unpopular opinions thread - music edition

[cucktard]

Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k

[Freelancevagrant]

Punkest thing in the past 10 years has been a country duo from Nashville called Birdcloud.

https://youtu.be/ptSowP3Rm8k

This was the most punk shit I’ve seen in my entire life holy shit this amazing.

[Tail Devil]

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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.

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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.

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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed

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roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo

It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.

[Thom]

I love nu metal

[WobbleHeadBob]

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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

Bob Dylan is not a poet. He is a songwriter. He has written poetry, but his songs are not poetry. His songs are songs and his poems are poems. Doesn't change what you can take from them. Same could be said for Leonard Cohen. [I love them both very much.]

Some others I've noticed people don't like to talk to me about;

David Bowie is not bad [at all, i'm well aware that he's great and all - i enjoy most of his songs when i hear them] but he's also a little bit boring and I'm often surprised/confused at how totally fucking crazy off the wall amazing and weird everyone thinks he is. He's ok...

I feel similarly about The Pixies, except that i don't enjoy their music even a little bit when i hear it.

Sonic Youth are more interesting than the pixies but still overall not as exciting as a lot of people like to make out. Not bad, not that great.

Oh, and Radiohead are just total shit. I have occasionally appreciated something they've approached theoretically and been like, oh that's interesting, but as far as being a band you would listen to or pay a fuck load of money to watch perform; that doesn't sit very well with me at all.

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to call a song a poem is to take away from what it means to write a song, for sure. His lyrics do however, easily translate into a sort of poetry, especially for those who don't make poems.

As for Bowie and the Pixies, I think a lot of their stuff is/was great, but most of all, it gained importance because it was innovative upon entering the mainstream. No close to mainstream artist was doing what Bowie was doing when he was doing it in the earlier days. It's not just the music, it's performance art. Similar case with Sonic Youth and the Pixies, nobody who had their level of influence was doing what they were doing. They were all incredibly influential and in some ways, ground breaking.

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a good poem is WAY harder to write than good lyrics. i don’t think dylan really even has great lyrics. he just had long songs, and someone needed to fill twelve inches of record because they had the patent, so they put dylan on. he kinda got the gig because he didn’t have tracks, he’s just had albums worth of ramblings that could be marketed

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roses are red
violets are blue
Im reading Slap
while doing a poo

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It's not even an opinion so much as it is a fact, but it's fun to say to certain people to get them all hot and bothered.

WobbleHeadBob Dylan is a poet.

and theres a new sig. thanks Chief

[El Fapinator]

I love nu metal

What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

 

[Thom]

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I love nu metal

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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

[Sleazy]

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I love nu metal

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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

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RATM and tool aren't new metal...

Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

[Macho Taildrop]

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I love nu metal

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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.

[McDuff]

the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to “I believe in a thing called love”. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.

[WobbleHeadBob]

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the Darkness were a great band and this song fucking rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBZPOGU2g

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Ha! Love the whole album. I was dating a girl at the time and we always joked about how if we got married, our first dance would be to “I believe in a thing called love”. Fun fact (for me): someone asked me to drive them to a 10 stair rail (30 min away) and he would give me this cd as compensation.

What a deal!

the Darkness for a first dance woulda been rad haha

[Thom]

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I love nu metal

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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.

Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome

[El Fapinator]

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I love nu metal

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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

I mean what else would you categorize them as? Maybe the progenitor to what Korn was trying to become?! IDK but thats what I have them in my music folder....

For the most part I've been a hater and for good reason some of that genre was errgghhh mehhh

I believe that with any genre of music there's an oversaturation and for the most part Korn and other bands that were similar they either fell off or kept at it, which is why I like Korn, they've taken the piss from critics and fans and probably heard their complaints which why their sound has gradually gotten better. Thats just me though.

[Macho Taildrop]

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I love nu metal

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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.

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Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome

Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.

[Thom]

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I love nu metal

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What's your favorite band from that genre?  Mine I would say is Rage against the machine and Korn.

 I dabbled with other kooky bands such as Lump Biscuit Tool and various other clones of those band's but ahhhh it didn't really suit me though.

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Probably korn I even went to see them a bunch of times including two summers ago and it was awesome

Is RATM nu metal? I like them too definitely

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I saw Korn on that last tour too (with AIC, another favorite) and they were great. I've seen them like 4 times in the past several years. I like Nu Metal.Most people who say it sucks are parroting or feel embarrassed because they were bullied for being into it or something. Those first two Korn albums were true works of art and there was nothing that could compare to them at the time.

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Did you see them in Camden? That tour was awesome

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Yes. Pre-COVID pretty much everything at BB&T ended up on Groupon so my wife and I have been to so many shoes there. I think every time I've seen Korn over the last few years has been there.

Dude I was there! Haha

[burm]

RATM is more nu metal than Korn. I don’t know what the official definition of nu metal is, I was asking about that earlier in the thread, but to me there’s usually a rap element. Now ask yourself which of the two is a rapper, Zach de la Rocha or Jon Davis? Hint, paradoxically it’s not the one dressing up like Run DMC...

[burm]

But if we say that numetal is alternative metal from around the turn of millenium, I think that would have to include bands like Tool and Orgy.  Hell, maybe even Rammstein, they were on the Family Values tour in ’98 after all.

[Easy Slider]

I never thought of RATM as Nu Metal. Actually when their first album came out the style was called crossover (at least in Europe). The term Nu Metal was first applied to Limp Bizkit afaik.

[Deputy Wendell]

admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

[El Fapinator]

admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

Holy shit dude!!!!

 Way to come in hot with a rad counterpoint to this discussion. I loved and still appreciate Helmet for so many reasons including nostalgic purposes.

These guy's definitely check alot of boxes for numetal before numetal was a thing.

Now upon greater reflection RATM reminds me of crossover rap metal?

[bea!]

admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

[Easy Slider]

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining. 

If Judgment Night is mentioned, I would like to throw in this Onyx/Biohazard collab:

https://youtu.be/DZdW32LgBDc

Rock remixes of rap tracks were quite a thing around that time. E.g. below rock mix of House of Pain Shamrocks and Shenanigans.

https://youtu.be/FOGQDqY-_5w

Obviously Cypress Hill then really jumped on that bandwagon starting from the IV album.

I realise this stuff did not age quite well (as opposed to the rest of the early back catalogue of Onyx, House of Pain and Cypress Hill that aged like fine wine).

[Freelancevagrant]

Onyx fucking rules. I give Kareem 1000% credit for my love of onyx.

My theory is the reason they didn’t fucking blow up is because they released Bacdafucup a few months too late. If they released it in December of 1992 it could have been one of the best records of the year. But, by releasing it in March of 93 they couldn’t compete with what came later that year, midnight marauders and enter the 36 chambers.

Tl/dr onyx got over shadowed by wu tang and a tribe called quest.

[Deputy Wendell]

i love this thread...hey, cheers bea! and Easy Slider, "if Judgment Night is mentioned, I would [also] like to throw in"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmdg3epcic

[IusedToSkateMore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyvEeoj7To
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2p7jOXCj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhyx-heAhY

Eastcide was from my hometown and right on the cusp of blowing up in the rap-rock/nu-metal wave but they were just hoodlums and working dudes making hard music. There was some pretty cool shit going on in Massachusetts in the late 90s-early 00s.

[Thom]

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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

For fans of helmet

https://youtu.be/HtQNSslwHJs

Members of Torche, Kylesa...

[El Fapinator]

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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY

[bea!]

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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

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But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY

That’s definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound.  Definitely their golden child and highest selling band. 

I’m sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didn’t look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.

[El Fapinator]

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admittedly, i just skimmed through this conversation on "Nu Metal," because when i see bands like TOOL, "Rage" (bro), and Korn being mentioned, i throw up in my mouth a little and know that this is not a conversation for me.

but, i do remember digging Helmet's first couple of albums--especially Meantime--and later on down the line, always assumed bands like the above listened to too much Helmet at some points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwhdINdMs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP657058PbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpJCYBIDCM

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Good call... I felt like when Meantime came out and ‘Unsung’ was on MTV, people started cutting their hair and rocking chain wallets and cargo shorts.  I dig Helmet, btw... but that’s a good starting point.

A big thing in the creation Nu-Metal was the Judgement Night soundtrack... which was the first time I remember hip hop and metal/rock combining.  There were a few collabs prior (Anthrax and Public Enemy), but that seemed to kick off a genre.

I think you could throw Pantera in there too... they started that whole ‘groove metal’ thing.  Maybe when White Zombie went metal, too.

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But on the same note Helmet reminds me of post hardcore like Unsane, Unwound, and Born Against.
https://youtu.be/2dy7Cg36qfY

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That’s definitely the scene they came out of... they were on Amphetamine Reptile which was the king label for that post-rock/noise/grunge sound.  Definitely their golden child and highest selling band. 

I’m sure there were others, but they were the first group I remember that played metal but didn’t look metal... they had crew cuts and looked like skaters.

For sure I use to get down while listening to this jam. It really shows our age when looking back at these types of bands.

[Sleazy]

down for helmet, glad to see them brought up

rage is definitely not nu metal and i don't get hate on them. they were damn near retired when nu metal hit. always thoght they were a unique band, still revisit them often. i agree with judgement night kicking off the nu metal genre and really i think korn was the first big band in that genre.

also don't get the hate on tool. they are still releasing great albums. saw them last year. that said i've often thought that tool is probably my generations rush. that band the middle aged white guys get hyped on that no one who wasn't there when they came out likes.