Twin tail

[Xen]

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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...

https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5

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I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).

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Toy Machine
https://toymachine.com/toy-machine-bury-the-hatchet-8-50-board-827059060799.html

Man, Primitive release the dims!

Edit 1: Width: 8.5" x Length: 32" x Wheelbase: 14.5" (from Primitive CS)
Edit 2: Width: 8.25" x Length: 31.85" x Wheelbase: 14"  (from Primitive CS)

The 8.25 Primitives are the only 14" WB I can ride for some reason so I might give it a try...it is shorter by a hair (the 8.25" is usually 31.875") so I'm gonna guess they pulled the nose in a bit and extended the tail a bit putting them around 6.9" kicks.

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I am riding these:

https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck

Made in Germany, also ship bulk:

https://quarterdist.com/

Just a small headsup but the wording on the production page makes it sound like the boards themselves are not actually constructed in house.

We source the blank decks from factories with decades of experience in production and development.

[Woodshop]

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I am riding these:

https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck

Made in Germany, also ship bulk:

https://quarterdist.com/

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Wait so Poetic is made there in Germany not by Control as listed in the Woodshop thread? @Woodshop https://quarterdist.com/brands-eng/

Updated.

I was trying to find out where / when things might have changed, but I think it could have been last year, 2023 with Quarter increasing their business and taking on some local accounts, as well as Blast Skates when Gnosis woodshop closed.

That's about all I have to go on, but either way, it is always good to have the list as current as possible, as most of the brands would never provide a lot of info.

Just a small headsup but the wording on the production page makes it sound like the boards themselves are not actually constructed in house.
We source the blank decks from factories with decades of experience in production and development.

Yeah they import bulk boards from China, which is not a bad thing, given they don't try to cover it up or hide the fact that they don't make the boards themselves.

Some of those Blast Skates boards are pretty cool shapes too, which is interesting to see, but people who have skated them say they are good boards, or good enough not to worry.

[Easy Slider]

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I am riding these:

https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck

Made in Germany, also ship bulk:

https://quarterdist.com/

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Wait so Poetic is made there in Germany not by Control as listed in the Woodshop thread? @Woodshop https://quarterdist.com/brands-eng/

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Updated.

I was trying to find out where / when things might have changed, but I think it could have been last year, 2023 with Quarter increasing their business and taking on some local accounts, as well as Blast Skates when Gnosis woodshop closed.

That's about all I have to go on, but either way, it is always good to have the list as current as possible, as most of the brands would never provide a lot of info.

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Just a small headsup but the wording on the production page makes it sound like the boards themselves are not actually constructed in house.
We source the blank decks from factories with decades of experience in production and development.

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Yeah they import bulk boards from China, which is not a bad thing, given they don't try to cover it up or hide the fact that they don't make the boards themselves.

Some of those Blast Skates boards are pretty cool shapes too, which is interesting to see, but people who have skated them say they are good boards, or good enough not to worry.

The quality of the blanks is second to none. I will report on the Blast once I have deflowered it.

[OhioGuy]

Not sure if they’ve been posted, but Santa Cruz has some twin tails for McCoy and Asta:

https://www.tactics.com/santa-cruz/mccoy-cosmic-84-twin-shape-skateboard-deck

https://www.tactics.com/santa-cruz/asta-cosmic-82-twin-shape-skateboard-deck

I have an 8.25 VX McCoy that’s a twin. But I’ve never seen that 8.4 one 🤔

[Xen]

Just one page back my dude...

[OhioGuy]

Just one page back my dude...

Ah okay 😅

My bad.

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

I'm sure they have a graphic designer and web guy in-house, shouldn't take them too long right? Right?

Thought I'd make a list of brands with twins and by size for reference, I'll start but feel free to chip in.

Off the top of my head at 1am.

Girl/Chocolate makes a twin 8.5 also

[DarkPools]

Anyone have experience with the Chocolate Roberts twin tip 8.5 shape? I usually skate BBS 8.5s on Indys (14.5 x 32.2 specs) soooo my questions lie here:

Is there that excessive fingers of flat Crail is known for?

Is the WB manageable with Indys or is it too long or short?

Is the concave mellower or more full bodied like most BBS 8.5s?

Are the kicks steeper in angle or mellower?

I have some Venture 5.8s and Thunder 151s I'm considering breaking my Indy streak with if either work well with the Crob twin tip. I'm 5' 10" and mostly legs so that's why I prefer 14.25 - 14.5 WB. Thanks!!

[Xen]

Anyone have experience with the Chocolate Roberts twin tip 8.5 shape? I usually skate BBS 8.5s on Indys (14.5 x 32.2 specs) soooo my questions lie here:

Is there that excessive fingers of flat Crail is known for?

Is the WB manageable with Indys or is it too long or short?

Is the concave mellower or more full bodied like most BBS 8.5s?

Are the kicks steeper in angle or mellower?

I have some Venture 5.8s and Thunder 151s I'm considering breaking my Indy streak with if either work well with the Crob twin tip. I'm 5' 10" and mostly legs so that's why I prefer 14.25 - 14.5 WB. Thanks!!

YMMV but I tried the 8.25 (they're essentially the same barring width of course) and tried every truck combo I could but that 14" WB -  I just can't do it - I've since moved on to 14.3x or 14.5 wb...the best feeling trucks were 5.8s with forged plates....but it was still too cramped.

Fingers of flat was not as crazy as their regular shapes and the concave felt about the same as other crail boards but perhaps slightly less kick angle more mellow but that might be due to kick length (last one I skated other than the akins was a go27, shorter tail)?

One thing I noticed, that made go check my other boards was how heavy the 8.25 twin was...checked my 8.5 Akins...each one was heavier than any like sized board I had...in fact, the 8.25 crail twin was significantly heavier than my 8.5x32" toy machine twin...and I mean there was a huge difference both in hand and riding them (using the same venture and wheel combo); I never noticed they were so chunky...hell even BBS feels heavy and dull compared to PS to me now.

Side note: g096/go69 are no longer listed under the shape guide....weird.

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

Anyone have experience with the Chocolate Roberts twin tip 8.5 shape? I usually skate BBS 8.5s on Indys (14.5 x 32.2 specs) soooo my questions lie here:

Is there that excessive fingers of flat Crail is known for?

Is the WB manageable with Indys or is it too long or short?

Is the concave mellower or more full bodied like most BBS 8.5s?

Are the kicks steeper in angle or mellower?

I have some Venture 5.8s and Thunder 151s I'm considering breaking my Indy streak with if either work well with the Crob twin tip. I'm 5' 10" and mostly legs so that's why I prefer 14.25 - 14.5 WB. Thanks!!

I've post about my love for that shape a number of times. Xen always has a good write up, but we differ on WB preferences.

The 14" wb really pulls the shape together for me. Felt strange on the first sesh, but by the second I had nice and consistent feel. I run it with Indy 149s and it always feels great under my feet.

I agree that it is overall on the mellower side, to me there's a beautiful amount of concave and tail pitch. Might get sorta weird on bigger wheels, but I've only skated 54mm on it so can't really say.

I love how blocky the tips are.

I had the same questions/reservations, but it's definitely worth trying imo. I'd grab the crail sale box, get a shape you know you like and ask for the twin tip as the second deck.

[DarkPools]

Gnarred both of you!

Appreciate the feedback! It's all good info, and I'm happy to hear positive reviews.  Exactly what's bringing me to try it because I remember reading and seeing that here and on IG/YT from people trying them.

I'm slightly worried about the 14" WB because I already tried the Couch 9.25 shaped deck on 159s, but it felt a lil cramped and not as stable with speed. Tre flips spun like a dream, but everything else felt off. Too many fingers of flat so nose and tail slides never locked in right. Manuals were inconsistent. Not enough length/heft for my inseam (about 32") is what I figured.

If the G096 can remedy most of those previous issues via fewer fingers of flat, not be as cramped, and work well with Thunder or Venture (assuming I like either after Indy for 13 years straight) then I'm hopeful. If anything, I can always learn to like it on Indys and fight my learned preferences

My wheel preference sits between 52 and 54 SF F4 Conical/Conical Full, so they'll likely work just fine

Sale box may be the way to try them, sweet! I don't remember what other shapes I like from Crail since the last time I enjoyed their decks was 2007-2009 on Thunders or Royals probably

[Xen]

You could always try the toy machine or Deathwish Foy twins.

[boneless900]

You could always try the toy machine or Deathwish Foy twins.

I think I'm gonna try the deathwish foy twin but I wanna redrill an old g096 +.25 on each side for a 14.5 wheelbase.

Real weird that the g096/69 have been unlisted from the shape guide. Maybe they're making adjustments to the mold or taking the shapes off for the season?

[DarkPools]

You could always try the toy machine or Deathwish Foy twins.

I looked at the Foy in a shop yesterday and it looked okay! Baker/Deathwish have this weirdly pointed nose on most of their shapes. I know people like it, but I never did since i prefer rounder, fuller noses usually. Which is why I ask about Chocolate, since they've always had that general shape, even on their recent twins.

Otherwise, specs on Real and DW twins for 8.5 do seem more than adequate for me to enjoy skating.

[Xen]

That’s the thing about about the Foy that I really liked it’s not that Baker pointy tip (I can't stand it or DLXs pointy-ness on some of their boards), but I fully expect  the Baker Twin to be pointy; its also the reason I never jelled with the B16.

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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...

https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5

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I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).

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Toy Machine
https://toymachine.com/toy-machine-bury-the-hatchet-8-50-board-827059060799.html

Man, Primitive release the dims!

Edit 1: Width: 8.5" x Length: 32" x Wheelbase: 14.5" (from Primitive CS)
Edit 2: Width: 8.25" x Length: 31.85" x Wheelbase: 14"  (from Primitive CS)

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The 8.25 Primitives are the only 14" WB I can ride for some reason so I might give it a try...it is shorter by a hair (the 8.25" is usually 31.875") so I'm gonna guess they pulled the nose in a bit and extended the tail a bit putting them around 6.9" kicks.

thanks for getting this info
8.25" one sounds so good on ventures.

[DarkPools]

Damn, Craig ships quick!  I requested two 8.5 twin tips thinking I'd get only one and a G033 but got both G096 in both colors (white/black & black/white) with that 2 x $80 box. 

I'm impressed with the shape and lack of fingers of flat (other Crail shapes have too much for me). I think I'm gonna enjoy skating these just from the look down factor. That said, kick steepness is not as much as the BBS I usually skate, but I think I'll manage.

I have Thunder 151 and Venture 5.8 (I've never skated Ventures, except trying a friend's board once), so I haven't decided which of these to try. My 149 Indys will make it too short of a WB for me. Decisions Decisions 

[moonordie]

Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.

[Xen]

Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.

Which one? =) I've got a gator on ice, ugly but I like the sparkle paint I like the new one.

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

Damn, Craig ships quick!  I requested two 8.5 twin tips thinking I'd get only one and a G033 but got both G096 in both colors (white/black & black/white) with that 2 x $80 box. 

I'm impressed with the shape and lack of fingers of flat (other Crail shapes have too much for me). I think I'm gonna enjoy skating these just from the look down factor. That said, kick steepness is not as much as the BBS I usually skate, but I think I'll manage.

I have Thunder 151 and Venture 5.8 (I've never skated Ventures, except trying a friend's board once), so I haven't decided which of these to try. My 149 Indys will make it too short of a WB for me. Decisions Decisions 

Fuck yeah! I try to swoop one of those box deals each time they drop.  Hope you find the sweet spot on your truck selection. I'd offer input .. but I've never skated Thunders or Ventures 

[moonordie]

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Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.

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Which one? =) I've got a gator on ice, ugly but I like the sparkle paint I like the new one.

This one, it was €51 with Jessup so I can pass the graphic that at least is symmetrical (hate twin boards with non symmetrical graphics)
Can't find the dims on the tails anywhere and is driving me crazy.

[Idk]

Primitive wb is 13.875.

[Xen]

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Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.

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Which one? =) I've got a gator on ice, ugly but I like the sparkle paint I like the new one.

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This one, it was €51 with Jessup so I can pass the graphic that at least is symmetrical (hate twin boards with non symmetrical graphics)
Can't find the dims on the tails anywhere and is driving me crazy.

Huh, never seen that one before!

[moonordie]

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Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.

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Which one? =) I've got a gator on ice, ugly but I like the sparkle paint I like the new one.

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This one, it was €51 with Jessup so I can pass the graphic that at least is symmetrical (hate twin boards with non symmetrical graphics)
Can't find the dims on the tails anywhere and is driving me crazy.

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Huh, never seen that one before!

Deathwish "Hidden inside"

[Nth syd bear]

Primitive wb is 13.875.

8.25 x 31.85L i think he said the Nose's?? Were 6.9

Looks alright

[Xen]

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Primitive wb is 13.875.

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8.25 x 31.85L i think he said the Nose's?? Were 6.9

Looks alright

Primitive CS (via email) said 14.5" for the 8.5 and 14" for the 8.25" guess we won't know until someone has one on hand?

[Firebert]

MADE IN USA sticker on top

[DarkPools]

Would be nice if the twin shapes from all these brands weren't "13.875 -14" and closer to "14.25 - 14.5." Or if they offered them in both WB (13.8. & 14.25) to have a wider net of customers

Seems like the smaller WB serves Thunder and Venture riders, while everyone else that rides Indy, Ace, Royal, etc. are kinda screwed on twins unless they're not a tall person to begin with. Seems like the Real and Deathwish ones are the better options for taller folks wanting a twin not on DLX trucks

[pointandclick]

Would be nice if the twin shapes from all these brands weren't "13.875 -14" and closer to "14.25 - 14.5." Or if they offered them in both WB (13.8. & 14.25) to have a wider net of customers

Seems like the smaller WB serves Thunder and Venture riders, while everyone else that rides Indy, Ace, Royal, etc. are kinda screwed on twins unless they're not a tall person to begin with. Seems like the Real and Deathwish ones are the better options for taller folks wanting a twin not on DLX trucks

i feel like 13.8 is waaaaay too small unless you rider ventures. id be pleased if most ran either a 14 or 14.25 or 14.1 and 14.38 (very dlx oriented wb)