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What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« on: December 17, 2021, 08:13:13 PM »
I’m stuck in a gear madness phase right now. Looking at some shaped boards and i’m wondering: what is the benefit of taper on a board? Since the trucks will sit out further/more inside depending on the shape, how does that affect skate performance? Also just in general riding the board and flicking off of a nose like that.

can some shaped board riders help me out

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2021, 09:16:33 PM »
Board is lighter. That’s why sometimes they’ll say “it’s a 9.5 but rides like an 8.75” or whatever
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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2021, 09:34:50 PM »
I could be wrong but I originally assumed it was for stability over the back truck. More width over the front truck means more leverage for turning. Less width, more stability. It likely also had something to do with where your feet would sit, where your hands would grab and what types of tricks were being done on 80s style boards (when shapes were at their most extreme)  Obviously as street skating became an established thing and switch and nollie tricks got underway, boards evened out more and more until we had the popsicle.

These days, I find different shapes bring out different things in my skateboarding and I am never really sure where its going to lead until i get the shape under my feet. But I don't like shapes to be too radical. Too much taper or too square of a shape just doesn't work for me. The exception would be the Gonz sweatpants shape.

Right now I am really digging eggs/ footballs because the width in the middle feels nice and stable but the tapered nose and tail still keeps things responsive for flip and other tricks. I have size 12 feet so I like the real estate in the middle but the agility of tapered noses and tails A 9" egg will skate like an 8.75" or even 8.5" popsicle especially with the shorter wheelbase. The taped noses also go well on jersey barrier or super tight transition spots where you might catch a bulkier nose. I think eggs are super practical ATVs.

Try some subtle shapes without too much taper first and see what you like about them. I would also recommend if you are still trying to get a little tech and do flip tricks, line up your trucks over the back of the deck not the front or widest point. I see a lot of people riding retro shapes with huge trucks b/c they are matching truck width to deck width at its widest. It's unnecessary.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2021, 09:38:38 PM »
Some tricks are easier. Some are terrifying. Honestly it's just a way to break up the monotony but there's a reason we went to the popsicle in the first place.

I think it's just one of those phases...in a few years all the kids in capris on shaped boards with floppy aces are going to look as dumb as they did the first time it happened (although at least those dudes were being original) and we'll all point and laugh and ridicule them. As it should be.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2021, 11:00:22 PM »
Some tricks are easier. Some are terrifying. Honestly it's just a way to break up the monotony but there's a reason we went to the popsicle in the first place.

I think it's just one of those phases...in a few years all the kids in capris on shaped boards with floppy aces are going to look as dumb as they did the first time it happened (although at least those dudes were being original) and we'll all point and laugh and ridicule them. As it should be.
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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2021, 11:24:08 PM »
It was originally to discourage people from doing varial flips or 90degree shoves out if slide tricks because looking down at a backwards tapered board is the fucking worst.
It didn't take tho because the people who loved tapered boards also probably wore odd socks and flame print beanies and weren't bothered by such things

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2021, 12:07:28 AM »
Riding a polar 91 jr currently and it feels so good. Popping off the nose is a little different to a popsicle obviously but nothing too weird.

It's a 8.65 or 8.7 so not too huge. Feels very stable and like riding a mini tank for me, but still nimble enough to get the thing off the ground. 149 trucks and 3 spacers up front, 1 in the back and sits perfectly.

I was going to go with a Dane1 but just couldn't figure if I'd like the size so started with this. Would recommend if you're unsure on shaped decks.

Also, it's very fun.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2021, 03:11:07 AM »
I’m stuck in a gear madness phase right now. Looking at some shaped boards and i’m wondering: what is the benefit of taper on a board? Since the trucks will sit out further/more inside depending on the shape, how does that affect skate performance? Also just in general riding the board and flicking off of a nose like that.

can some shaped board riders help me out

Are you meaning more so the kicks / tails or the sides of the board too?

Eg an egg shape with tapering nose and tail are often liked for pressure flips and 360 flips more than other things, or a board with a square tail has a lot more room to put your foot, so tail blocks are more fun, just with the two extremes there.

Shapes like an egg, or a fish, or other more diverse things such as a shovel nose, or all those Welcome boards with the ins and outs through the whole board what you had in mind?


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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2021, 03:20:15 AM »
Riding a polar 91 jr currently and it feels so good. Popping off the nose is a little different to a popsicle obviously but nothing too weird.

It's a 8.65 or 8.7 so not too huge. Feels very stable and like riding a mini tank for me, but still nimble enough to get the thing off the ground. 149 trucks and 3 spacers up front, 1 in the back and sits perfectly.

I was going to go with a Dane1 but just couldn't figure if I'd like the size so started with this. Would recommend if you're unsure on shaped decks.

Also, it's very fun.

Small steps. Don’t count out the Dane 1 one day. It’s WB makes it mad nimble. Square tail has great control for shoves. One of the best polar shapes out IMO

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2021, 04:24:17 AM »
Not trying to derail the thread (so soz in advance) but I noticed something years ago and never had anywhere to bring it up/ask so question for tapered board lovers (not so much egg guys more like og polar shape riders) when you skate if you do a 180 or go to fakie/switch is it like ok I'm now skating in reverse/ I'm backwards or more like the idea is you're just going the other way?

I think Pontus is actually a good visual example of the first type how he is all back pocket and when doing tricks switch/fakie it's almost like just a function to get back to regs.

Or I think the more modern (ish)way like you have regular/nollie and then kinda seperatly switch and fakie and fakie is almost like a switch nollie (as dumb as that sounds).
I started skating in 99 and Id say I'm more the second type which makes me kind of dislike tapered boards and certain shaped boards. I just hate looking at them when they are going backwards.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2021, 05:49:19 AM »
Not trying to derail the thread (so soz in advance) but I noticed something years ago and never had anywhere to bring it up/ask so question for tapered board lovers (not so much egg guys more like og polar shape riders) when you skate if you do a 180 or go to fakie/switch is it like ok I'm now skating in reverse/ I'm backwards or more like the idea is you're just going the other way?

I think Pontus is actually a good visual example of the first type how he is all back pocket and when doing tricks switch/fakie it's almost like just a function to get back to regs.

Or I think the more modern (ish)way like you have regular/nollie and then kinda seperatly switch and fakie and fakie is almost like a switch nollie (as dumb as that sounds).
I started skating in 99 and Id say I'm more the second type which makes me kind of dislike tapered boards and certain shaped boards. I just hate looking at them when they are going backwards.

Just do a quick shuvit and then you can ride switch with the board pointing the right way. Not a big deal.
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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2021, 07:51:29 AM »
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Riding a polar 91 jr currently and it feels so good. Popping off the nose is a little different to a popsicle obviously but nothing too weird.

It's a 8.65 or 8.7 so not too huge. Feels very stable and like riding a mini tank for me, but still nimble enough to get the thing off the ground. 149 trucks and 3 spacers up front, 1 in the back and sits perfectly.

I was going to go with a Dane1 but just couldn't figure if I'd like the size so started with this. Would recommend if you're unsure on shaped decks.

Also, it's very fun.
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Small steps. Don’t count out the Dane 1 one day. It’s WB makes it mad nimble. Square tail has great control for shoves. One of the best polar shapes out IMO

Really want a Dane1 at some point now I've rediscovered shaped boards. How does it feel on parks/street? Or do you only ride it for curbs etc?

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2021, 07:58:01 AM »
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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2021, 08:02:18 AM »
I would just like to take this opportunity to sing endless praises of the Girl - Loveseat shape. 9” at its widest so you can roll with 159’s and with a 13.75” wheelbase you’re flipping that bitch all day no problem. I’m on my third, with three more on ice; it’s hard to imagine skating anything else as my regular board for the foreseeable future.
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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2021, 08:41:58 AM »
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Riding a polar 91 jr currently and it feels so good. Popping off the nose is a little different to a popsicle obviously but nothing too weird.

It's a 8.65 or 8.7 so not too huge. Feels very stable and like riding a mini tank for me, but still nimble enough to get the thing off the ground. 149 trucks and 3 spacers up front, 1 in the back and sits perfectly.

I was going to go with a Dane1 but just couldn't figure if I'd like the size so started with this. Would recommend if you're unsure on shaped decks.

Also, it's very fun.
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Small steps. Don’t count out the Dane 1 one day. It’s WB makes it mad nimble. Square tail has great control for shoves. One of the best polar shapes out IMO
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Really want a Dane1 at some point now I've rediscovered shaped boards. How does it feel on parks/street? Or do you only ride it for curbs etc?

Dane 1, 91 JR, P9 are all truly great skateboards that won't hold anyone back. Polar really managed to square the circle of the "shaped board" which so often is a flat, lifeless board meant to please older nostalgic skaters. The same is true of the 92, which they've been out of for a while but will apparently have next summer.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2021, 09:48:26 AM »
Board feels spry despite the width. The additional real estate for my feet feels comfortable.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2021, 09:55:36 AM »
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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2021, 12:53:51 PM »
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I’m stuck in a gear madness phase right now. Looking at some shaped boards and i’m wondering: what is the benefit of taper on a board? Since the trucks will sit out further/more inside depending on the shape, how does that affect skate performance? Also just in general riding the board and flicking off of a nose like that.

can some shaped board riders help me out
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Are you meaning more so the kicks / tails or the sides of the board too?

Eg an egg shape with tapering nose and tail are often liked for pressure flips and 360 flips more than other things, or a board with a square tail has a lot more room to put your foot, so tail blocks are more fun, just with the two extremes there.

Shapes like an egg, or a fish, or other more diverse things such as a shovel nose, or all those Welcome boards with the ins and outs through the whole board what you had in mind?

i’m more thinking the sides of the board. the board i had in mind was the 91 jr. it has a square tail and tapers back to 8.125 and 8.6 at the widest

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2021, 02:30:52 PM »
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Riding a polar 91 jr currently and it feels so good. Popping off the nose is a little different to a popsicle obviously but nothing too weird.

It's a 8.65 or 8.7 so not too huge. Feels very stable and like riding a mini tank for me, but still nimble enough to get the thing off the ground. 149 trucks and 3 spacers up front, 1 in the back and sits perfectly.

I was going to go with a Dane1 but just couldn't figure if I'd like the size so started with this. Would recommend if you're unsure on shaped decks.

Also, it's very fun.
[close]

Small steps. Don’t count out the Dane 1 one day. It’s WB makes it mad nimble. Square tail has great control for shoves. One of the best polar shapes out IMO
[close]

Really want a Dane1 at some point now I've rediscovered shaped boards. How does it feel on parks/street? Or do you only ride it for curbs etc?
[close]

Dane 1, 91 JR, P9 are all truly great skateboards that won't hold anyone back. Polar really managed to square the circle of the "shaped board" which so often is a flat, lifeless board meant to please older nostalgic skaters. The same is true of the 92, which they've been out of for a while but will apparently have next summer.

Would also highly recommend the Dane 1.  I just set up my second one in a row today.  It started out with me just wanting to switch things up with a shaped deck but I’ve found that for my skating (ledges, curbs, manuals, flatbars mostly) I’ve adapted to be able to do the same tricks as well as I did with a standard popsicle but with the added bonus of the Dane 1 injecting a new energy cause it’s just fun cruising around on between tricks.  The shape’s extremely stable feeling without necessarily feeling heavy when you’re popping tricks.  I also do a lot of nollie stuff and the nose isn’t that big of a deterrent.  If it’s a higher ledge you’re nollieing into a grind on you can just skate it backwards.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2021, 02:52:29 PM »
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Not trying to derail the thread (so soz in advance) but I noticed something years ago and never had anywhere to bring it up/ask so question for tapered board lovers (not so much egg guys more like og polar shape riders) when you skate if you do a 180 or go to fakie/switch is it like ok I'm now skating in reverse/ I'm backwards or more like the idea is you're just going the other way?

I think Pontus is actually a good visual example of the first type how he is all back pocket and when doing tricks switch/fakie it's almost like just a function to get back to regs.

Or I think the more modern (ish)way like you have regular/nollie and then kinda seperatly switch and fakie and fakie is almost like a switch nollie (as dumb as that sounds).
I started skating in 99 and Id say I'm more the second type which makes me kind of dislike tapered boards and certain shaped boards. I just hate looking at them when they are going backwards.
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Just do a quick shuvit and then you can ride switch with the board pointing the right way. Not a big deal.
This is why we started doing shuvs way back then.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2021, 04:02:59 PM »
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I’m stuck in a gear madness phase right now. Looking at some shaped boards and i’m wondering: what is the benefit of taper on a board? Since the trucks will sit out further/more inside depending on the shape, how does that affect skate performance? Also just in general riding the board and flicking off of a nose like that.

can some shaped board riders help me out
[close]

Are you meaning more so the kicks / tails or the sides of the board too?

Eg an egg shape with tapering nose and tail are often liked for pressure flips and 360 flips more than other things, or a board with a square tail has a lot more room to put your foot, so tail blocks are more fun, just with the two extremes there.

Shapes like an egg, or a fish, or other more diverse things such as a shovel nose, or all those Welcome boards with the ins and outs through the whole board what you had in mind?
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i’m more thinking the sides of the board. the board i had in mind was the 91 jr. it has a square tail and tapers back to 8.125 and 8.6 at the widest


Yeah, so I think others have already said it but I know some people like the front width to stand on for full front foot comfort then the back foot is more on the toe to pop or do tricks, as well as cut down some weight.

That is also how a lot of PS Stix boards are shaped too, wider in the front and taper down to smaller in the back, although it might not be quite as noticeable in some of the more normal boards, it is still up to 1/4" difference from front bolts to back bolts.


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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2021, 04:08:57 PM »
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I’m stuck in a gear madness phase right now. Looking at some shaped boards and i’m wondering: what is the benefit of taper on a board? Since the trucks will sit out further/more inside depending on the shape, how does that affect skate performance? Also just in general riding the board and flicking off of a nose like that.

can some shaped board riders help me out
[close]

Are you meaning more so the kicks / tails or the sides of the board too?

Eg an egg shape with tapering nose and tail are often liked for pressure flips and 360 flips more than other things, or a board with a square tail has a lot more room to put your foot, so tail blocks are more fun, just with the two extremes there.

Shapes like an egg, or a fish, or other more diverse things such as a shovel nose, or all those Welcome boards with the ins and outs through the whole board what you had in mind?
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i’m more thinking the sides of the board. the board i had in mind was the 91 jr. it has a square tail and tapers back to 8.125 and 8.6 at the widest

Don't know if you've seen the pic of the 91 jr setup i posted in the setup thread? I honestly haven't noticed anything mad about the taper at the tail, even with wide conicals and 149s i dont think they stick out a crazy amount (if at all).

I've found it easy to pop. I'm coming from a 8.3 carpet deck. The polar feels lighter and more nimble than that popsicle so maybe the taper helps with that?

Also to everyone else you've sold me. Dane1 next. 151s bought ready for it.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2021, 04:18:42 PM »
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I’m stuck in a gear madness phase right now. Looking at some shaped boards and i’m wondering: what is the benefit of taper on a board? Since the trucks will sit out further/more inside depending on the shape, how does that affect skate performance? Also just in general riding the board and flicking off of a nose like that.

can some shaped board riders help me out
[close]

Are you meaning more so the kicks / tails or the sides of the board too?

Eg an egg shape with tapering nose and tail are often liked for pressure flips and 360 flips more than other things, or a board with a square tail has a lot more room to put your foot, so tail blocks are more fun, just with the two extremes there.

Shapes like an egg, or a fish, or other more diverse things such as a shovel nose, or all those Welcome boards with the ins and outs through the whole board what you had in mind?
[close]

i’m more thinking the sides of the board. the board i had in mind was the 91 jr. it has a square tail and tapers back to 8.125 and 8.6 at the widest
[close]

Don't know if you've seen the pic of the 91 jr setup i posted in the setup thread? I honestly haven't noticed anything mad about the taper at the tail, even with wide conicals and 149s i dont think they stick out a crazy amount (if at all).

I've found it easy to pop. I'm coming from a 8.3 carpet deck. The polar feels lighter and more nimble than that popsicle so maybe the taper helps with that?

Also to everyone else you've sold me. Dane1 next. 151s bought ready for it.


I thought the Dane 1 shape was being retired, but there could be renewed interest and another lot in the works.


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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2021, 08:06:59 PM »
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Exactly. @Buttfart Rapedick doesn't have none.

Just kidding... but for real, I feel most at home on a tapered shape. Makes things more fun and fits perfectly with the way I skate. Not saying popsicles aren't fun, but there's something about going really fast on a shaped board on top of floppy aces that a popsicle setup can't match. The "surfiness," if you will.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2021, 11:55:29 PM »
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I’m stuck in a gear madness phase right now. Looking at some shaped boards and i’m wondering: what is the benefit of taper on a board? Since the trucks will sit out further/more inside depending on the shape, how does that affect skate performance? Also just in general riding the board and flicking off of a nose like that.

can some shaped board riders help me out
[close]

Are you meaning more so the kicks / tails or the sides of the board too?

Eg an egg shape with tapering nose and tail are often liked for pressure flips and 360 flips more than other things, or a board with a square tail has a lot more room to put your foot, so tail blocks are more fun, just with the two extremes there.

Shapes like an egg, or a fish, or other more diverse things such as a shovel nose, or all those Welcome boards with the ins and outs through the whole board what you had in mind?
[close]

i’m more thinking the sides of the board. the board i had in mind was the 91 jr. it has a square tail and tapers back to 8.125 and 8.6 at the widest
[close]

Don't know if you've seen the pic of the 91 jr setup i posted in the setup thread? I honestly haven't noticed anything mad about the taper at the tail, even with wide conicals and 149s i dont think they stick out a crazy amount (if at all).

I've found it easy to pop. I'm coming from a 8.3 carpet deck. The polar feels lighter and more nimble than that popsicle so maybe the taper helps with that?

Also to everyone else you've sold me. Dane1 next. 151s bought ready for it.

Thanks for the perspective. Between you and the other guy I’m excited to skate this 91 jr.

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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2021, 06:26:05 AM »
Dane1 is an everything board without a doubt

Don’t let the 9.75 fool you

Back this hard, as well as the atm Donovan shape.
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Re: What is the benefit of board taper on shaped decks?
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2021, 06:32:02 AM »
If you are into big boards and like to skate them in all terrain I would recommend something like this:


The Covid Collection-<br/>Pig Tank 9.75 — Fixer Skateboard Co (fixerskateboardcompany.com)


I learned so many tricks on this thing, on street and on transition.

Nowadays, since I almost never skate street obstacles, I stick to bigger boards with bigger tails. But the pig tank is a fully functional board that is a whole lot of fun on any kind of terrain.