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Didn’t see any threads talking about these trucks. Heard all the guff about these and decided to try them out - anyone put some miles on em yet?
Coming from Ace AF1s, first thing I noticed was the kingpin clearance isn’t great and it’ll likely melt the nut/kingpin together like other Indy’s I’ve ridden.
Swapped the bushings for some harder ones and I’m enjoying the ride so far, but curious if anyone has had any bad luck with them off rip.
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Didn’t see any threads talking about these trucks. Heard all the guff about these and decided to try them out - anyone put some miles on em yet?
Coming from Ace AF1s, first thing I noticed was the kingpin clearance isn’t great and it’ll likely melt the nut/kingpin together like other Indy’s I’ve ridden.
Swapped the bushings for some harder ones and I’m enjoying the ride so far, but curious if anyone has had any bad luck with them off rip.
The all inclusive Indy thread is here, with quite a few similar stories and other relevant information, although it is mixed in with all the other various stages, styles, etc.
Well worth a look:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0
There are 45 pages in total but the Stage 4 reissue stuff is from about page 40, with a lot here, page 43:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.1260
Hope that helps.
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Didn’t see any threads talking about these trucks. Heard all the guff about these and decided to try them out - anyone put some miles on em yet?
Coming from Ace AF1s, first thing I noticed was the kingpin clearance isn’t great and it’ll likely melt the nut/kingpin together like other Indy’s I’ve ridden.
Swapped the bushings for some harder ones and I’m enjoying the ride so far, but curious if anyone has had any bad luck with them off rip.
The all inclusive Indy thread is here, with quite a few similar stories and other relevant information, although it is mixed in with all the other various stages, styles, etc.
Well worth a look:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0
There are 45 pages in total but the Stage 4 reissue stuff is from about page 40, with a lot here, page 43:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.1260
Hope that helps.
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what a nice guy that @Mbrimson88
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I'm fighting not to buy. I need them super badly. I can't afford shit at the moment.
Also I'm sure all the big sized ones will be sold out
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Didn’t see any threads talking about these trucks. Heard all the guff about these and decided to try them out - anyone put some miles on em yet?
Coming from Ace AF1s, first thing I noticed was the kingpin clearance isn’t great and it’ll likely melt the nut/kingpin together like other Indy’s I’ve ridden.
Swapped the bushings for some harder ones and I’m enjoying the ride so far, but curious if anyone has had any bad luck with them off rip.
The all inclusive Indy thread is here, with quite a few similar stories and other relevant information, although it is mixed in with all the other various stages, styles, etc.
Well worth a look:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0
There are 45 pages in total but the Stage 4 reissue stuff is from about page 40, with a lot here, page 43:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.1260
Hope that helps.
:)
thanks @Mbrimson88 !
thats a strange way of discussing all types of trucks under one brand - i only made this thread since the stage IVs seem to be causing significant hoopla.
I'm fighting not to buy. I need them super badly. I can't afford shit at the moment.
Also I'm sure all the big sized ones will be sold out
they're worth a go like any other truck, i have no grievances other than the kingping issue which i just swapped for one of their down low baseplate/kingpin combo. great truck now.
also curious why they chose the 136/146/151/166 sizing - gonna assume they are some ancient indy measurements
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Thanks for starting this thread! It's hard sifting through the Indy thread for information.
Yes I think the sizing may have been the original sizing for these trucks? I know Indy jumped around a fair bit before settling on the standard 149,159,169 etc sizing increments.
I love my Stage IV 166's. I'm coming from Ace classics. I feel aren't quite as responsive in the way that they are not as "twitchy" as Ace. They are more stable at centre and I feel the turn is deeper and more "carvy". Some of this might be because they are 2mm higher. The bushings offer a lot of rebound - I can pump better on these than my Ace. I'm getting less wheelbite - probably due to the height difference. I noticed that my kingpin nut took a bit of a beating - they don't have as much kingpin clearance as my Aces but they grind just as well if not better.
I'd love it if they came out with a 177 size for my big boards and maybe an inverted KP version. I can see these replacing my Ace trucks permanently when they die.
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love my pair of 151s. perfect performing trucks, no break in whatsoever. hope indy keeps them around and does drop these occasionally again. i'd like to get a backup pair at some point, but most of them are gone now and they were hard to acquire anyways, since many shops only sold them in store and only advertised them online.
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love my pair of 151s. perfect performing trucks, no break in whatsoever. hope indy keeps them around and does drop these occasionally again. i'd like to get a backup pair at some point, but most of them are gone now and they were hard to acquire anyways, since many shops only sold them in store and only advertised them online.
Seen that SoCal had about ten sets on deck, 42 on the set?
I too really fucking love mine. That snap back to center is awesome. Feel great in hand and grind wonderful. Can’t speak to the bushings as I put 88a Supercush in mine.
If they’re only gonna be a round a bit I’ll be picking another set to put in the fridge.
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love my pair of 151s. perfect performing trucks, no break in whatsoever. hope indy keeps them around and does drop these occasionally again. i'd like to get a backup pair at some point, but most of them are gone now and they were hard to acquire anyways, since many shops only sold them in store and only advertised them online.
Seen that SoCal had about ten sets on deck, 42 on the set?
I too really fucking love mine. That snap back to center is awesome. Feel great in hand and grind wonderful. Can’t speak to the bushings as I put 88a Supercush in mine.
If they’re only gonna be a round a bit I’ll be picking another set to put in the fridge.
I posted this in the main Indy thread, but it is relevant here:
Re Stage 4 trucks
I thought they were coming in as a standard line, with NHS bringing them out on their own online store this or next month, from what others had said.
As I haven't really followed them as they barely made it out here to Australia (only a few people got a set or two) and the main release is still yet to happen here as per info from one of the bigger main shops, I am guessing there are going to be a whole lot more of them soon enough.
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Yeah, I believe they’re coming out as a regular model in the coming months
Either way, I stocked up on a whole bunch of sets.
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I wrangled w/ the urge to stick up on these in case they were a brief historic burp on the overall skate hardware timeline, but came to some peace after deciding that there is simply no way Indy would pay to have molds made up for these things if they weren’t planning on running them for at least a couple of production cycles.
Way I figure: this buys me a little time to decide if they are “the truck for me” before I stock up for the rest of ever.
What are the other SLAP user’s thoughts on stockpiling in the possible event your fave product has a short lived privation life span?
I wrestle with this hoarding ideology everytime I discover a product I love.
It happens to me w/ deck & wheel shapes on the regs.
Trucks are a lickle bit more “glacial” in the movement of their production timelines, but I find myself wondering sometimes: should I have picked up an extra set, or twelve, of these things while they’re still being made?!?
Your thoughts, please.
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I wrangled w/ the urge to stick up on these in case they were a brief historic burp on the overall skate hardware timeline, but came to some peace after deciding that there is simply no way Indy would pay to have molds made up for these things if they weren’t planning on running them for at least a couple of production cycles.
Way I figure: this buys me a little time to decide if they are “the truck for me” before I stock up for the rest of ever.
What are the other SLAP user’s thoughts on stockpiling in the possible event your fave product has a short lived privation life span?
I wrestle with this hoarding ideology everytime I discover a product I love.
It happens to me w/ deck & wheel shapes on the regs.
Trucks are a lickle bit more “glacial” in the movement of their production timelines, but I find myself wondering sometimes: should I have picked up an extra set, or twelve, of these things while they’re still being made?!?
Your thoughts, please.
Stock up whenever in doubt. Especially if you can afford to do so.
That’s what I always do, and you can always resell should you decide to move on any particular item.
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i think i have already asked but any news on about when they are going to be released in europe ?
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i think i have already asked but any news on about when they are going to be released in europe ?
already have been and mostly sold out. they went to core shops only afaik. so no way to buy them at skatedeluxe. was lucky enough to purchase a pair from freedom skateshop from austria. maybe check their site if they have any left. let's hope for a swift rerelease! it seems they sold fairly well.
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I wrangled w/ the urge to stick up on these in case they were a brief historic burp on the overall skate hardware timeline, but came to some peace after deciding that there is simply no way Indy would pay to have molds made up for these things if they weren’t planning on running them for at least a couple of production cycles.
Way I figure: this buys me a little time to decide if they are “the truck for me” before I stock up for the rest of ever.
What are the other SLAP user’s thoughts on stockpiling in the possible event your fave product has a short lived privation life span?
I wrestle with this hoarding ideology everytime I discover a product I love.
It happens to me w/ deck & wheel shapes on the regs.
Trucks are a lickle bit more “glacial” in the movement of their production timelines, but I find myself wondering sometimes: should I have picked up an extra set, or twelve, of these things while they’re still being made?!?
Your thoughts, please.
This is how you end up as one of the posters in 'gear madness' thread with stacks of shit you'll never skate. One extra pair, sure, but more than that is insane.
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I wrangled w/ the urge to stick up on these in case they were a brief historic burp on the overall skate hardware timeline, but came to some peace after deciding that there is simply no way Indy would pay to have molds made up for these things if they weren’t planning on running them for at least a couple of production cycles.
Way I figure: this buys me a little time to decide if they are “the truck for me” before I stock up for the rest of ever.
What are the other SLAP user’s thoughts on stockpiling in the possible event your fave product has a short lived privation life span?
I wrestle with this hoarding ideology everytime I discover a product I love.
It happens to me w/ deck & wheel shapes on the regs.
Trucks are a lickle bit more “glacial” in the movement of their production timelines, but I find myself wondering sometimes: should I have picked up an extra set, or twelve, of these things while they’re still being made?!?
Your thoughts, please.
This is how you end up as one of the posters in 'gear madness' thread with stacks of shit you'll never skate. One extra pair, sure, but more than that is insane.
Ha yeah, been there, done that...
But really trucks last the longest, so in 2017 when I saw Standard 144s finally came out, I tried one set, thought they were great and got a few more after I had skated these ones for a while, but I didn't go out and get ten sets all at once at first. That came later.
Now I am on 149s and can't see that changing any time soon, so I have more than enough to never need trucks again.
It doesn't help I still have boards of all sizes set up and backups of all sizes of trucks too, but I am interested in seeing these Stage 4 when they come out, but not keen enough to change over everything and if I do end up with one set, it will be for a cruiser board more than anything.
After all I still have Stage 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 trucks on boards as well, almost all cruisers, given nothing performs for me as well as Stage 11 for everything and I have Ace trucks if I really want a lot of turn, so all bases are covered really.
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I love them. But my only gripe but not serious cause I’m a little poosey boi
The bushings, they are a different size and they are loosey goosey like aces but they do have better stability than aces
The trucks are solid though. Remind me a lot of krux k3(the ones from early 2000-like 2010 until they came out with the worse version the k4)
I tested the hangars to fit on some ikp baseplates and they fit with the stage 4 bushings but I didn’t check with the normal stage 11 bushings(go figure)
Overall I prefer these over the regular stage 11 so I hope they keep a run going for some time. Hopefully they come out with harder bushings too. I threw in some random white bushings that are similar in size(I think they’re stock aces or krux bushings, the top bushing has that extra lip) and they have more rebound than the stock red actually so ima stick with these for now or man up and break in the stock
Be really cool if they come out with a gc hollow version, I’d take 2 of 136 and 146
Edit: I really like the mid 144 cause lower and easier to pop but it’s crazy these are taller but I like them most of the Indy line. Maybe cause of the single wing and being solid piece with no innovations. Just a old solid truck, built tough.
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Seems like hollow KPs and Hangers on the Stage 4 defeats the point of a retro truck. If you want all the modern fixings get a stage 11.
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Seems like hollow KPs and Hangers on the Stage 4 defeats the point of a retro truck. If you want all the modern fixings get a stage 11.
Hollow kingpins and hangers on a Stage 4 retro truck could enhance performance and provide customization options without detracting from its nostalgic charm. Embracing modern features doesn't defeat the purpose but rather adds versatility and improved functionality to the skateboard. While I personally find no issue with the weight of my trucks, Some of my friends have expressed concerns about them being too heavy. My intention is simply to share my enthusiasm for Indys and have my friends appreciate them as well, without feeling burdened by the weight. I want them to experience Indys and discover the unique benefits they offer, beyond any initial perceptions of weight.... I just want my friends to stop skating Krux. Its embarrassing. Jokes. lol
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Yeah, I see what your saying but disagree. They wouldn't be stage 4s if they had all those modern features. They'd be a tasteless eyesore.
Enjoy the 4s for what they are. A great turning, low KP clearance, beast of truck and nod to the past.
Then do yourself a favor and get some Ace once you're over the retrospection.
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Yeah, I see what your saying but disagree. They wouldn't be stage 4s if they had all those modern features. They'd be a tasteless eyesore.
Enjoy the 4s for what they are. A great turning, low KP clearance, beast of truck and nod to the past.
Then do yourself a favor and get some Ace once you're over the retrospection.
I am one of the top kooks from the trucks thread, I’ve already bought all of the aces
To me, they’re kinda over rated
Yeah they can maneuver fast, turn quick and mostly deep for you freaks who like it loose
But they aren’t stable at all, unlike the stage 4 which maybe turn a slight slower than aces but they turn deeper and have better stability
I’ve had the 44 reg and low and the 33 regular and ordered the hard bushings from ace themselves just the bushings, i actually have 3 pairs maybe 4th somewhere of ace 44 and 2 pairs of 33 and I have some classics and gave away a set to my friend
I really wanted to ride the hype train and be a pilot but for the life of me the kingpin is too long, the geo is too loose, I can never tighten them enough til I’m kooking it with like 4-5 threads exposed, and half of my lands I’m swerving into wheelbite and go airborn, I’m not an Indy die hard spouting F the rest but with all the trucks I’ve tried so far I like these stage 4 better than aces
I personally think thunders are the best trucks but they’re always on and off for me, some days I’m Bryan Herman and tre flips and hard flips are nothing and other days I feel that pushed out wheelbase making me rocket pop and I give up
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Yeah, I see what your saying but disagree. They wouldn't be stage 4s if they had all those modern features. They'd be a tasteless eyesore.
Enjoy the 4s for what they are. A great turning, low KP clearance, beast of truck and nod to the past.
Then do yourself a favor and get some Ace once you're over the retrospection.
In my book Stage IV outperform Ace in every single way. I don't think I can go back to my Ace trucks after experiencing the carve of these guys.
I'm stocking up on another set of these for fear they sell out again or if they are a flash in the pan and Indy stop making them. I've hit up Brad from Riptide - he's thinking about making Stage IV pivots but thinks they may just be a reissue and gone by next week..
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Yeah, I see what your saying but disagree. They wouldn't be stage 4s if they had all those modern features. They'd be a tasteless eyesore.
Enjoy the 4s for what they are. A great turning, low KP clearance, beast of truck and nod to the past.
Then do yourself a favor and get some Ace once you're over the retrospection.
In my book Stage IV outperform Ace in every single way. I don't think I can go back to my Ace trucks after experiencing the carve of these guys.
I'm stocking up on another set of these for fear they sell out again or if they are a flash in the pan and Indy stop making them. I've hit up Brad from Riptide - he's thinking about making Stage IV pivots but thinks they may just be a reissue and gone by next week..
Your scaring me, I really like these throwbacks
Might have to stock an extra set too then
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Yeah, I see what your saying but disagree. They wouldn't be stage 4s if they had all those modern features. They'd be a tasteless eyesore.
Enjoy the 4s for what they are. A great turning, low KP clearance, beast of truck and nod to the past.
Then do yourself a favor and get some Ace once you're over the retrospection.
In my book Stage IV outperform Ace in every single way. I don't think I can go back to my Ace trucks after experiencing the carve of these guys.
I'm stocking up on another set of these for fear they sell out again or if they are a flash in the pan and Indy stop making them. I've hit up Brad from Riptide - he's thinking about making Stage IV pivots but thinks they may just be a reissue and gone by next week..
i put regular indy riptides pivots in my 4's and they worked great.
i also prefer stage 4's over af-1 & classics. if indy would just drop some weight off them, they'd be perfect imo.
i'm riding boards with classic 66's & af1 77's, thinking about d.i.y-ing some 215's down to 9.5" and just being done with ace's. i have a couple boards that need 9.5" trucks.
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Nice. I tried the regulars and they aren't a match - pretty loose. The riptide ace classic pivots are a better fit. I reckon if Brad gets enough requests to make exact moulds of the Stage IV he would do it. It's been done before ;)
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The folks at riptide are great people and they've always sorted me out when I rip the pivots but I'm done with them for that reason, they're no different than Ace classic or AF1 pivots, I rip them all to shreds from slappies in a short amount of time. Those rock hard new China Indy pivot cups that come stock are the only ones that hold up for me, only downside is they are insanely squeaky and my usual solution of wax or beeswax chapstick doesn't last long until it comes back. Whereas other pivot cups it keeps the squeak away for quite awhile.
Regarding stage 4's I agree with some others that they actually turn even better than Ace's but I had to use Ace medium bushings to get them that way. I found the stock red bushings to totally suck and not respond hardly at all. I had the 146's and they felt like I was riding 159 standards, really heavy trucks and I usually never really care that much about weight but I really felt a difference being on Ace 44's forever now. I sold them on here and don't really have any madness creeping in telling me to get them again.
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Didn’t see any threads talking about these trucks. Heard all the guff about these and decided to try them out - anyone put some miles on em yet?
Coming from Ace AF1s, first thing I noticed was the kingpin clearance isn’t great and it’ll likely melt the nut/kingpin together like other Indy’s I’ve ridden.
Swapped the bushings for some harder ones and I’m enjoying the ride so far, but curious if anyone has had any bad luck with them off rip.
The all inclusive Indy thread is here, with quite a few similar stories and other relevant information, although it is mixed in with all the other various stages, styles, etc.
Well worth a look:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0
There are 45 pages in total but the Stage 4 reissue stuff is from about page 40, with a lot here, page 43:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.1260
Hope that helps.
:)
Silly, but posts like this are why I love this community. It would’ve been easy (and in my case, tempting) to point out the robust search function and give a dude some guff. Instead you responded with class and patience. You’re gonna be my first gnar (assuming the board is still here in 2030 when I can finally gnar)
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Thought this could go here as well.
Does anyone know where I can find size 149 (8.5) stage 4 indys? I think Im a little late to the stage 4 release as i can't really find them that easy.
The Stage 4 reissues only came out in certain sizes, so not 149 exactly, but the 146 (8.375) or 151 (8.625) are the closest width to 149s.
If you like your trucks to sit under a bit, go the 146 size, or if you like the extra width go the 151s.
I usually put three washers on the inside of all my 149s so the wider ones would be good for me, more transition based, whereas others who prefer a no extra washer setup could ride the 146 size and be happy.
Hope that helps.
Anyone chasing certain sizes could fit into one or other category, but I saw this little chart while looking just then, so I think it would be easiest to post here as well.
(https://i.ibb.co/GMH9kHP/Indy-STage-4-reissue-info.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R6jNPjH)
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Official replacement bushings aren't out yet, right ?
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Official replacement bushings aren't out yet, right ?
They're pitching them on their Instagram right now, but I don't know if they are yet shipping to stores.
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Just got some of the Blue 92s from the NHS website, they're listed as "original" cushions
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Can't see myself wanting harder bushings in these. The stock reds are hard enough as is once broken in. If anything they need an 88a option.
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Can't see myself wanting harder bushings in these. The stock reds are hard enough as is once broken in. If anything they need an 88a option.
I do love the stock Reds so much, they're basically perfect as is, but I can't help wondering if the Blues would hold up better against the New England crust and eventual cold weather I have to deal with
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Official replacement bushings aren't out yet, right ?
They're pitching them on their Instagram right now, but I don't know if they are yet shipping to stores.
Thanks for the info.
Had to go check them out:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CusOQgLPP7o/?img_index=1
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Thought this should go here as well, given people in the comments of that post didn't know the Stage 4 bushings were different heights to the current Stage 11 and similar trucks.
It definitely feels better with a taller bottom bushing in there, but you can get away with a lower top to loosen them up more or get the kingpin nut down lower if clearance is an issue.
From the Indy thread:
Please accept my apologies in advance if this is redundant info, but I'm sharing here for posterity's sake in case such imagery hasn't already been propagated in this here thread.
I pulled the the bushings from a new (as in: not yet compressed) Stage IVs and tossed 'em into the ol' digi-cal.
Here's what we got...
(https://i.ibb.co/1XzFNCp/Stage-IV-Barrel.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n1PxyXV)
(https://i.ibb.co/Db7CtXL/Stage-IV-Cone.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j5LMTKH)
Make with this info what you will, and again, my sorries if this is old news, rewarmed.
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Official replacement bushings aren't out yet, right ?
They're pitching them on their Instagram right now, but I don't know if they are yet shipping to stores.
Oh excellent, thanks! Will cop
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Official replacement bushings aren't out yet, right ?
They're pitching them on their Instagram right now, but I don't know if they are yet shipping to stores.
thanks
kinda strange they call 90A soft / 92A medium / 94A hard
while for stage 11 they call 90A medium / 92A medium hard / 94A hard
some consistency never hurts
thanks @Mbrimson88 as always
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Official replacement bushings aren't out yet, right ?
They're pitching them on their Instagram right now, but I don't know if they are yet shipping to stores.
thanks
kinda strange they call 90A soft / 92A medium / 94A hard
while for stage 11 they call 90A medium / 92A medium hard / 94A hard
some consistency never hurts
thanks @Mbrimson88 as always
This was from a while ago, but oddly enough we were the last ones talking in this thread too!
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I tried all the Aces — Classic 44, af1 hollow 55 and 66, af1 low 44. I tried with standard, hard (low) and bones medium and hard bushings lol. They are generally good but unstable (harder bushings help). Cool to ride, but difficult too and scary at higher speeds
Stock independent stage 4 are better for me in every way, except for the weight. Those things are big and heavy.
They rebound harder, similar to Thunders. They prevent me from getting wheelbite, like they rebound really hard at the extremes.
I think if Independent would make a forged hollow stage IV, it would be the best truck for me.
I don’t like Stage 11 (although they are better with Bones bushings and I need to check them out with Ace washers).
I like Thunders but not in necessarily in bowls 🤷🏻
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Thought this should go here as well, given people in the comments of that post didn't know the Stage 4 bushings were different heights to the current Stage 11 and similar trucks.
It definitely feels better with a taller bottom bushing in there, but you can get away with a lower top to loosen them up more or get the kingpin nut down lower if clearance is an issue.
From the Indy thread:
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Please accept my apologies in advance if this is redundant info, but I'm sharing here for posterity's sake in case such imagery hasn't already been propagated in this here thread.
I pulled the the bushings from a new (as in: not yet compressed) Stage IVs and tossed 'em into the ol' digi-cal.
Here's what we got...
(https://i.ibb.co/1XzFNCp/Stage-IV-Barrel.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n1PxyXV)
(https://i.ibb.co/Db7CtXL/Stage-IV-Cone.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j5LMTKH)
Make with this info what you will, and again, my sorries if this is old news, rewarmed.
Thanks for the info, I had no idea. I was actually about to put in the soft white bushings soon—I don’t have calipers, anyone know the height difference?
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Thought this should go here as well, given people in the comments of that post didn't know the Stage 4 bushings were different heights to the current Stage 11 and similar trucks.
It definitely feels better with a taller bottom bushing in there, but you can get away with a lower top to loosen them up more or get the kingpin nut down lower if clearance is an issue.
From the Indy thread:
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Please accept my apologies in advance if this is redundant info, but I'm sharing here for posterity's sake in case such imagery hasn't already been propagated in this here thread.
I pulled the the bushings from a new (as in: not yet compressed) Stage IVs and tossed 'em into the ol' digi-cal.
Here's what we got...
Make with this info what you will, and again, my sorries if this is old news, rewarmed.
Thanks for the info, I had no idea. I was actually about to put in the soft white bushings soon—I don’t have calipers, anyone know the height difference?
This was from a while back, with the Stage 4 bushings added before anyone had the correct measurements:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3874036;topicseen#msg3874036
Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Indy Stage 4
Total 27 mm
Top 12.5 mm
Bottom 14.5 mm
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Thanks for the info, I had no idea. I was actually about to put in the soft white bushings soon—I don’t have calipers, anyone know the height difference?
Not to go on about it, but I just posted this too in the "Questions" thread which might also help:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg4094544#msg4094544
What would you use in Indys 215 ?
It's supposed to be a Stage IV but before the recent Stage IV reissue there was no stage IV specific bushings (which are a bit different than stage XI bushings). As a result we had to go for what was available i.e. stage XI bushings.
Does somebody knows 215 bushings dimensions ?
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Do Ace bushings fit in the Indy Stage 4's/215's?
That was one answer in the "Questions" thread.
The set of 215s I have that didn't come with stock bushings worked really well with the older (and way taller) aftermarket Indy bushings, which barely fit in normal Indy trucks at the time, but that also depends on someone having some left over bushings from way back then, so that doesn't really help now.
There are the black aftermarkets that are slightly taller in the bottom cylinder shape, which do fit, which also feel ok with the nut flush, so they are not so tight but still have a firmer base, if that makes sense.
At least Indy have released their own Stage 4 bushings in the three options, but if they are not in your country yet (as per most of the world I think) then as Jake said above, Ace bushings being taller should work fairly well too.
Somewhere in the Indy thread, or even in the Indy Stage 4 thread, people had posted the bushings and measurements, which I can't find right this minute, but from someone sending it directly to me, this is about what they were:
Top 12.5 mm tall
Bottom 14.5 to 15 mm tall
That said, two people I know who ride 215s are in the ultra loose truck category, so they both have a cut job from any other bushings, so I guess you could still run any normal set of bushings in them and they will still work ok, going by what they do with their trucks.
I tried a few options, including some of the dreaded aftermarket red 88s mainly because I can't find a happy home for them, so although they worked ok, they weren't what I would be putting in those trucks any time soon.
Indy thread:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.1650
Indy Stage 4 thread:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=126174.0
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I'm excited that Riptide is making Stage 4 pivot cups. Brad said possibly even bushings too. I'm guessing the bushings will fit Ace as well?
The Stage 4 with Riptide pivots and bushings would be dreamy. I wonder how many of you have tried their bushings.
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I'm guessing the bushings will fit Ace as well?
Sceptical about that. I tried fitting in Bones bushings into Stage IV. They work fine with Ace but don’t work with Stage IV they feel too small. So
I guess Stage IV bushings will be too big for Aces?
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I hated those stock red bushings when I tried the 4's in the 146 size. Bought a pack of Ace mediums and the trucks came to life with an insane turn, like even better than Ace's no fuckin joke. I think the bottom bushing was slightly shorter than the stocks but it didn't make the hanger sit weird or anything, and I'm super OCD on that type of thing. Highly recommend the combo, only reason I didn't stick with em is how heavy they were and also the kingpin clearance is next to nothing.
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I'm guessing the bushings will fit Ace as well?
Sceptical about that. I tried fitting in Bones bushings into Stage IV. They work fine with Ace but don’t work with Stage IV they feel too small. So
I guess Stage IV bushings will be too big for Aces?
For some reason I thought the bushings were round about the same size. Perhaps the Stage 4 bottom bushings are a bit taller, will check. I had heard of people swapping them out and I did the same for a short time initially. It felt a bit off to me and I grew to like the standard red bushings.
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I'm guessing the bushings will fit Ace as well?
Sceptical about that. I tried fitting in Bones bushings into Stage IV. They work fine with Ace but don’t work with Stage IV they feel too small. So
I guess Stage IV bushings will be too big for Aces?
For some reason I thought the bushings were round about the same size. Perhaps the Stage 4 bottom bushings are a bit taller, will check. I had heard of people swapping them out and I did the same for a short time initially. It felt a bit off to me and I grew to like the standard red bushings.
It works fine. Stage 4 bushings and Ace bushings are functionally similar in height. Ace bushings work well in Stage 4s, too.
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Can't see myself wanting harder bushings in these. The stock reds are hard enough as is once broken in. If anything they need an 88a option.
I do love the stock Reds so much, they're basically perfect as is, but I can't help wondering if the Blues would hold up better against the New England crust and eventual cold weather I have to deal with
If it's the same as the regular blue 92s they harden up a little when it's really cold but as long as it's above 35 or so I've never had an issue. Only bushings I've had actually freeze on me are thunder (in extreme conditions) and Film (in a stiff breeze) but it's slightly terrifying when it happens. Feels like you're on a sled with wheels. As far as durability goes they're fine too, about the same as every other Indy bushing I've run save for the old injection molded ones which would occasionally crumble. If they're machined (concentric circles on the bottom) I wouldn't worry about running them in winter.
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My first real skatebloarding truck.
Belonged to my cousin Bones. After he died my auntie Judy got them by way of the Clean crew and gave me them in 1986.
Has anyone who's riddin the original compared them to the new?
If you can remember plz lmk. Cuz I remember. This is the truck that birthed my addiction to loose trucks
Also hey kids look at these old risers. Now that's comfort
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Just got a pair a few days ago 166s
Already set them up sorry.
Really liking them after a day or two.
(https://i.ibb.co/tXYM8h1/IMG-20231024-131817.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tXYM8h1)
(https://i.ibb.co/d4rzNhb/IMG-20231024-131823.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d4rzNhb)
(https://i.ibb.co/jHNFKZV/IMG-20231024-131828.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHNFKZV)
(https://i.ibb.co/3mL5YgS/IMG-20231024-131846.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3mL5YgS)
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(https://i.ibb.co/7XvnwbW/IMG-20231020-153314-190.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G07WKF2)
(https://i.ibb.co/YWSbPVG/IMG-20231020-153322-330.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CtyWmSF)
(https://i.ibb.co/vB2dC87/IMG-20231020-153327-370.jpg) (https://ibb.co/59qjXVN)
(https://i.ibb.co/RbRxPFH/IMG-20231020-153331-282.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Pjq74LC)
(https://i.ibb.co/GCnB1pN/IMG-20231020-153333-385.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WBGqd5j)
(https://i.ibb.co/hs678sX/IMG-20231020-153359-060.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2q9nKq8)
My first real skatebloarding truck.
Belonged to my cousin Bones. After he died my auntie Judy got them by way of the Clean crew and gave me them in 1986.
Has anyone who's riddin the original compared them to the new?
If you can remember plz lmk. Cuz I remember. This is the truck that birthed my addiction to loose trucks
Also hey kids look at these old risers. Now that's comfort
Amazing. Were they painted at some point or are they just really manky?
Also looks like there is a less kingkin clearance on the original you have. It could be a perspective issue - looks like someone has put smaller later stage bushings in there..
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Amazing. Were they painted at some point or are they just really manky?
Also looks like there is a less kingkin clearance on the original you have. It could be a perspective issue - looks like someone has put smaller later stage bushings in there..
I feel like all the older Indy variants were not really designed with kingpin clearance in mind, so there was none, pretty much zero from day one. Then as the bushings compressed with wear people would tighten the kingpin nut down more and more, as it was often not even thought of to go buy replacement bushings. For some, the kingpins would stick up a lot more like that, so everyone had to grind down the kingpins or swap them out for shorter ones, just to keep them going, or just leave them as is and deal with the kingpin hitting if the trucks did touch concrete. Also recall seeing lots of people cutting down bushings just to make them fit as the trucks were grinded down, which then changed the geometry of the trucks, but at least they still worked.
Pretty amazing how far things have come now, but the main priority back then was a truck that turned and didn't break too easily - that was to say Tracker didn't turn and Bennett trucks broke way back in the early days of Indy late 70s, if I recall that correctly. Fairly simple in theory, but as people were not replacing things anywhere near as often as everyone does and has done for twenty plus years, you had to have something that would hold up a little better, so by Stage 4 early to mid 80s, things were looking pretty good.
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Amazing. Were they painted at some point or are they just really manky?
Also looks like there is a less kingkin clearance on the original you have. It could be a perspective issue - looks like someone has put smaller later stage bushings in there..
I feel like all the older Indy variants were not really designed with kingpin clearance in mind, so there was none, pretty much zero from day one. Then as the bushings compressed with wear people would tighten the kingpin nut down more and more, as it was often not even thought of to go buy replacement bushings. For some, the kingpins would stick up a lot more like that, so everyone had to grind down the kingpins or swap them out for shorter ones, just to keep them going, or just leave them as is and deal with the kingpin hitting if the trucks did touch concrete. Also recall seeing lots of people cutting down bushings just to make them fit as the trucks were grinded down, which then changed the geometry of the trucks, but at least they still worked.
Pretty amazing how far things have come now, but the main priority back then was a truck that turned and didn't break too easily - that was to say Tracker didn't turn and Bennett trucks broke way back in the early days of Indy late 70s, if I recall that correctly. Fairly simple in theory, but as people were not replacing things anywhere near as often as everyone does and has done for twenty plus years, you had to have something that would hold up a little better, so by Stage 4 early to mid 80s, things were looking pretty good.
Thanks for your knowledge! I'm really interested in the evolution of skateboarding and skateboard gear!
I'm also very sold on these trucks. I got back into skating after a long hiatus. It's been a blast. I may be admitting kookdom here but... In recent years I became a keen surfer and a couple years ago I started surf-skating to improve my form and keep in shape over winter. Started riding bowls on Carver trucks and then moved to Ace trucks for stability and versatility around the coping. When I tried these Stage 4 Indy's I found they were more stable than Ace but with an even deeper, more satisfying surfy turn.
I have been using Riptide pivots and bushings in most of my loose and surfy bowl setups, they've made a huge improvement. Brad is in the process of making bushings and pivots to match these Stage 4's. I'm sure they will be available soon..