2021 unpopular opinion thread

[Mean salto]

Yeah pretty sure the workers and surrounding environment get completely fucked by the pollution vulc shoe production makes.

I'm a vulc shoe guy but wouldn't be too bothered if they stopped making them. Dc around 2012-2015 had some really good cupsoles (Cole lite, Mike mo) where the sole was actually way grippier,more flexible and longer lasting than vulc shoes. The only "problem" was they had a cushion mid sole so they never felt fully like vulcs. If they just used these soles but cut down the cushion vulc shoes wouldn't really be needed.

[Frank]

Yeah pretty sure the workers and surrounding environment get completely fucked by the pollution vulc shoe production makes.

I'm a vulc shoe guy but wouldn't be too bothered if they stopped making them. Dc around 2012-2015 had some really good cupsoles (Cole lite, Mike mo) where the sole was actually way grippier,more flexible and longer lasting than vulc shoes. The only "problem" was they had a cushion mid sole so they never felt fully like vulcs. If they just used these soles but cut down the cushion vulc shoes wouldn't really be needed.

i'm pretty sure there's a ton of other types of processes nowadays that could get you a similar result to a classic vulc. i guess as long as corpos aren't forced to produce cleaner and healthier we will see those only employed by idealistic upstarts or trojan horses that are actually backed by a big corp in attempts to greenwash their product. 

[burm]

There are many different processes for vulcanization, using different chemicals and therefore with different levels of pollution. I could not find easily any remarks about the process being illegal but did see a couple of factories that still do it in Europe

https://tezlashoes.com/about.html
https://www.eurofina.ro/about-us

so I'm inclined to say it's all about the cost of manufacturing that shoes companies don't manufacture in the EU. Vulcanization also requires machinery and chemicals, whereas if you are a small "European footwear manufacturer" you can still order the rubber sole units from China and just sow them on at your factory, making it "manufactured in the EU".

Just like I can order t-shirts made in China, from cotton from Turkey, and print my graphics on and sow some tags and call it "Made in Italy". Oh and how's this for a twist, the factory in Italy is owned and operated by Chinese subcontractor with Chinese employees.

It's a bit sad.

*edit one more https://lakeshoes.es/en/manufacturing/

[Frank]

There are many different processes for vulcanization, using different chemicals and therefore with different levels of pollution. I could not find easily any remarks about the process being illegal but did see a couple of factories that still do it in Europe

https://tezlashoes.com/about.html
https://www.eurofina.ro/about-us

so I'm inclined to say it's all about the cost of manufacturing that shoes companies don't manufacture in the EU. Vulcanization also requires machinery and chemicals, whereas if you are a small "European footwear manufacturer" you can still order the rubber sole units from China and just sow them on at your factory, making it "manufactured in the EU".

Just like I can order t-shirts made in China, from cotton from Turkey, and print my graphics on and sow some tags and call it "Made in Italy". Oh and how's this for a twist, the factory in Italy is owned and operated by Chinese subcontractor with Chinese employees.

It's a bit sad.

*edit one more https://lakeshoes.es/en/manufacturing/

i had the same trouble finding hard info on this, so this would confirm my guess that it's not literally banned, but just not really feasable to do anymore, probably due to higher worker safety and environmental standards that require a certain factory standard that perhaps almost no one in europe is willing to keep up for the price.

[BALARGUE]

i don't see why cupsoles would be more "legal".
isn't there just a difference in cooking ?

[hustleknocker]

skateboarding would not exist without exploitation on a global scale. ask yourself are you really as a human entitled to "skate shoes" and all the agony that is embedded in their creation.

[Cheshire Cat]

skateboarding would not exist without exploitation on a global scale. ask yourself are you really as a human entitled to "skate shoes" and all the agony that is embedded in their creation.

Skateboarding definitely could have existed without exploitation.
But as is, it exists in a consumer capitalist free market. I don’t think anyone here is acting entitled to skate shoes?

[Dwyck]

Everytime someone joins the crailtap camp an angel dies

[Dwyck]

Dan wheatley is the harbinger of death a la that guy that went from es to Gravis in 2012 (Terp? Josh Matthews?)

[Spirit]

Heel BS Boards should be illegal

[HiResDes]

Heel BS Boards should be illegal

agreed

But Heel FS Boards are dope, Kristian Svitak had good ones.

[SneakySecrets]

Justin Henry has weird drip

[PatrickSkateman]

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Justin Henry has weird drip

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You have to at least give him credit for doing his own thing and not looking like everyone else. But people say I dress weird too so what do I know? I do take pride in having my own style though

Aren’t dangly Shawn Michaels earrings on trend right now?

I find hooping in Vans to be quite strange, and probably not too comfortable.

[pizzafliptofakie]

This is inspired by recent criticisms I've seen for recent videos, but in this day in age I feel like it's kinda trite to complain about a video's soundtrack as much as people do.


Don't get me wrong, music is a large priority in my life and I've got just as many opinions as anybody else. But most of the time I see people hating on a song I feel like they're just looking for something to complain about when there's nothing to say about the skating. There's been plenty of song choices I didn't care for in videos, but it's really hard to think of a single instance where a great part was actually ruined by its music.


Plus with how fucked record labels are about issuing rights to songs, I feel like editors should be cut some slack. Not every video part can be set to Slayer or Wu Tang.

[urbneathme]

This is inspired by recent criticisms I've seen for recent videos, but in this day in age I feel like it's kinda trite to complain about a video's soundtrack as much as people do.


Don't get me wrong, music is a large priority in my life and I've got just as many opinions as anybody else. But most of the time I see people hating on a song I feel like they're just looking for something to complain about when there's nothing to say about the skating. There's been plenty of song choices I didn't care for in videos, but it's really hard to think of a single instance where a great part was actually ruined by its music.


Plus with how fucked record labels are about issuing rights to songs, I feel like editors should be cut some slack. Not every video part can be set to Slayer or Wu Tang.

i get what you’re saying, but there is SO much more music to use now. there are so many sick bands and artists whose music you could get for super cheap. it would require being up on shit, or having someone you know be involved, but there is such a deep ocean of good music to select from, picking a shit song should be difficult. it’s not going to have name recognition or history like wu tang, but it might be someone’s intro to something sick like older videos used to when labels like epitaph would give their music away

[pizzafliptofakie]

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This is inspired by recent criticisms I've seen for recent videos, but in this day in age I feel like it's kinda trite to complain about a video's soundtrack as much as people do.


Don't get me wrong, music is a large priority in my life and I've got just as many opinions as anybody else. But most of the time I see people hating on a song I feel like they're just looking for something to complain about when there's nothing to say about the skating. There's been plenty of song choices I didn't care for in videos, but it's really hard to think of a single instance where a great part was actually ruined by its music.


Plus with how fucked record labels are about issuing rights to songs, I feel like editors should be cut some slack. Not every video part can be set to Slayer or Wu Tang.

[close]

i get what you’re saying, but there is SO much more music to use now. there are so many sick bands and artists whose music you could get for super cheap. it would require being up on shit, or having someone you know be involved, but there is such a deep ocean of good music to select from, picking a shit song should be difficult. it’s not going to have name recognition or history like wu tang, but it might be someone’s intro to something sick like older videos used to when labels like epitaph would give their music away

Of course. I am of the belief that there is no better time to be a consumer of music than right now. There's unlimited good stuff. But I think people have a pretty liberal definition of a "shit" song.  I feel like most times I see people complain about a song it's such an inoffensive choice in the grand scheme of things. I have a somewhat niche pallet when it comes to my personal taste in music but I feel like a song has to be REALLY out there for it to actually me out of the skating.

[dustyassrocketswitchv]

Justin Henry has weird drip

weird is puting it nicely...mans has no drip

[Eric Dolphy]

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Justin Henry has weird drip

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weird is puting it nicely...mans has no drip

He has a different style to you, some people think it looks great. It's not for me but I can see he takes pride in his appearance

[Billy Bitchcakes]

Also everyone who hated on Berra for “fake spots” is an idiot and has obviously never paid attention to skate videos. 


I won't deny being an idiot but when I was younger I was obsessive about watching skate videos. what other skate videos before skate more have fake spots? As in fully made spots designed to appear real, not just a wooden box or stacked pallets or something. Also doesn't Steve's part has sped up footage in it

Small place rail in France (the one that gets rinsed in Sorry - Bastien nollie heel backlip etc) was put in by skaters

[formula420]

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Also everyone who hated on Berra for “fake spots” is an idiot and has obviously never paid attention to skate videos. 


I won't deny being an idiot but when I was younger I was obsessive about watching skate videos. what other skate videos before skate more have fake spots? As in fully made spots designed to appear real, not just a wooden box or stacked pallets or something. Also doesn't Steve's part has sped up footage in it

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Small place rail in France (the one that gets rinsed in Sorry - Bastien nollie heel backlip etc) was put in by skaters

Isnt the main difference that borra took the rails with him when he was done instead of leaving it for others to skate too. Like how a bondo job is legit but if you take out the bondo after your sesh thats lame.

[SneakySecrets]

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Also everyone who hated on Berra for “fake spots” is an idiot and has obviously never paid attention to skate videos. 


I won't deny being an idiot but when I was younger I was obsessive about watching skate videos. what other skate videos before skate more have fake spots? As in fully made spots designed to appear real, not just a wooden box or stacked pallets or something. Also doesn't Steve's part has sped up footage in it

[close]

Small place rail in France (the one that gets rinsed in Sorry - Bastien nollie heel backlip etc) was put in by skaters

[close]

Isnt the main difference that borra took the rails with him when he was done instead of leaving it for others to skate too. Like how a bondo job is legit but if you take out the bondo after your sesh thats lame.

It’s that they were dressed up like legit street shit.  Like he was just going to sneak it right by ya. 

I bet if it was all plain plywood, no one would have made a big deal about it

[HORSES]

Dan wheatley is the harbinger of death a la that guy that went from es to Gravis in 2012 (Terp? Josh Matthews?)

Is Palace going under?

[Painted Baby]

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Also everyone who hated on Berra for “fake spots” is an idiot and has obviously never paid attention to skate videos. 


I won't deny being an idiot but when I was younger I was obsessive about watching skate videos. what other skate videos before skate more have fake spots? As in fully made spots designed to appear real, not just a wooden box or stacked pallets or something. Also doesn't Steve's part has sped up footage in it

[close]

Small place rail in France (the one that gets rinsed in Sorry - Bastien nollie heel backlip etc) was put in by skaters

[close]

Isnt the main difference that borra took the rails with him when he was done instead of leaving it for others to skate too. Like how a bondo job is legit but if you take out the bondo after your sesh thats lame.

[close]

It’s that they were dressed up like legit street shit.  Like he was just going to sneak it right by ya. 

I bet if it was all plain plywood, no one would have made a big deal about it

Berra out here trying to keep SneakySecrets

[LebowskisRug]

Oski is Jay from Mallrat’s doppelgänger same terrible 90’s attire. But don’t get me wrong Oski is one of the only transition rippers I watch and like.

[Yonnycage]

Reynold’s style sucks but I acknowledge his legend status. Same with JT. Bowl skating is boring as shit to watch but I respect the skill it takes.

[3D X-Ray Vision]

Reynold’s style sucks

...the fuck?

[elbarto]

Oski is Jay from Mallrat’s doppelgänger same terrible 90’s attire. But don’t get me wrong Oski is one of the only transition rippers I watch and like.

You should expand your knowledge on transition rippers, shit is cash money.

[elbarto]

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Justin Henry has weird drip

[close]

You have to at least give him credit for doing his own thing and not looking like everyone else. But people say I dress weird too so what do I know? I do take pride in having my own style though

[close]

Aren’t dangly Shawn Michaels earrings on trend right now?

I find hooping in Vans to be quite strange, and probably not too comfortable.

Justin Henry dresses trendy as fuck lol I don’t really notice peoples clothes too much but you can’t tell me he’s doing his own thing style wise. Dude rips though and I’m a fan not trying to take away from his skill.

[newguy]

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skateboarding would not exist without exploitation on a global scale. ask yourself are you really as a human entitled to "skate shoes" and all the agony that is embedded in their creation.

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Skateboarding definitely could have existed without exploitation.
But as is, it exists in a consumer capitalist free market. I don’t think anyone here is acting entitled to skate shoes?

Nah people just treat brands like soccer teams these days

[LebowskisRug]

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Oski is Jay from Mallrat’s doppelgänger same terrible 90’s attire. But don’t get me wrong Oski is one of the only transition rippers I watch and like.

[close]

I definitely don’t mind watching it I just can’t relate much since I’m too risk adverse to engage.

You should expand your knowledge on transition rippers, shit is cash money.