to start tweeting about people's DMs in order to silence their criticism of his stupid ass tunnel under Las Vegas.
Finally, the idea of US government workers even having any apps on their work phones is super dumb. If gov employees want to have Snap or TikTok on their personal phone fine, but not on a work phone. They should be limited to work only applications that have been reviewed by security.
Edit: I am second guessing my comment. How do algorithm settings differ from deciding the programs at a TV channel? I wouldn't advocate for telling NBC what shows they show or don't show, why advocate for telling a social media that prioritizing puppies or Teslas or the glory of the People's Republic of China is bad?
Large companies who have even modicum of a security posture are restricting social media and other personal use apps from company devices. I work for a water district, which is considered local government agency, and we use a MDM (mobile device management) that automatically provisions all the apps that someone would need to perform their jobs and restricts them from downloading anything outside of that. I sure hope that employees of the federal government would have their mobile devices managed by an MDM considering they are extremely susceptible to attacks.
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Anyone else find the hearings hilarious? Looks like a bunch of old senile people failing to understand how technology works ;D
Tik Tok CEO owned when he said "oh yeah, Like USA companies have good track records...Facebook and Cambridge analytica for example"...the smirk he had like yea your companies are even more scandalous
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Anyone else find the hearings hilarious? Looks like a bunch of old senile people failing to understand how technology works ;D
Tik Tok CEO owned when he said "oh yeah, Like USA companies have good track records...Facebook and Cambridge analytica for example"...the smirk he had like yea your companies are even more scandalous
that is such a Chinese government response hah.
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Anyone else find the hearings hilarious? Looks like a bunch of old senile people failing to understand how technology works ;D
Tik Tok CEO owned when he said "oh yeah, Like USA companies have good track records...Facebook and Cambridge analytica for example"...the smirk he had like yea your companies are even more scandalous
Facebook literally ran experiments on you guys and boosted a genocide in myanmar.
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Anyone else find the hearings hilarious? Looks like a bunch of old senile people failing to understand how technology works ;D
Tik Tok CEO owned when he said "oh yeah, Like USA companies have good track records...Facebook and Cambridge analytica for example"...the smirk he had like yea your companies are even more scandalous
that is such a Chinese government response hah.
Pretty much
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I work in advertising and deal with a lot of social media and social media influencers. So naturally, I hate TikTok. I hate Facebook. I liked Twitter pre-Musk. And I’m okay with IG.
That said, old folk trying to regulate this shit as if they’re protecting America and free-speech is stupid and a waste of government money when other things could and should take precedence.
The most I support any of this, is the banning of TikTok (and social media in general) on Government phones and devices.
If people want to sign up and have their data be collected by a privately owned company, why not? We do it when we accept terms and conditions with everything we use.
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“We examine user profiles to verify age sir”
"Well that's creepy!"
my god ;D ;D ;D
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I work in advertising and deal with a lot of social media and social media influencers. So naturally, I hate TikTok. I hate Facebook. I liked Twitter pre-Musk. And I’m okay with IG.
That said, old folk trying to regulate this shit as if they’re protecting America and free-speech is stupid and a waste of government money when other things could and should take precedence.
The most I support any of this, is the banning of TikTok (and social media in general) on Government phones and devices.
If people want to sign up and have their data be collected by a privately owned company, why not? We do it when we accept terms and conditions with everything we use.
My take is this is just more Red Scare 2 consent manufacturing following the very dangerous and mischevious chinese spy balloon to distract from other pressing issues.
It's also very entertaining haha.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/catcontentonly/status/1639021937144766465
Feel like this is a neat summary of the hearings
That was a bullshit answer, but because whomever was asking that question (probably) doesn't understand the technology fully, he doesn't know the correct way to phrase the question. I believe he was trying to ask if TikTok can access other devices that are connected to your network, even if TikTok is not installed on those devices.
The answer is yes, yes they can. TikTok is a foreign data mining piece of spyware with almost endless permissions.
"It's technical let me get back to you," and the congressman just letting him skirt by the question is laughable....
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I work in advertising and deal with a lot of social media and social media influencers. So naturally, I hate TikTok. I hate Facebook. I liked Twitter pre-Musk. And I’m okay with IG.
That said, old folk trying to regulate this shit as if they’re protecting America and free-speech is stupid and a waste of government money when other things could and should take precedence.
The most I support any of this, is the banning of TikTok (and social media in general) on Government phones and devices.
If people want to sign up and have their data be collected by a privately owned company, why not? We do it when we accept terms and conditions with everything we use.
There's no such thing as a privately owned company in China, especially one as big as TikTok. TikTok is 100% run by the CCP, and I firmly believe they are using TikTok to sew confusion and infighting amongst the American public with an emphasis on children and teenagers (just like every other social media platform with government influence.)
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I work in advertising and deal with a lot of social media and social media influencers. So naturally, I hate TikTok. I hate Facebook. I liked Twitter pre-Musk. And I’m okay with IG.
That said, old folk trying to regulate this shit as if they’re protecting America and free-speech is stupid and a waste of government money when other things could and should take precedence.
The most I support any of this, is the banning of TikTok (and social media in general) on Government phones and devices.
If people want to sign up and have their data be collected by a privately owned company, why not? We do it when we accept terms and conditions with everything we use.
There's no such thing as a privately owned company in China, especially one as big as TikTok. TikTok is 100% run by the CCP, and I firmly believe they are using TikTok to sew confusion and infighting amongst the American public with an emphasis on children and teenagers (just like every other social media platform with government influence.)
It should also be noted that tiktok does not operate in China. It's a thinly veiled mass surveillance tool that logs your keystrokes and location and the CCCP calls the shots. All social media is evil, but I'm a lot more OK with companies that want my money doing it than the govt of our biggest global rival.
So, it definitely needs to go but just banning tiktok is a bandaid. What we need is actual privacy protection and data collection legislation with teeth. Europe is about 5 years ahead of us (as usual) with regards to this kind of stuff.
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Ban the tok? And miss out on some good natured rubber-necking?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D0jbdBS9KNw
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I watch the guy who rolls for sandwiches and that's really all I care about but I did see a video where they referred to the CEO as Chinese and he corrected them because he's from Singapore, so I'm on TikTok's side I guess. Also I'm sorry that the man lost his eye, but what is going on with the god damn eye patch
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I work in advertising and deal with a lot of social media and social media influencers. So naturally, I hate TikTok. I hate Facebook. I liked Twitter pre-Musk. And I’m okay with IG.
That said, old folk trying to regulate this shit as if they’re protecting America and free-speech is stupid and a waste of government money when other things could and should take precedence.
The most I support any of this, is the banning of TikTok (and social media in general) on Government phones and devices.
If people want to sign up and have their data be collected by a privately owned company, why not? We do it when we accept terms and conditions with everything we use.
There's no such thing as a privately owned company in China, especially one as big as TikTok. TikTok is 100% run by the CCP, and I firmly believe they are using TikTok to sew confusion and infighting amongst the American public with an emphasis on children and teenagers (just like every other social media platform with government influence.)
It should also be noted that tiktok does not operate in China. It's a thinly veiled mass surveillance tool that logs your keystrokes and location and the CCCP calls the shots. All social media is evil, but I'm a lot more OK with companies that want my money doing it than the govt of our biggest global rival.
So, it definitely needs to go but just banning tiktok is a bandaid. What we need is actual privacy protection and data collection legislation with teeth. Europe is about 5 years ahead of us (as usual) with regards to this kind of stuff.
Finally, someone gets it. A close friend of mine lives her life on TikTok despite her being someone who would describe themselves as someone who can see through the bullshit and is, "free thinking." I've had several conversations about how TikTok truly operates and she gets offended. She also says things like, "so what? Who cares if they have my data, other companies do it too..." "Oh wow a social media company is tracking us big deal."
People get so hopelessly addicted to that app they rationalize everything about using it. I've never seen anything quite like it.
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This is all because TikTok is outcompeting American SM companies. The "surveillance" and "propaganda" stuff are just pretexts for trying to get rid of a rival or making it sell itself to an American buyer. As if everything you do online isn't monitored by the US government, which I don't trust any more than the "CCP."
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I watch the guy who rolls for sandwiches and that's really all I care about but I did see a video where they referred to the CEO as Chinese and he corrected them because he's from Singapore, so I'm on TikTok's side I guess. Also I'm sorry that the man lost his eye, but what is going on with the god damn eye patch
Dan Crenshaw? He lost his eye to an IED in 2012 and still has problems with his left eye.
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This is all because TikTok is outcompeting American SM companies. The "surveillance" and "propaganda" stuff are just pretexts for trying to get rid of a rival or making it sell itself to an American buyer. As if everything you do online isn't monitored by the US government, which I don't trust any more than the "CCP."
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i think it should be banned. we need to save the kids from turning their brains into lifeless lumps from dopamine addiction. also ban porn
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Almost worked there and got weirded out by the ban potential. They’re laying off a bunch of people. Shit is gonna crash and burn
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This is all because TikTok is outcompeting American SM companies. The "surveillance" and "propaganda" stuff are just pretexts for trying to get rid of a rival or making it sell itself to an American buyer. As if everything you do online isn't monitored by the US government, which I don't trust any more than the "CCP."
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I dunno, there’s a both sides thing going on that I think is a little harsh on the US (which is wild as fuck to think about). The US can survey me, but I’m not gonna get fucked up if I make a meme about the President looking like a pantsless Disney bear or worry about my relatives in the states if I go abroad and start talking shit on the government (or worry about secret US police stations like the Chinese have set up in US, Canada, and in Europe).
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Finally, someone gets it. A close friend of mine lives her life on TikTok despite her being someone who would describe themselves as someone who can see through the bullshit and is, "free thinking." I've had several conversations about how TikTok truly operates and she gets offended. She also says things like, "so what? Who cares if they have my data, other companies do it too..." "Oh wow a social media company is tracking us big deal."
People get so hopelessly addicted to that app they rationalize everything about using it. I've never seen anything quite like it.
Well to be fair if it was Twitter or Facebook there would be way more people trying even harder to justify it. Americans have a really hard time accepting that they've made a mistake even when there's mountains of evidence staring them in the face. Nerds (or really just people who fundamentally understand how the internet works) have been LOUDLY denouncing our apathy regarding data collection for well over a decade at this but it's taken an adversarial state basically openly exploiting it for the majority of people to even begin to admit this might be an issue.
You don't need to know where exactly where I am and what I'm saying to whom to sell me shit, the ad industry worked just fine for 150 years before mass data collection started.
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Finally, someone gets it. A close friend of mine lives her life on TikTok despite her being someone who would describe themselves as someone who can see through the bullshit and is, "free thinking." I've had several conversations about how TikTok truly operates and she gets offended. She also says things like, "so what? Who cares if they have my data, other companies do it too..." "Oh wow a social media company is tracking us big deal."
People get so hopelessly addicted to that app they rationalize everything about using it. I've never seen anything quite like it.
Well to be fair if it was Twitter or Facebook there would be way more people trying even harder to justify it. Americans have a really hard time accepting that they've made a mistake even when there's mountains of evidence staring them in the face. Nerds (or really just people who fundamentally understand how the internet works) have been LOUDLY denouncing our apathy regarding data collection for well over a decade at this but it's taken an adversarial state basically openly exploiting it for the majority of people to even begin to admit this might be an issue.
You don't need to know where exactly where I am and what I'm saying to whom to sell me shit, the ad industry worked just fine for 150 years before mass data collection started.
Every free product just means you’re the actual product the company is selling to someone else
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I watch the guy who rolls for sandwiches and that's really all I care about but I did see a video where they referred to the CEO as Chinese and he corrected them because he's from Singapore, so I'm on TikTok's side I guess. Also I'm sorry that the man lost his eye, but what is going on with the god damn eye patch
Dan Crenshaw? He lost his eye to an IED in 2012 and still has problems with his left eye.
He's still a pussy
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I hope they ban it. All that shit is a blight on society.
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Blight: definition.
Any of numerous plant diseases resulting in sudden conspicuous wilting and dying of affected parts, especially young, growing tissues
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My ex partner was fully addicted to it, probably still is. I swear half their personality disappeared and it probably contributed to me losing interest very suddenly.
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the headline just illustrates the obvious, doesnt matter if forbes is garbage
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This is all because TikTok is outcompeting American SM companies. The "surveillance" and "propaganda" stuff are just pretexts for trying to get rid of a rival or making it sell itself to an American buyer. As if everything you do online isn't monitored by the US government, which I don't trust any more than the "CCP."
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I dunno, there’s a both sides thing going on that I think is a little harsh on the US (which is wild as fuck to think about). The US can survey me, but I’m not gonna get fucked up if I make a meme about the President looking like a pantsless Disney bear or worry about my relatives in the states if I go abroad and start talking shit on the government (or worry about secret US police stations like the Chinese have set up in US, Canada, and in Europe).
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There really isn't a both sides. The US is by far the worse country to people who aren't its own people and even then America is worse with its fucked up healthcare system and economic inequality.
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Was expecting a nice little rebuke from you, not disappointed. Not immediately related but I stumbled upon a falun gong stand today while going back home which was weird as hell, what these idiots want with my city i can only guess, probably spreading their wild views on china to clueless westerners ;D
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This is all because TikTok is outcompeting American SM companies. The "surveillance" and "propaganda" stuff are just pretexts for trying to get rid of a rival or making it sell itself to an American buyer. As if everything you do online isn't monitored by the US government, which I don't trust any more than the "CCP."
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I dunno, there’s a both sides thing going on that I think is a little harsh on the US (which is wild as fuck to think about). The US can survey me, but I’m not gonna get fucked up if I make a meme about the President looking like a pantsless Disney bear or worry about my relatives in the states if I go abroad and start talking shit on the government (or worry about secret US police stations like the Chinese have set up in US, Canada, and in Europe).
(https://i.ibb.co/Mfsvf9t/5-B67-B973-AE91-4855-A389-0262-B85963-E9.jpg)
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There really isn't a both sides. The US is by far the worse country to people who aren't its own people and even then America is worse with its fucked up healthcare system and economic inequality.
Ah we were talking about different things - I was referring to treatment of its own citizens which I realize is a bit apples and oranges anyways.
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Was expecting a nice little rebuke from you, not disappointed. Not immediately related but I stumbled upon a falun gong stand today while going back home which was weird as hell, what these idiots want with my city i can only guess, probably spreading their wild views on china to clueless westerners ;D
FG are kooks but an entirely different kind. They're more of your classic religious cult and blast a lot of right wing propaganda but on the whole it's less directly anti-American than CCP media rhetoric. In fact I'm pretty sure China mass arrested and tortured thousands of them to death when I was in high school, I remember drawing some parallels when the uyghur stuff started to break.
Also that chart is laughable... yeah the US totally attacked Brazil in 2016 and Haiti in 2004. I wont go into the nuance of every conflict but suffice to say if this had been updated recently I'm sure they'd add Ukraine there. The US is in an unfortunate position as the most powerful country in the world.. When anything goes wrong people loudly beg for help and then when we give it we're criticized for doing so and accused of imposing our might. Its a can't win situation.
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Was expecting a nice little rebuke from you, not disappointed. Not immediately related but I stumbled upon a falun gong stand today while going back home which was weird as hell, what these idiots want with my city i can only guess, probably spreading their wild views on china to clueless westerners ;D
FG are kooks but an entirely different kind. They're more of your classic religious cult and blast a lot of right wing propaganda but on the whole it's less directly anti-American than CCP media rhetoric. In fact I'm pretty sure China mass arrested and tortured thousands of them to death when I was in high school, I remember drawing some parallels when the uyghur stuff started to break.
Also that chart is laughable... yeah the US totally attacked Brazil in 2016 and Haiti in 2004. I wont go into the nuance of every conflict but suffice to say if this had been updated recently I'm sure they'd add Ukraine there. The US is in an unfortunate position as the most powerful country in the world.. When anything goes wrong people loudly beg for help and then when we give it we're criticized for doing so and accused of imposing our might. Its a can't win situation.
do u know what a coup d'etat is or did they not teach you that at jarhead school
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Coup de tat
a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
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Was expecting a nice little rebuke from you, not disappointed. Not immediately related but I stumbled upon a falun gong stand today while going back home which was weird as hell, what these idiots want with my city i can only guess, probably spreading their wild views on china to clueless westerners ;D
FG are kooks but an entirely different kind. They're more of your classic religious cult and blast a lot of right wing propaganda but on the whole it's less directly anti-American than CCP media rhetoric. In fact I'm pretty sure China mass arrested and tortured thousands of them to death when I was in high school, I remember drawing some parallels when the uyghur stuff started to break.
Also that chart is laughable... yeah the US totally attacked Brazil in 2016 and Haiti in 2004. I wont go into the nuance of every conflict but suffice to say if this had been updated recently I'm sure they'd add Ukraine there. The US is in an unfortunate position as the most powerful country in the world.. When anything goes wrong people loudly beg for help and then when we give it we're criticized for doing so and accused of imposing our might. Its a can't win situation.
do u know what a coup d'etat is or did they not teach you that at jarhead school
Yes, and the extent of the US' involvement in that coup was 1000 marines to secure the airport and a plane to exile, both of which were requested. Aristide shit his pants because of the literal cannibal army taking over his city and then tried to save face afterwards.
I actually went to art school for the military (not a jar head, I got a 98 gq on my ASVAB and got to pick my job in the air force) and graduated at the top of my class. The business/macro degree with a minor in sociology that I got 3 years into before deciding I hated it and shooting a bunch of dope was actually funded by the GI bill. So save for half a year of computer science at a public university when I was 18, your tax dollars have actually directly funded my entire education. Have a good day bud.
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Was expecting a nice little rebuke from you, not disappointed. Not immediately related but I stumbled upon a falun gong stand today while going back home which was weird as hell, what these idiots want with my city i can only guess, probably spreading their wild views on china to clueless westerners ;D
FG are kooks but an entirely different kind. They're more of your classic religious cult and blast a lot of right wing propaganda but on the whole it's less directly anti-American than CCP media rhetoric. In fact I'm pretty sure China mass arrested and tortured thousands of them to death when I was in high school, I remember drawing some parallels when the uyghur stuff started to break.
Also that chart is laughable... yeah the US totally attacked Brazil in 2016 and Haiti in 2004. I wont go into the nuance of every conflict but suffice to say if this had been updated recently I'm sure they'd add Ukraine there. The US is in an unfortunate position as the most powerful country in the world.. When anything goes wrong people loudly beg for help and then when we give it we're criticized for doing so and accused of imposing our might. Its a can't win situation.
do u know what a coup d'etat is or did they not teach you that at jarhead school
Yes, and the extent of the US' involvement in that coup was 1000 marines to secure the airport and a plane to exile, both of which were requested. Aristide shit his pants because of the literal cannibal army taking over his city and then tried to save face afterwards.
I actually went to art school for the military (not a jar head, I got a 98 gq on my ASVAB and got to pick my job in the air force) and graduated at the top of my class. The business/macro degree with a minor in sociology that I got 3 years into before deciding I hated it and shooting a bunch of dope was actually funded by the GI bill. So save for half a year of computer science at a public university when I was 18, your tax dollars have actually directly funded my entire education. Have a good day bud.
right, this just happened to be the one coup in Haiti that wasn't directly engineered by the US since their outright occupation of the island. if you buy that you'll buy anything (and it appears you already have). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change). hopefully this will help you with your confusion about the graphic :)
my tax dollars already are wasted on the cops that beat my neighbors up and drone striking weddings so its water off my back- the truly insulting thing is that the military telling you you've got a big strong brain and get to draw the tanks on the brochures turned you into someone who is wrong about basically everything, cleans poop for a living and skates alone in his basement, yet carries himself as if he's never been wrong about anything in his life
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My niece looks like a zombie while using that tictac thing. It's super scary how much of a hold some of those services have on young minds.
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My niece looks like a zombie while using that tictac thing. It's super scary how much of a hold some of those services have on young minds.
By design they’re addictive. It’s why it’s always interesting see that parents who run these companies rarely let their kids use them
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Thought that was Sluggo for a second
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
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Was expecting a nice little rebuke from you, not disappointed. Not immediately related but I stumbled upon a falun gong stand today while going back home which was weird as hell, what these idiots want with my city i can only guess, probably spreading their wild views on china to clueless westerners ;D
FG are kooks but an entirely different kind. They're more of your classic religious cult and blast a lot of right wing propaganda but on the whole it's less directly anti-American than CCP media rhetoric. In fact I'm pretty sure China mass arrested and tortured thousands of them to death when I was in high school, I remember drawing some parallels when the uyghur stuff started to break.
Also that chart is laughable... yeah the US totally attacked Brazil in 2016 and Haiti in 2004. I wont go into the nuance of every conflict but suffice to say if this had been updated recently I'm sure they'd add Ukraine there. The US is in an unfortunate position as the most powerful country in the world.. When anything goes wrong people loudly beg for help and then when we give it we're criticized for doing so and accused of imposing our might. Its a can't win situation.
No one wants your "help" lmao
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
I don’t think there’s anything of worth to copy from US applications unless you’re a shitty Silicon Valley venture capitalist
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Coup de tat
a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
I don’t think there’s anything of worth to copy from US applications unless you’re a shitty Silicon Valley venture capitalist
Mm I remember it being a plot point in the show Silicon Valley which was based on actual events that are currently a minor sticking point in sino/American relations. Uber I remember being one app specifically that was worried about China stealing their shit while deadlocking them from opening up in their country.
Apparently it’s not apps, but straight up stealing American patents to create the same product with slightly altered logos to create market confusion.
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Internet was a mistake.
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Internet was a mistake.
Ya can't wait til it's 99% ai. They can have it.
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I hope they ban it. All that shit is a blight on society.
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Ya can't wait til it's 99% ai. They can have it.
reminds me of this: https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/dead-internet-theory-most-of-the-internet-is-fake.3011/
now I dont necessarily subscribe to the views in that post but its a fun thing to think about
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Ya can't wait til it's 99% ai. They can have it.
reminds me of this: https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/dead-internet-theory-most-of-the-internet-is-fake.3011/
now I dont necessarily subscribe to the views in that post but its a fun thing to think about
I didn’t read the whole thing, but I can totally understand what they’re saying. When I started using the internet, I remember it being like the old west. You could lose yourself in anglefire and geocities websites, each one unique and made by an actual person. Thems were the days.
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
I don’t think there’s anything of worth to copy from US applications unless you’re a shitty Silicon Valley venture capitalist
Mm I remember it being a plot point in the show Silicon Valley which was based on actual events that are currently a minor sticking point in sino/American relations. Uber I remember being one app specifically that was worried about China stealing their shit while deadlocking them from opening up in their country.
Apparently it’s not apps, but straight up stealing American patents to create the same product with slightly altered logos to create market confusion.
Uber's CTO used to work for google and took a some IP on self driving cars...Google sued and won. Tech companies all steal, i think its rumored the Apple 2 design was stolen from Xerox and IBM concepts too
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
I don’t think there’s anything of worth to copy from US applications unless you’re a shitty Silicon Valley venture capitalist
Mm I remember it being a plot point in the show Silicon Valley which was based on actual events that are currently a minor sticking point in sino/American relations. Uber I remember being one app specifically that was worried about China stealing their shit while deadlocking them from opening up in their country.
Apparently it’s not apps, but straight up stealing American patents to create the same product with slightly altered logos to create market confusion.
Amazon is currently flooded with this shit and is half way to wish.com in a lotta ways.
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
I don’t think there’s anything of worth to copy from US applications unless you’re a shitty Silicon Valley venture capitalist
Mm I remember it being a plot point in the show Silicon Valley which was based on actual events that are currently a minor sticking point in sino/American relations. Uber I remember being one app specifically that was worried about China stealing their shit while deadlocking them from opening up in their country.
Apparently it’s not apps, but straight up stealing American patents to create the same product with slightly altered logos to create market confusion.
Apparently it’s also state sponsored hackers stealing things engineering plans and jet specs so they can close the gap a lot quicker
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/
Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/
Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.
Is TikTok that different from Vine? There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though. IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. ::) The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/
Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.
Is TikTok that different from Vine? There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though. IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.
Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.
You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.
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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.
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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.
It's kind of astounding how Americans have repeatedly been lied to to manufacture consent for wars. They realize it after the fact, such as the invasion of Iraq, then completely forget it happened, or they think "THIS TIME they're telling us the truth."
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. ::) The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/
Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.
Is TikTok that different from Vine? There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though. IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.
Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.
You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.
I really don’t see how you’re addressing anything I said. Yes, I get my news from the West…am I supposed to get my news from China? If so, please let me know the outlet. From what I’ve gathered, news and the internet is heavily regulated by the government, so I don’t see how I’d get the unbiased truth there either.
Okay if the US was involved in opium, isn’t there some involvement with China and fentanyl flooding the US?
Is not China meddling in other countries affairs in a different way by using large infrastructure projects in Africa as a carrot to make them vote alongside them or, like in Honduras’s case, make them rejecting the autonomy of places like Taiwan?
Also, I think state sponsors hackers raising US corporations patents is a pretty significant case of meddling in other country’s affairs.
I have zero Sinophobia or think that China is some special kind of bogeyman. I do think that their defense always boils down to a bad faith version of “well you guys in the West were plundering, murdering assholes for so many years, why can’t we have our turn to do that now that we have global power”.
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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.
It's kind of astounding how Americans have repeatedly been lied to to manufacture consent for wars. They realize it after the fact, such as the invasion of Iraq, then completely forget it happened, or they think "THIS TIME they're telling us the truth."
Americans weren’t monolithically in favor of invading Iraq. Many many of us hated it and protested against it, but shockingly weren’t heeded by the hawkish neocons running the government
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. ::) The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/
Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.
Is TikTok that different from Vine? There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though. IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.
Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.
You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.
I really don’t see how you’re addressing anything I said. Yes, I get my news from the West…am I supposed to get my news from China? If so, please let me know the outlet. From what I’ve gathered, news and the internet is heavily regulated by the government, so I don’t see how I’d get the unbiased truth there either.
Okay if the US was involved in opium, isn’t there some involvement with China and fentanyl flooding the US?
Is not China meddling in other countries affairs in a different way by using large infrastructure projects in Africa as a carrot to make them vote alongside them or, like in Honduras’s case, make them rejecting the autonomy of places like Taiwan?
Also, I think state sponsors hackers raising US corporations patents is a pretty significant case of meddling in other country’s affairs.
I have zero Sinophobia or think that China is some special kind of bogeyman. I do think that their defense always boils down to a bad faith version of “well you guys in the West were plundering, murdering assholes for so many years, why can’t we have our turn to do that now that we have global power”.
Everything you think you know about China is heavily spun propaganda, including all the points in your post. For instance China is not "flooding" America with fent. Illegal manufacturers of fent get some of the ingredients for it from China but China can't control what those people do with those chemicals and is not directly exporting fent to the US.
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. ::) The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/
Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.
Is TikTok that different from Vine? There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though. IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.
Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.
You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.
I really don’t see how you’re addressing anything I said. Yes, I get my news from the West…am I supposed to get my news from China? If so, please let me know the outlet. From what I’ve gathered, news and the internet is heavily regulated by the government, so I don’t see how I’d get the unbiased truth there either.
Okay if the US was involved in opium, isn’t there some involvement with China and fentanyl flooding the US?
Is not China meddling in other countries affairs in a different way by using large infrastructure projects in Africa as a carrot to make them vote alongside them or, like in Honduras’s case, make them rejecting the autonomy of places like Taiwan?
Also, I think state sponsors hackers raising US corporations patents is a pretty significant case of meddling in other country’s affairs.
I have zero Sinophobia or think that China is some special kind of bogeyman. I do think that their defense always boils down to a bad faith version of “well you guys in the West were plundering, murdering assholes for so many years, why can’t we have our turn to do that now that we have global power”.
Everything you think you know about China is heavily spun propaganda, including all the points in your post.
So the Chinese government are blameless actors in all aspects of domestic and international affairs and don’t deserve any scrutiny? You don’t think that take is heavily spun propaganda from the Chinese government?
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
Yo… I don’t wanna derail all this important political debate, but how about you link us to your OnlyFans profile so I can get at them nudes too.
Totally willing to pay, (unlike that Xi guy over in China.)
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. ::) The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).
But what’s your point? That we should give em a freebie on this one for old time’s sake?
I feel deeply for every historical wrong ever done to them but we’re talking about a predatory cell phone app in 2023, so I’m not sure how applicable any of that is.
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. ::) The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).
But what’s your point? That we should give em a freebie on this one for old time’s sake?
I feel deeply for every historical wrong ever done to them but we’re talking about a predatory cell phone app in 2023, so I’m not sure how applicable any of that is.
My TikTok feed is food, travel stuff, music, some skating and animal rescues. I've never seen anything predatory or propagandistic. The algorithm feeds you stuff based on your preferences like any other SM app does. If you mean that it's addictive, that's true. But that's not what the US government is attacking TikTok for. And what do people think the Chinese government is going to do with this that's any different from what the US government does with app data? I don't like anyone having my data but they do and I don't trust the US government any more than I do the Chinese government.
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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. ::) The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).
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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious
Why? Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?
Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/
Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.
Is TikTok that different from Vine? There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though. IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.
Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.
You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.
I really don’t see how you’re addressing anything I said. Yes, I get my news from the West…am I supposed to get my news from China? If so, please let me know the outlet. From what I’ve gathered, news and the internet is heavily regulated by the government, so I don’t see how I’d get the unbiased truth there either.
Okay if the US was involved in opium, isn’t there some involvement with China and fentanyl flooding the US?
Is not China meddling in other countries affairs in a different way by using large infrastructure projects in Africa as a carrot to make them vote alongside them or, like in Honduras’s case, make them rejecting the autonomy of places like Taiwan?
Also, I think state sponsors hackers raising US corporations patents is a pretty significant case of meddling in other country’s affairs.
I have zero Sinophobia or think that China is some special kind of bogeyman. I do think that their defense always boils down to a bad faith version of “well you guys in the West were plundering, murdering assholes for so many years, why can’t we have our turn to do that now that we have global power”.
Everything you think you know about China is heavily spun propaganda, including all the points in your post.
So the Chinese government are blameless actors in all aspects of domestic and international affairs and don’t deserve any scrutiny? You don’t think that take is heavily spun propaganda from the Chinese government?
They deserve scrutiny but they're getting the majority of it because they are the US's number one rival at the moment. There are bad things happening in every country but the US's attention is not on them because they are not competitors. Even if China was guilty of everything the US says it is, what does it matter to the US? The US has so many problems to deal with but instead it's directing everyone's anger toward CHYNUH.
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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.
do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time ;D Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore
I also love that Vine is seen to be good and tiktok bad and they’re both the same. It’s just conveniently disguised sinophobia and yellow peril bullshit, as always the american people proves to be most propagandised in the world ::)
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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.
do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time ;D Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore
I also love that Vine is seen to be good and tiktok bad and they’re both the same. It’s just conveniently disguised sinophobia and yellow peril bullshit, as always the american people proves to be most propagandised in the world ::)
I actually do expect that the people who care enough to comment on congressional hearings to also be able to recognize that they are being lied to and that the interests of working Americans are not served by ratcheting up tension with China in order to create another Cold War. But yes, it’s hard to deny to effectiveness of American propaganda.
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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.
do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time ;D Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore
I also love that Vine is seen to be good and tiktok bad and they’re both the same. It’s just conveniently disguised sinophobia and yellow peril bullshit, as always the american people proves to be most propagandised in the world ::)
I actually do expect that the people who care enough to comment on congressional hearings to also be able to recognize that they are being lied to and that the interests of working Americans are not served by ratcheting up tension with China in order to create another Cold War. But yes, it’s hard to deny to effectiveness of American propaganda.
reminds me of a quote read in a book from the 80s about soviet realism, a researcher on symbols or language saying that in the USSR propaganda was immediately obvious and easy to spot while in the US and co it was much harder to spot. They also talked about the famed « experts » journalists seem to find for almost any topic and point out the bullshit of it all. Circular reporting is also mentioned i think, considering that phenomenon kickstarted the stupid china genocide claims based on one evangelical nut from austria i’d say things havent changed too much.
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https://twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1640496874846138372
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Hilariously China doesn’t punish citizens for VPN usage, just some occasional bellicose rhetoric about going after the providers when they do something which upsets the government.
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do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time ;D Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore
Aren't you the guy who basically said the world should give Putin what he wants and that it is all NATOs fault that Putin invaded Ukraine? Galaxy brain
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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.
do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time ;D Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore
I also love that Vine is seen to be good and tiktok bad and they’re both the same. It’s just conveniently disguised sinophobia and yellow peril bullshit, as always the american people proves to be most propagandised in the world ::)
Out of curiosity, where do all posters who are free from US/West’s propaganda machine reside?
American politics and their people do not have a monolithic stance towards China. Thinking that is likely a product of whatever propaganda you claim to be free from. I’d say the vast majority of Americans don’t really feel any great alarm or threat about China. Russia/Putin, North Korea, and to a much lesser extent Iran takes those places. The voices that seem to get amplified to you wherever you’re from are often fringe Republicans, hardly encompassing the zeitgeist over here.
I’m all in favor in keeping a beady eye on all technologies. I know everyone has personal anecdotes about how the algorithm hasn’t affected them at all, but as 2016 showed us in America and in Britain with Brexit, social media can be weaponized when it needs to be in ways that are often subtle and like in both those cases are likely targeting less discerning individuals
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Posting some examples of the way the Western media spins things about China
China is "dystopian" for rooting out CIA assets
(https://i.ibb.co/w0Jfx61/5012-E8-F8-5-E13-42-AA-8-EDB-6-BDC27-E91925.jpg)
The NYTimes discovers that China is using hamster ovaries for its vaccines. How weird!
(https://i.ibb.co/F5L7W3V/32-A41-D9-D-269-B-4782-8-C4-F-69654-E8-D8654.jpg)
Except that it's standard practice and when scientists point it out, NYTimes changes the headline for the article, though the original Tweet about it remains. Pointing it out at all was strange and implied something was unorthodox about it.
(https://i.ibb.co/1TK1T75/2-F537-FD2-1163-4-D1-D-9-C3-D-C1-FA50-E9-F214.jpg)
China is curing cancer too fast
(https://i.ibb.co/56KWm2s/6-B192188-E5-EA-468-F-98-FA-2-D20-A0-C52-BFD.jpg)
And headlines that ask "But at what cost?" when it comes to anything good China does have become a running joke
(https://i.ibb.co/SKkkhvK/182-A66-FB-3782-4014-959-E-B167-B9-B72-B80.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ttycb17/B184-D05-F-3-BA0-40-E6-A292-86-DBD4873-FE6.jpg)
They also love putting a grayish filter on any pics of China to make it look bleak and depressing, and centering security or cops in the frame to make it look super authoritarian.
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Tik Tok:
(https://i.ibb.co/sjnRfdQ/Mh-Il-ZLB4-SM6-Wpq5du-Tjg-j2-0.gif) (https://ibb.co/jhmfNPG)
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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."
I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.
It's kind of astounding how Americans have repeatedly been lied to to manufacture consent for wars. They realize it after the fact, such as the invasion of Iraq, then completely forget it happened, or they think "THIS TIME they're telling us the truth."
Kind of a leap from discussing a ban of a social media app to manufacturing pretext for a war, no?
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https://twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1640496874846138372
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Hilariously China doesn’t punish citizens for VPN usage, just some occasional bellicose rhetoric about going after the providers when they do something which upsets the government.
It's always projection.
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Just so we know the stats on the Iraq War support:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/03/14/a-look-back-at-how-fear-and-false-beliefs-bolstered-u-s-public-support-for-war-in-iraq/
Looking back at the stats, it is amazing how many people believed Iraq was behind 9/11. I remember this being a thing and thinking, "How the fuck are adults so dumb?"
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An article from VICE (https://archive.ph/xeyIX]=https://archive.ph/xeyIX]https://archive.ph/xeyIX (http://=https://archive.ph/xeyIX)) seems to suggest that there won’t be penalties for individual users:
Rachel Cohen, communications director for Senator Warner, responded by telling Motherboard in an email “This legislation is aimed squarely at companies like Kaspersky, Huawei and TikTok that create systemic risks to the United States’ national security—not at individual users.” She added “The threshold for criminal penalty in this bill is incredibly high—too high to ever be concerned with the actions of someone an individual user of TikTok or a VPN.”
though of course that’s still not good, and the article also notes that the RESTRICT act is extremely broad, so in the future things may change. honestly it’ll be interesting to see how VPN companies deal with not being legally allowed to let users access banned foreign apps or even media, especially as they aren’t just for Americans. like, does NordVPN just issue a blanket ban on never letting people access TikTok in any country? could you even do that? somebody who knows about computers would have to tell me how feasible it would be
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An article from VICE (https://archive.ph/xeyIX]=https://archive.ph/xeyIX]https://archive.ph/xeyIX (http://=https://archive.ph/xeyIX)) seems to suggest that there won’t be penalties for individual users:
Rachel Cohen, communications director for Senator Warner, responded by telling Motherboard in an email “This legislation is aimed squarely at companies like Kaspersky, Huawei and TikTok that create systemic risks to the United States’ national security—not at individual users.” She added “The threshold for criminal penalty in this bill is incredibly high—too high to ever be concerned with the actions of someone an individual user of TikTok or a VPN.”
though of course that’s still not good, and the article also notes that the RESTRICT act is extremely broad, so in the future things may change. honestly it’ll be interesting to see how VPN companies deal with not being legally allowed to let users access banned foreign apps or even media, especially as they aren’t just for Americans. like, does NordVPN just issue a blanket ban on never letting people access TikTok in any country? could you even do that? somebody who knows about computers would have to tell me how feasible it would be
Oh good, the government promises they won’t use it maliciously. Well then that settles that: I don’t know what everyone was so worried about.
As for your question, yes it would be trivial for Nord or other VPNs operating legally within the US to ban traffic to TikTok (or whoever else is the enemy of the month). They would comply immediately. I’m sure there will be ways around it using VPNs outside of the US, which is part of the reason why they’re threatening 20 years in prison and a million dollar fine for circumventing their draconian law.
But it’s all good because China is our greatest adversary! After the TikTok ban, the CCP is sure to fall as living standards in the US jump to 1956 levels.
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setting aside all the debates here: look into the actual proposals to regulate tiktok. they have a bunch of additional material thats basically designed to enable censorship of other social media in the future. tiktok is just a convenient boogeyman. the real goal is a deeper level of control. cool stuff!
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setting aside all the debates here: look into the actual proposals to regulate tiktok. they have a bunch of additional material thats basically designed to enable censorship of other social media in the future. tiktok is just a convenient boogeyman. the real goal is a deeper level of control. cool stuff!
When has that ever happened?! (https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ56/PLAW-107publ56.htm)
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I’d be so embarrassed if I was one of those nerds on reddit spamming that the chinese government prosecutes people for going on youtube with no proof and then this happens lmfao
Also starting to feel like VPN’s aren’t that useful…
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Also starting to feel like VPN’s aren’t that useful…
VPNs can be useful if you want your traffic to appear as though it's originating from another region in order to circumvent restrictions, but "anonymizing" VPNs are a scam.
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Also starting to feel like VPN’s aren’t that useful…
VPNs can be useful if you want your traffic to appear as though it's originating from another region in order to circumvent restrictions, but "anonymizing" VPNs are a scam.
VPN ads feel shady as fuck now, they really seem to sell this idea of complete anonymity to average joes like me, I dont even bother because if my country’s intelligence service wants to fuck my shit up they will.
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Also starting to feel like VPN’s aren’t that useful…
VPNs can be useful if you want your traffic to appear as though it's originating from another region in order to circumvent restrictions, but "anonymizing" VPNs are a scam.
VPN ads feel shady as fuck now, they really seem to sell this idea of complete anonymity to average joes like me, I dont even bother because if my country’s intelligence service wants to fuck my shit up they will.
It has been obvious since the feds took down the Silk Road that there's absolutely no such thing as anonymous web traffic.
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Also starting to feel like VPN’s aren’t that useful…
VPNs can be useful if you want your traffic to appear as though it's originating from another region in order to circumvent restrictions, but "anonymizing" VPNs are a scam.
VPN ads feel shady as fuck now, they really seem to sell this idea of complete anonymity to average joes like me, I dont even bother because if my country’s intelligence service wants to fuck my shit up they will.
It has been obvious since the feds took down the Silk Road that there's absolutely no such thing as anonymous web traffic.
been that way since external modems...you can always trace a phone line, depending on how good a hacker you are you can probably just keep bouncing the trace
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I think no one in this thread, including me, actually knows what the fuck we’re talking about because we’re all so thoroughly inundated with propaganda from one side or the other and the whole thing is so muddled that we’re just basically guessing at the innerworkings of this fucking thing.
None of us really knows how this app works or what’s going on with the data and who gets it or how much psychological conditioning is going on.
People pick their side and then dig their heels in and start looking for ways to own the opposition. Normally logical people start bringing up some shit about stolen tea recipes that happened 200 ago.
If it’s banned or not, one group of very rich, powerful, likely evil, people we will never meet or another will win. Meanwhile all of us are bickering with each other as if it could possibly make any kind of difference.
I’m sure no one has read this far, but for those against a ban, hypothetically, would you continue being against it if you knew for a fact that the worst-case scenario was happening: Mass syphoning and weaponizing of data, theft of IP and confidential info, an extensive, massive, orchestrated psychological warfare campaign… would you still be against the ban or would you change your mind?
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I’m sure no one has read this far, but for those against a ban, hypothetically, would you continue being against it if you knew for a fact that the worst-case scenario was happening: Mass syphoning and weaponizing of data, theft of IP and confidential info, an extensive, massive, orchestrated psychological warfare campaign… would you still be against the ban or would you change your mind?
I would if Facebook instagram and every other trash that does everything you listed was also banned but that wont happen won't it because they're US apps ::)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYKia4xykE&t=5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYKia4xykE&t=5s)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYKia4xykE&t=5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYKia4xykE&t=5s)
yeah I'd rather shoot my balls than watch anything published by a US cable network
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYKia4xykE&t=5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYKia4xykE&t=5s)
yeah I'd rather shoot my balls than watch anything published by a US cable network
You’re in luck. CBS isn’t a cable network
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Normally logical people start bringing up some shit about stolen tea recipes that happened 200 ago.
This is really minimizing what happened. It's the equivalent of someone stealing Chardonnay, or Parmesan, or Scotch whisky, things that are all made a certain way in a certain region and get special protections because of it. It wasn't just a "recipe" but a whole industry that was ripped off. And it wasn't the only thing. Technological innovations such as printing, paper and gunpowder that nowadays get labeled as "intellectual property" with patents and other protections were as well.
Also, as far as TikTok's innovations go, it's the usability of the app and algorithms that set it apart. Tech innovations these days are often incremental refinements of existing technology, and not big leaps where something entirely new is created. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc., were not entirely new ideas but their implementation of those ideas is what set them apart. Same thing with the iPhone. Apple didn't invent the idea of a handheld tablet phone but brought to market the version that became popular.
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Normally logical people start bringing up some shit about stolen tea recipes that happened 200 ago.
This is really minimizing what happened. It's the equivalent of someone stealing Chardonnay, or Parmesan, or Scotch whisky, things that are all made a certain way in a certain region and get special protections because of it. It wasn't just a "recipe" but a whole industry that was ripped off. And it wasn't the only thing. Technological innovations such as printing, paper and gunpowder that nowadays get labeled as "intellectual property" with patents and other protections were as well.
Also, as far as TikTok's innovations go, it's the usability of the app and algorithms that set it apart. Tech innovations these days are often incremental refinements of existing technology, and not big leaps where something entirely new is created. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc., were not entirely new ideas but their implementation of those ideas is what set them apart. Same thing with the iPhone. Apple didn't invent the idea of a handheld tablet phone but brought to market the version that became popular.
But what about the patents state sponsored hackers are swiping from US companies? Is that just anti-China propaganda that it’s happening or just a make good
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I don't understand what you people are even arguing about anymore. You're all backtracking now, forced to acknowledge that China isn't the enemy of the average Slap poster, so now what - "well, we are all propagandized" and "what if they did this?"
Yeah, none of us know the whole truth, that's the nature of reality and of living in a mediated society; but a good baseline assumption is that the ruling class of the west, who would seem to prefer a final apocalyptic confrontation with China rather than lose dollar hegemony, are not people to be listened to or trusted.
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one ez way to steal patents is if the country that holds them outsources their whole industrial base and sends them to you so you can make their shit
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Normally logical people start bringing up some shit about stolen tea recipes that happened 200 ago.
This is really minimizing what happened. It's the equivalent of someone stealing Chardonnay, or Parmesan, or Scotch whisky, things that are all made a certain way in a certain region and get special protections because of it. It wasn't just a "recipe" but a whole industry that was ripped off. And it wasn't the only thing. Technological innovations such as printing, paper and gunpowder that nowadays get labeled as "intellectual property" with patents and other protections were as well.
Also, as far as TikTok's innovations go, it's the usability of the app and algorithms that set it apart. Tech innovations these days are often incremental refinements of existing technology, and not big leaps where something entirely new is created. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc., were not entirely new ideas but their implementation of those ideas is what set them apart. Same thing with the iPhone. Apple didn't invent the idea of a handheld tablet phone but brought to market the version that became popular.
But what about the patents state sponsored hackers are swiping from US companies? Is that just anti-China propaganda that it’s happening or just a make good
What about that? How is that relevant to this conversation, or to your argument? The Restrict Act would not in any whatsoever affect Chinese hackers - this is literally an entirely separate issue. Not to mention that the US dismantled our manufacturing base and sent it to China - of course they know our trade secrets.
And what do you think the NSA is doing? Why do you think they spent several billion dollars building the Utah Data Center? Did everyone just completely forget about the Snowden leaks, or did they decide that the CIA and NSA - who faced absolutely no penalty for their gross violation of US law - just decided to clean up their act?
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I don't understand what you people are even arguing about anymore. You're all backtracking now, forced to acknowledge that China isn't the enemy of the average Slap poster, so now what - "well, we are all propagandized" and "what if they did this?"
Yeah, none of us know the whole truth, that's the nature of reality and of living in a mediated society; but a good baseline assumption is that the ruling class of the west, who would seem to prefer a final apocalyptic confrontation with China rather than lose dollar hegemony, are not people to be listened to or trusted.
ding ding ding we have a winner
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Normally logical people start bringing up some shit about stolen tea recipes that happened 200 ago.
This is really minimizing what happened. It's the equivalent of someone stealing Chardonnay, or Parmesan, or Scotch whisky, things that are all made a certain way in a certain region and get special protections because of it. It wasn't just a "recipe" but a whole industry that was ripped off. And it wasn't the only thing. Technological innovations such as printing, paper and gunpowder that nowadays get labeled as "intellectual property" with patents and other protections were as well.
Also, as far as TikTok's innovations go, it's the usability of the app and algorithms that set it apart. Tech innovations these days are often incremental refinements of existing technology, and not big leaps where something entirely new is created. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc., were not entirely new ideas but their implementation of those ideas is what set them apart. Same thing with the iPhone. Apple didn't invent the idea of a handheld tablet phone but brought to market the version that became popular.
But what about the patents state sponsored hackers are swiping from US companies? Is that just anti-China propaganda that it’s happening or just a make good
What about that? How is that relevant to this conversation, or to your argument? The Restrict Act would not in any whatsoever affect Chinese hackers - this is literally an entirely separate issue. Not to mention that the US dismantled our manufacturing base and sent it to China - of course they know our trade secrets.
And what do you think the NSA is doing? Why do you think they spent several billion dollars building the Utah Data Center? Did everyone just completely forget about the Snowden leaks, or did they decide that the CIA and NSA - who faced absolutely no penalty for their gross violation of US law - just decided to clean up their act?
Modern Patent theft compared to the original convo of stealing tea IP
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I wouldn't say it's about making good or exacting revenge but that the entire system is predicated on this ridiculous idea of "invention" that favors those who did all the stealing early on then put in place a system of "intellectual property" protection that has created a massive imbalance in wealth and the way resources flow.
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I wouldn't say it's about making good or exacting revenge but that the entire system is predicated on this ridiculous idea of "invention" that favors those who did all the stealing early on then put in place a system of "intellectual property" protection that has created a massive imbalance in wealth and the way resources flow.
hah yup, that's why Hollywood is the center of moviemaking. It was far enough away from Edison, his patents, and his "patent enforcers" that they could do what they wanted.
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I wouldn't say it's about making good or exacting revenge but that the entire system is predicated on this ridiculous idea of "invention" that favors those who did all the stealing early on then put in place a system of "intellectual property" protection that has created a massive imbalance in wealth and the way resources flow.
hah yup, that's why Hollywood is the center of moviemaking. It was far enough away from Edison, his patents, and his "patent enforcers" that they could do what they wanted.
Some of my distant relatives were actually early Hollywood movers and shakers (nothing major, not MGM or anything), and the family story was that the winters in the LES were too much like the life they left behind in the shtetl. Someone came back to New York with a story about how it was 65° all winter in Los Angeles and anyone with two shekels to rub together went with them. Except for my family, who decided to go to Knoxville and open a general store.
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I wouldn't say it's about making good or exacting revenge but that the entire system is predicated on this ridiculous idea of "invention" that favors those who did all the stealing early on then put in place a system of "intellectual property" protection that has created a massive imbalance in wealth and the way resources flow.
hah yup, that's why Hollywood is the center of moviemaking. It was far enough away from Edison, his patents, and his "patent enforcers" that they could do what they wanted.
Some of my distant relatives were actually early Hollywood movers and shakers (nothing major, not MGM or anything), and the family story was that the winters in the LES were too much like the life they left behind in the shtetl. Someone came back to New York with a story about how it was 65° all winter in Los Angeles and anyone with two shekels to rub together went with them. Except for my family, who decided to go to Knoxville and open a general store.
that's really interesting. I know Hollywood was founded by a surprising amount of Hungarian Jews, but I think that might be a little southeastern to be shtetl country.
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I’m an artist (3D animation) and I loathe IP, it protects nothing and is often used to abuse us and rob us of our work, yet the rubes defending this affront to god somehow always bring up “b-but what about the creatoooors???” which is borderline manipulation based on emotional response “how dare they steal from a poor struggling artist!!”
In reality if IP disappeared I could learn to use a myriad of software that is simply unaccessible to me right now, and even if I cracked them they have specific methods to track you down and demande orbitant payments to force you to settle out of court even though all you wanted was to learn how to create god rays in NukeX or another compositing soft. This applies to pretty much anything really.
And this is why I think Tik Tok got so popular so fast, it places a lot of emphasis on sharing and recycling other people’s content, most of what I see from there is people reacting to other people, or duos, groups of people doing shit together thousands of kms appart. Its pretty cool imo and goes against the walled garden system IP enforces.
I could write fuckin pages about IP, usually it makes me so angry I need to vent how stupid that system is until I stop making sense, spent a lot of time trying to unwrap how it works for artists and individuals.
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i.p. daily
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bcgB0d4deE
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I’m an artist (3D animation) and I loathe IP, it protects nothing and is often used to abuse us and rob us of our work, yet the rubes defending this affront to god somehow always bring up “b-but what about the creatoooors???” which is borderline manipulation based on emotional response “how dare they steal from a poor struggling artist!!”
In reality if IP disappeared I could learn to use a myriad of software that is simply unaccessible to me right now, and even if I cracked them they have specific methods to track you down and demande orbitant payments to force you to settle out of court even though all you wanted was to learn how to create god rays in NukeX or another compositing soft. This applies to pretty much anything really.
And this is why I think Tik Tok got so popular so fast, it places a lot of emphasis on sharing and recycling other people’s content, most of what I see from there is people reacting to other people, or duos, groups of people doing shit together thousands of kms appart. Its pretty cool imo and goes against the walled garden system IP enforces.
I could write fuckin pages about IP, usually it makes me so angry I need to vent how stupid that system is until I stop making sense, spent a lot of time trying to unwrap how it works for artists and individuals.
when I started taking art classes in the late 90s, the first thing the teacher said was to be careful about leaving works or portfolios in the studio because people were stealing other peoples art. Kind has always been the issue in the art world...its worse with music, im hearing kids getting sued now because older artist only assume kids these days only sample or take their musical "likeness".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBECYh72oYU
Even though I still involve myself heavily in art, the amount of content that i post is nearly zero, its one of the things that bugs me about art now is how its easily replicatable(sp?) online
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Have you guys checked out the wording in the restrict act? It's basically the patriot act 2.0. I've called all my state reps about it, but we need a lot of people speaking up. It would give the government access to everything you've ever done online, as well as access to all of your devices, including ring doorbell, roomba, literally anything connected to your wifi. There's a ton of tik tok kids mobilizing at the moment to protest, but the bill currently has bipartisan support in the senate and looks like it's going to be fast tracked. McCarthy has said that he wants to ban tik tok so it may get support in the house as well. The time to speak up is now.
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Have you guys checked out the wording in the restrict act? It's basically the patriot act 2.0.
I ended up reading a lot of essays and studies on the 2nd irak war years in the US and the climate there right now seems eerily similar to an outsider like me
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Have you guys checked out the wording in the restrict act? It's basically the patriot act 2.0.
I ended up reading a lot of essays and studies on the 2nd irak war years in the US and the climate there right now seems eerily similar to an outsider like me
The same people are trying, mostly with Russia, but also with China, to whip us into a wild bloodlust, but the world is too different a place. There's no trust in elite institutions, there's no massive terrorist attack, no one except the most credulous liberal rubes believes anything the media says. A big concern among US elites is that America could decide to throw the next war and no one will show up.
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Arent like 70% of americans unfit for the army anyways?
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Meh. who cares.