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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: TROPICS on May 09, 2007, 08:38:05 PM
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from the June 2007 Skateboard Mag Silas Baxter-Neil interview:
'Q: I heard Joe Castrucci used to send you outfits so you didn't dress like a person.
A: Joe would send me medium t-shirts instead of large t-shirts and he gave me a pair of his old pants on Christmas. He and Brandon are both so fucking picky about that shit. It's annoying, but they didn't do that Jamie Thomas shit where they pick out my bandanas and pants and band t-shirts and tell me I had to wear them. Most of the shirts that Joe would send me ended up at Buffalo Exchange anyway.
Q: Did you used to wear big gear or something?
A: Not big gear, but I still wear large t-shirts. I never really spent alot of money buying clothes or anything like that, so I just kind of got what I got in a box of clothing. I wasn't that into fashion, I didn't really care that much. I didn't put that much effort ito it.'
That's so fucking bad. As we know, Renaud was never down for the jazzbo-sophisticate vibe they tried to market him as, and Wenning left partially because he was disappointed in Habitat's deevolution from an archetypal unrefined, come-as-you-are East Coast company into some trite v-neck tee, cords, pivot-to-fakie bullshit.
Especially taking into consideration what Hill had to say in the AWS section of Cliver's 'Disposed' book about their purpose and goals as not only a company but as people, DNA has unmistakably lost alot of their credibility over the last few years, and not just because of arguably shitty team additions; the Workshop has gone from genuine, expressive ART with Memory Screen to 'artsy', the ultimate and most valid put-down in skateboarding. At least James could marginally rationalize his Chris Cole bullshit on here, being that for better or worse, Cole was receptive and seemingly by his own opinion sort of lost in life outside of skateboarding. So he currently looks like a buff 14-year-old who has 'rap sux' whiteout graffiti on his backpack and makes up fake metal bands, but at least he's 'found himself' and cutting loose, courtesy of I SUCK!
I mean, honestly, personally speaking, I'm not even really a fan of Silas' skating, which while 'very, very good', is for me the one legit connection to (the hackneyed modern) Habitat. That said, I'm a huge fucking fan of the fact that he seems to be a dude with a good head on his shoulders who's just going to do himself, regardless of marketability and personality flare. That's what truly matters, and that's some real pro shit. Yeah DNA, 'Kill Trend Continuum', totally.
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ha ha ha
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Interesting. Will there be a 100 page thread to follow? Tune in kids, only Joe knows for sure...
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sorry to be the one to tell you but thats what skateboarding is like nowadays. its 60% image 40% talent
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True. Once again, " I love it so much, I want it to die" -Jason Jessee
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yea skateboarding is pimp out nowadays image is what its about . nah i didnt ever read the post im to 8)
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80% image
15% talent
5% spots you skate
its the dumb shit era
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80% image
15% talent
5% spots you skate
its the dumb shit era
your right I take my numbers back lol
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I'd say sending shirts a size smaller than you normally wear and sending you the whole kit are two different things. There is no way that Castrucci is worse than Jamie, even though I do agree what he's doing is weak.
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how does sending silas a different size tee shirt turn into a rant about how skateboarding is all about marketability?
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Damn dawg! I like how he doesn't give a fuck about being black balled or nothin'. Personally, I really detest any riders that currently, or used to belong to the 'new Powell', but he's earned my respect.
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I'm waiting for nomad to post in here since he works for alien/habitat.
Enlighten us.
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he has to send him shirts anyway for his sponsorship and has to choose a size anyway, so he sends him a few sizes smaller to teach him a funny lesson as a friend, not a big deal
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80% image
15% talent
5% spots you skate
its the dumb shit era
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I'm not buying the idea that there is a 'uniform' or something like that going on at Habitat. The team guys seem really close and a lot of teams aren't like that these days. It could just be an inside joke that's gone wrong. Either way I don't think sending a guy a smaller shirt instead of a larger one constitutes some grand marketing scheme. I personally like to see teams that have some connection between the guys. Would it be marketing if Habitat didn't put on a metal guy just because he wears tight pants? That's reaching. I think the team riders have to in some way reflect the company. Most of the Girl/Chocolate guys dress similarly and it makes them seem like a more cohesive team for some reason. If you had a team, you'd probably pick guys that reflect ideals of the company you're trying to do. No?
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I'm waiting for nomad to post in here since he works for alien/habitat.
Enlighten us.
nomad is bill danforth, he doesn't give a shit about clothes or any of that, he pushes mongo.
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he was always the odd man out on alva.
seriously though check out the guys posts.
he always knows the tidbits of info going on at dna dist.
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I'd say sending shirts a size smaller than you normally wear and sending you the whole kit are two different things. There is no way that Castrucci is worse than Jamie, even though I do agree what he's doing is weak.
Dude, bro you totally got me all wrong.
You hate me, cool. But you can't rewrite the past and make it happen the way your preferred it to give you more of a reason to hate me. I never sent the dude outfits, kits or told him what to wear. One Ozzy Osbourne t-shirt, but I guess you only read, hear or believe what you want.
I don't know castrucci from adam, but everyone teases someone for something and that looks like what's going on in the interview, but we should get excited and read between the lines and if necessary add stuff between the lines...it's our right or better yet, our duty.
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much respect to you jamie.... haters are gonna hate, they have nothing better to do
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from the June 2007 Skateboard Mag Silas Baxter-Neil interview:
'Q: I heard Joe Castrucci used to send you outfits so you didn't dress like a person.
A: Joe would send me medium t-shirts instead of large t-shirts and he gave me a pair of his old pants on Christmas. He and Brandon are both so fucking picky about that shit. It's annoying, but they didn't do that Jamie Thomas shit where they pick out my bandanas and pants and band t-shirts and tell me I had to wear them. Most of the shirts that Joe would send me ended up at Buffalo Exchange anyway.
Q: Did you used to wear big gear or something?
A: Not big gear, but I still wear large t-shirts. I never really spent alot of money buying clothes or anything like that, so I just kind of got what I got in a box of clothing. I wasn't that into fashion, I didn't really care that much. I didn't put that much effort ito it.'
That's so fucking bad. As we know, Renaud was never down for the jazzbo-sophisticate vibe they tried to market him as, and Wenning left partially because he was disappointed in Habitat's deevolution from an archetypal unrefined, come-as-you-are East Coast company into the some trite v-neck tee, cords, pivot-to-fakie bullshit.
Especially taking into consideration what Hill had to say in the AWS section of Cliver's 'Disposed' book about their purpose and goals as not only a company but as people, DNA has unmistakably lost alot of their credibility over the last few years, and not just because of arguably shitty team additions; the Workshop has gone from genuine, expressive ART with Memory Screen to 'artsy', the ultimate and most valid put-down in skateboarding. At least James could marginally rationalize his Chris Cole bullshit on here, being that for better or worse, Cole was receptive and seemingly by his own opinion sort of lost in life outside of skateboarding. So, he currently looks like a buff 14-year-old who has 'rap sux' whiteout graffiti on his backpack and makes up fake metal bands; at least he's 'found himself' and cutting loose, courtesy of I SUCK!
I mean, honestly, personally speaking I'm not even really a fan of Silas' skating, which while 'very, very good', is for me the one legit connection to (the hackneyed modern) Habitat. That said, I'm a huge fucking fan of the fact that he seems to be a dude with a damn good head on his shoulders who's just going to do himself, regardless of marketability and personality flare. That's what truly matters, and that's some real pro shit. Yeah DNA, 'Kill Trend Continuum', totally.
Well said, and its funny that people want to believe it's not about image because they like habitat. I like habitat as well but you cant ignore that the entire video everyone will be basically wearing the same gear. I remember SBN's shit from the Powell day's he wasn't wearing huge clothes or anything like that and its fucking hilarious that that Castrucci would think a large is too big
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JAMIES STILL WORSE
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i think it's been obvious tht habitat is pretty serious about their 'image control', all the shots in regal road of them climbing trees and examining leaves and stuff, janoski's image has changed a lot since he got on too but dictating t-shirt size is pretty fucking gay, that's on some og powell shit.
i still think the most cynical and horrible marketing device in skating is crailtap.com
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elaborate
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nice tropics post
also your theory has some credibility, however i raise you one fred gall, who does not giveth a fuck
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so you got a new mag, read it, and this is all you have to say about it? something is seriously wrong with skateboarding.
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so you got a new mag, read it, and this is all you have to say about it? something is seriously wrong with skateboarding.
Well put.
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So, even though Renaud was a dirtbag on tour, the real reason he got kicked off was for not wearing the correct t shirt?
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ummm how do you know wenning left because of that shit? you are so full of it, just making it up.
his mouth
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So, even though Renaud was a dirtbag on tour, the real reason he got kicked off was for not wearing the correct t shirt?
that's not what I said
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so you got a new mag, read it, and this is all you have to say about it? something is seriously wrong with skateboarding.
Well put.
Oh yeah, the 'Rick Howard: NICE CROOKED GRIND, PG. 153' thread is gelling nicely.
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habitat still has a solid squad. marketable or not.
but habitat as a company... has fallen the fuck off.
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ummm how do you know wenning left because of that shit? you are so full of it, just making it up.
HA!
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AWS and Habitat = still are two of the raddest companies in skateboarding
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ummm how do you know wenning left because of that shit? you are so full of it, just making it up.
and then i bet the next thing he said was "and thats why i got on plan b because they definitely do not have a wack image."
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ummm how do you know wenning left because of that shit? you are so full of it, just making it up.
and then i bet the next thing he said was "and thats why i got on plan b because they definitely do not have a wack image."
well, if he's going to skate for a "wack" company, why not get paid?
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JAMIES STILL WORSE
Yeah, thanks dude, I'm winning!!
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Man this shit is getting pretty tired. Is it such a suprise to everybody that there is a marketing plan behind this big money skateboard companies? Get a fucking clue.
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Yeah, thanks dude, I'm winning!!
This is actually my first post since they changed the forum over, but I just had to ask...
Hey Jamie, is your Abe Lincoln avatar supposed to be some kind of 'Honest Abe' subliminal (or otherwise) reference, or do you have a particular fondness for the state of Illinois?
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This is actually my first post since they changed the forum over, but I just had to ask...
Hey Jamie, is your Abe Lincoln avatar supposed to be some kind of 'Honest Abe' subliminal (or otherwise) reference, or do you have a particular fondness for the state of Illinois?
wow what a shitty question. whats your follow up, the hidden meaning behind the spread on his morning toast?
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AWS and Habitat = still are two of the raddest companies in skateboarding
ha.
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This is actually my first post since they changed the forum over, but I just had to ask...
Hey Jamie, is your Abe Lincoln avatar supposed to be some kind of 'Honest Abe' subliminal (or otherwise) reference, or do you have a particular fondness for the state of Illinois?
wow what a shitty question. whats your follow up, the hidden meaning behind the spread on his morning toast?
Thank you Jamie Thomas's mother for your "banger" first post....
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alien workshop has fallen the fuck off. they have alot to prove
as for habitat, they're still pretty legit..I'm real stoked for the video and everyone on the team..curtis rapp full part??!
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alien workshop has fallen the fuck off. they have alot to prove
as for habitat, they're still pretty legit..I'm real stoked for the video and everyone on the team..curtis rapp full part??!
your right about habitat, they'll always be legit, but explain to me and others how AWS has fallen off....
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alright, the adding of the little kids, some cali dudes and not doing much to keep anthony papalardo or don pendelton. alien just isn't what it used to be. maybe the video will change my mind, but until then I'm holding out
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my thoughts are this, every once in a while you have to tell your friend that they're not 13 any more and they should probably wear a shirt that fits.
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marketing is one thing... habitat dudes are just way too sensitive about having their little look they go for... danny was gangster b4 he got on, raymond was normal, now they all play acoustic guitars and wear tight pants... make sure your hair hangs sloppily-stylishly out the side of your knit beanie... how bout some plaid!
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marketing is one thing... habitat dudes are just way too sensitive about having their little look they go for... danny was gangster b4 he got on, raymond was normal, now they all play acoustic guitars and wear tight pants... make sure your hair hangs sloppily-stylishly out the side of your knit beanie... how bout some plaid!
Do you know these kids? Cause i assure you, Guru does not give a fuck.
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fred gall
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tropics, ur visceral hatred for all things DNA distribution is always entertaining
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Appleyard knew what was up when he quit, people thought that was wack, but now look at habitat.
Also skating is 80 % image if you only have 15% talent. If you are 100% talented nothing else matters.
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talent is objective
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Appleyard knew what was up when he quit, people thought that was wack, but now look at habitat.
Also skating is 80 % image if you only have 15% talent. If you are 100% talented nothing else matters.
yeah, cause flip is so much better.
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i thought tropics was a gigantic jason dill dikkk rider
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no way tropics loves shorty's
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no way, he likes austin stephens tehe
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Actually, Flip is so much better.
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not really at all..
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evryone is gay.
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agreed
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No Flip is way better. It's not even close. Tom Penny, Geoff Rowley, Rune, Ali, Arto and Mark Appleyard are all fucking legends. Habitat has some great skaters but Janowski and Garcia are the only two on the same level as those guys. Rob Puhlowski or Ed Selego? No fucking way. Not to mention Rodrigo Tex. and Bob now. I like both companies though but Habitat does have a somewhat manufactured image compared to flip's marketing off their rider's own style. But whatever its still Blitz distribution isn't it?
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marketing is one thing... habitat dudes are just way too sensitive about having their little look they go for... danny was gangster b4 he got on, raymond was normal, now they all play acoustic guitars and wear tight pants... make sure your hair hangs sloppily-stylishly out the side of your knit beanie... how bout some plaid!
danny was gangster?
youre a total fucking idiot.
anyone who thinks along the same lines as this fool can also consider themselves part of this not-so-elite crew.
take dannys 411 part with james craig for instance. he had a shaved head, rode for city starts and wore a little baggier pants.
does this qualify him as, "gangster"?
hardly.
that part was probably filmed in the late 90s, which, at the time that exact style was quite popular among the so cal skateboarders. that would also make it...lets say, 6 to 8 years ago.
if you dress the same way you did 6 years ago, youre in a complete state of arrested development.
people change, styles evolve. i am certainly not wearing the same clothes i was when i was 15.
dannys evolution was hardly overnight, so i fail to see whatever point you thought you had.
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Habitat does have a somewhat manufactured image compared to flip's marketing off their rider's own style
if manufacturing an image means dressing your team in tees and jeans, than sign me up for that campaign....
cuz anything's better than........
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now they all play acoustic guitars and wear tight pants.
Kerry Getz
Tim O'Connor
Guru Khalsa
Ed Selego
Fred Gall
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When Inhabitants comes out you will not care who is wearing what.
Off topic: Jamie do you make a Zero board in the size and shape Templetom rides?
Yeah, it's the Afterlife board with the angel of Death looking graphic.
8.25 x 32.5
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Yeah, thanks dude, I'm winning!!
This is actually my first post since they changed the forum over, but I just had to ask...
Hey Jamie, is your Abe Lincoln avatar supposed to be some kind of 'Honest Abe' subliminal (or otherwise) reference, or do you have a particular fondness for the state of Illinois?
Just down for Abe.
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marketing is one thing... habitat dudes are just way too sensitive about having their little look they go for... danny was gangster b4 he got on, raymond was normal, now they all play acoustic guitars and wear tight pants... make sure your hair hangs sloppily-stylishly out the side of your knit beanie... how bout some plaid!
Guru kills it!
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This is actually my first post since they changed the forum over, but I just had to ask...
Hey Jamie, is your Abe Lincoln avatar supposed to be some kind of 'Honest Abe' subliminal (or otherwise) reference, or do you have a particular fondness for the state of Illinois?
Just down for Abe.
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or perhaps he's really down for prime minister shinzo abe's harsh reforms on education and nationalism.
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This is actually my first post since they changed the forum over, but I just had to ask...
Hey Jamie, is your Abe Lincoln avatar supposed to be some kind of 'Honest Abe' subliminal (or otherwise) reference, or do you have a particular fondness for the state of Illinois?
Just down for Abe.
or perhaps he's really down for prime minister shinzo abe's harsh reforms on education and nationalism.
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Dang, you're smart!
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he smokes banana peals and listens to Yoko Ono.
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alot of the habitat dudes do dress exactly alike, earthtones.
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HAHAHAHAHA damn hellman that shark hat is too much
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pluhowski, was and is, the best skateboarder in my opinion.
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bring back vita shoes! the kaupas was awesome
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When Inhabitants comes out you will not care who is wearing what.
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When Inhabitants comes out you will not care who is wearing what.
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Well - this is pretty regular but everyone I know in the skateboard community has called me to check out this thread. I don't ordinarilly get on here but whatever, its too late now. It looks like 1500 people have been talking about this stupid topic so I'll clear it up. The Habitat team are pretty much all friends - shit gets joked about for years in tour vans and people run out of questions in interviews. I don't even remember where that shirt thing came from. Maybe I sent Silas of packages of medium tee's cause he's not tall or maybe it was for a trip and I know he wouldn't be washing shirts. Brennan and I are picky about skaters and footage, that is true. Who knows. It should be real obvious to everyone that there is no lame marketing involved with Habitat. Shit, there is one dude that does all in-house creative shit - I wish I had time to work on marketing the team. These guys all run whatever gear they want. The only control Habitat has is picking skaters that fit the identity of the brand. And don't forget Habitat is 7 years old, the look of the company will always be progressing. Anyway, check out the field log to see how much marketing and planning went into everyones outfits - especially Freddy. - Joe
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Leave Motorhead out of this. All they have ever done is make good rock and roll. And, I seriously doubt Lemmy has a marketing strategy besides Roweley hooking up that shoe. Just leave them alone...
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Well - this is pretty regular but everyone I know in the skateboard community has called me to check out this thread. I don't ordinarilly get on here but whatever, its too late now. It looks like 1500 people have been talking about this stupid topic so I'll clear it up. The Habitat team are pretty much all friends - shit gets joked about for years in tour vans and people run out of questions in interviews. I don't even remember where that shirt thing came from. Maybe I sent Silas of packages of medium tee's cause he's not tall or maybe it was for a trip and I know he wouldn't be washing shirts. Brennan and I are picky about skaters and footage, that is true. Who knows. It should be real obvious to everyone that there is no lame marketing involved with Habitat. Shit, there is one dude that does all in-house creative shit - I wish I had time to work on marketing the team. These guys all run whatever gear they want. The only control Habitat has is picking skaters that fit the identity of the brand. And don't forget Habitat is 7 years old, the look of the company will always be progressing. Anyway, check out the field log to see how much marketing and planning went into everyones outfits - especially Freddy. - Joe
Do these guys not realize that you lose all dignity when you're someone who is actually successful in the industry and then you come on here to defend yourselves to a group of 200 regular haters, 90% of which aren't doing anything productive with their lives??? Jamie first and now Joe... ya'll need to be like Jay-Z to these Cam'rons here...
And definitely leave Guru out of all this... that kid is the man!!!
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joe, reissue all the AWS slicks.
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oh and don't forget, joe had a pro on house arrest and still let him stay on. i don't think he gives a fuck about shirts, pants, etc..
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I don't lose respect for the guys that come on here to defend themselves, its good to get everyones side to the story instead of jumping on some hate bandwagon.
and I was just thinking about slicks the other day, a re-issue line would be sick.
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Well - this is pretty regular but everyone I know in the skateboard community has called me to check out this thread. I don't ordinarilly get on here but whatever, its too late now. It looks like 1500 people have been talking about this stupid topic so I'll clear it up. The Habitat team are pretty much all friends - shit gets joked about for years in tour vans and people run out of questions in interviews. I don't even remember where that shirt thing came from. Maybe I sent Silas of packages of medium tee's cause he's not tall or maybe it was for a trip and I know he wouldn't be washing shirts. Brennan and I are picky about skaters and footage, that is true. Who knows. It should be real obvious to everyone that there is no lame marketing involved with Habitat. Shit, there is one dude that does all in-house creative shit - I wish I had time to work on marketing the team. These guys all run whatever gear they want. The only control Habitat has is picking skaters that fit the identity of the brand. And don't forget Habitat is 7 years old, the look of the company will always be progressing. Anyway, check out the field log to see how much marketing and planning went into everyones outfits - especially Freddy. - Joe
Do these guys not realize that you lose all dignity when you're someone who is actually successful in the industry and then you come on here to defend yourselves to a group of 200 regular haters, 90% of which aren't doing anything productive with their lives??? Jamie first and now Joe... ya'll need to be like Jay-Z to these Cam'rons here...
And definitely leave Guru out of all this... that kid is the man!!!
See it's mentalities like this that are living in the stone ages. Every kid goes online to hear the new rumors or watch footage on youtube/google/fieldlogs whatever. As much as this place is full of "haters" it's also full of impressionable kids and industry head honcho's like jamie and joe. Not stopping by to share a different perspective only allows the supposedly unfounded rumors to grow. And besides i can honestly say that by Jamie coming here and sharing some experiences I've gained some insight and can appreciate where he came from and what he's accomplished even if i don't agree or support it. As much as some people downplay forums and there are alot of shitty ones that don;t matter, in the grand scheme of things slap gets checked more than any other and in the industry inner circle is considered where to go for the hot scoop or to leak some info.
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pluhowski, was and is, the best skateboarder in my opinion.
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CONGRATULATIONS SLAP! WE DID IT!
The Slap Forum: Fucking up your industry in '07.
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this is fucking great..................
joe, good job man, you run not just one, but two amazing companies.
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Well - this is pretty regular but everyone I know in the skateboard community has called me to check out this thread. I don't ordinarilly get on here but whatever, its too late now. It looks like 1500 people have been talking about this stupid topic so I'll clear it up. The Habitat team are pretty much all friends - shit gets joked about for years in tour vans and people run out of questions in interviews. I don't even remember where that shirt thing came from. Maybe I sent Silas of packages of medium tee's cause he's not tall or maybe it was for a trip and I know he wouldn't be washing shirts. Brennan and I are picky about skaters and footage, that is true. Who knows. It should be real obvious to everyone that there is no lame marketing involved with Habitat. Shit, there is one dude that does all in-house creative shit - I wish I had time to work on marketing the team. These guys all run whatever gear they want. The only control Habitat has is picking skaters that fit the identity of the brand. And don't forget Habitat is 7 years old, the look of the company will always be progressing. Anyway, check out the field log to see how much marketing and planning went into everyones outfits - especially Freddy. - Joe
It makes me laugh when I hear that everyone in the skate community actually comes to Slap to read about us 12 year olds bitch about skateboaring.
Habitat and Alien are both sick companys. Good work getting rid of Seek. That was just awful.
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Well - this is pretty regular but everyone I know in the skateboard community has called me to check out this thread. I don't ordinarilly get on here but whatever, its too late now. It looks like 1500 people have been talking about this stupid topic so I'll clear it up. The Habitat team are pretty much all friends - shit gets joked about for years in tour vans and people run out of questions in interviews. I don't even remember where that shirt thing came from. Maybe I sent Silas of packages of medium tee's cause he's not tall or maybe it was for a trip and I know he wouldn't be washing shirts. Brennan and I are picky about skaters and footage, that is true. Who knows. It should be real obvious to everyone that there is no lame marketing involved with Habitat. Shit, there is one dude that does all in-house creative shit - I wish I had time to work on marketing the team. These guys all run whatever gear they want. The only control Habitat has is picking skaters that fit the identity of the brand. And don't forget Habitat is 7 years old, the look of the company will always be progressing. Anyway, check out the field log to see how much marketing and planning went into everyones outfits - especially Freddy. - Joe
Do these guys not realize that you lose all dignity when you're someone who is actually successful in the industry and then you come on here to defend yourselves to a group of 200 regular haters, 90% of which aren't doing anything productive with their lives??? Jamie first and now Joe... ya'll need to be like Jay-Z to these Cam'rons here...
And definitely leave Guru out of all this... that kid is the man!!!
...damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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see castrucci agrees with me about fred gall
also, if i run slap, and slap runs the skateboarding industry, then i run the skateboarding industry
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Joe, fuck the haters. Habitat is one of the best companies in skating today.
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Agreed. Always been a fan of the skaters and the look of the company. Keep up the great work Joe!!!
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Agreed. Always been a fan of the skaters and the look of the company. Keep up the great work Joe!!!
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suckkkas.
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Funny you that can now say something uncomplementary about someone here and pretty much have it guaranteed that they'll hear about it/be posting on the board within the week.
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Funny you that can now say something uncomplementary about someone here and pretty much have it guaranteed that they'll hear about it/be posting on the board within the week.
Somewhere in Orange County, David Loy spits at his computer
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Habitat does have a somewhat manufactured image compared to flip's marketing off their rider's own style.
Hate to further this whole pre-fab company rumor thread, but have you ever looked at Appleyard's skating before and after he got on flip? He went from a tech ledge skater to hammer dropper instantly. I don't know if I have seen Appleyard skate a ledge that wasn't down a set of stairs or something since he got on flip, and you know he does. Flip seems lame like that to me. Oh yeah, Arto too.
As for alien/ habitat? They seem like a breath of fresh air in skateboarding. They pick up some of the most creative and subtly talented skateboarders around, and seem to let them do their thing. I mean, I fucking hated Dill's shit in Mosaic, but atleast they let him act like an ass like that, and a lot of people really liked it. Alien has Josh Kalis, Grant Taylor, and Jason Dill all on one team, thats a lot of variety. Habitat is cool like that too.
Who blamed Alien for losing Pendleton? I love his shit, and it embodies the aesthetic I knew of Alien growing up, but how the fuck were they gonna compete with Element's payroll dept.?
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naw...appleyard just started hanging out and skating w. rowley....it's not like fox sat him down....
you forgot dyrdek too....it's quite a mix....
man....it's amazing how much people read this shit...it's like on seinfeld...'they'll watch it because it's on t.v.!'
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Good work getting rid of Seek. That was just awful.
i dunno about calling Seek awful.....
dont forget that they had a rad team.....kalis, carolino, marfang
(http://www.giantstepsbooks.com/images/hats/K5504.jpg)
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naw...appleyard just started hanging out and skating w. rowley....it's not like fox sat him down....
you forgot dyrdek too....it's quite a mix....
man....it's amazing how much people read this shit...it's like on seinfeld...'they'll watch it because it's on t.v.!'
So all of them hang out with Rowley and are just suddenly disgusted by the idea of a ledge line? I'm still skeptical. Flip only seems two have two types of skaters: rail riders and vert dogs.
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Appleyard seems to just skate whatever's in front of him, most of his last ads have all been misc. tranny stuff. Good or bad, the people you hang out with influence you in some way. Hang out with rail dudes you're probably going to rails more often.
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hmmm, still no reaction to the raymond topic.
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when AWS lost pappalardo i was bummed.
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when the planes hit the building we were like; mmmm justice.
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hmmm, still no reaction to the raymond topic.
What was the Raymond topic?...I like the way that guy skates.
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Who blamed Alien for losing Pendleton? I love his shit, and it embodies the aesthetic I knew of Alien growing up, but how the fuck were they gonna compete with Element's payroll dept.?
Pendleton was out of Alien before he went to Element. Element didn't hire him away from Alien.
One of the worst things they have done, in my opinion. their new graphics are ok/crap, but would have been much better if they incorporated Don's work with it.
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whats with all of the flip hate all of a sudden
have you all lost your god damn minds?
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a. we're not 12
b. this is slap (cliches not needed)
c. again we're not 12.
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Habitat does have a somewhat manufactured image compared to flip's marketing off their rider's own style.
As for alien/ habitat? They seem like a breath of fresh air in skateboarding. They pick up some of the most creative and subtly talented skateboarders around, and seem to let them do their thing. I mean, I fucking hated Dill's shit in Mosaic, but atleast they let him act like an ass like that, and a lot of people really liked it. Alien has Josh Kalis, Grant Taylor, and Jason Dill all on one team, thats a lot of variety. Habitat is cool like that too.
Who blamed Alien for losing Pendleton? I love his shit, and it embodies the aesthetic I knew of Alien growing up, but how the fuck were they gonna compete with Element's payroll dept.?
"family company" but it's the truth, I know. it's funny, seeing element boards with decent graffics. it jumped out at me the other day on some brent board, then I remembered what happened w/ don...just out of curiosty, he didn't draw the three-headed bull AVE graffic did he?
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I just bought some Pendelton paintings. Dude's rad.
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workshop has been dogshit since they put on heath/berra.
habitat has gone to shit after pluhowski got the boot.
all in all both companies seem really corny these days.
pretty much, it wouldn't be hard to redeem themselves in my book
1. alien get half-way decent art again
2. sponsor rob and grab up danny again and make amends AS SOON as stereo goes under
3.dump berra and the kids
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Or you could call yourself Traffic and 5Boro, and go back to where you started being awesome.
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well that one could work too
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Is this the thread where randoms come in and say "Everything sucks!" to distract us from them being gaylords?
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80% image
15% talent
5% spots you skate
its the dumb shit era
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hmmm, still no reaction to the raymond topic.
What was the Raymond topic?...I like the way that guy skates.
skating is one thing. crying in a magazine about what people say on teh intarwebzz is another.
no doubt his skating is sick, but dude could've been the bigger man and not get into shit.
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Worse than Jamie?...
After all the good that Habitat and Alien Workshop has done over the years... Great team, great BRAND NAME... so consistent... and then Joe Castrucci gives one of the dudes some medium shirts and some pants... and pow...
Great reason... Great reason.
Beyond that, I still think this Jamie HATE... is a bit rediculous...
Habitat and Alien have been doing it right for years.
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i've always thought alien workshop was a goofy concept for a company, conspiracy type shit is always pretty corny. but they always had a good team and clean graphics so i haven't really questioned it.
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Worse than Jamie?...
After all the good that Habitat and Alien Workshop has done over the years... Great team, great BRAND NAME... so consistent... and then Joe Castrucci gives one of the dudes some medium shirts and some pants... and pow...
Great reason... Great reason.
Beyond that, I still think this Jamie HATE... is a bit rediculous...
Habitat and Alien have been doing it right for years.
well put!
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the videos they've been putting out for years are always something to look forward to.
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Worse than Jamie?...
After all the good that Habitat and Alien Workshop has done over the years... Great team, great BRAND NAME... so consistent... and then Joe Castrucci gives one of the dudes some medium shirts and some pants... and pow...
Great reason... Great reason.
Beyond that, I still think this Jamie HATE... is a bit rediculous...
Habitat and Alien have been doing it right for years.
well put!
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I argee with the clientele. repost.
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a. we're not 12
b. this is slap (cliches not needed)
c. again we're not 12.
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oh im sorry i forgot.. i post on slap.
which means i need to be down with everyone else.. gotta change my opinions here... I GOT IT!
only things i can like are the core shit right?
fuck off you follower.. flip is rad
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Rodrigo a rail rider/vert dog? Tom Penny skates gnarly rails too?
Eh. 2 out of 13 aint bad.
But what i really wanna see are some cellar doors.
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joe castrucci is one of the 5 people who film skateboarding good ever, who cares? why wouldnt you try to help your friends out of gross fads?
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joe castrucci is one of the 5 people who film skateboarding good ever, who cares? why wouldnt you try to help your friends out of gross fads?
Yea.
And TM (and other ppl in such position) tend to send packages to their riders in case you didn't know.
I don't get all this "Oh, my god once he sent M's to Silas" thing.
That's a part of an interview. It's not like the ultimate truth or anything.
This is just getting too fucking weird I'm telling you.
Use your heads ppl.
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i've always thought alien workshop was a goofy concept for a company, conspiracy type shit is always pretty corny. but they always had a good team and clean graphics so i haven't really questioned it.
Word. I always thought it was weird that the company is about Aliens and conspiracies and the dudes name who started it is Chris Carter, while around the same time, another guy named Chris Carter created The X-Files which is about aliens and conspiracies.
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joe castrucci is one of the 5 people who film skateboarding good ever, who cares? why wouldnt you try to help your friends out of gross fads?
Yea.
And TM (and other ppl in such position) tend to send packages to their riders in case you didn't know.
I don't get all this "Oh, my god once he sent M's to Silas" thing.
That's a part of an interview. It's not like the ultimate truth or anything.
This is just getting too fucking weird I'm telling you.
Use your heads ppl.
this is nothing compared to the whole "SLAP mods: WORSE than Jamie" Topic that was started after the mods sent out packages in order to try and get everyone to wear these....
(http://soundsofthecinema.blogspirit.com/images/medium_untitled.7.JPG)
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"The wind up and the pitch... oh my, Hellman got a hold of that one... it's going... going... it's outta here!!!"
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I'm actually wearing a pair of those in green and Sally replaced with "Uncle-Leeroy".
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i've always thought alien workshop was a goofy concept for a company, conspiracy type shit is always pretty corny. but they always had a good team and clean graphics so i haven't really questioned it.
Word. I always thought it was weird that the company is about Aliens and conspiracies and the dudes name who started it is Chris Carter, while around the same time, another guy named Chris Carter created The X-Files which is about aliens and conspiracies.
the x-files guy is one of the harshest dicks i've ever met....
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a. we're not 12
b. this is slap (cliches not needed)
c. again we're not 12.
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oh im sorry i forgot.. i post on slap.
which means i need to be down with everyone else.. gotta change my opinions here... I GOT IT!
only things i can like are the core shit right?
fuck off you follower.. flip is rad
Yeah I'm such a follower because I'm not down with lame contrived image driven companies who kick people off for almost no reason
flips team=rad
flip=sucks
theres a difference. nothing about the ads,graphics or image makes me even remotely care about them, obviously the team is the driving force. and french fred made sorry a masterpiece. don't mistake my opinion for bitterness, I'm just tired of iconic companies with no soul.
that and all the stories i've heard about jeremy fox make me not want to support them.
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Oh man O man.....been a while since I've been on, but felt the need when it comes to this....
1. Tropics leave these boards immediately
2. Joe Castrucci has done more for skateboarding than most.
3. I personally know he shows all his riders the upmost respect, and takes care of them very well, as well as everyone else behind the scenes.
4. Tropics, eat a dick and burp yourself after you swallow.
5. Never post again.
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really?
we need to attack people for having an opinion that may be plausible?
I remember the days of yore with alien workshop and that vibe has been gone for some time but it doesn't mean I can't stand the newer version.
There's nothing wrong with someone seeing an icon they once believed in ccrumbling and then voicing there thoughts on the subject.
And consistently Tropics manages to point out some interesting stuff.
Just because I don't agree with someone doesnt mean I need to ban them to exile.
Besides I thought the same thing when i read silas's interview, I'm glad Joe came by and cleared things up a little.
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AWS aside, if you havent met Joe or know what he does for his people, how you gonna call him out over some bullshit, if the dude acted like a douche or was a douche I could understand, but he's not. I accept dudes opinion if its legit, putting bullshit out there isnt backable and definately not legit.
shit "opinions are like kittens i'm just given em' away"
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I wanna say that I like dna distribution but I do miss the vibe of all those other dudes.
Times change and I cannot wait for inhabitants.
But the old man in me manages to always have that "those were the days" mentality.
Must be the girl/choc box set thats caused me to slip back into the past.
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I wanna say that I like dna distribution but I do miss the vibe of all those other dudes.
Times change and I cannot wait for inhabitants.
But the old man in me manages to always have that "those were the days" mentality.
Must be the girl/choc box set thats caused me to slip back into the past.
Fuck...I wake up go to bed live and die by that mentality....Im still waiting for that shit to get to the shop so i can ruin goldfish by watching it so many times
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Yeah I watch jovantae before going skating in hopes of stealing his switch fs flips.
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AWS aside, if you havent met Joe or know what he does for his people, how you gonna call him out over some bullshit, if the dude acted like a douche or was a douche I could understand, but he's not. I accept dudes opinion if its legit, putting bullshit out there isnt backable and definately not legit.
shit "opinions are like kittens i'm just given em' away"
this topic isn't about bullshit it's about a quote from an interview.
nobody really said anything bad about castrucci, just pointed out him trying to get silas to dress differently is exactly the same shit jamie thomas gets a hard time for.
it's not like anyone said anything about his boring fucking pigeon montages, useless rider selection or the stupid, played out, phony biology nerd field trip image he's pushing.
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Dude definately isn't dressing Silas
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so silas is lying?
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said the dude sent him medium instead of large but didn't force band t's or other lame shit on him.
Are you Silas?
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said the dude sent him medium instead of large but didn't force band t's or other lame shit on him.
he's still trying to control his image.
Are you Silas?
yes, yes i am.
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man, otis b has been pissed lately.
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Sfa....that box never showed, i'll be out tuesday before the shop closes to TCB, then shred the GB spot and brews and cheeseburgewrs are in order.
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yup, american shit, beer, cheesbergers, guns, pussy and skating
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AWS aside, if you havent met Joe or know what he does for his people, how you gonna call him out over some bullshit, if the dude acted like a douche or was a douche I could understand, but he's not. I accept dudes opinion if its legit, putting bullshit out there isnt backable and definately not legit.
shit "opinions are like kittens i'm just given em' away"
this topic isn't about bullshit it's about a quote from an interview.
nobody really said anything bad about castrucci, just pointed out him trying to get silas to dress differently is exactly the same shit jamie thomas gets a hard time for.
it's not like anyone said anything about his boring fucking pigeon montages, useless rider selection or the stupid, played out, phony biology nerd field trip image he's pushing.
I know its been asked before but.....is there anything that you like, otis b driftwood? or do you just voice the opposite opinions of the 'slap cliche' or whatever? maybe you're one of those sarcastic fake accounts....
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Appleyard seems to just skate whatever's in front of him, most of his last ads have all been misc. tranny stuff. Good or bad, the people you hang out with influence you in some way. Hang out with rail dudes you're probably going to rails more often.
But I'm not saying he skates rails more often, I'm saying he has stopped skating ledges ENTIRELY. Look for it. Before Flip it was constant, since he was on flip he has NEVER skated basic ledges. Ever. No lines. No single tricks. I don't think he doesn't skate them at all, but for some reason, you never see any footage of it.
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Appleyard seems to just skate whatever's in front of him, most of his last ads have all been misc. tranny stuff. Good or bad, the people you hang out with influence you in some way. Hang out with rail dudes you're probably going to rails more often.
You can say he doesn't skate them often but to say you never see the footage is plainly untrue. Watch his part in Really Sorry; remember then line where he does two ledge tricks and then jumps the pole at the end? And remember the bs noseblunt with the tree in the background? Two examples of what you're referring to.
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I don't remember the backside noseblunt, but you are right about that one line. Still, I'm skeptical about shit.
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I can't believe you guys are debating over something this regular.
Mark is the king of public dooks.
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in that puzzle video he does hardflip bactail shove...really fast. ledges are too easy for him
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In Flip video version 2.3, he has his laces tied three loops from the top, and in the next video, he's skating two loops open. What the fuck? Can't this guy stick to one style?! Fucking sellout if you ask me.
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agreed, always bothered me
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yep...you shoulda gone the gonzales route....
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backside noseblunt to fakie this long ledge/bench in sunnyvale.
I don't remember the backside noseblunt, but you are right about that one line. Still, I'm skeptical about shit.
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god,shut up all of you
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WHOA no way, a friend suggested to another friend that he is perhaps wearing t-shirts that are too big for him.... Silas is a smaller guy.... he really should be wearing a ghetto gown if he wants to stay on habitat
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WHOA no way, a friend suggested to another friend that he is perhaps wearing t-shirts that are too big for him.... Silas is a smaller guy.... he really should be wearing a ghetto gown if he wants to stay on habitat
Honestly.
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.....is there anything that you like, otis b driftwood?
menace.
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Lots of kids--some on this board, even--have never heard of Menace.
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Because menace was never really that great at all. Kinda lame actually.
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I've heard the name menace but haven't researched it too hard....i started skatebaording in the year two thousand.....was it maybe what city stars was before they changed the name or something? but of course the one thing he likes is soemthing i haven't heard of? too bad...
or shit did menace make that credo video? i watched that once on that guymariano.com...?????
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I've heard the name menace but haven't researched it too hard....i started skatebaording in the year two thousand.....was it maybe what city stars was before they changed the name or something? but of course the one thing he likes is soemthing i haven't heard of? too bad...
or shit did menace make that credo video? i watched that once on that guymariano.com...?????
FIT but you know it :P
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That menace comment is like an indie kid jizzing over some band that was never really that good.
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funny what tim o'connor said about rob pluhowski in the habitat mosaic commentary, "this guy's about to have a baby, there goes your career buddy."
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Isn't it weird that dudes who are obsessed with their own opinions and constantly post them for everyone in the world to read also are constantly amazed that anyone cares? It's weird to me that people feel their opinion is important enough to post but then think people are lame for caring about it. Pros, TMs, brand managers etc. are people too - and no matter what it sucks when people who talk shit on you. Especially when it's not true. No one wants a bad rap. In case you guys didn't notice - public opinion drives the skateboarding industry, and message boards are a pretty good barometer of where the customer base is at. Face it guys, you're not 12 year old brats from the midwest. You're shop owners, lifers, 20 something bitter east coast dudes(like me), with opinions on your passion. I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that just because you've appointed yourselves doesn't mean that the jurys ruling doesn't matter, so choose your words carefully.
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word.
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Isn't it weird that dudes who are obsessed with their own opinions and constantly post them for everyone in the world to read also are constantly amazed that anyone cares? It's weird to me that people feel their opinion is important enough to post but then think people are lame for caring about it. Pros, TMs, brand managers etc. are people too - and no matter what it sucks when people who talk shit on you. Especially when it's not true. No one wants a bad rap. In case you guys didn't notice - public opinion drives the skateboarding industry, and message boards are a pretty good barometer of where the customer base is at. Face it guys, you're not 12 year old brats from the midwest. You're shop owners, lifers, 20 something bitter east coast dudes(like me), with opinions on your passion. I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that just because you've appointed yourselves doesn't mean that the jurys ruling doesn't matter, so choose your words carefully.
I'm backing this guy.
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Because you are, I'm not.
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Because you are, I'm not.
Ouch. You're really hurting my feelings. I stopped caring what you had to say almost immediately after I made an account.
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way to edit your post to make you sound gayer
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way to edit your post to make you sound gayer
PWNED
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mods delete this topic
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way to edit your post to make you sound gayer
You got me there.. I should know better than to validate your existence with any sort of response.
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Guh... Another e-Greco. Let's see how big your mouse is, pal.
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Menace made chill pills. That's why everyone's soooo cool here.
(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2948/linkjoecamellgcz3.jpg)
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menace and city stars epitomize kareem who's a legend in my books....
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Isn't it weird that dudes who are obsessed with their own opinions and constantly post them for everyone in the world to read also are constantly amazed that anyone cares? It's weird to me that people feel their opinion is important enough to post but then think people are lame for caring about it. Pros, TMs, brand managers etc. are people too - and no matter what it sucks when people who talk shit on you. Especially when it's not true. No one wants a bad rap. In case you guys didn't notice - public opinion drives the skateboarding industry, and message boards are a pretty good barometer of where the customer base is at. Face it guys, you're not 12 year old brats from the midwest. You're shop owners, lifers, 20 something bitter east coast dudes(like me), with opinions on your passion. I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that just because you've appointed yourselves doesn't mean that the jurys ruling doesn't matter, so choose your words carefully.
This isn't a place where I come to necessarily come so that the whole world can come and hear my opinion. Its a place where if I am bored, either at work (like I am right now) or whenever to just talk about skateboarding, which is something I love. It has nothing to do with being obsessed with my own opinion or standing on a soapbox or any of that shit. The ONLY reason people pay attention to this shit is because the industry owns the media in skateboarding. The result of that is that every video gets a good review, every pro skateboarder, every company, and every product that they make is put in a positive light. Transworld recently reviewed a $100 skate deck positively. Are you kidding me? Who the fuck is going to spend $100 on a fucking deck?! What the review should have said was something like this "Rodney Mullen is a genius, but he has trouble understanding the way people think. This is why he spent a lot of time designing an expensive board that anybody with a brain would never consider buying." But they didn't. Nobody does. The only mag that ever did that was big brother, and all the crybaby sponsors stopped advertising in it, and big brother went bust. Magazines don't have any balls anymore, and maybe if they did, then messageboards wouldn't be full of people who are annoyed with how much certain people (like a certain person who agreed with your post) get their asses kissed unnecessarily. People don't have to read this shit, and in the end, all a message board is is a slow paced conversation. Sometimes people argue, sometimes people agree, sometimes people joke around, and sometimes people eavesdrop. What people write on these boards are what they are thinking, and all those company guys whining about this shit should be thankful that atleast they can eavesdrop in this conversation.
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it's good to be obsessed with your own opinions
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Isn't it weird that dudes who are obsessed with their own opinions and constantly post them for everyone in the world to read also are constantly amazed that anyone cares? It's weird to me that people feel their opinion is important enough to post but then think people are lame for caring about it. Pros, TMs, brand managers etc. are people too - and no matter what it sucks when people who talk shit on you. Especially when it's not true. No one wants a bad rap. In case you guys didn't notice - public opinion drives the skateboarding industry, and message boards are a pretty good barometer of where the customer base is at. Face it guys, you're not 12 year old brats from the midwest. You're shop owners, lifers, 20 something bitter east coast dudes(like me), with opinions on your passion. I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that just because you've appointed yourselves doesn't mean that the jurys ruling doesn't matter, so choose your words carefully.
This part of the conversation was good to eavesdrop upon.
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You fucking suck at editing and quoting. Therefore, Menace is better than you.
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anyone who mentions menace is instant dweeb status
How's this quote?
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Your fucking signature doesn't even link to anything. You just copied and pasted the wrong text link.
You fucking fuck! Menace fucking owns you, you fucking stupid bitch. Fuck your fuck, you fucking ass pirate.
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You must have really horrible self-esteem. I don't think I've done a damn thing to provoke the wrath of your fucked up childhood or whatever life issues causes your bitch-ass internet forum attacks. Seriously, it's fucking silly. This isn't hip-hop. You don't need to create beef to get street cred. But if you want it, I'll be in NYC the 1st weekend of June.
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thats great but i am pretty sure he lives in canada
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gotta love the e-beef
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thats great but i am pretty sure he lives in canada
gotta love the e-beef
Where the hell does he come off calling himself the Brooklyn Brawler? I feel kinda silly for calling him out anyway. It's just a skateboard forum.
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I FUCKING REPRESENT BROOKLYN, FROM FUCKING NEW YORK, not the pro wrestler.
NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP, BECAUSE I CAN MEET YOU IN PERSON TOMORROW MID-TOWN AND GIVE YOU THE GARVIN STOMP
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I FUCKING REPRESENT BROOKLYN, FROM FUCKING NEW YORK, not the pro wrestler.
NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP, BECAUSE I CAN MEET YOU IN PERSON TOMORROW MID-TOWN AND GIVE YOU THE GARVIN STOMP
Represent? Like, I wish I could live there? Take your bullshit to a therapist. I'm sorry mommy and daddy didn't love you enough.
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1ST WEEKEND IN JUNE WE ARE FIGHTING TO THE DEATH
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(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9789/kooksandwichtn1.gif)
1ST WEEKEND IN JUNE WE ARE FIGHTING TO THE DEATH
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Clientele: Able to find the clitoris for the first time at the age of 26. A little late with the orgasm, but still tenacious with delivery!!!!
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Damn, if the kid in that picture plans on stomping someone out, he better have at least three midgets to back him up.
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how do people post here for more than a day and still not get brooklyn brawler?
i mean shut up stupid gook, go back to the boat you came over on.
seriously what the fuck is up with your signature SWEETS?
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I'm totally buying you a bento box.
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it better have general tsao's and peking pork innit
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Damn, if the kid in that picture plans on stomping someone out, he better have at least three midgets to back him up.
...more like three anal beads.
(http://a477.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/60/l_549378a2595918cbba50404dc8e7f1ec.jpg)
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i almost posetd that the other day with the same comment but i knew you could do so much more with it.
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Damn, if the kid in that picture plans on stomping someone out, he better have at least three midgets to back him up.
...more like three anal beads.
(http://a477.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/60/l_549378a2595918cbba50404dc8e7f1ec.jpg)
Yeah those are pretty sick. But if it will help your cause, wouldn't mind lending them to you.
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That scene in Requiem for a Dream ruined it for me, so sorry. Kthnxbye!
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That scene in Requiem for a Dream ruined it for me, so sorry. Kthnxbye!
Understandable, but if you ever need them, all you got to do is contact me via MySpace.
NICE CHATTING WITH YOU BRO!
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how do people post here for more than a day and still not get brooklyn brawler?
i mean shut up stupid gook, go back to the boat you came over on.
seriously what the fuck is up with your signature SWEETS?
What's wrong with it?
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It doesn't link anywhere...
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bb, come see me in the bay area and you'll get your ass stomped out for sure bruh.
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COME TO TORONTO AND I'LL FUCKING BUY YOU A FUCKING MILK SHAKE AND THEN FUCKING TAKE YOU TO A FUCKING MOVIE, AND EVEN DRIVE YOU HOME, YOU STUPID FUCKING FUCK
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Harsh.
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jeah bruh come see me in minnesota get your ass stomped for sure bruh bruh burh bruh bro brah jeeeeahhh
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"Stay loose, haole."
"What's a haole?"
"A tourist, a mainlander, like you."
"I'm not a tourist."
"Whatever, Barney."
"What's a Barney?"
"It's like Barno... Barnyard... a haole to the max, a kook in and out of the water. Yeah?"
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(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/372/clonewarsvetranty7.jpg)
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I'd drop Darth Vader a few bucks. I mean, he's trying to rebuild the deathstar, not go buy beer or anything.
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I'd drop Darth Vader a few bucks. I mean, he's trying to rebuild the deathstar, not go buy beer or anything.
he says he's clean now, but do you really believe him? you know as soon as you go around the corner he's going to go cop a beer.
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"Stay loose, haole."
"What's a haole?"
"A tourist, a mainlander, like you."
"I'm not a tourist."
"Whatever, Barney."
"What's a Barney?"
"It's like Barno... Barnyard... a haole to the max, a kook in and out of the water. Yeah?"
noone ever listens to turtle...
not even chandler
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COME TO TORONTO AND I'LL FUCKING BUY YOU A FUCKING MILK SHAKE AND THEN FUCKING TAKE YOU TO A FUCKING MOVIE, AND EVEN DRIVE YOU HOME, YOU STUPID FUCKING FUCK
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COME TO TORONTO AND I'LL FUCKING BUY YOU A FUCKING MILK SHAKE AND THEN FUCKING TAKE YOU TO A FUCKING MOVIE, AND EVEN DRIVE YOU HOME, YOU STUPID FUCKING FUCK
HEY CANADA SUCKS!!ONLY GOOD THING TO COME OUT OF THERE WAS BRYAN ADAMS http://www.bryanadams.com/onlineshop/images/058-4.jpg
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Isn't it weird that dudes who are obsessed with their own opinions and constantly post them for everyone in the world to read also are constantly amazed that anyone cares? It's weird to me that people feel their opinion is important enough to post but then think people are lame for caring about it. Pros, TMs, brand managers etc. are people too - and no matter what it sucks when people who talk shit on you. Especially when it's not true. No one wants a bad rap. In case you guys didn't notice - public opinion drives the skateboarding industry, and message boards are a pretty good barometer of where the customer base is at. Face it guys, you're not 12 year old brats from the midwest. You're shop owners, lifers, 20 something bitter east coast dudes(like me), with opinions on your passion. I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that just because you've appointed yourselves doesn't mean that the jurys ruling doesn't matter, so choose your words carefully.
This part of the conversation was good to eavesdrop upon.
Maybe you should reread what I wrote. Or maybe I'll just rephrase it. I'm not hating on message boards - I'm posting on one. It's good to have honest conversation. Maybe I think your industry perception is a little rash, I mean, we're talking about skate magazines not CNN here... I hope you're posting for a reason other than to battle the travesty of positively slanted product reviews. I guess you got a little offended when I said "obsessed." My bad, I'm just trying to say that people ARE reading, and it's lame that people are so eager to hate on people without giving them a chance, and then hate on them for standing up for themselves. The main difference between a conversation and a forum is that it's public and also anonymous. So you can call someone out publically, get the ball rolling and wind up with people saying some ridiculous shit that's totally out of line about someone. I was just putting it out there that Joe Castrucci is a real dude, not some comic book villain for people to hate on.
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he has to send him shirts anyway for his sponsorship and has to choose a size anyway, so he sends him a few sizes smaller to teach him a funny lesson as a friend, not a big deal
I'd be bummed if someone did that to me. I wouldn't wear the shirts period.
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i can think of a million other people to hate on then Joe Castrucci.
i just hope habitat comes back hard like they did a few years ago.
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whats does whos on the team, board graphics, company marketing plan, rider image, have anything to do with good skateboards?
habitat/AWS make nice boards with good concave and nice a pop. i can't speak for everyone but i don't buy boards based on whos it is, what the graphic looks like, or how they sell they're image, i just want a good board.
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whats does whos on the team, board graphics, company marketing plan, rider image, have anything to do with good skateboards?
habitat/AWS make nice boards with good concave and nice a pop. i can't speak for everyone but i don't buy boards based on whos it is, what the graphic looks like, or how they sell they're image, i just want a good board.
the last year or so ive been riding atm's. i cant remeber last time anyone gave a fuck about them but the shapes are good.
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whats does whos on the team, board graphics, company marketing plan, rider image, have anything to do with good skateboards?
habitat/AWS make nice boards with good concave and nice a pop. i can't speak for everyone but i don't buy boards based on whos it is, what the graphic looks like, or how they sell they're image, i just want a good board.
the last year or so ive been riding atm's. i cant remeber last time anyone gave a fuck about them but the shapes are good.
thats what i'm saying, if the wood is good, skate it. i don't get this whole i only buy stuff from companies that i want to support. don't get me wrong, i understand "why" but if their wood is shitty, i ain't buying their shit no matter who they got on the team or anything else for that matter.
i've never heard of ATM but i'll take it out of a test spin if i see it in a shop.
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Try growing up in a town where the only shop sold boards that are either 7.5" and 8", all wheels are soft, and shoes are a full size too big.
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Isn't it weird that dudes who are obsessed with their own opinions and constantly post them for everyone in the world to read also are constantly amazed that anyone cares? It's weird to me that people feel their opinion is important enough to post but then think people are lame for caring about it. Pros, TMs, brand managers etc. are people too - and no matter what it sucks when people who talk shit on you. Especially when it's not true. No one wants a bad rap. In case you guys didn't notice - public opinion drives the skateboarding industry, and message boards are a pretty good barometer of where the customer base is at. Face it guys, you're not 12 year old brats from the midwest. You're shop owners, lifers, 20 something bitter east coast dudes(like me), with opinions on your passion. I guess I'm just trying to get at the fact that just because you've appointed yourselves doesn't mean that the jurys ruling doesn't matter, so choose your words carefully.
This part of the conversation was good to eavesdrop upon.
I'm just saying that people probably hate a little more on here because all skate media is just one giant skate industry circle jerk, people hear shit outside of the circle jerk that spreads around, and with nobody printing good and bad, there is no final word on the hating. And you know what? The hate extends far past messageboards on this one. A friend of mine who skates but despises message boards passionately read the interview listed above and came to the same conclusion that many above have come to about him doing a bit too much to control images. I would avoid personal attacks, but attacks on how somebody does business are perfectly within the realm of legitimacy. This place is just a conversation- but people listen in because there is shit people talk about on here that magazines don't have the balls to cover.
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Try growing up in a town where the only shop sold boards that are either 7.5" and 8", all wheels are soft, and shoes are a full size too big.
I thought you represented Brooklyn? I'm sure it can't be that hard to find a board in the size and shape of your preference. You can find just about anything in NYC. BTW, I'm stoked on our date. Should I go get a huge all-over print shirt, too? We could match!
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Try growing up in a town where the only shop sold boards that are either 7.5" and 8", all wheels are soft, and shoes are a full size too big.
I skate 8" boards. Bigger boards are easier for bigger dudes, i guess.
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Try growing up in a town where the only shop sold boards that are either 7.5" and 8", all wheels are soft, and shoes are a full size too big.
I thought you represented Brooklyn? I'm sure it can't be that hard to find a board in the size and shape of your preference. You can find just about anything in NYC. BTW, I'm stoked on our date. Should I go get a huge all-over print shirt, too? We could match!
sw33ts know your wrestlers.
(http://www.malex.altervista.org/wrestling/Brooklyn%20Brawler.jpg)
STEVE MUDDAFUKKKIN LOMBARDI. oh and azn bb is canadian
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I'm so glad Scrubs wasn't cancelled.
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Try growing up in a town where the only shop sold boards that are either 7.5" and 8", all wheels are soft, and shoes are a full size too big.
I thought you represented Brooklyn? I'm sure it can't be that hard to find a board in the size and shape of your preference. You can find just about anything in NYC. BTW, I'm stoked on our date. Should I go get a huge all-over print shirt, too? We could match!
sw33ts know your wrestlers.
(http://www.malex.altervista.org/wrestling/Brooklyn%20Brawler.jpg)
STEVE MUDDAFUKKKIN LOMBARDI. oh and azn bb is canadian
I was never a big wrestling fan.
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I'm so glad Scrubs wasn't cancelled.
you watch scrubs?
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whats does whos on the team, board graphics, company marketing plan, rider image, have anything to do with good skateboards?
habitat/AWS make nice boards with good concave and nice a pop. i can't speak for everyone but i don't buy boards based on whos it is, what the graphic looks like, or how they sell they're image, i just want a good board.
I personally like Alien and Habitat, but all of the things you mentioned are usually why someone likes or dislikes a brand, so suggesting they don't matter seems unrealistic. No one wants to support something they think is wack when they have options.
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
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whats does whos on the team, board graphics, company marketing plan, rider image, have anything to do with good skateboards?
habitat/AWS make nice boards with good concave and nice a pop. i can't speak for everyone but i don't buy boards based on whos it is, what the graphic looks like, or how they sell they're image, i just want a good board.
hence why i said...
don't get me wrong, i understand "why"
i'm all for supporting companies and riders i down for but if their product sucks, i'm not going to buy it, sorry thats harsh but its the truth. some people(mostly kids) will look past how shitty a product is and buy such and such pro model board because the dude rips, i'm not knocking that, i was a kid too. but nowadays, i'm spending my hard earned money(not mommies) on my habit so i want to get the best product for my money. yes 99.99% of the time i'd prefer to buy stuff from companies/riders i like but not at the cost of getting some subpar product in return....is that so wrong?
heres kind of a messed up example but, i'm not going to buy shitty weed because i like the guy whos selling it to me.
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
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whats does whos on the team, board graphics, company marketing plan, rider image, have anything to do with good skateboards?
habitat/AWS make nice boards with good concave and nice a pop. i can't speak for everyone but i don't buy boards based on whos it is, what the graphic looks like, or how they sell they're image, i just want a good board.
hence why i said...
don't get me wrong, i understand "why"
i'm all for supporting companies and riders i down for but if their product sucks, i'm not going to buy it, sorry thats harsh but its the truth. some people(mostly kids) will look past how shitty a product is and buy such and such pro model board because the dude rips, i'm not knocking that, i was a kid too. but nowadays, i'm spending my hard earned money(not mommies) on my habit so i want to get the best product for my money. yes 99.99% of the time i'd prefer to buy stuff from companies/riders i like but not at the cost of getting some subpar product in return....is that so wrong?
heres kind of a messed up example but, i'm not going to buy shitty weed because i like the guy whos selling it to me.
Fair enough.
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Oh man! Jamie's about to crack! There's only so long you can stay positive in this negative of an environment
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Personally, Ive ridden a few Mystery decks and I think they're really good. I don't ride them anymore because I discovered the awesomeness that is Deluxe, but still, Blackbox isn't "crap". Different strokes for different folks. Also, Rattray is sick.
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Nah, I'm hanging in there.
Some people just speak like they're the final. Being an elitest is so un-skateboarding.
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dude i got sponsored the other day by a board company, and these pricks had the nerve to send me a box full of skateboards, telling me to ride that shit. fuck that, i bow for nobody.
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and by the way, nothing DNA could ever be half as bad as anything blackbox.
edit: and sorry, but i got to amend this post to make an exception for rob pluhowski's style
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so you'd skate a Big and Rob board over a regular Zero or Mystery deck?
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I've never skated a Zero or Mystery, but the Rob and Big shit is nothing a little spray paint and some stickers couldn't fix...
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Same here, never skated a Black Box board. But I'd skate one over a Rob and Big board any day.
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Well, I guess since I've never skated one I can't say that the Black Box stuff is bad or good, but you and I know that DNA puts out great products, regardless of what it looks like on the bottom.
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I skated some contest promo Blackbox kicked down--it's not crap.
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That one board on the wall that never sold for months always seemed to have the most pop when somebody finally took it.
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you mean the warped darkstar you're trying to push on every 12 yr old who walks in the door.
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there should have never been a darkstar in the store to be warped.
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so you'd skate a Big and Rob board over a regular Zero or Mystery deck?
i'll skate any board given to me, you should see the piece i'm riding now.
but if i had to pay and choose, it'd be big and rob with a can of spraypaint. it has to involve where my $$ goes to really matter.
AWS > zero/mystery
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Word. But at least wholsale on them is cheaper than the other Chinese boards so the shops can make a little more. I know everyone here swings from the nuts of Girl but making Chinese boards and not passing the savings down to shops is shit. Shops don't make anything off hardgoods as it is so they have to stoop to shoes and clothes to keep their heads above water. That's why even your hardcore shops end up looking like Pac Sun or Zumies.
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and i'd also like to say that having a "pro" big and rob/meaty deck is definitely gay on the part of AWS, but pales in comparison to other industry shenanigans
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Agreed Greg.
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there should have never been a darkstar in the store to be warped.
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there should have never been a darkstar in the store to be warped.
True. But Darkstar decks are only one product on a long list of goofy skate industry shit shops have to sell to keep the lights on. That should be a thread in itself: Corny shit you have to sell in your shop to pay the bills.
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there should have never been a darkstar in the store to be warped.
True. But Darkstar decks are only one product on a long list of goofy skate industry shit shops have to sell to keep the lights on. That should be a thread in itself: Corny shit you have to sell in your shop to pay the bills.
Haha, I totally agree with you.
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i've never ridden one of their boards but whats wrong with darkstar?
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there should have never been a darkstar in the store to be warped.
True. But Darkstar decks are only one product on a long list of goofy skate industry shit shops have to sell to keep the lights on. That should be a thread in itself: Corny shit you have to sell in your shop to pay the bills.
Haha, I totally agree with you.
someone make this thread
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and i'd also like to say that having a "pro" big and rob/meaty deck is definitely gay on the part of AWS, but pales in comparison to other industry shenanigans
As much as I dig the DNA companies, I have to agree with you, as well.
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there should have never been a darkstar in the store to be warped.
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dark knights are not dope.
i've never ridden one of their boards but whats wrong with darkstar?
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dark knights?
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Let's clear something up here. When you say "myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products" you're saying that because you don't like the graphics right? Because I know your crooked grinds or whatever on the local below knee high ledge aren't any more taxing than 360 flipping Wallenberg. While we're on the subject - if you're tougher on your boards than last years Skater Of The Year Chris Cole you should probably go on a diet - not dis one of the gnarliest board companies (if you like the style or not) in skateboarding. Wait a second, I'm pretty sure you just called out everyone on Zero and Fallen as unrespectable. Forget I dignified your comment with a response. Tight pants or not those dudes can skateboard - a lot better than you can - as a matter of fact better than you enough so you should just be quiet and keep your uneducated and unqualified opinions to yourself.
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What's really worse? Darkstar taking it's graphics (who are done by Chet Thomas' brother) and chinese boards and hooking up some dudes that rip but are ignored by the cool-guy industry (Machnau); or AWS taking an MTV show and making it into a board? There's nothing wrong with either. AWS has Dyrdeks back - and let's face it, skaters are the cool kids now (for better or worse) and we've been depicted a lot worse than Rob and Big. Of course the salty dudes on this message board wouldn't buy a Rob and Big board, then again we're not really the MTV focus group are we? Good for Chet if he's making some cash and passing it on to skaters that might be board sponsorless otherwise - at least it's not World Industries.
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alright, let's look at what I said, I really don't know one respectable skateboarder that would rep any black box products, I just don't roll with any 13-15 year olds pushing mongo with identity crisis'...sorry dude, it's just not my style, and that just happens to be the primary consumers of blackbox products in my area.
as for the riders on the blackbox companies, they all fucking rip and are on some gnarly rail and stairs shit, cool, yet again, not my steez. mystery is the best shit you guys got going because you have real skaters on there not trying to portray an image (jamie and you're advertising dept take care of that one real well with the black and white, real mysterious.) but for the majority they just seem like your average skaters that are just out there trying to do their thing.
the zero squad has talent, Chris Cole is one of my favorite skateboarders, I remember skating love with him back in 99 when he was still on world, and just being blown away by the skill he had, along with his 411 wheels of fortune part he put out where he skated to common, and just being psyched on that era of skating in general because no one was trying to portray an image, Zero still consisted of some of the gnarliest dudes out there and everyone couldn't wait for another Zero video to drop because everyone wanted to see how gnarly skating can get taken.
Long gone is 1999.
Chris Cole is still one of the gnarliest skaters out there and you grabbing him was one of the best moves you've ever made (ALONG WITH JOHN RATTRAY), but I have a sneaky suspicion if he had stayed on enjoi, he would not be dressing as gnarly (primarily black, tight jeans, flair, excessive gear) as he does. Zero has an image to maintain and I guess he's just doing his job. It just sucks that wearing certain clothes to attain to an image is attached so closely with skateboarding now.
Also, the only kid i've ever heard give James Brockman's skating respect was this kid I knew who started skating Junior year of high school, pushed mongo, strictly smoked cigarettes, and was naturally a waste of life, great kid, just an absolute mess of a person, one of the more accident prone people ive ever met, the only videos he'd been exposed to were Baker2g and Osiris Subject to Change and after viewing these he started dressing in black tight jeans and white emerica t-shirts growing out a beard and his hair long, anywho, he is the only person in the 21st century i've heard give anyone give james brockman's skating some ups. I haven't seen him since high school but last I heard he had stopped skating.
Anyone who know's whats up with skating (in my experience) is more likely to lean towards any Deluxe deck, Blueprint, Traffic, Clichè, Habitat/AWS, or even a Girl deck despite the china wood. they want to support something worthy, whether it to be the skater or the company, and in a lot of people's eyes the majority of the companies distributed by Black Box aren't those companies.
In a side note I want to give a big ups for Black Box employing formers pro's like Drake Jones, Alphonso Rawls, Mike Sinclair, Brian Howard, etc. that's pretty sick.
so you should just be quiet and keep your uneducated and unqualified opinions to yourself.
and I am more educated and qualified than you know, bud.
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ive rode them. they work fine. you niggas is on acid! the hot pink dipped ones are the best!
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Let's clear something up here. When you say "myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products" you're saying that because you don't like the graphics right? Because I know your crooked grinds or whatever on the local below knee high ledge aren't any more taxing than 360 flipping Wallenberg. While we're on the subject - if you're tougher on your boards than last years Skater Of The Year Chris Cole you should probably go on a diet - not dis one of the gnarliest board companies (if you like the style or not) in skateboarding. Wait a second, I'm pretty sure you just called out everyone on Zero and Fallen as unrespectable. Forget I dignified your comment with a response. Tight pants or not those dudes can skateboard - a lot better than you can - as a matter of fact better than you enough so you should just be quiet and keep your uneducated and unqualified opinions to yourself.
You know that not only do those guy sget the boards for free, but they also get paid for riding them? On top of that, I was at the Wallenberg contest and I seem to recall Skater Of The Year Chris Cole snapping the tail right off his Zero board. Maybe he needs a diet! Not Lindsey Robertson though. His board held up because he apparently has a healthier diet.
The rob & big show themed boards are pretty fucking lame, and I can't think of any marketing scam that this is much worse than this. Can anybody think of anything specifically worse? Bam is lame, but he did actually start making his fame as a skateboarder. Not "Big" or "Meaty." As much as I'd like to hold Alien at a level higher than this trash, I can't.
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Long gone is 1999.
thank goodness.
try looking through a magazine from that time period and it might refresh your memory as to how shitty skatng had gotten.
everything was so generic and everyone was trying to cash in on skating.
at least there's some room for diversity now. I don't mind the heshers, at least we're not all wearing cargo pants,ralph lauren/tommy shirts and flexfit hat's backwards.
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Let's clear something up here. When you say "myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products" you're saying that because you don't like the graphics right? Because I know your crooked grinds or whatever on the local below knee high ledge aren't any more taxing than 360 flipping Wallenberg. While we're on the subject - if you're tougher on your boards than last years Skater Of The Year Chris Cole you should probably go on a diet - not dis one of the gnarliest board companies (if you like the style or not) in skateboarding. Wait a second, I'm pretty sure you just called out everyone on Zero and Fallen as unrespectable. Forget I dignified your comment with a response. Tight pants or not those dudes can skateboard - a lot better than you can - as a matter of fact better than you enough so you should just be quiet and keep your uneducated and unqualified opinions to yourself.
The rob & big show themed boards are pretty fucking lame, and I can't think of any marketing scam that this is much worse than this. Can anybody think of anything specifically worse? Bam is lame, but he did actually start making his fame as a skateboarder. Not "Big" or "Meaty." As much as I'd like to hold Alien at a level higher than this trash, I can't.
Introducing the indestructable board! You can weigh 200 pounds, jump down Wallenberg, land on the tail, and it won't break. Wait - nope, that doesn't exist. They're made out of wood bro. It seemed to hold up ok when he landed on the bolts right? My point exactly - these dudes are way harder on their boards than you could ever be - and they choose what they ride. You don't think Chris Cole could ride for anyone else? A lot of companies special make boards for riders because they don't like the boards their sponsor makes. Chris Cole rides Zero boards because he wants to - not because he has to.
Bam got his start off as a skater - his entourage didn't. Remember the board with Bam's dad on it? How is that different from Rob? Rob still skates all the time and is involved with industry stuff, not just autograph signings. He did enter Tampa this year. Truth is every episode of Rob & Big I've seen has had some legit skating in it. Ever been out skating and had someone tell you to "do jackass." At least Rob & Big aren't single handedly repsonsible for making us look like kooks.
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You know that not only do those guy sget the boards for free, but they also get paid for riding them?
just clearing up a misconception,
no pro gets anything for "free". people keeping saying "free shit" but they forget the part where being a pro is a job and that they have to bleed for that shit. nothings free, all that shit costs something, whether it be money or effort, in no way is it free.
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at least there's some room for diversity now.
have you been to a skatepark lately? every kid looks and skates the same. dont get me wrong there are alot of people doing thier own shit but its almost the same as the cargo pant, flexfit phase from the late 90's. its just tight pants, long hair and handrails now.
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At least Rob & Big aren't single handedly repsonsible for making us look like kooks.
pretty much.
we as skateboarders are lumped together for whatever reason and we're judged by the masses as a whole. when Bam does something stupid on TV or whatever, in a way it reflects on all of us as far as the general public is concerned. i don't know why the general public has to group us together?, but skateboarding is the only sport(lack of a better word)where this happens.
if you see baseball player doing some regular shit, people don't say all baseball players are stupid, but they do if you're a skateboarder. dudes like Bam and other skaters who have some influence on popculture have been giving us a bad rap for a long time now. hopefully they'll realize this at some point but i doubt it. all them $$$ would make me blind too i guess. :-\
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Let's clear something up here. When you say "myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products" you're saying that because you don't like the graphics right? Because I know your crooked grinds or whatever on the local below knee high ledge aren't any more taxing than 360 flipping Wallenberg. While we're on the subject - if you're tougher on your boards than last years Skater Of The Year Chris Cole you should probably go on a diet - not dis one of the gnarliest board companies (if you like the style or not) in skateboarding. Wait a second, I'm pretty sure you just called out everyone on Zero and Fallen as unrespectable. Forget I dignified your comment with a response. Tight pants or not those dudes can skateboard - a lot better than you can - as a matter of fact better than you enough so you should just be quiet and keep your uneducated and unqualified opinions to yourself.
The rob & big show themed boards are pretty fucking lame, and I can't think of any marketing scam that this is much worse than this. Can anybody think of anything specifically worse? Bam is lame, but he did actually start making his fame as a skateboarder. Not "Big" or "Meaty." As much as I'd like to hold Alien at a level higher than this trash, I can't.
Introducing the indestructable board! You can weigh 200 pounds, jump down Wallenberg, land on the tail, and it won't break. Wait - nope, that doesn't exist. They're made out of wood bro. It seemed to hold up ok when he landed on the bolts right? My point exactly - these dudes are way harder on their boards than you could ever be - and they choose what they ride. You don't think Chris Cole could ride for anyone else? A lot of companies special make boards for riders because they don't like the boards their sponsor makes. Chris Cole rides Zero boards because he wants to - not because he has to.
Bam got his start off as a skater - his entourage didn't. Remember the board with Bam's dad on it? How is that different from Rob? Rob still skates all the time and is involved with industry stuff, not just autograph signings. He did enter Tampa this year. Truth is every episode of Rob & Big I've seen has had some legit skating in it. Ever been out skating and had someone tell you to "do jackass." At least Rob & Big aren't single handedly repsonsible for making us look like kooks.
You missed my point. My point is that just because a person who skates hard rides a certain brand of board, doesn't necessarily mean that the board is strong. Those guys get as many boards as they need to get the job done, and while technically not free, they are pretty much unlimited as long as the guy is using them and skating for said company. A team's riders don't say shit about how legit the wood or the company is. Of course Chris Cole could ride for another team. But who you ride for depends on who is offering, how much money is involved, and from the way they portray you. Though, to Jamie's credit, he wasn't nearly as big of a name when he had just gotten off of almost.
Do you really think that because a team of rippers skates for zero that it says ANYTHING about the boards?
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at least there's some room for diversity now.
have you been to a skatepark lately? every kid looks and skates the same. dont get me wrong there are alot of people doing thier own shit but its almost the same as the cargo pant, flexfit phase from the late 90's. its just tight pants, long hair and handrails now.
i guess we're lucky here, i see all types of skaters.
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Where have you gone Steve Stedham?
Skateboarding needs you....
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Let's clear something up here. When you say "myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products" you're saying that because you don't like the graphics right? Because I know your crooked grinds or whatever on the local below knee high ledge aren't any more taxing than 360 flipping Wallenberg. While we're on the subject - if you're tougher on your boards than last years Skater Of The Year Chris Cole you should probably go on a diet - not dis one of the gnarliest board companies (if you like the style or not) in skateboarding. Wait a second, I'm pretty sure you just called out everyone on Zero and Fallen as unrespectable. Forget I dignified your comment with a response. Tight pants or not those dudes can skateboard - a lot better than you can - as a matter of fact better than you enough so you should just be quiet and keep your uneducated and unqualified opinions to yourself.
The rob & big show themed boards are pretty fucking lame, and I can't think of any marketing scam that this is much worse than this. Can anybody think of anything specifically worse? Bam is lame, but he did actually start making his fame as a skateboarder. Not "Big" or "Meaty." As much as I'd like to hold Alien at a level higher than this trash, I can't.
Introducing the indestructable board! You can weigh 200 pounds, jump down Wallenberg, land on the tail, and it won't break. Wait - nope, that doesn't exist. They're made out of wood bro. It seemed to hold up ok when he landed on the bolts right? My point exactly - these dudes are way harder on their boards than you could ever be - and they choose what they ride. You don't think Chris Cole could ride for anyone else? A lot of companies special make boards for riders because they don't like the boards their sponsor makes. Chris Cole rides Zero boards because he wants to - not because he has to.
Bam got his start off as a skater - his entourage didn't. Remember the board with Bam's dad on it? How is that different from Rob? Rob still skates all the time and is involved with industry stuff, not just autograph signings. He did enter Tampa this year. Truth is every episode of Rob & Big I've seen has had some legit skating in it. Ever been out skating and had someone tell you to "do jackass." At least Rob & Big aren't single handedly repsonsible for making us look like kooks.
Do you really think that because a team of rippers skates for zero that it says ANYTHING about the boards?
I do think it says something. I can't imagine a company not listening to imput ofrom its riders. Why would Jamie Thomas want to ride shit boards? I can only assume he's not some evil genius laughing at the cash he's making by intentionally selling sub-par boards. I'm 100% certain Zero can have their boards made wherever they want. Having to set up new boards all the time is annoying. I haven't ridden a Zero board since they were made at Watson, but your argument just doesn't make sense. The bottom line is you're not down for the image and you're just overstating an assumption that Black Box is making horrible boards with absolutely nothing to back it up.
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remember when Birdhouse put out a 'Tom Green' pro model. that was gay. but then again, who cares about Birdhouse.
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remember when Birdhouse put out a 'Tom Green' pro model. that was gay. but then again, who cares about Birdhouse.
BIRDOUSE HAD SOME KILLAS ON THE TEAM BACK IN THE DAY.......TOM GREEN PIT SOME WORK IN ANY ONE HAVE PICS?POST 'EM!
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Let's clear something up here. When you say "myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products" you're saying that because you don't like the graphics right? Because I know your crooked grinds or whatever on the local below knee high ledge aren't any more taxing than 360 flipping Wallenberg. While we're on the subject - if you're tougher on your boards than last years Skater Of The Year Chris Cole you should probably go on a diet - not dis one of the gnarliest board companies (if you like the style or not) in skateboarding. Wait a second, I'm pretty sure you just called out everyone on Zero and Fallen as unrespectable. Forget I dignified your comment with a response. Tight pants or not those dudes can skateboard - a lot better than you can - as a matter of fact better than you enough so you should just be quiet and keep your uneducated and unqualified opinions to yourself.
The rob & big show themed boards are pretty fucking lame, and I can't think of any marketing scam that this is much worse than this. Can anybody think of anything specifically worse? Bam is lame, but he did actually start making his fame as a skateboarder. Not "Big" or "Meaty." As much as I'd like to hold Alien at a level higher than this trash, I can't.
Introducing the indestructable board! You can weigh 200 pounds, jump down Wallenberg, land on the tail, and it won't break. Wait - nope, that doesn't exist. They're made out of wood bro. It seemed to hold up ok when he landed on the bolts right? My point exactly - these dudes are way harder on their boards than you could ever be - and they choose what they ride. You don't think Chris Cole could ride for anyone else? A lot of companies special make boards for riders because they don't like the boards their sponsor makes. Chris Cole rides Zero boards because he wants to - not because he has to.
Bam got his start off as a skater - his entourage didn't. Remember the board with Bam's dad on it? How is that different from Rob? Rob still skates all the time and is involved with industry stuff, not just autograph signings. He did enter Tampa this year. Truth is every episode of Rob & Big I've seen has had some legit skating in it. Ever been out skating and had someone tell you to "do jackass." At least Rob & Big aren't single handedly repsonsible for making us look like kooks.
Do you really think that because a team of rippers skates for zero that it says ANYTHING about the boards?
I do think it says something. I can't imagine a company not listening to imput ofrom its riders. Why would Jamie Thomas want to ride shit boards? I can only assume he's not some evil genius laughing at the cash he's making by intentionally selling sub-par boards. I'm 100% certain Zero can have their boards made wherever they want. Having to set up new boards all the time is annoying. I haven't ridden a Zero board since they were made at Watson, but your argument just doesn't make sense. The bottom line is you're not down for the image and you're just overstating an assumption that Black Box is making horrible boards with absolutely nothing to back it up.
ACtually, I don't give a shit about black box one way or another. You really buy into a lot of shit. You doubt that a company would go for the bottom line? You think shit like how well a board holds up matters compared to the size of the paycheck that a pro gets for it? You are just to bright eyed to talk to.
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Dear Little Girls Arguing Above this Post,
I rode for that company Bulletproof once, I think. Actually, they had some "sales reps" come to the park, and take photos of people riding their boards. Well, they took photos, but no photos of us actually on their boards. Since their decks were black, they just adjusted the photo contrast so it looked like I was on their "SUPER CARBON FIBRE BOARD".
Their pedophile photos of us were all over their website, and also labelled us the "team". We never actually got a board. We did take one and beat the shit out of it later. It eventually broke, but sort of smashed into pieces like glass does.
Needless to say, I can confirm that The Most Indestructable Board never supported its team. The company of The Most Indestructable Board never took input from its riders (because they didn't know who we were), and their money earned went straight to skate park photographer pedophiles at the park. The Most Indestructable Board is actually STILL in business.
Therefore, I strongly advise into buying the shittiest quality decks on the wall.
Love,
BB
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precisely why myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products, unless they had a gun to there head, then they would buy a rattray deck.
Cause we're crap, is that your point? Only non-respectable people buy our stuff?
Damn, you must be really cool.
Let's clear something up here. When you say "myself and any respectable skateboarder I know will never ride any black box products" you're saying that because you don't like the graphics right? Because I know your crooked grinds or whatever on the local below knee high ledge aren't any more taxing than 360 flipping Wallenberg. While we're on the subject - if you're tougher on your boards than last years Skater Of The Year Chris Cole you should probably go on a diet - not dis one of the gnarliest board companies (if you like the style or not) in skateboarding. Wait a second, I'm pretty sure you just called out everyone on Zero and Fallen as unrespectable. Forget I dignified your comment with a response. Tight pants or not those dudes can skateboard - a lot better than you can - as a matter of fact better than you enough so you should just be quiet and keep your uneducated and unqualified opinions to yourself.
The rob & big show themed boards are pretty fucking lame, and I can't think of any marketing scam that this is much worse than this. Can anybody think of anything specifically worse? Bam is lame, but he did actually start making his fame as a skateboarder. Not "Big" or "Meaty." As much as I'd like to hold Alien at a level higher than this trash, I can't.
Introducing the indestructable board! You can weigh 200 pounds, jump down Wallenberg, land on the tail, and it won't break. Wait - nope, that doesn't exist. They're made out of wood bro. It seemed to hold up ok when he landed on the bolts right? My point exactly - these dudes are way harder on their boards than you could ever be - and they choose what they ride. You don't think Chris Cole could ride for anyone else? A lot of companies special make boards for riders because they don't like the boards their sponsor makes. Chris Cole rides Zero boards because he wants to - not because he has to.
Bam got his start off as a skater - his entourage didn't. Remember the board with Bam's dad on it? How is that different from Rob? Rob still skates all the time and is involved with industry stuff, not just autograph signings. He did enter Tampa this year. Truth is every episode of Rob & Big I've seen has had some legit skating in it. Ever been out skating and had someone tell you to "do jackass." At least Rob & Big aren't single handedly repsonsible for making us look like kooks.
Do you really think that because a team of rippers skates for zero that it says ANYTHING about the boards?
I do think it says something. I can't imagine a company not listening to imput ofrom its riders. Why would Jamie Thomas want to ride shit boards? I can only assume he's not some evil genius laughing at the cash he's making by intentionally selling sub-par boards. I'm 100% certain Zero can have their boards made wherever they want. Having to set up new boards all the time is annoying. I haven't ridden a Zero board since they were made at Watson, but your argument just doesn't make sense. The bottom line is you're not down for the image and you're just overstating an assumption that Black Box is making horrible boards with absolutely nothing to back it up.
Wait, a board can either sell or be good? Come on, you're just talking in circles. Admit it, you don't like the pictures on the boards and you'd never ride one and you have no idea if they're quality or not.
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you have some good points but if you think companies dont cut back on costs for profit, then youre just naive
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agreed.
Kittens and rainbows don't keep the lights on.
When I first moved to Dayton a few years back I was driving up 75 and I saw that huge Castrucci dealership and was like "woah, I wonder if that's the Workshop guy?"
This thread reminded me of that.
I'm rambling. sorry.
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Having ridden Black Box boards, I can say they are not the best. Felt kinda soggy after a few days of steady riding. But they aren't the worst by any means. A lot of people like "broken in" boards and that's what BB decks feel like, broken in. I ride Tum Yeto boards because I worked for them long enough to earn the right to call up their TM and ask for a couple boards and wheels to keep me skating. I think the hate of Castrucci and Jamie has exceeded it's validity. How long do you beat a dead horse until it's still a dead horse?
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I've been riding my local shop boards for the past few years, but before that it was Workshop. Great wood, great shapes.
I bought a shirt, it said 'XL' on the tag, but it was a little tight
CONSPIRACY
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Having ridden Black Box boards, I can say they are not the best. Felt kinda soggy after a few days of steady riding. But they aren't the worst by any means. A lot of people like "broken in" boards and that's what BB decks feel like, broken in. I ride Tum Yeto boards because I worked for them long enough to earn the right to call up their TM and ask for a couple boards and wheels to keep me skating. I think the hate of Castrucci and Jamie has exceeded it's validity. How long do you beat a dead horse until it's still a dead horse?
Smartest post in this thread... And anyone who's loyal to a particular distro knows skunky batches are a fact of life. Blackbox wood not the best, far from the worst. And their business practices are on par or better than 90% of the industry. People just bust their balls 'cause they don't like the image.
But back to the subject of this thread; should industry heads influence the style choices of their riders? I mentioned it in another thread but would the Plan B heads be douche bags for trying to talk Sheckler out of that back tatoo?
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Wait, a board can either sell or be good? Come on, you're just talking in circles. Admit it, you don't like the pictures on the boards and you'd never ride one and you have no idea if they're quality or not.
I never said anything like that. In fact, if you hadn't quoted me I wouldn't know what you were talking about. Again, I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY ABOUT BLACKBOX. I don't love or hate them. If somebody was willing to sell me blackbox shit as cheaply as I get deluxe shit, I'd probably get it. I also never said a board can either sell or be good. I never said shit about quality. I just said it is absurd to think that who rides for a company is ANY reflection on its quality, and your argument from the start was "HOw can they be bad if they have a good team?"
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Wait, a board can either sell or be good? Come on, you're just talking in circles. Admit it, you don't like the pictures on the boards and you'd never ride one and you have no idea if they're quality or not.
I never said anything like that. In fact, if you hadn't quoted me I wouldn't know what you were talking about. Again, I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY ABOUT BLACKBOX. I don't love or hate them. If somebody was willing to sell me blackbox shit as cheaply as I get deluxe shit, I'd probably get it. I also never said a board can either sell or be good. I never said shit about quality. I just said it is absurd to think that who rides for a company is ANY reflection on its quality, and your argument from the start was "HOw can they be bad if they have a good team?" You think shit like how well a board holds up matters compared to the size of the paycheck that a pro gets for it?"
Yes I do. I've never ridden for or heard of a company that wanted to make shit boards so they could make more money - cost is probably the reason Black Box stuff is made in Mexico. Cheaper labor but close enough to keep an eye on quality and not have to ship over the ocean twice (making for dried out brittle boards).
You're right though - you can't assume either way. I just feel like you're assuming it's bad when the dudes who ride them make it seem otherwise - you're saying it could still be shit - and it could. The assumption doesn't sit right with me... sounded like more ungrounded hate. Remember this conversation started because of someone making a comment about "no self respecting skater" and a gun, I was just saying that dude had no idea what he was talking about by assuming that the boards were shit without ever riding one and you took up his defense.
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I don't really care one way or another, but why did you add stuff to my quote, especially when the quote is right above?
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I don't really care one way or another, but why did you add stuff to my quote, especially when the quote is right above?
Because I have no idea what I'm doing. I was trying to copy and paste and somehow wound up typing in your quote. Another industry conspiracy!
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people say zero sucks but if jamie or any zero dude approached anyone on this board with talks of sponsorship, traveling the world, with a paycheck to boot, no one in there right mind is turning it down. but you know, half these dudes who hate zero would turn it down because they're firm in their beliefs, they're hardcore. ::)
blackbox isn't the only one with unsavory business practices, all of the other companies out there are following suit, yet they're the only ones getting shitted on for it. why are the the rest of the companies doing the same thing excluded from the ridicule?
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ACtually, I don't give a shit about black box one way or another. You really buy into a lot of shit. You doubt that a company would go for the bottom line? You think shit like how well a board holds up matters compared to the size of the paycheck that a pro gets for it? You are just to bright eyed to talk to.
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I care about how the boards hold up just as much as any paycheck.
We try to make the strongest boards we can without making them too steep.
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you have some good points but if you think companies dont cut back on costs for profit, then youre just naive
The point is to not cut costs to the point of sacrificing quality just for profit.
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
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ACtually, I don't give a shit about black box one way or another. You really buy into a lot of shit. You doubt that a company would go for the bottom line? You think shit like how well a board holds up matters compared to the size of the paycheck that a pro gets for it? You are just to bright eyed to talk to.
I care about how the boards hold up just as much as any paycheck.
We try to make the strongest boards we can without making them too steep.
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I'm talking about the team here. Do you think you would have the same team if you didn't have as much money in the project and a legend such as yourself wasn't backing it?
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
I don't know much about any business practices, but how you treatin' them workers down in Mexico? They get any benefits? fair pay? What makes it cheaper to make boards in Mexico?
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you have some good points but if you think companies dont cut back on costs for profit, then youre just naive
The point is to not cut costs to the point of sacrificing quality just for profit.
This brings up a good point--there is a spectrum of quality vs. profit and I think Blackbox falls somewhere in the middle, maybe a little right of center. Whereas American pressed decks would fall to the left of center. People who hate blackbox try to make quality/profit black and white like the two can't exist together. Jaimie has to balance quality and profit--I'm sure he doesn't want to sell a Dwindle-like product but does have a lot of paychecks to write.
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" I'm talking about the team here. Do you think you would have the same team if you didn't have as much money in the project and a legend such as yourself wasn't backing it?"
Come on dude, what's your point? Take a deep breath before you post. This isn't a question, and the answer's no. Of course not. I'm not swinging from Jaimies nuts but he's earned the money he pays his riders and rightfully earned his legend status in blood sweat and tears. So what are you saying, he doesn't deserve a solid team and that he's somehow cheated in the skate industry. Stupid.
But you're questions about fair pay for Mexican laborers is good. I've mentioned it before and it never got addressed. Globalization's OK in my book if fair trade is employed. If Jaimie took that shit seriously I might even buy his product. And of course spraypaint over the gothy graphics.
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"What makes it cheaper to make boards in Mexico?"
Opperational costs:
rent
utilities
labor
maybe bullshit NAFTA taxbreaks
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
Yeah, they get benefits and solid pay. The thing they appreciate most is that they have steady work, that's hard to find in Mexico.
The cost of living is lower in Mexico therefore the rent and labor rate is lower.
Other companies make their boards in mexico for the same reasons.
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I'm swinging from Jaimies nuts. Stupid.
All I could see was that. Anything else you have to say?
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I remember reading about the benefits, and slowly lowered my fists too.
I can say for anyone that having benefits is worth most if not all jobs. I can understand freelancers that are fine with the money, but the assurance is always good. You really never know what'll happen.
I would have been dirt poor if not for the company paying for my woman being a hypochondriac.
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
i should not have said "unsavory", its just a bad choice of words, sorry about that.
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I don't know much about any business practices, but how you treatin' them workers down in Mexico? They get any benefits? fair pay?
ummmm, mexico is not the USA, therefore fair wages and all that other stuff mentioned means nothing, thats stuff is strictly for TAX PAYING AMERICANS ONLY. i'm all for keeping things fair(within the 50 states) but mexicans residents(that means people living in mexico, not mexicans living LEGALLY here in the states) aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing.
fuck that shit! if you want to live like americans, if you want what americans got, learn the language and file for citizenship like my forefathers and their forefathers before them.
and before anyone goes apeshit on me, i'd like to add i have nothing against mexican people, i actually have the utmost respect for them.
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
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I don't know much about any business practices, but how you treatin' them workers down in Mexico? They get any benefits? fair pay?
ummmm, mexico is not the USA, therefore fair wages and all that other stuff mentioned means nothing, thats stuff is strictly for TAX PAYING AMERICANS ONLY. i'm all for keeping things fair(within the 50 states) but mexicans residents(that means people living in mexico, not mexicans living LEGALLY here in the states) aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing.
fuck that shit! if you want to live like americans, if you want what americans got, learn the language and file for citizenship like my forefathers and their forefathers before them.
and before anyone goes apeshit on me, i'd like to add i have nothing against mexican people, i actually have the utmost respect for them.
We also don't give them any government services, why would they pay us taxes?
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I'm swinging from Jaimies nuts. Stupid.
What, are you beyond reproach? If someone calls you out your eyes go out of focus and your mind manipulates what they say? What are you thirteen?
Instead of manipulating what I said to look cool why don't you address the content of what a wrote? If I said something stupid call me out. Where exactly did I swing from Jaimie's nuts? By saying he's earned his status? Tell me he hasn't. Your stupid question doesn't make me swing from Jaimie's nuts, it makes you look like a dipshit.
But at the same time you addressed a good point with the Mexican labor issue. Just because your question about his team was stupid doesn't mean I can't see the wisdom in another one of your posts.
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
Yeah, they get benefits and solid pay. The thing they appreciate most is that they have steady work, that's hard to find in Mexico.
The cost of living is lower in Mexico therefore the rent and labor rate is lower.
Other companies make their boards in mexico for the same reasons.
Benefits are a start but "solid pay" doesn't tell me anything. I'm sure the landscaper who picks up migrants on the corner every morning thinks $6.00 an hour's solid pay. Is it a living wage? There's ways to figure that out and as a business ower it's your duty to do so if you care about social justice. Products can be certified as "fair trade" and I'm sure with a little research you could figure that out.
"Steady Work" sounds good but desparate people take shitty steady work because they're desparate. I'm sure prostitution's a steady gig.
How about that Theotis? "Do you think you'd have a good team if they had to work for free and you had no skate cred?" Real thought provoking...
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ACtually, I don't give a shit about black box one way or another. You really buy into a lot of shit. You doubt that a company would go for the bottom line? You think shit like how well a board holds up matters compared to the size of the paycheck that a pro gets for it? You are just to bright eyed to talk to.
I care about how the boards hold up just as much as any paycheck.
We try to make the strongest boards we can without making them too steep.
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From the guy in charge. Sometimes stating the obvious can be profound. Why wouldn't a skater want to ride a good board?
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ACtually, I don't give a shit about black box one way or another. You really buy into a lot of shit. You doubt that a company would go for the bottom line? You think shit like how well a board holds up matters compared to the size of the paycheck that a pro gets for it? You are just to bright eyed to talk to.
I care about how the boards hold up just as much as any paycheck.
We try to make the strongest boards we can without making them too steep.
From the guy in charge. Sometimes stating the obvious can be profound. Why wouldn't a skater want to ride a good board?
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ummmm, mexico is not the USA, therefore fair wages and all that other stuff mentioned means nothing, thats stuff is strictly for TAX PAYING AMERICANS ONLY. i'm all for keeping things fair(within the 50 states) but mexicans residents(that means people living in mexico, not mexicans living LEGALLY here in the states) aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing.
fuck that shit! if you want to live like americans, if you want what americans got, learn the language and file for citizenship like my forefathers and their forefathers before them.
and before anyone goes apeshit on me, i'd like to add i have nothing against mexican people, i actually have the utmost respect for them.
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you my friend are ignorant, no need to argue this point if you dont kinow why i cant help you. "mexicans residents aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing." had to double quote this line.
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
Yeah, they get benefits and solid pay. The thing they appreciate most is that they have steady work, that's hard to find in Mexico.
The cost of living is lower in Mexico therefore the rent and labor rate is lower.
Other companies make their boards in mexico for the same reasons.
It's pretty clear that the US is moving toward a service economy and can't compete on any level in terms of manufacture. Skateboards have been slow to move overseas because the wood is tempermental and the product wasn't produced in quantities high enough to warrant it until recently. The US has one of the highest standards of living and as long as the market demands $30 boards and US workers demand $30 an hour companies will move their wood overseas. Where it gets tricky is that the woodshops that supplied US board companies so long are still around - and they've lowered their minimums to accomodate shop boards and stay in business. Keep in mind that there's a fair amount of employees working in Southern California woodshops whose citezenship is questionable. It's not like buying American boards necessarily puts cash in skaters pockets and Mexico seems to be a good alternative to China - who everyone seems to think makes shit boards.
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ummmm, mexico is not the USA, therefore fair wages and all that other stuff mentioned means nothing, thats stuff is strictly for TAX PAYING AMERICANS ONLY. i'm all for keeping things fair(within the 50 states) but mexicans residents(that means people living in mexico, not mexicans living LEGALLY here in the states) aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing.
fuck that shit! if you want to live like americans, if you want what americans got, learn the language and file for citizenship like my forefathers and their forefathers before them.
and before anyone goes apeshit on me, i'd like to add i have nothing against mexican people, i actually have the utmost respect for them.
you my friend are ignorant, no need to argue this point if you dont kinow why i cant help you. "mexicans residents aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing." had to double quote this line.
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and you can't read.
sorry you missed it but, TB said how boards are being made in mexcio(hence being made by mexican residents) and how those people should receive fair wages and benefits.
i'm simply stating that the mexicans he speaks of don't deserve that. no fair wages, no benefits, that its strictly for tax paying americans. does it make sense now?
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" I'm talking about the team here. Do you think you would have the same team if you didn't have as much money in the project and a legend such as yourself wasn't backing it?"
Come on dude, what's your point? Take a deep breath before you post. This isn't a question, and the answer's no. Of course not. I'm not swinging from Jaimies nuts but he's earned the money he pays his riders and rightfully earned his legend status in blood sweat and tears. So what are you saying, he doesn't deserve a solid team and that he's somehow cheated in the skate industry. Stupid.
But you're questions about fair pay for Mexican laborers is good. I've mentioned it before and it never got addressed. Globalization's OK in my book if fair trade is employed. If Jaimie took that shit seriously I might even buy his product. And of course spraypaint over the gothy graphics.
Ok, if you want me to explain why all I could see is you swinging from Jamie's fucking nuts I can explain it point by point.
FIRST, you come flying in to Jamie's defense. He could have defended himself, if he needed me to. Funny thing is, I wasn't insulting him one bit. But you start defending his honor as if it needed defending, and jump in on a conversation that you obviously have not read back on.
SECOND, you responded without even knowing what you were responding to. Your questions such as "whats your point" and "what are you saying," as well as your take on what I was saying show just how uninvolved in the conversation you were. Yet, because Jamie Thomas is involved you feel the need to put in your two cents, and from what I can see, all you care about is that people don't make Jamie feel bad. The person who I WAS addressing was rasing the point that zero's team riders ride for zero because the boards are strong. I said it was rediculous, and raised the point that Jamie Thomas is a legend in the skateboard community, and also has a fat wallet, and those two reasons are why the team is who they are. The reason I phrased it as a question was because it was a hypothetical, with an obvious answer, which illustrated my point.
So yeah, all I could see was you trying to kiss Jamie's ass without bringing up anything relevant, and in fact, having no idea what you were responding to.
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Benefits are a start but "solid pay" doesn't tell me anything. I'm sure the landscaper who picks up migrants on the corner every morning thinks $6.00 an hour's solid pay. Is it a living wage? There's ways to figure that out and as a business ower it's your duty to do so if you care about social justice. Products can be certified as "fair trade" and I'm sure with a little research you could figure that out.
"Steady Work" sounds good but desparate people take shitty steady work because they're desparate. I'm sure prostitution's a steady gig.
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Yeah, I'm defending his honor... And who's not reading up on this post? And maybe I misread or misconstrued your post but I thought you basically asked Jaimie, "would you have such a solid team if you didn't pay your riders and you weren't a legend?" What's the relevance there? Anyone? You were illustrating the point that it takes money and cred to establish a good team? Whoa... Earth shattering. But it's not all money and cred, those dudes skate for who they do 'cause they fit the gnar hesh image. Except for the Scottsman. I still can't figure that one out. Maybe that one is just money and cred.
Just because I don't post stupid shit every chance I get don't think I don't read up or am out of the loop of your stupid ass exclusive slap message board club. Maybe I skate more than I post.
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ummmm, mexico is not the USA, therefore fair wages and all that other stuff mentioned means nothing, thats stuff is strictly for TAX PAYING AMERICANS ONLY. i'm all for keeping things fair(within the 50 states) but mexicans residents(that means people living in mexico, not mexicans living LEGALLY here in the states) aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing.
fuck that shit! if you want to live like americans, if you want what americans got, learn the language and file for citizenship like my forefathers and their forefathers before them.
and before anyone goes apeshit on me, i'd like to add i have nothing against mexican people, i actually have the utmost respect for them.
you my friend are ignorant, no need to argue this point if you dont kinow why i cant help you. "mexicans residents aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing." had to double quote this line.
and you can't read.
sorry you missed it but, TB said how boards are being made in mexcio(hence being made by mexican residents) and how those people should receive fair wages and benefits.
i'm simply stating that the mexicans he speaks of don't deserve that. no fair wages, no benefits, that its strictly for tax paying americans. does it make sense now?
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I hope this is a joke... You think only "tax paying americans" support our lifestyles? We buy all the shit we do because it's affordable, because it's made by people desparate enough to take shit for pay. Non taxpaying non Americans support our lifestyle more than the legal residents. Most of our tax money goes to the military and "defending" our border, which at this point in history does shit for our "lifestyle." It's all economics... All of it. And if we paid people a living wage in places like Mexico we'd see a huge decrease in people being pushed and pulled illegally across the border. It's a little more complex than that but look at places like the EU. Those contries are the size of US states and you don't see the imigration problem we do here. Because the EU invests in the infastructure of poorer EU countries (like Slovakia and Poland) so they don't just become a source of cheap labor.
Do you really think the US is better off treating the rest of the world like shit or turning a blind eye?
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ummmm, mexico is not the USA, therefore fair wages and all that other stuff mentioned means nothing, thats stuff is strictly for TAX PAYING AMERICANS ONLY. i'm all for keeping things fair(within the 50 states) but mexicans residents(that means people living in mexico, not mexicans living LEGALLY here in the states) aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing.
fuck that shit! if you want to live like americans, if you want what americans got, learn the language and file for citizenship like my forefathers and their forefathers before them.
and before anyone goes apeshit on me, i'd like to add i have nothing against mexican people, i actually have the utmost respect for them.
you my friend are ignorant, no need to argue this point if you dont kinow why i cant help you. "mexicans residents aren't supporting the US in anyway whatsoever, so they deserve absolutely nothing." had to double quote this line.
and you can't read.
sorry you missed it but, TB said how boards are being made in mexcio(hence being made by mexican residents) and how those people should receive fair wages and benefits.
i'm simply stating that the mexicans he speaks of don't deserve that. no fair wages, no benefits, that its strictly for tax paying americans. does it make sense now?
I hope this is a joke... You think only "tax paying americans" support our lifestyles? We buy all the shit we do because it's affordable, because it's made by people desparate enough to take shit for pay. Non taxpaying non Americans support our lifestyle more than the legal residents. Most of our tax money goes to the military and "defending" our border, which at this point in history does shit for our "lifestyle." It's all economics... All of it. And if we paid people a living wage in places like Mexico we'd see a huge decrease in people being pushed and pulled illegally across the border. It's a little more complex than that but look at places like the EU. Those contries are the size of US state and you don't see the imigration problem we do here. Because the EU invests in the infastructure of poorer EU countries (like Slovakia and Poland) so they don't just become a source of cheap labor.
Do you think the US is better off treating the rest of the world like shit or turning a blind eye?
thats not at all what i'm saying. i'm saying "fair wages and benefits" is an american concept for americans, founded by americans. therefore this should not include anyone whos not american. the term "living wage" is also american, coined by americans in regards to fair wages for tax paying american citizens, not mexicans, not ukraniains or anyone else. and when i say support, i don't mean lifestyle, i mean pay taxes, vote, and all that other the shit that makes us america.
and to asnwer your last question, "treating the world like shit" is a bit of a stretch but i do believe we should turn a blind eye towards everyone elses problems. when we're in someone elses business and we get shitted on for it. when we're not in someone elses business we get shitted on for it. why even bother?, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. our country is fucked up enough as is and we should fix us, before helping someone else. i say close all the borders and put up the closed sign. i think we can fend for ourselves just fine and the rest of the planet can do whatever the hell they please, just don't bring it this way, and don't ask for our help then spit in our faces later down road like they always do.
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
Yeah, they get benefits and solid pay. The thing they appreciate most is that they have steady work, that's hard to find in Mexico.
The cost of living is lower in Mexico therefore the rent and labor rate is lower.
Other companies make their boards in mexico for the same reasons.
Benefits are a start but "solid pay" doesn't tell me anything. I'm sure the landscaper who picks up migrants on the corner every morning thinks $6.00 an hour's solid pay. Is it a living wage? There's ways to figure that out and as a business ower it's your duty to do so if you care about social justice. Products can be certified as "fair trade" and I'm sure with a little research you could figure that out.
"Steady Work" sounds good but desparate people take shitty steady work because they're desparate. I'm sure prostitution's a steady gig.
How about that Theotis? "Do you think you'd have a good team if they had to work for free and you had no skate cred?" Real thought provoking...
Come on dude, you calling me out to impress Theotis?
Solid pay means we pay them the labor rate set by the goverment, so it's not a sweat shop.
Steady work means that things aren't exactly thriving in Tijuana, so they're psyched to have a job day in day out.
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I'd love to hear what these so-called unsavory/sketchy business practices are?
Malls, discounts, Iasc, lame boards for the sake of profits?
Some of this stuff has been discussed, but that thread's gone now. If anyone has something to say, I'll give you our take and if we're sketchy, maybe I can change some crap.
Yeah, they get benefits and solid pay. The thing they appreciate most is that they have steady work, that's hard to find in Mexico.
The cost of living is lower in Mexico therefore the rent and labor rate is lower.
Other companies make their boards in mexico for the same reasons.
Benefits are a start but "solid pay" doesn't tell me anything. I'm sure the landscaper who picks up migrants on the corner every morning thinks $6.00 an hour's solid pay. Is it a living wage? There's ways to figure that out and as a business ower it's your duty to do so if you care about social justice. Products can be certified as "fair trade" and I'm sure with a little research you could figure that out.
"Steady Work" sounds good but desparate people take shitty steady work because they're desparate. I'm sure prostitution's a steady gig.
How about that Theotis? "Do you think you'd have a good team if they had to work for free and you had no skate cred?" Real thought provoking...
Come on dude, you calling me out to impress Theotis?
Solid pay means we pay them the labor rate set by the goverment, so it's not a sweat shop.
Steady work means that things aren't exactly thriving in Tijuana, so they're psyched to have a job day in day out.
I'm not "calling you out" because I don't know what your practices are... Just posing a question, and hope you look into that shit because your company rides on the back of real people. And I could care less about Theo... When he has good points cool, when he acts like a 13 yr old elitest and makes stupid posts I'll call him out. Subtract Theo from this discussion; are my questions valid?
And I don't need a definition of steady work. I know people living in poverty are stoked to have a day-in/day-out job but that doesn't justify not paying them a living wage. Giving people steady table scraps doesn't make a company just.
I'm not sure what a living wage is in Tijajuana but someone could figure it out. Benefits are cool, props for that. But based on what you pay your workers can they afford housing, food, and education for their kids?
I understand the importance of proximity for business reasons but I'm kinda bummed the factory's located in TJ. Maquiladoras in border towns cause migration from within Mexico, from rural to urban border areas which displaces families and puts the "have nots" right at our borders, ready to cross when things begin to look better over here.
I'm a realist and don't expect for you to move your plant inland to support rural people but looking into what a living wage is would be a good start. And that does not mean the same thing as Mexican minimum wage. The Mexican gov't is corrupt so the labor rate they set is shit. They want to attract American investors and don't have a good track record of treating their people with dignity. You can do better than that.
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I'm not "calling you out" because I don't know what your practices are... Just posing a question, and hope you look into that shit because your company rides on the back of real people. And I could care less about Theo... When he has good points cool, when he acts like a 13 yr old elitest and makes stupid posts I'll call him out. Subtract Theo from this discussion; are my questions valid?
And I don't need a definition of steady work. I know people living in poverty are stoked to have a day-in/day-out job but that doesn't justify not paying them a living wage. Giving people steady table scraps doesn't make a company just.
I'm not sure what a living wage is in Tijajuana but someone could figure it out. Benefits are cool, props for that. But based on what you pay your workers can they afford housing, food, and education for their kids?
I understand the importance of proximity for business reasons but I'm kinda bummed the factory's located in TJ. Maquiladoras in border towns cause migration from within Mexico, from rural to urban border areas which displaces families and puts the "have nots" right at our borders, ready to cross when things begin to look better over here.
I'm a realist and don't expect for you to move your plant inland to support rural people but looking into what a living wage is would be a good start. And that does not mean the same thing as Mexican minimum wage. The Mexican gov't is corrupt so the labor rate they set is shit. They want to attract American investors and don't have a good track record of treating their people with dignity. You can do better than that.
i feel what you're saying, its hard to disagree with some of what you posted but jamie isn't running for political office and hes not running a charity, hes running a business. you make it sound like he has to be this do-gooder in order to meet your unreasonably high expectations of what a company should be, is that even fair?
you also make it sound like having a job is not a right, when in fact having a job is a privilage. no one is forcing anyone at gunpoint to work for $5 and hour, its by their choice. if someone doesn't want to work for $5 an hour, they should go to school, study hard, graduate college and make something of themselves. don't put that lack of effort/resources on someone elses shoulders and cry for equality and fairness, life is supposed to be hard.
heres one of my favorite quotes as of recent. its from the rocky movie that came out a little while ago and i just love it...
"Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place and it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done. Now, if you know what you're worth, then go out and get what you're worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hit, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you are because of him, or her, or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain't you. You're better than that!"
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I'm not "calling you out" because I don't know what your practices are... Just posing a question, and hope you look into that shit because your company rides on the back of real people. And I could care less about Theo... When he has good points cool, when he acts like a 13 yr old elitest and makes stupid posts I'll call him out. Subtract Theo from this discussion; are my questions valid?
And I don't need a definition of steady work. I know people living in poverty are stoked to have a day-in/day-out job but that doesn't justify not paying them a living wage. Giving people steady table scraps doesn't make a company just.
I'm not sure what a living wage is in Tijajuana but someone could figure it out. Benefits are cool, props for that. But based on what you pay your workers can they afford housing, food, and education for their kids?
I understand the importance of proximity for business reasons but I'm kinda bummed the factory's located in TJ. Maquiladoras in border towns cause migration from within Mexico, from rural to urban border areas which displaces families and puts the "have nots" right at our borders, ready to cross when things begin to look better over here.
I'm a realist and don't expect for you to move your plant inland to support rural people but looking into what a living wage is would be a good start. And that does not mean the same thing as Mexican minimum wage. The Mexican gov't is corrupt so the labor rate they set is shit. They want to attract American investors and don't have a good track record of treating their people with dignity. You can do better than that.
i feel what you're saying, its hard to disagree with some of what you posted but jamie isn't running for political office and hes not running a charity, hes running a business. you make it sound like he has to be this do-gooder in order to meet your unreasonably high expectations of what a company should be, is that even fair?
you also make it sound like having a job is not a right, when in fact having a job is a privilage. no one is forcing anyone at gunpoint to work for $5 and hour, its by their choice. if someone doesn't want to work for $5 an hour, they should go to school, study hard, graduate college and make something of themselves. don't put that lack of effort/resources on someone elses shoulders and cry for equality and fairness, life is supposed to be hard.
heres one of my favorite quotes as of recent. its from the rocky movie that came out a little while ago and i just love it...
First off the only Rocky you should be quoting is Rocky 4. Ivan Drago kicked ass.
Secondly, treating people right isn't about charity or political office. You treat people right because if you don't you're an asshole. That goes for whatever your lot in life is.
That said it's easy for me to take the moral high ground because it's not my bread and butter. So in a sense you're right, it's not fair to hold him to some unrealistic standard. But fair or not I hope as a business owner he would hope his employees aren't being taken advantage of.
And the "work is a privelidge not a right" is stupid. It's neither. If you've got mouths to feed it's a necessity. And just because people take shit jobs for shit pay without a gun to their head doesn't let the shit owner off the hook. Desparate people do desparate things to make ends.
My guess is Jaimie is pretty removed from the factory workers and what the make, in proportion to thier cost of living. I'm sure he's got a lot on his plate and rests well with providing steady work for his Mexican employees paying Mexican minimums plus bennies. But it'd be cool if he took it to the next level produced a fair trade product.
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Benefits are a start but "solid pay" doesn't tell me anything. I'm sure the landscaper who picks up migrants on the corner every morning thinks $6.00 an hour's solid pay. Is it a living wage? There's ways to figure that out and as a business ower it's your duty to do so if you care about social justice. Products can be certified as "fair trade" and I'm sure with a little research you could figure that out.
"Steady Work" sounds good but desparate people take shitty steady work because they're desparate. I'm sure prostitution's a steady gig.
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Yeah, I'm defending his honor... And who's not reading up on this post? And maybe I misread or misconstrued your post but I thought you basically asked Jaimie, "would you have such a solid team if you didn't pay your riders and you weren't a legend?" What's the relevance there? Anyone? You were illustrating the point that it takes money and cred to establish a good team? Whoa... Earth shattering. But it's not all money and cred, those dudes skate for who they do 'cause they fit the gnar hesh image. Except for the Scottsman. I still can't figure that one out. Maybe that one is just money and cred.
Just because I don't post stupid shit every chance I get don't think I don't read up or am out of the loop of your stupid ass exclusive slap message board club. Maybe I skate more than I post.
Look at the shit "row from the rocks" wrote. ME and HIM were discussing his assumption that because the riders go hard on the boards, that they must be stronger, implying that the product has anything to do with their endorsment. Yes, I did point out the obvious, but it was relevant to the conversation at hand. Then you bust in talking all sorts of shit as if I am an idiot for clearly stating something. And I don't see how saying Jamie Thomas is an icon or legend requires anybody to step up to bat for him. But if you want to, go ahead. Do you get it yet? How about this, since you clearly need shit spelled out for you. I WAS IN NO WAY ATTACKING JAMIE THOMAS. Get it? Its kind of rediculous to step in front of a bullet that hasn't been fired. And just so you know, check the IP on the past few posts. I was at work. Maybe you are a better worker than me, but I doubt you skate more.
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i think we can all agree that skateboarding in general is just plain expensive right? well the price of skateboards has been the same since i started(back in 86-87), while the price of everything anything else on the planet has gone up.
perhaps companies have no choice but to take their production to other countries, otherwise they'll end up having to jack up the price of boards to something more ridiculous than $50. would you pay $100 if it were made in the USA? would you pay $75?
i think companies are worried about keeping the price of decks down more than anything else. of course i'd like a better board, we all do, but i know for sure i wouldn't pay out $75 let alone a $100 for a board no matter how good it was...not because i'm poor, just based on principle.
just another factor to think about.
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ME and HIM were discussing his assumption that because the riders go hard on the boards, that they must be stronger, implying that the product has anything to do with their endorsment."
I get it... In your mind this is some exclusive club... Sorry bud, this a MESSAGE BOARD, open to the public. In essence you were discussing your views with everyone who looks at these boards.
"I WAS IN NO WAY ATTACKING JAMIE THOMAS." Maybe you're on his nuts for spelling this out in all caps; I could care less if you were attacking him or not. I just read something that didn't make sense.
Dude I'm sorry if I raised your blood pressure. I just saw what looked like a dumb post and called it out. My bad if I misconstrued what you were trying to say. I'm more interested in the global issues at hand in regards to skateboarding and overseas production. If you or Jaime or anyone else ignore the free trade/fair trade issues discussed here as of late because you get side tracked on some stupid beef that's lame.
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I just worry about how much money is going into my pocket. I don't give two shits how much is going into anyone elses.
Maybe some of you guys should just go cut down and veneer some of your own trees. Make your own boards.
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thats just too gnarly, i'm quitting skateboarding and moving to extreme pogo!
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Just hit me that's Andy Mac. Nice business venture.
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You guys got your own beef going on, but to address your points Jessico...
Our factory is just outside of TJ and it's where it is because it's got a good place of industry to house the factory and it's accessible for us to manage. We bus people in to work from TJ and a few smaller rural places so they don't have to move their families. The salaries are set by the goverment and I believe they've taken into consideration what someone needs to eat on. I didn't interview every employee, so I'm sure they all have different needs, but our managers do their best to accomodate.
Is our wood factory the reason people say we have unsavory/sketchy business practices, probably not. Anyone else have any issues?
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When is the battle withe Goth guy going down? That would be priceless.
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When is the battle withe Goth guy going down? That would be priceless.
I don't know, I just posted on the myspace thread and told him I'm down to come to Kansas City, so we'll see.
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just your shitty companies, team and videos.
and 'chief', i'm not gnarly, i'm fresh, ok?
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just your shitty companies, team and videos.
and 'chief', i'm not gnarly, i'm fresh, ok?
Our company, team and videos sucking are irrelevant to business practices, but thanks for the reminder that we suck.
Not to get all Nevermore on you, but you never post anything positive, you're the ultimate "cool guy."
I hope to meet you one day, so I can be blessed by your coolness.
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we met a long time ago.
you had the stars and stripes painted on your grip.
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You guys got your own beef going on, but to address your points Jessico...
Our factory is just outside of TJ and it's where it is because it's got a good place of industry to house the factory and it's accessible for us to manage. We bus people in to work from TJ and a few smaller rural places so they don't have to move their families. The salaries are set by the goverment and I believe they've taken into consideration what someone needs to eat on. I didn't interview every employee, so I'm sure they all have different needs, but our managers do their best to accomodate.
Is our wood factory the reason people say we have unsavory/sketchy business practices, probably not. Anyone else have any issues?
Good point... The unsavory/sketchy business practices bullshit I read on here, in my mind, all comes down image/marketing/style. And maybe some personal beef mixed in there.Combine all that with the fact that you put yourself out here for people to beat up on. No one goes after the other distros like they do Blackbox and pisses me off how people let the other companies slide who press boards overseas and market to malls. And truth be told, even if you ran the most ethical fair trade cooperative in all of Mexico, people who don't like the Blackbox image still wouldn't buy.
That said, I just hope you're intentional about your business practices in Mexico. Which means more than relying on the Mexican government to set fair minimum wages. The Mexican elite make bank off foreign investment and intentionally set minimums low to attract the production sector. The latest figures I could find were for 2006, and at that time Mexican minimum wage was $4.20 per day. That's shitty even when taking into consideration the cost of living in Mexico. The factor in a few kids to feed and education.
Another aspect of Maquiladora production is the exploitation of women and the use of Mexican cultural norms to set wages. Mexico traditionally pays women far less than men and its common practice for Maquiladoras to hire women and pay them less to cut production costs. That's something to check out with your managers and make sure women are getting equal pay for equal work.
I don't expect you to go down and interview every employee or set up a fair trade coop in rural Mexico. But looking at fair trade standards to see how Blackbox compares would be a stand up thing to do.
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we met a long time ago.
you had the stars and stripes painted on your grip.
In Europe?
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we met a long time ago.
you had the stars and stripes painted on your grip.
In Europe?
yea, somewhere like that.
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You guys got your own beef going on, but to address your points Jessico...
Our factory is just outside of TJ and it's where it is because it's got a good place of industry to house the factory and it's accessible for us to manage. We bus people in to work from TJ and a few smaller rural places so they don't have to move their families. The salaries are set by the goverment and I believe they've taken into consideration what someone needs to eat on. I didn't interview every employee, so I'm sure they all have different needs, but our managers do their best to accomodate.
Is our wood factory the reason people say we have unsavory/sketchy business practices, probably not. Anyone else have any issues?
Good point... The unsavory/sketchy business practices bullshit I read on here, in my mind, all comes down image/marketing/style. And maybe some personal beef mixed in there.Combine all that with the fact that you put yourself out here for people to beat up on. No one goes after the other distros like they do Blackbox and pisses me off how people let the other companies slide who press boards overseas and market to malls. And truth be told, even if you ran the most ethical fair trade cooperative in all of Mexico, people who don't like the Blackbox image still wouldn't buy.
That said, I just hope you're intentional about your business practices in Mexico. Which means more than relying on the Mexican government to set fair minimum wages. The Mexican elite make bank off foreign investment and intentionally set minimums low to attract the production sector. The latest figures I could find were for 2006, and at that time Mexican minimum wage was $4.20 per day. That's shitty even when taking into consideration the cost of living in Mexico. The factor in a few kids to feed and education.
Another aspect of Maquiladora production is the exploitation of women and the use of Mexican cultural norms to set wages. Mexico traditionally pays women far less than men and its common practice for Maquiladoras to hire women and pay them less to cut production costs. That's something to check out with your managers and make sure women are getting equal pay for equal work.
I don't expect you to go down and interview every employee or set up a fair trade coop in rural Mexico. But looking at fair trade standards to see how Blackbox compares would be a stand up thing to do.
I'm gonna throw this out there again:
It's pretty clear that the US is moving toward a service economy and can't compete on any level in terms of manufacture. Skateboards have been slow to move overseas because the wood is tempermental and the product wasn't produced in quantities high enough to warrant it until recently. The US has one of the highest standards of living and as long as the market demands $30 boards and US workers demand $30 an hour companies will move their wood overseas. Where it gets tricky is that the woodshops that supplied US board companies so long are still around - and they've lowered their minimums to accomodate shop boards and stay in business. Keep in mind that there's a fair amount of employees working in Southern California woodshops whose citezenship is questionable. It's not like buying American boards necessarily puts cash in skaters pockets and Mexico seems to be a good alternative to China - who everyone seems to think makes shit boards.
Are you asking Jamie to single handedly bring US standards of living to Mexico? Are you willing to pay more for your board or take your standard of living down a notch? Or are you just pointing out that Mexico is poorer than the US and since it's close it's easy for US companies to take advantage of the cheap labor?
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I'll agree with one thing, talking about low wages in wood shops when applied to Black Box is regular. Why not shoot an email over to Crailtap - or harass Cliff or something.
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I'll agree with one thing, talking about low wages in wood shops when applied to Black Box is regular. Why not shoot an email over to Crailtap - or harass Cliff or something.
Word... Girl distro deserves all the same hate Blackbox gets.
And Row from the Rocks you make some good points... Globalization shit's complicated any way you slice it. And I'm not saying pay Mexican workers California minimum wage. I'm saying translate the California minimum wage into a Mexican equivilant by factoring the differences in cost of living. I'd bet the bank that comes out to more the 4 or 5 bucks a day. And pay female employees the same as male. Period.
And would I pay $80 a board for that, no. But I would pay a few more bucks per board.
Look, we've got the problems we do with immigration/economics because we've got the haves living next door to the have nots. There are the Mexican elite but they are the huge minority, and the Mexican working class is really pretty poor. I just wish the US gov't would be long sighted and proactive. Instead of throwing BILLIONS of dollars into a dumbshit border fence and more inforcement, how about investing in Mexican infastruction and small business with low or no interest loans? Why not up the environmental/labor standards so Mexican laborers would want to actually stay in Mexico. Why not put real pressure on the Mexican gov't to really clean up it's corrupt act? And these aren't my untested lofty from behind the computer aspirations. This is what the EU does every time it takes in a new country to prevent the shit we're dealing with here. The Eastern Block countries were facing similar social situations Mexico has but the EU equals the playing feild before membership is granted. Now that's some smart shit and it pisses me off the US instead exploits it's neighbor and builds a fence to try and contain them.
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we met a long time ago.
you had the stars and stripes painted on your grip.
In Europe?
yea, somewhere like that.
Did you tell me how rad you were?
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we met a long time ago.
you had the stars and stripes painted on your grip.
In Europe?
yea, somewhere like that.
Did you tell me how rad you were?
nah, we were making fun of how you and rowley were dressed the same and following each other about, i think you heard us.
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I'll agree with one thing, talking about low wages in wood shops when applied to Black Box is regular. Why not shoot an email over to Crailtap - or harass Cliff or something.
Word... Girl distro deserves all the same hate Blackbox gets.
And Row from the Rocks you make some good points... Globalization shit's complicated any way you slice it. And I'm not saying pay Mexican workers California minimum wage. I'm saying translate the California minimum wage into a Mexican equivilant by factoring the differences in cost of living. I'd bet the bank that comes out to more the 4 or 5 bucks a day. And pay female employees the same as male. Period.
And would I pay $80 a board for that, no. But I would pay a few more bucks per board.
Look, we've got the problems we do with immigration/economics because we've got the haves living next door to the have nots. There are the Mexican elite but they are the huge minority, and the Mexican working class is really pretty poor. I just wish the US gov't would be long sighted and proactive. Instead of throwing BILLIONS of dollars into a dumbshit border fence and more inforcement, how about investing in Mexican infastruction and small business with low or no interest loans? Why not up the environmental/labor standards so Mexican laborers would want to actually stay in Mexico. Why not put real pressure on the Mexican gov't to really clean up it's corrupt act? And these aren't my untested lofty from behind the computer aspirations. This is what the EU does every time it takes in a new country to prevent the shit we're dealing with here. The Eastern Block countries were facing similar social situations Mexico has but the EU equals the playing feild before membership is granted. Now that's some smart shit and it pisses me off the US instead exploits it's neighbor and builds a fence to try and contain them.
I've thought along these lines for years and it was reinforced when I lived in SD. This a part of having a completely capitalist government. The dollar means more than anything, even what's best for humanity. With that said, Jamie (and any other entrepreneur) are dealing with the system we have now. I would rather support Mexican made boards than China made boards. It's choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
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I would rather support Mexican made boards than China made boards. It's choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
you realise that lot of people around the world would see the us as the most evil of the three?
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mexicans are less evil than chinese -- got it.
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True enough... I'd buy Mexican too over China, but I hope things move more towards equity across the border. Immigration'll stay a mess if it doesn't.
And true, industry heads do have to opperate in the system we live in. And Jaimie doesn't have shit to prove to this message board--most kids who post here are stupid anyway. That said he's got the opportunity to raise the bar in the industry.
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I would rather support Mexican made boards than China made boards. It's choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
you realise that lot of people around the world would see the us as the most evil of the three?
mexicans are less evil than chinese -- got it.
No, you missed the point entirely. Both governments lack certain ethics (as well as the USA) but if I had to choose where to buy decks from, it would be Mexico. Mexican and Chinese people are great. I truly respect and admire their cultures. I'm not rascist and I resent you insuating I am. And, while the USA is not exactly the most ethical government in the world, I stand a better chance of not getting shot at a protest here than in China (although, in LA, it's entirely possible). EVERY business worldwide should use their influence to raise the standard everywhere they conduct business. Reality is, C.R.E.A.M. and every business understands that and won't change their practices because of it.
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Canadian wood is always more erect.
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mexicans are less evil than chinese -- got it.
Chinese wood sits on a boat for a long time, twice.
Chinese glue sucks.
Chinese environmental/labor practices are worse.
Takes more fossile fuels to ship wood back and forth across the Pacific than drive them up from TJ.
Mexico is our neighbor--helping develop their economy makes sense.
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we met a long time ago.
you had the stars and stripes painted on your grip.
In Europe?
yea, somewhere like that.
Did you tell me how rad you were?
nah, we were making fun of how you and rowley were dressed the same and following each other about, i think you heard us.
You were making fun of me and Rowley at Munster, wow, you've been cool for a long time, that was 1995...keep up the good work.
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otis is deftly placing himself in serious contention with when brooklyn brawler got his shrinkwrapped spoon tape signed by dill in his mid-twenties
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otis is deftly placing himself in serious contention with when brooklyn brawler got his shrinkwrapped spoon tape signed by dill in his mid-twenties
except like you, i am a habitual liar.
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zing!
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I also can't believe the free pass Girl/Chocolate get on all this sort of shit.
Thank you. That said just because Girl's worse doesn't give Blackbox a free pass. The fair trade shit we've discussed still applies.
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but those girl guys are like....cool and shit....
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I wouldn't buy either one. If I bought boards, I'd go with Penn wood or Gangemi's jawn.
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haha
yeah I got beef with girl too. Love the team, image, clothes etc ... but those dudes(upstairs) fuckin suck. At least jamie has a building full (75%)of skaters working there. he could hire cheaper, better, imported help, but he hires die trying, gilley, drake, and so many dudes who only got there foot in the door for a sec. Everybody can be a snake or a shark or a platypus at somepoint.
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Finally... I've been trying to get some Girl hate stirred up for a while...
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otis is deftly placing himself in serious contention with when brooklyn brawler got his shrinkwrapped spoon tape signed by dill in his mid-twenties
except like you, i am a habitual liar.
oh, rad. ominous baseless stab.
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otis is deftly placing himself in serious contention with when brooklyn brawler got his shrinkwrapped spoon tape signed by dill in his mid-twenties
except like you, i am a habitual liar.
You guys take some really vague, strange shots at each other. Someone should organize a Slap message board game of SKATE to end all these pissing contests. Although I highly doubt there's a correlation between sick skating and smart posting.
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thats because alot of us have been posting here for years and know others traits or take jabs at people when we know who they really are.
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but nobody even wants to talk about Girl/Choco pressing decks in China.
Its one thing to press in China and over-see manufacturing & testing on-site with real skaters that know deck construction - it's another thing entirely to use Chinese Industrialist Tycoons that could give two shits about Skateboarding or a deck's performance and shovel decks into containers faster then tainted toothpaste.