Twin tail

[Xen]

Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?

It wasn’t symmetrical.

[Ok]

Expand Quote

Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?

[close]

It wasn’t symmetrical.

yeah barnyard wasn’t symmetrical.

it must have been the double vision, but i remember seeing a vision twin that was….kind of insane looking: lots of concave, massive kicks. over 30 years ago, so my memory is a little whatever. i saw the person skating it from a distance, and the kit looked pretty wild.
some of the concave back then was intense.

[Xen]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?

[close]

It wasn’t symmetrical.

[close]

yeah barnyard wasn’t symmetrical.

it must have been the double vision, but i remember seeing a vision twin that was….kind of insane looking: lots of concave, massive kicks. over 30 years ago, so my memory is a little whatever. i saw the person skating it from a distance, and the kit looked pretty wild.
some of the concave back then was intense.

Double Vision was symmetrical either, just had a massive kick for the nose; it was wider in the front (nose and truck width) with a rear taper - the nose was shorter than the tail (we were still in the short nose era, even if this was massive for back then).

A friend of mine got one, the novelty was being able to skate it either way 'as normal' or ollies into nose stalls (nollies and switch weren't a thing yet).

[commander jameson]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?

[close]

It wasn’t symmetrical.

[close]

yeah barnyard wasn’t symmetrical.

it must have been the double vision, but i remember seeing a vision twin that was….kind of insane looking: lots of concave, massive kicks. over 30 years ago, so my memory is a little whatever. i saw the person skating it from a distance, and the kit looked pretty wild.
some of the concave back then was intense.

[close]

Double Vision was symmetrical either, just had a massive kick for the nose; it was wider in the front (nose and truck width) with a rear taper - the nose was shorter than the tail (we were still in the short nose era, even if this was massive for back then).

A friend of mine got one, the novelty was being able to skate it either way 'as normal' or ollies into nose stalls (nollies and switch weren't a thing yet).

Tony Hawk had that Pictogram board on Powell in early 90's. It might have been symmetrical, never saw it in person.
Vision had couple of versions of double vision decks, some even in late 80's with symmetrical looking graphics, not sure if they were actual symmetrical shapes.

[Xen]

The pictogram was probably the first true twin, double drilled each end as well! That thing was massive.

[Ok]

The pictogram was probably the first true twin, double drilled each end as well! That thing was massive.

damn! your memory is top notch.
i recall seeing that vision shape in action, dude was trying an impossible, and as little ass kids we tended to try them with the front foot going off of the tip of the nose, so full snowbroder stance. ‘funny’ the little images that are stuck in my brain.
just previous to this i would try and do ollie’s on my neighbors chris miller, but using the nose as the tail. somehow the tiny nose sort of helped me, as a tail. i was really small for my age.
blah blab blab.

i’m way out of bounds because i haven’t tried a twin in the modern era. i think the longer noses, shorter tails just feels ‘safer’ for me. when i try and use the tail, as the tail, for a switch ollie, i feel like my switch pop
is exposed for fraudulent.

[Cliche10k]

So far so good I've been loving the twin tail, beware, you have to switch out your pivot cups and bushings, cause it's all different (or just buy new trucks).

What’s the reason for switching trucks?

[Xen]

Expand Quote

So far so good I've been loving the twin tail, beware, you have to switch out your pivot cups and bushings, cause it's all different (or just buy new trucks).

[close]

What’s the reason for switching trucks?

Your trucks will turn differently based on a nose/tail board due to how you skate it/weight distribution, etc.

Fresh cups and bushings at the start and you start at square one. All things equal.

[Xen]

Expand Quote

The pictogram was probably the first true twin, double drilled each end as well! That thing was massive.

[close]

damn! your memory is top notch.
i recall seeing that vision shape in action, dude was trying an impossible, and as little ass kids we tended to try them with the front foot going off of the tip of the nose, so full snowbroder stance. ‘funny’ the little images that are stuck in my brain.
just previous to this i would try and do ollie’s on my neighbors chris miller, but using the nose as the tail. somehow the tiny nose sort of helped me, as a tail. i was really small for my age.
blah blab blab.

i’m way out of bounds because i haven’t tried a twin in the modern era. i think the longer noses, shorter tails just feels ‘safer’ for me. when i try and use the tail, as the tail, for a switch ollie, i feel like my switch pop
is exposed for fraudulent.

We rode them a lot back then- I learned impossibles on them for a day trying to 3 shuv …no risers and small ass wheel - well ahead of that being the norm; I fucking hated risers, copers, nose guards/skid plates…ugh.

[marcusbutler]

Whats the wheelbase on the prod twin nose?

[Xen]

Whats the wheelbase on the prod twin nose?

Go back a couple if pages?

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=105756.1600

[Firebert]

Primitive twins:

13.85 on the 8.25
14.12 on the 8.5

I’m praying that means an 8.38 with 14 flat is incoming, I’d put my 149s on that for sure. 

[marcusbutler]

Under 14WB? holy shit. I got to give that one a try.

[Xen]

8.5 Crail Twin on sale $49.98: It's Malto's....and an ugly hello Kitty colorway...talk about a double whammy

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Girl_Malto_Hello_Kitty__Friends_TWIN_Deck/descpage-GIMHFDK.html

[moonordie]

8.5 Crail Twin on sale $49.98: It's Malto's....and an ugly hello Kitty colorway...talk about a double whammy

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Girl_Malto_Hello_Kitty__Friends_TWIN_Deck/descpage-GIMHFDK.html

What the fuck is thar, I'm speechless 😶

[Xen]

Tactics has added a Twin search and sort option!

https://www.tactics.com/skateboard-decks/ra-20744/sort-5

[Haido]

I'd rather have twin nose. I had a deathwish with a small nose and I just couldn't flick it right.

never seen a shitty deathwish b.

[Xen]

If I had to guess, incoming short/short wb twin again; interesting to see what he comes up with blending all three of those...the Fab board is pretty much the standard 8.25 shape SC board (but stubby cuz she's short; 31.9/14" WB), super close to the regular mcoy twins (the new asta and mcoys are much narrower/pointer in the kicks+long).

Side note: In of of the previous vids he actually, for real, takes his hat off. He does have hair

[Xen]

Expand Quote

Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...

https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5

[close]

I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).

Why I have trust issues:

(HLC btw)




The 8.5x31.75 dimensions are correct. However, the WB is fucking 14" if NOT slightly LESS than 14"...WT A F...Still gonna skate it and see how it feels.

It's wide at the kicks like the 8.5 toy machine, it has lots of fingers of flat, almost THREE...was gonna ride indys now I'm not sure what to set up on it...Thunders? Gotta work that WB out a bit...

[Frank and Fred]

Xpost from setup thread, both twin tailers:

[Xen]

Xpost from setup thread, both twin tailers:

That's really a twin?

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-pro-jm-duran-slidewinder-4-flightr-skateboard-deck-shape-266-k24-8-88-x-34-7

[Frank and Fred]

Yes. 6.75" paddles.

[Xen]

Madness as usual but something is clicking.

So first session...it's kinda weird but in a good way. Ages ago I rode an 8.6 AWS, it had the best nose ever visually / skated great; this has that for both kicks which @6.79” length don't feel it because of their width (the asta's kicks by comparison feel long @ just 6.8", but narrow) - these kicks feel 'stumpy' in way? Not BIG SHOVEL like FA. That AWS 8.6 is the only thing that matches up.

Perhaps it's the fingers of flat voodoo (? I still don't fully know how to maximize it use the correct truck) but the 14" WB isn't noticeable to me and I'm very susceptible to short boards/WBs; so coming off the Asta (8.2x32x14.2WB) I would think this board being shorter 31.75" w/14" WB was going to screw with me (recently skate some 8.3s with 14.18WB that were 31.88ish and they were horrible...Hockey/Primitive; also the crail 8.25 with a 14" wb didn't sit right either).

Maybe it's the cast thunders plus the fingers of flat? I do have ghost pop coming off venture forged with the asta (previously thunder forged) but that will go away, it was the first session.

Finally, I would also like to call out that this board's wheel wells FUCKING WORK, I'm actually creating divots in the well...rode a jacuzzzi with wells and same thunders/wheels and that shit did not line up.

[Xen]

Yes. 6.75" paddles.

Lol shit I had my contacts in read those nose/tail dims TOTALLY different. Sweet Jeebus it;s a fucking snow/long board 34.7 FFS =D

[Frank and Fred]

Yes it is. 17” wheelbase. Ollie’s at 20 mph, no worries

[rocklobster]

Ordered the SC 8.4 Maurio McCoy twin, thought I'd enjoy the Opera 8.5 Twin Slick but the 14" wb is messing with me. Every time I crouch down I feel like my wheels are too close together. Couple that with steep kicks and new 54mm wheels is making a less than ideal setup. Have half a mind to try sizing down to 52mm V5s to get through this madness.

Really thought I'd enjoy the 14" WB with Ventures more, I rode an 8 x 32 x 14 4 years ago which felt like my goldilocks setup, but I paired it with Venture 5.2 Lo V-Hollows and 51mm wheels.

[Xen]

Maaaan, that sucks about the Opera! Hopefully the McCoy works for you! It's the same shape as the Asta just bigger; I was digging it at first then not so much (I made the mistake of riding a different setup, for a few days, then went back to the Asta...shouldn't have done that

[rocklobster]

Maaaan, that sucks about the Opera! Hopefully the McCoy works for you! It's the same shape as the Asta just bigger; I was digging it at first then not so much (I made the mistake of riding a different setup, for a few days, then went back to the Asta...shouldn't have done that

The steepness and short wheelbase of the Opera couple with the bigger, flatter wheels is doing a number on my already limited flatground. It feels like I have to pop way harder and give up more stability to get anything going.

Makes me miss Venture Los, I'd gladly pay full retail for the 5.6 / 5.8 / 6.1 if the even did them in the Lo variant.

[Idk]

[rocklobster]

not crazy about the graphics but the 8.5 dimensions look good.

Are there any 8.75 popsicle twins? Largest popsicle that is readily available is 8.5, above that and you're in egg territory