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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #150 on: December 05, 2019, 02:24:17 AM »
I gave what I got and I also said I was wrong for sinking to that level. But nice try.

We went from discussing the merits of bamboo vs maple and then you made it a political tirade about AOC is bullshit, environmentalism is left wing propaganda, stating a whole lot of opinion as fact, before saying that someone was being over sensitive.

It looks like you came in here wanting to start shit and now it’s happening but not in the way you pictured. You made the conversation political and started calling everybody names.

You don’t have anything to contribute and as much as you’re claiming this to be an echo chamber, you sure are resistant to hearing anyone else. Say something of substance about environmentalism or find a different thread.
You know I thought these forums were a for skating not discussing fetishes

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #151 on: December 05, 2019, 02:46:29 AM »
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I gave what I got and I also said I was wrong for sinking to that level. But nice try.
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We went from discussing the merits of bamboo vs maple and then you made it a political tirade about AOC is bullshit, environmentalism is left wing propaganda, stating a whole lot of opinion as fact, before saying that someone was being over sensitive.

It looks like you came in here wanting to start shit and now it’s happening but not in the way you pictured. You made the conversation political and started calling everybody names.

You don’t have anything to contribute and as much as you’re claiming this to be an echo chamber, you sure are resistant to hearing anyone else. Say something of substance about environmentalism or find a different thread.
Or focus your account. Well said.
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #152 on: December 05, 2019, 04:25:10 AM »
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I gave what I got and I also said I was wrong for sinking to that level. But nice try.
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We went from discussing the merits of bamboo vs maple and then you made it a political tirade about AOC is bullshit, environmentalism is left wing propaganda, stating a whole lot of opinion as fact, before saying that someone was being over sensitive.

It looks like you came in here wanting to start shit and now it’s happening but not in the way you pictured. You made the conversation political and started calling everybody names.

You don’t have anything to contribute and as much as you’re claiming this to be an echo chamber, you sure are resistant to hearing anyone else. Say something of substance about environmentalism or find a different thread.

Find a different thread? I started a thread about etnies shoes and the tongue sliding on them and a guy from this thread came in there talking shit about this thread. This entire message board seems like one bod pile of shit to me. That’s why I’m thankful for forums like ar15.com that are populated by actual adults. God I can’t wait for the boogaloo

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #153 on: December 05, 2019, 04:39:49 AM »
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I gave what I got and I also said I was wrong for sinking to that level. But nice try.
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We went from discussing the merits of bamboo vs maple and then you made it a political tirade about AOC is bullshit, environmentalism is left wing propaganda, stating a whole lot of opinion as fact, before saying that someone was being over sensitive.

It looks like you came in here wanting to start shit and now it’s happening but not in the way you pictured. You made the conversation political and started calling everybody names.

You don’t have anything to contribute and as much as you’re claiming this to be an echo chamber, you sure are resistant to hearing anyone else. Say something of substance about environmentalism or find a different thread.
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Find a different thread? I started a thread about etnies shoes and the tongue sliding on them and a guy from this thread came in there talking shit about this thread. This entire message board seems like one bod pile of shit to me. That’s why I’m thankful for forums like ar15.com that are populated by actual adults. God I can’t wait for the boogaloo

LOL QQ. You're not about that life.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #154 on: December 05, 2019, 07:20:32 AM »
19D 1st Cav Div 3-8 Cav 2001-2006 but no I’m not about that life at all. Did my OSUT at Ft Knox enlisted after 9/11 but you’re not about that life are you bud.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #155 on: December 05, 2019, 07:39:27 AM »
19D 1st Cav Div 3-8 Cav 2001-2006 but no I’m not about that life at all. Did my OSUT at Ft Knox enlisted after 9/11 but you’re not about that life are you bud.

Yea sounds like maybe go back to the gun forum for people that are “about that life.”

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #156 on: December 05, 2019, 07:51:34 AM »
19D 1st Cav Div 3-8 Cav 2001-2006 but no I’m not about that life at all. Did my OSUT at Ft Knox enlisted after 9/11 but you’re not about that life are you bud.
No, you’re really not. sit down POG.
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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #157 on: December 05, 2019, 07:57:06 AM »
Also a very rudimentary google search with give you the actual British law on Gender discrimination:

"The Sex Discrimination (Gender Reassignment) Regulations 1999 extended the existing Sex Discrimination Act, and made it illegal to discriminate against any person on the grounds of gender reassignment, but only in the areas of employment and vocational training."

Which seems sound but far short of the blanket statement you  made Oldguy.

That video you posted seemed largely sensationalism about people getting in trouble for perpetually harassing others online. Its not like you walk around the UK having to watch your Ps and Qs bc of a fear of the PC over reach. That's just not reality. You talk about you being the logical one but it seems like you're the one whose politics are locked into a very rigid frame work.

Either way you are have now also exposed yourself as a bigot, who struggles with transgender issues.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #158 on: December 05, 2019, 08:59:19 AM »
Also a very rudimentary google search with give you the actual British law on Gender discrimination:

"The Sex Discrimination (Gender Reassignment) Regulations 1999 extended the existing Sex Discrimination Act, and made it illegal to discriminate against any person on the grounds of gender reassignment, but only in the areas of employment and vocational training."

Which seems sound but far short of the blanket statement you  made Oldguy.

That video you posted seemed largely sensationalism about people getting in trouble for perpetually harassing others online. Its not like you walk around the UK having to watch your Ps and Qs bc of a fear of the PC over reach. That's just not reality. You talk about you being the logical one but it seems like you're the one whose politics are locked into a very rigid frame work.

Either way you are have now also exposed yourself as a bigot, who struggles with transgender issues.
Damn,  who knew perpetual wound vaginas had such a environmental impact in the world of skateboard manufacturing.
Olympic athletes have diets and train really hard.
Skateboarders eat candy, talk shit, and drink arizona iced teas.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #159 on: December 05, 2019, 09:18:49 AM »
19D 1st Cav Div 3-8 Cav 2001-2006 but no I’m not about that life at all. Did my OSUT at Ft Knox enlisted after 9/11 but you’re not about that life are you bud.

No one gives a shit. Focus.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #160 on: December 05, 2019, 09:24:06 AM »
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19D 1st Cav Div 3-8 Cav 2001-2006 but no I’m not about that life at all. Did my OSUT at Ft Knox enlisted after 9/11 but you’re not about that life are you bud.
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No one gives a shit. Focus.
As a non American I didn't understood shit from that gibberish talk.
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #161 on: December 05, 2019, 10:06:10 AM »
Can we go back discussing the environmental impact of manufacturing skateboard paraphernalia now?

One not mentioned viewpoint is material usage effectiveness rate. Recent study from Sweden (if I remember correctly) stated that pair of jeans equals 25 kilos of waste - mostly unusable liquids from dying, and a modern cell phone is around 85 kilos, mostly byproducts of mining and refining rare earth materials. I wonder what the waste mass might be for a complete?

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #162 on: December 05, 2019, 10:39:28 AM »
On the Environmental Impact of skateboarding:

My personal opinion is that the material for boards is pretty inconsequential- wood is a renewable resource after all. the subtlety lays in how such a resource is managed or mis-managed.

Supposedly Dwindle makes sure to only use sustainably harvested wood, but I have my doubts.

It would be cool to see a company take on their environmental impact more directly. maybe planting 2 trees for every one tree harvested for their wood? or off setting their carbon in some way. Create zero plastic waste (e.g. PRANA clothing)

really anything modeled on the way Patagonia approaches manufacturing would be cool to see.
Habitat/AWS would be an ideal company to do something like that just based on the name alone and previous environmental gimmicks they've used to sell stuff in the past.

Contests definitely need to take on environmental impact- especially now that skateboarding will be in the olympics- but imagine if SLS or DewTour or whatever became carbon neutral events? that would be quite a statement. not impossible either, look to Radiohead who've already done massive concerts that were entirely carbon neutral. (ok probably not entirely if you consider every minutiae but you get the point). Again, zero plastic waste would be cool.

theres a lot of ways skateboarding as a culture can at least make a statement of intention to take a step away from destroying the earth.

I always thought of "Skate and Destroy" as "Skate and Destroy the culture/civilization that is destroying us"

but if we get down to the nitty gritty, the essence underlaying the whole thing we have to look at materialism- the industry is a blatant driver of consumption, and not just in a utilitarian sense. how many people who buy into skateboarding actually skate? it's a marketed identity that manipulates people into buying shit to fill the hole industrial civilization has left in our souls.

beware of apathy. if you are apathetic it probably means you lack connection. and you'll buy something to make you feel better- which it never really does.

I like this quote from Morris Berman

"much was lost in the transition to modernity: craftmanship, a deep appreciation of beauty, community, silence and, above all, a sense of spiritual purpose."

it points out the fact that having a sense spiritual purpose in somehow integral to the human psyche. we need to recover this sense not just individually but as a culture(western civ. not just sk8 culture)

Has anybody read: Charles Eisenstein's "the More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible" ?
really great examination of the underlying factors for our cultural/environmental crisis

it's kind of like Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael" but less preachy

also "Natural Capitalism" is a really good book with awesome ideas on how to tweak capitalism in a way that isn't environmentally/socially destructive

Cheers all!

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #163 on: December 05, 2019, 10:44:05 AM »
satori were on some shit, wasnt aware they even still existed




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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #164 on: December 05, 2019, 11:18:46 AM »
Earlier this year I put a plastic rail on a board for the first time in my life. I really enjoy sliding with them and all, but thinking about it I'm not that into leaving small plastic slivers in my wake. Is there any reason to not make wooden rails other than perhaps weight?

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #165 on: December 05, 2019, 12:47:27 PM »
Earlier this year I put a plastic rail on a board for the first time in my life. I really enjoy sliding with them and all, but thinking about it I'm not that into leaving small plastic slivers in my wake. Is there any reason to not make wooden rails other than perhaps weight?

They don’t slide better than wood. Could make rails out of some biodegradable plastic. Dunno how the slide properties of those are though. Definitely something I’d be interested in though.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #166 on: December 05, 2019, 02:14:41 PM »
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satori were on some shit, wasnt aware they even still existed


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this was dope. also the satori wheels were good.
also these momentum eco soy wheels were great. too bad mccrank doesnt even ride for a company he helped start, or alteast ride their wheels.

This is a major step in this industry, whose products are typically out of step with the needs of the planet. Momentum is breaking new ground by producing one of the first-ever environmentally enhanced skateboard wheels. The wheels feature a 25% soy based compound which is added to the regular urethane mix, reducing the non-renewable fossil fuel ingredients. The green advantages aside they are still high performance and feature an amazing series of graphics from Brooklyn based graphic designer Esao Andrews.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #167 on: December 05, 2019, 02:50:05 PM »
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Earlier this year I put a plastic rail on a board for the first time in my life. I really enjoy sliding with them and all, but thinking about it I'm not that into leaving small plastic slivers in my wake. Is there any reason to not make wooden rails other than perhaps weight?
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They don’t slide better than wood. Could make rails out of some biodegradable plastic. Dunno how the slide properties of those are though. Definitely something I’d be interested in though.

Oh yeah right, using rails because they slide better slipped my mind there, I just like the extra stability of the toe side rail so for myself I wouldn't mind going wooden. Maybe I should make one of my own and see. Biodegradable plastics should definitely be an option though for sure.

edit: I'd ride some soy wheels for sure
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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #168 on: December 05, 2019, 04:35:02 PM »
Arbor has been making a sucrose-added downhill wheel for a minute, if you want something for the cruiser.

https://skate.arborcollective.com/collections/sucrose-initiative

I think I mentioned it before, but if you can’t find specially-designed environmentally friendly products, use your gear as long as possible, so choose stuff that will last a long time (flight decks, Lib Tech boards) and reuse/repurpose old equipment.


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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #169 on: December 05, 2019, 07:15:23 PM »
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If we were able to make decks with bamboo that skated like maple, it would have already been done. Bamboo grows like an invasive weed. Super easy to grow.

 Look at a bamboo plant. It's a pole. Great for structural support but youre not getting good flat plywood from that. Fuckin 1st grade shit, jesus lord.
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Combination. 1 or 2 plys of bamboo with 5 or 6 plys of maple actually works quite well from my experience. Not a perfect solution by any means but a step.
I had 2 of the bamboo skateboard brand with this combo and I liked it. Really strong and Poppy. When I went back to Maple only I realized that I like the feel of Maple only better, but if anyone is interested I'd recommend to try bamboo and Maple. I was always worried though that they probably procure the bamboo from China, which I felt probably defeated the purpose of me thinking I was helping the environment. If there were local produced Maple and bamboo boards I probably would skate that only and just get used to it. The one thing that I noticed is they get vertical cracks where the bamboo chutes join, but I never did snap one and I'm 190 lbs and have broken many boards from not landing on bolts or not landing properly on lipslides. The bamboo skateboards brand though only seems to have really steep kicks too so I wouldn't recommend if you aren't into that.

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« Reply #170 on: December 05, 2019, 10:42:52 PM »
Stop buying shit you don't need that was manufactured on the other side of the world from an online shop 3,000 miles away.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #171 on: December 06, 2019, 01:36:47 AM »
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Earlier this year I put a plastic rail on a board for the first time in my life. I really enjoy sliding with them and all, but thinking about it I'm not that into leaving small plastic slivers in my wake. Is there any reason to not make wooden rails other than perhaps weight?
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They don’t slide better than wood. Could make rails out of some biodegradable plastic. Dunno how the slide properties of those are though. Definitely something I’d be interested in though.
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Oh yeah right, using rails because they slide better slipped my mind there, I just like the extra stability of the toe side rail so for myself I wouldn't mind going wooden. Maybe I should make one of my own and see. Biodegradable plastics should definitely be an option though for sure.

edit: I'd ride some soy wheels for sure

Maybe a good way to repurpose old boards? I don’t use sliders but seems like that could work.

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Re: Environmental impact of skateboard gear manufacturing
« Reply #172 on: December 06, 2019, 04:26:35 AM »
Arbor has been making a sucrose-added downhill wheel for a minute, if you want something for the cruiser.

https://skate.arborcollective.com/collections/sucrose-initiative

I think I mentioned it before, but if you can’t find specially-designed environmentally friendly products, use your gear as long as possible, so choose stuff that will last a long time (flight decks, Lib Tech boards) and reuse/repurpose old equipment.


Oh, and work for the overthrow of capitalism with a democratically planned economy

Those Arbor Spuds seem pretty cool. I like the name too. Bit big at 64 mm though, even for my cruiser. 🤔