Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing

[Turtle Boy]

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AOC has on video said “the world is going to end in 12 years if we don’t stop climate change” and that’s insane.

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No one believes the world is going to end in 12 years, not even AOC. I'm not going to defend a politician but that quote is taken out of context.

However, it seems you're bowing out of this debate...

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If nothing major and radical is done to change our energy consumption, and environmental damage during the next 15 years, the human civilization as we know it will end fast. Forget democracy, forget freedom, forget rights, forget peace in western countries. You can argue about how much time we have to make big changes, but there is enough data and research (it's not a subjective opinion it's a fact) about climate change and its impact to be really fucking worried.

[Turtle Boy]

I think that Greta chick is a puppet and AOC’s bullshit about  . Ask yourself this outside of politics when do you hear anything about it? If things were as bad as we’re lead  to believe why isn’t noaa nasa and every scientist on earth screaming about it?

You must be living under a rock in Arizona or something, because literally everybody in the scientist community around the world is talking about it.

[moonordie]

Returning to this topic sure Reynolds is the worst regarding it

[jay_nev]

Returning to this topic sure Reynolds is the worst regarding it

whys that?

[Francis Xavier]

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Returning to this topic sure Reynolds is the worst regarding it

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whys that?

He sets up a freshie every session/couple of days

[moonordie]

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Returning to this topic sure Reynolds is the worst regarding it

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whys that?

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He sets up a freshie every session/couple of days

Nothing worse than new trucks.

[rocklobster]

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Returning to this topic sure Reynolds is the worst regarding it

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whys that?

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He sets up a freshie every session/couple of days

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Nothing worse than new trucks.

IIRC he mentioned in his Nine Club intervew he would give his used setups to homies or kids around the spot. Not the not sustainable but at least the stuff gets reused by others before it gets tossed. Raging and focusing your a board that is still good, that's not cool.

[j....soy.....]

Why do you even bring up it being right wing? 

[Sloppy Krooks]

I think because if you say you prefer stuff made domestically some people might confuse that as being an economic nationalist a la Trump.

I can definitely see why one would prefer US made stuff when it comes to workers rights and sweatshop labor (although with the decline of unions this is getting to be more of a grey area).

As for the environmental side of things, is casting a truck or pouring a wheel and more or less harmful depending on if it’s China or the states?

The US’s environmental laws are getting laxer while China’s are getting better.

I can definitely see Canadian wood being shipped to China and then back to the States as wasteful, but then again, we need to move away from this bullshit wasteful disposable deck thing anyways and start using equipment that lasts longer.

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

As for the environmental side of things, is casting a truck or pouring a wheel and more or less harmful depending on if it’s China or the states?

The US’s environmental laws are getting laxer while China’s are getting better.

It could be turning but I believe the US still has stricter laws on EP. Then you have to factor in shipping it back to the US once its manufactured and then shipping it out again once more for distribution.

[Bongwater Mojito]

Earlier in this thread someone wondered about the number of skateboarders. It's reported to be 11 million globally, I'd assume most of them are living in developed countries, mostly US. Net worth of the industry is $4.8B.

These figures show that consumer choices are on scale of small country (or large city). Not insignificant at all.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skateboarding

[EAT PUSSY!]

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I think that Greta chick is a puppet and AOC’s bullshit about  . Ask yourself this outside of politics when do you hear anything about it? If things were as bad as we’re lead  to believe why isn’t noaa nasa and every scientist on earth screaming about it?

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You must be living under a rock in Arizona or something, because literally everybody in the scientist community around the world is talking about it.

here's a climate change warning signed by 11,000 scientist from around the world.

https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806

[concerned_parent]

https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/



no plastic wrap on the boards. wonder how that'll be received by the world / if other companies would get on board with this. would be sick if when you order direct from the supplier you could have the option for shrinkwrap (collectors) or to forego it (boards you plan on skating).

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

About time. The plastic is absolutely useless. I believe serious collectors even take it off. Larry is quite conscious of such things if you read between the lines of his sarcasm.

[moonordie]

I'm totally down regarding not using plastic.

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

The whole climate thing is political.

"Politicians, economists and even some natural scientists have tended to assume that tipping points1 in the Earth system — such as the loss of the Amazon rainforest or the West Antarctic ice sheet — are of low probability and little understood. Yet evidence is mounting that these events could be more likely than was thought, have high impacts and are interconnected across different biophysical systems, potentially committing the world to long-term irreversible changes."

read on, https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03595-0

We can't let the idiocy of the views held by the likes of Oldguy78 slide.

[Oldguy78]

Yeah don’t let it slide come get me lmao. Wtf are you gonna do anyway? How about all you cry babies stop buying new phones stop driving cars and go live in the forest? Oh I forgot you’d rather virtue signal then actually do anything. Stop buying anything that isn’t an absolute  necessity that is unless you’re unwilling to put your money where your mouth is? Is a single fucking one of you willing to do anything of substance since you’re so convinced the world is going to end in 12-15 years? I didn’t think so. You do know Al Gore said this same shit back in the 90’s right? Said we had 10 years before  irreversible climate damage was done. This is all that same bullshit that’s been screamed about for decades. I’m going to keep running my a/c driving to the corner store and doing all the same things I’ve always done. When the world is about to end in 10 years I’ll be sure to check back in here and tell you all you were right. Until then you can all keep screaming into your echo chamber. It’s entertaining.

[Sloppy Krooks]

Aah yes, the butthurt ‘you are all hypocrites for living in a capitalist society!’ rant.

I’ve tried a lot of what you suggested, short of living in the woods.

But individual boycotts and lifestyle changes will never make enough of a difference to get us off this path. The change needs to be systematic or nothing at all.

As for the crybaby hypocrite call-out, you’ve obviously never tried to live up to an ideal in your life.

It is impossible to live ethically under capitalism. You can do what you can to live less destructively, but you can’t rsca the fact that something or someone will get fucked over for something you consume.
So bitching about people not giving up their entire existence and instead advocating for a more ethical system (while living in an unethical one) is not hypocrisy, it’s realistic.

But go ahead and blame everything on Al Gore (and I will admit that dude IS a hypocrite) instead of reading the science.

[Oldguy78]

It’s not impossible. It’s just too uncomfortable for all you spoiled self important entitled snowflakes. You want shit to change then put in the work and quit expecting someone else to do it for you. Do you need a skateboard? Do you need all the clothes you buy or do you just want it? Don’t preach to me unless you’re living the perfect ecolife. I’m at least honest with myself. This horrible capitalist country you’re so down on let’s you bitch freely about it. Hell, go to some other western countries like the UK or Canada and you could be arrested for accidentally misgendering that chick with a beard you just called sir. All the sociopolitical shit is intertwined, all of it. If you’ve never left your state let alone been to another country in your life and seen how any of the rest of the world is I don’t want to hear it. All the info you’re being spoon fed is meant to illicit emotional responses that’s why there’s a 16 year old trying to lecture adults on anything and she’s not being told to shut up and go to school. Oh and did you see the latest about how Greta is saying climate change is caused by the racist  patriarchy? Yeah ALL the leftist taking points. Also think about this. How would you ever expect to win anyone to your side or way of thinking if every time you encounter a differing opinion you don’t do anything but immediately attack that person? You think there’s this vast difference between any of you and me because I’m older? Like I can’t remember how it was it be 15-25? Come on. You’ll all be where I am one day hopefully and through the wisdom gained by time and experience you’ll see. I’ll also admit I was wrong as well. I shouldn’t have lowered myself to the level of arguing serious topics with a bunch of children and a skateboard forum of all fucking places. See, even adults can react emotionally occasionally. Now I will bow out of this thread but if all you have to say about me is a personal insult well then you’ve already lost the argument. ✌️

[concerned_parent]

[Yesterdays-pop]

Pretty sure the temperature is either going up or down, I’ve never seen it stay the same temp for more than a couple hours.

[Sloppy Krooks]

It’s not impossible. It’s just too uncomfortable for all you spoiled self important entitled snowflakes. You want shit to change then put in the work and quit expecting someone else to do it for you. Do you need a skateboard? Do you need all the clothes you buy or do you just want it? Don’t preach to me unless you’re living the perfect ecolife. I’m at least honest with myself. This horrible capitalist country you’re so down on let’s you bitch freely about it. Hell, go to some other western countries like the UK or Canada and you could be arrested for accidentally misgendering that chick with a beard you just called sir. All the sociopolitical shit is intertwined, all of it. If you’ve never left your state let alone been to another country in your life and seen how any of the rest of the world is I don’t want to hear it. All the info you’re being spoon fed is meant to illicit emotional responses that’s why there’s a 16 year old trying to lecture adults on anything and she’s not being told to shut up and go to school. Oh and did you see the latest about how Greta is saying climate change is caused by the racist  patriarchy? Yeah ALL the leftist taking points. Also think about this. How would you ever expect to win anyone to your side or way of thinking if every time you encounter a differing opinion you don’t do anything but immediately attack that person? You think there’s this vast difference between any of you and me because I’m older? Like I can’t remember how it was it be 15-25? Come on. You’ll all be where I am one day hopefully and through the wisdom gained by time and experience you’ll see. I’ll also admit I was wrong as well. I shouldn’t have lowered myself to the level of arguing serious topics with a bunch of children and a skateboard forum of all fucking places. See, even adults can react emotionally occasionally. Now I will bow out of this thread but if all you have to say about me is a personal insult well then you’ve already lost the argument. ✌️

I’m older than you, and live overseas.

I’m from Canada as well, and if you think you can go to jail for misgendering someone, you probably think global warming is a myth.. oh wait.

Step away from the Jordan Peterson YouTube channel, son.

[HyenaChaser]

Yeah don’t let it slide come get me lmao. Wtf are you gonna do anyway? How about all you cry babies stop buying new phones stop driving cars and go live in the forest? Oh I forgot you’d rather virtue signal then actually do anything. Stop buying anything that isn’t an absolute  necessity that is unless you’re unwilling to put your money where your mouth is? Is a single fucking one of you willing to do anything of substance since you’re so convinced the world is going to end in 12-15 years?

I don’t buy new phones, I’ve never owned a car and take public transit every day, I recycle and compost, I avoid buying things in packaging that I can’t reuse, I don’t buy new clothes until it’s necessary, and the clothes I do but I repair until I can’t any longer, I don’t eat animals, and I reduce water consumption in every way I can.

Living in the forest is actually less environmentally friendly as remote lifestyles require cars to fulfill basic societal requirements (i.e. taxes). A hunter-gatherer way of living is unrealistic, particularly with the number of laws surrounding hunting and harvesting in the US.

And for everything I do, there some self-righteous sad sack who insists his way of life does nothing to the world, comes on forums to spout off how sensitive and ignorant everyone is then runs away because he doesn’t want to hear any dissenting opinions that might ruffle his feathers or make him think that maybe he is damaging the world around him.

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

Hell, go to some other western countries like the UK or Canada and you could be arrested for accidentally misgendering that chick with a beard you just called sir.

How full of shit can you be? Where do you get your information?

You are clearly under some kind of Fox news hypnosis.

You argue like a child not a grown man. You throw some uncredited nonsense out there but will not stick around to back it up? You are the one who has the growing up to do. So sad to see someone in their 40s so ill informed and narrow minded.

You are playing a role assigned to you, man, as evolved as you think you are. You are playing their game for them.

[Oldguy78]

One easily searched result. And all her sources are in the description. So yes in  her majesty‘s kingdom you can and will be arrested for misgendering as well as other “hate speech” which isn’t even a real thing. Speech that incites or calls to action is classified differently. But again I’m arguing logic against “muh feeeeeels” so I doubt it’ll get anywhere.

[HyenaChaser]

One easily searched result. And all her sources are in the description. So yes in  her majesty‘s kingdom you can and will be arrested for misgendering as well as other “hate speech” which isn’t even a real thing. Speech that incites or calls to action is classified differently. But again I’m arguing logic against “muh feeeeeels” so I doubt it’ll get anywhere.

Yo we talking about the environment, the fuck outta here with some half-baked argument about whether or not hate speech is real.

You got some real solutions or you just coming here because you got kicked outta the info wars chat room?

You want come here to piss in the wind, fine. But keep it on topic.

[Trash_Eater]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/dTxapn-Wgxs

Wow- what a spicy topic! I personally love how much skateboarding harbors iconoclastic view points. skateboarding is a counter culture and part of that role is to be skeptical of the mainstream. the current political mainstream is unapologetically left leaning; so i don't begrudge your skepticism Oldguy78

BUT- questioning skateboarding's environmental impact is totally valid
whether you "believe" in climate change or not, its obvious that a nearly 5bn dollar industry (citing a previous post)  has environmental impacts- pollution - waste - these are realities of any industrial process, and a skateboarder can examine them, and even criticize them, without being a hypocrite.

The problem is that climate change/global warming has been made out to be an ideological issue when it's not.

The entire reason why there is a "climate debate" is because big businesses have propped up an elaborate propaganda campaign to create doubt! their motive for this is to avoid regulation of their industries and protect the money they make. ()

There's a really good documentary called "Merchants of Doubt" which exposes how big businesses created the "climate deniers" movement by paying people to pose as credible professionals and propagate misinformation!


watch it here:

the craziest thing is that even with all the scientific evidence, which debunks climate deniers misinformation (I have a really good website for this too that I will add once I remember the domain name), the doubt is still enough to create skepticism culturally- but mostly along ideological lines.
why is that?

well, a recent study found that people are more likely to discriminate against others based on ideology more than any other socio/economic factor. (race, creed, gender, sexual orientation, class, etc)

  this goes for both liberals and conservatives!
Basically people choose what information is credible or not credible based on the views of their "affinity" group (i.e. friendlys on the ideological spectrum). the full article is here: http://journal.sjdm.org/13/13313/jdm13313.pdf
but theres a less technical/more readable one I can share with you once i find it.

and dude, whether this UK women got arrested for "misgendering" someone on twitter is real or not.. I haven't looked into enough to be satisfied of a truthful answer yet... the source used in the youtube video you posted (uk daily mail) is a tabloid and is not very credible. to me it sounds sensationalistic enough to be skeptical... not that i don't believe that it couldn't happen based on the current state of free speech in our society. but yea-  seems to be beside the point about skateboardings environmental impact anyway.

[Oldguy78]

And that is exactly how you engage with someone of a differing opinion! I’ll check out the vids you posted later and thank you for being both thoughtful and respectful. The rest of these guys could learn a lot from that post about disagreements and debate.

[Roisto]

And that is exactly how you engage with someone of a differing opinion! I’ll check out the vids you posted later and thank you for being both thoughtful and respectful. The rest of these guys could learn a lot from that post about disagreements and debate.

Says the most thoughtful and respectful poster we’ve got around here.

[Oldguy78]

I gave what I got and I also said I was wrong for sinking to that level. But nice try.