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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1560 on: October 21, 2021, 07:40:09 AM »
it’s safer than skating street imo

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« Reply #1561 on: October 21, 2021, 09:36:19 AM »
skateboarding would not exist without exploitation on a global scale. ask yourself are you really as a human entitled to "skate shoes" and all the agony that is embedded in their creation.

It’s really hard to get through to people on this. It’s not as though this means you should take the blackpill and consume nihilistically, but we should acknowledge that we are at the end of a system of exploitation whose scale is unmatched by anything in world history. In such an economic system, arguing about which shoe is ethical to buy is equivalent to arguing about how many angels can dance in the head of a pin.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1562 on: October 21, 2021, 11:15:15 AM »
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There are many different processes for vulcanization, using different chemicals and therefore with different levels of pollution. I could not find easily any remarks about the process being illegal but did see a couple of factories that still do it in Europe

https://tezlashoes.com/about.html
https://www.eurofina.ro/about-us

so I'm inclined to say it's all about the cost of manufacturing that shoes companies don't manufacture in the EU. Vulcanization also requires machinery and chemicals, whereas if you are a small "European footwear manufacturer" you can still order the rubber sole units from China and just sow them on at your factory, making it "manufactured in the EU".

Just like I can order t-shirts made in China, from cotton from Turkey, and print my graphics on and sow some tags and call it "Made in Italy". Oh and how's this for a twist, the factory in Italy is owned and operated by Chinese subcontractor with Chinese employees.

It's a bit sad.

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i had the same trouble finding hard info on this, so this would confirm my guess that it's not literally banned, but just not really feasable to do anymore, probably due to higher worker safety and environmental standards that require a certain factory standard that perhaps almost no one in europe is willing to keep up for the price.

It's extremely likely that this is the case.  A lot of developing Asian countries are extremely lax on regulations, both from a safety and an environmental standpoint.  To give you an idea, when I went to Shanghai for work, upon landing my lungs actually hurt from the smog.  After an hour I guess my body acclimated and it stopped, but it's legitimately as bad or worse than 1970's Los Angeles.

At my old job, if we needed to do product testing and we were running up against our limit for CO2 production for the year, or if we just had a lot of routine testing, we would just have the testing done at our facility in China because they have no limit.

In the factories over there, a kid was blowing shavings out of parts while sitting on the ground wearing sandals, and blowing the air toward his feet.  Had to be about 14-16 I would guess.  No one over there wore safety glasses, welding face shields, and one guy who was operating a machine to pour aluminum for engine blocks literally reached over to hit a button as the crucible went over his arm.  From what I've heard, production in countries that aren't as developed as China (Vietnam, India, Taiwan, etc.) is even worse.

tl:dr, there's no way that factories in the EU or USA could operate like factories do in developing countries, both from a safety and pollution standpoint.

Capitalism would not exist without exploitation on a global scale. ask yourself are you really as a human entitled to "inexpensive products" and all the agony that is embedded in their creation.

FTFY, but you're not wrong.  Even when stuff was made here, it was rich people taking advantage of poor people to make the skateboard stuff for them.  When labor rates got too high for them to continue to grow their profits for their investors, they went to where there was less regulation so they could pay less for the same thing.  We're starting to run out of other countries that are exploitable enough though.
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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1563 on: October 21, 2021, 09:01:44 PM »
Vans halfcabs are kinda dumb.
Salman's first shoe should of been just as popular.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1564 on: October 21, 2021, 10:54:28 PM »
Vans halfcabs are kinda dumb.
Salman's first shoe should of been just as popular.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1565 on: October 21, 2021, 11:13:00 PM »
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Vans halfcabs are kinda dumb.
Salman's first shoe should of been just as popular.
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WHAT

I've had at least 12-15 pairs of halfcabs and being completely honest with myself I'll probably buy more in the future. I just mean when you look at what it actually is it's kind of a dumb shoe.
Midtop but not really. Put it against most low shoes and it's the same height. Panel toe stitching rips and opens up pretty quickly (you don't get this problem on the old skool or era). Some useless extra panels on the side. Can be kind of heavy/bulky for a vulc vans (this depends on the pair tho seems to be lots of variations, not including pros etc)

The Salman comment was less about his shoe design more about Salman himself and that she shoes came out around the same time.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1566 on: October 21, 2021, 11:16:59 PM »
Half cabs aren’t junk but Salmans first shoe is the best vans Vulc shoe to date

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1567 on: November 07, 2021, 08:05:48 AM »
if i roll away like 15 20 feet and for whatever reason i turn my shoulder weird and just step off the board its a make. if i touch like 5% of my heel or toe but it still looks good and clean without having to shift it around its a make. got big feet and anything past 8.75 takes too much of an effort to flip around everyday. did that before and it wasnt too enjoyable. someone i used to sk8 with wore size 13s and rode an 8. not doing anything like that either it looks disproportionate no diss if anyones doing that

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1568 on: November 07, 2021, 08:38:45 AM »
if i roll away like 15 20 feet and for whatever reason i turn my shoulder weird and just step off the board its a make. if i touch like 5% of my heel or toe but it still looks good and clean without having to shift it around its a make. got big feet and anything past 8.75 takes too much of an effort to flip around everyday. did that before and it wasnt too enjoyable. someone i used to sk8 with wore size 13s and rode an 8. not doing anything like that either it looks disproportionate no diss if anyones doing that

I wear 13s and ride a 7.75 (well I have a few different setups) and it doesn't really make a difference.
compared to my feet adding a half inch-inch doesn't change much . It's like do I have 5 inches of foot overhanging or only 4.75

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1569 on: November 07, 2021, 08:48:57 AM »
thats gnarly i could never do that. you must do things clean as a whistle. the person i described also sk8s super clean. i just try for perfect or if not pretty much perfect without a tictac. rarely i will allow myself a tictac if im over it. maybe like 1 out of 20 things

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1570 on: November 17, 2021, 10:24:01 AM »
I already find 8,5 somewhat small and i’m only a EU44,5 what the fuck man.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1571 on: November 17, 2021, 10:28:51 AM »
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There are many different processes for vulcanization, using different chemicals and therefore with different levels of pollution. I could not find easily any remarks about the process being illegal but did see a couple of factories that still do it in Europe

https://tezlashoes.com/about.html
https://www.eurofina.ro/about-us

so I'm inclined to say it's all about the cost of manufacturing that shoes companies don't manufacture in the EU. Vulcanization also requires machinery and chemicals, whereas if you are a small "European footwear manufacturer" you can still order the rubber sole units from China and just sow them on at your factory, making it "manufactured in the EU".

Just like I can order t-shirts made in China, from cotton from Turkey, and print my graphics on and sow some tags and call it "Made in Italy". Oh and how's this for a twist, the factory in Italy is owned and operated by Chinese subcontractor with Chinese employees.

It's a bit sad.

*edit one more https://lakeshoes.es/en/manufacturing/
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i had the same trouble finding hard info on this, so this would confirm my guess that it's not literally banned, but just not really feasable to do anymore, probably due to higher worker safety and environmental standards that require a certain factory standard that perhaps almost no one in europe is willing to keep up for the price.
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It's extremely likely that this is the case.  A lot of developing Asian countries are extremely lax on regulations, both from a safety and an environmental standpoint.  To give you an idea, when I went to Shanghai for work, upon landing my lungs actually hurt from the smog.  After an hour I guess my body acclimated and it stopped, but it's legitimately as bad or worse than 1970's Los Angeles.

At my old job, if we needed to do product testing and we were running up against our limit for CO2 production for the year, or if we just had a lot of routine testing, we would just have the testing done at our facility in China because they have no limit.

In the factories over there, a kid was blowing shavings out of parts while sitting on the ground wearing sandals, and blowing the air toward his feet.  Had to be about 14-16 I would guess.  No one over there wore safety glasses, welding face shields, and one guy who was operating a machine to pour aluminum for engine blocks literally reached over to hit a button as the crucible went over his arm.  From what I've heard, production in countries that aren't as developed as China (Vietnam, India, Taiwan, etc.) is even worse.

tl:dr, there's no way that factories in the EU or USA could operate like factories do in developing countries, both from a safety and pollution standpoint.

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Capitalism would not exist without exploitation on a global scale. ask yourself are you really as a human entitled to "inexpensive products" and all the agony that is embedded in their creation.
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FTFY, but you're not wrong.  Even when stuff was made here, it was rich people taking advantage of poor people to make the skateboard stuff for them.  When labor rates got too high for them to continue to grow their profits for their investors, they went to where there was less regulation so they could pay less for the same thing.  We're starting to run out of other countries that are exploitable enough though.

I wonder: what happens when we run out of poor places to ruin in order to make things for cheap? Or will the system and society die off before this happens? Or robots? Space aliens?

I’m legit curious, probably robot factories given were making huge strides in robotics atm

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1572 on: November 17, 2021, 11:15:05 AM »
You think the global economy is fucked up now, just wait until automation takes over.

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« Reply #1573 on: November 17, 2021, 11:20:12 AM »
You think the global economy is fucked up now, just wait until automation takes over.

Yea i heard the cotton gin is going to destroy the economy, watch out for those.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1574 on: November 17, 2021, 12:01:04 PM »
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You think the global economy is fucked up now, just wait until automation takes over.
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Yea i heard the cotton gin is going to destroy the economy, watch out for those.
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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1575 on: November 17, 2021, 01:03:08 PM »
Good "trick selection" is for the most part an empty concept to give skaters kudos for. Skaters don't select the trick so much as the trick selects the skater. Pros are pros because they figured out the handful of tricks they do well and ignored the ones they don't.

trick selection has to do with the skaters mind how many times you see a skater come to your local that you been skating for a couple years and everyone is blown away by some random who gets out the car looks at the spot in a completely different way and rips 5 NBDs in a row on 5 different obstacles Trick Selection matters
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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1576 on: November 17, 2021, 01:08:50 PM »
i dont really like deedz footy

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1577 on: November 17, 2021, 04:21:51 PM »
i dont really like deedz footy

His last part was pretty underwhelming tbh.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1578 on: November 17, 2021, 04:23:17 PM »
Most people skating super loose trucks would skate better if they tightened them.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1579 on: November 17, 2021, 07:13:42 PM »
Most people skating super loose trucks would skate better if they tightened them.

Counterpoint: no sane individual can make tight Indys look good
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« Reply #1580 on: November 17, 2021, 07:37:07 PM »
I like Max Palmer but half the time it seems he can barely push or pop things so I’m with you on that.

My hot take: Justin Henry was more interesting to watch when he was an AM.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1581 on: November 17, 2021, 07:48:11 PM »
Most people skating super loose trucks would skate better if they tightened them.

its easier to do tricks on a tighter board. but harder to ride

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1582 on: November 17, 2021, 11:06:46 PM »
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Most people skating super loose trucks would skate better if they tightened them.
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its easier to do tricks on a tighter board. but harder to ride
Landing clean on tight trucks is harder too.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1583 on: November 18, 2021, 12:03:53 AM »
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Most people skating super loose trucks would skate better if they tightened them.
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its easier to do tricks on a tighter board. but harder to ride
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Landing clean on tight trucks is harder too.
I agree with original opinion. Not super loose doesn't automatically mean tight. There's middle ground where you can still turn fine but also not flop around everywhere.

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« Reply #1584 on: November 18, 2021, 05:32:57 AM »
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Most people skating super loose trucks would skate better if they tightened them.
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its easier to do tricks on a tighter board. but harder to ride
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Landing clean on tight trucks is harder too.
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I agree with original opinion. Not super loose doesn't automatically mean tight. There's middle ground where you can still turn fine but also not flop around everywhere.

This.


Counterpoint: no sane individual can make tight Indys look good

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1585 on: November 18, 2021, 08:53:25 AM »
People need to just stop talking about Cariuma. We all know they’re wack, but they thrive off attention and Berra is winning.

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« Reply #1586 on: November 18, 2021, 02:37:22 PM »
Tiago and Chris Cole are insane genetic freaks
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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1587 on: November 18, 2021, 03:57:00 PM »
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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1588 on: November 18, 2021, 07:18:24 PM »
Alex Olson never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

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Re: 2021 unpopular opinion thread
« Reply #1589 on: November 19, 2021, 02:51:19 AM »
nobody gives a fuck if you wear Adidas socks with Nike shoes.
and if they do they are totally fried and not worth listening to.
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