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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5580 on: January 01, 2026, 08:42:05 AM »
It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5581 on: January 01, 2026, 09:28:27 AM »
Something truly glaring when you compare Bob’s guest trick to Tony’s. Both lip tricks but, the majestic launch with Bob’s type of smooth board spin (switch no less) VS Tony’s sloppy fakie shuv to nothing is a sacred and sad testament, respectively.


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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5582 on: January 01, 2026, 09:52:23 AM »
It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5583 on: January 01, 2026, 10:23:06 AM »
It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.

I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5584 on: January 01, 2026, 10:23:21 AM »
there are two (hawk vs)wolves inside me: one that never wishes to see jason ellis on my screen again, and one that lives to watch him get roasted by GH

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5585 on: January 01, 2026, 11:07:02 AM »
i think GH is great when he's in his lane. he pretty clearly does not have any clue about vert, and doesn't seem to have even dropped in on a halfpipe despite absolutely having access.

above that though, the main issue with GH is that he says A LOT of personal shit, but cannot take it back (he'll delete your posts on his insta if you arent straight up sucking his dick). which spools pretty badly because GH pretty clearly doesn't want to take responsibility for the consequences his vitriol can have, which creates problems when he's spitting acid on shit he doesn't know about. the everest take i'm seeing parroted is actual cancer. sherpa can't drop in for you at bob's ramp. accessible or not, clearing that step up gap is a feat you can't just pay for.

i guess when it comes to vert GH kinda gives 'i only listen to eminem but ill shit on domino' vibes. especially when it's that "ah its jus a character bro!" cheat code he always uses when he gets asked about the thousands of people sincerely repeating his hate. like bro people are treating schaar like he's malfoy and when i skated with him at skatelab as a kid, he was a basically nonverbal introvert. definitely a sweet kid.

so as to say, GH is not someone i'd hitch my horse to for anything other than a few minutes of entertainment, but that's not how his fans treat it. way i see it, he's holding onto some high and slippery rungs. when i saw him cherry picking clips and dickriding bob when he didn't even know bob was the soccer goal without a google search i was like "yiiiikes bro". plus pulling that 'schaar's rich' thing in while bouncing on the dicks of much, much wealthier street pros feels extremely hsu-coded, especially because i don't think schaar is that rich?

his street takes can be fun and his toxic pro hunting speargun is good when its accurate, but he throws false positives out left and right and frankly seems like a glass house type of dude.
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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5586 on: January 01, 2026, 12:11:45 PM »
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It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.

But that's the culture man. Also Gator & Hosoi. You wouldn't understand.

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5587 on: January 01, 2026, 01:01:22 PM »
Ramp dogs making slap accounts just to disparage the pale king

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5588 on: January 01, 2026, 01:12:19 PM »
Ramp dogs making slap accounts just to disparage the pale king

And not addressing any of the points he made

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5589 on: January 01, 2026, 01:26:00 PM »
Ramp dogs making slap accounts just to disparage the pale king

me asf. go figure people wake up when shit gets talked by an outsider with less than enough clues and gets a bunch of stans to drag a whole environment over it. tbh im actually generally on gh's side in the street nerd context but he seems to be confusing where his stripes are from. you'd be surprised how many people lurk here and don't have a complex about vert skating.

also did he self-title himself pale king? is it supposed to be a dfw reference or something? or is he just trying to get at white king without getting at it
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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5590 on: January 01, 2026, 01:30:04 PM »
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It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.
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But that's the culture man. Also Gator & Hosoi. You wouldn't understand.

If this wasn't so pathetic it would almost be funny. Almost.

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« Reply #5591 on: January 01, 2026, 01:53:56 PM »
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It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.

“By all accounts, I still look up to those guys that spit on me. Literally, Duane Peters and Salba spit on me at Colton and I remember it like it was yesterday.”

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« Reply #5592 on: January 01, 2026, 02:46:46 PM »
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It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.
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“By all accounts, I still look up to those guys that spit on me. Literally, Duane Peters and Salba spit on me at Colton and I remember it like it was yesterday.”

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5593 on: January 01, 2026, 02:56:22 PM »
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It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.
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“By all accounts, I still look up to those guys that spit on me. Literally, Duane Peters and Salba spit on me at Colton and I remember it like it was yesterday.”

https://juicemagazine.com/home/tony-hawk-2/
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« Reply #5594 on: January 01, 2026, 03:19:42 PM »
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It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.
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“By all accounts, I still look up to those guys that spit on me. Literally, Duane Peters and Salba spit on me at Colton and I remember it like it was yesterday.”

https://juicemagazine.com/home/tony-hawk-2/
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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5595 on: January 01, 2026, 03:59:06 PM »
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It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.
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But that's the culture man. Also Gator & Hosoi. You wouldn't understand.
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If this wasn't so pathetic it would almost be funny. Almost.

Let's not forget another hero of vert skating history and culture, Danny Way, who murdered Keith Ogden for hitting on him.

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« Reply #5596 on: January 01, 2026, 04:10:40 PM »
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It’s painfully obvious this guy knows absolutely nothing about vert. Same is true of all the fanboys parroting these banal talking points. Is it surprising or noteworthy that vert skaters would vocally support the only vert skater in the running for the only skate award that matters? No one in skateboarding has ever actually cared about Tony Hawk’s opinion. He’s been skewered his entire career. People used to literally spit in his face. Hawk was shocked when Grosso invited him on Loveletters.

The entire discourse betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of vert skateboarding, its history, and its culture.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Duane Peters, whose behaviour shouldn't exactly be used as a barometer of anything other than what not to do.
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But that's the culture man. Also Gator & Hosoi. You wouldn't understand.
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If this wasn't so pathetic it would almost be funny. Almost.
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Let's not forget another hero of vert skating history and culture, Danny Way, who murdered Keith Ogden for hitting on him.

good lord this sent me, i have never heard swindell's murder described in this way lmao
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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5597 on: January 02, 2026, 06:13:53 AM »
It's pretty much accepted by now that Swindell took the fall for Danny Way. Seriously apart from VoV I'm having trouble thinking of a Vert GOAT who didn't turn out to be at least a kook, at worst a psychopath.

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« Reply #5598 on: January 02, 2026, 07:23:14 AM »
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And not addressing any of the points he made
Exactly this and Im still waiting to be enlightened on why tom schaar is the second coming of bob.

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« Reply #5599 on: January 02, 2026, 08:01:44 AM »
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And not addressing any of the points he made
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Exactly this and Im still waiting to be enlightened on why tom schaar is the second coming of bob.

“Please explain the subtle intricacies of a sport I know nothing about, have never cared about, and will promptly forget the moment it stops being trendy.”

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« Reply #5600 on: January 02, 2026, 08:53:37 AM »
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Exactly this and Im still waiting to be enlightened on why tom schaar is the second coming of bob.
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“Please explain the subtle intricacies of a sport I know nothing about, have never cared about, and will promptly forget the moment it stops being trendy.”

Meaning you think vert is trendy right now.

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« Reply #5601 on: January 02, 2026, 09:38:34 AM »
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Exactly this and Im still waiting to be enlightened on why tom schaar is the second coming of bob.
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“Please explain the subtle intricacies of a sport I know nothing about, have never cared about, and will promptly forget the moment it stops being trendy.”

Just adding to the list of non answers. I used to love vert and definitely cared about it.

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5602 on: January 02, 2026, 10:52:39 AM »
it was basically a mini ramp part anyway

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5603 on: January 02, 2026, 11:00:37 AM »
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Exactly this and Im still waiting to be enlightened on why tom schaar is the second coming of bob.
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“Please explain the subtle intricacies of a sport I know nothing about, have never cared about, and will promptly forget the moment it stops being trendy.”

Are you suggesting vert is a separate sport? And it’s trendy? I’m a bit confused by that reply.

Also can you actually break down what sets Tom apart from dudes who were doing it 20 years ago? Because it looked like a whole lot of ABD’s were pointed out in the video. I was fully aware when vert was the top seller and to my knowledge it was going bigger and more tech in 2005 than it is these days.

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5604 on: January 02, 2026, 11:06:08 AM »
It's pretty much accepted by now that Swindell took the fall for Danny Way. Seriously apart from VoV I'm having trouble thinking of a Vert GOAT who didn't turn out to be at least a kook, at worst a psychopath.

wait fr? do you have a source? i've never heard anything credible on that but i also wouldnt be surprised
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« Reply #5605 on: January 02, 2026, 11:09:12 AM »
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Exactly this and Im still waiting to be enlightened on why tom schaar is the second coming of bob.
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“Please explain the subtle intricacies of a sport I know nothing about, have never cared about, and will promptly forget the moment it stops being trendy.”

oh my god go to bed granpa

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5606 on: January 02, 2026, 11:24:12 AM »
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Exactly this and Im still waiting to be enlightened on why tom schaar is the second coming of bob.
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“Please explain the subtle intricacies of a sport I know nothing about, have never cared about, and will promptly forget the moment it stops being trendy.”
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Just adding to the list of non answers. I used to love vert and definitely cared about it.

are there specific points by gh you want addressed? tbh watching his schaar stuff it is kinda hard to separate the normal talking shit from the actual criticisms, the uploads are pretty long and he says a looot of shit. he has moments that also shut your ears off (e.g., not knowing the soccer goal was a bob thing)

if its the relative skill level of schaar compared to bob, I don't really think there IS a retort. bob is the best mega skater of all time and also has the best comp vert run of all time. those are things that are very unlikely to be topped by schaar ever, he doesn't live on a mega ramp and his comp days seem to be behind him. all he can do is make cool videos, which isnt really anything to shit all over imo.

but if it's more about schaar's style or aesthetic, there are pretty obvious differences that make schaar more attractive to watchers. schaar really locks things in, which lets be honest bob and dway and the others always looked like they were barely eeking out the makes. the criticism i've been seeing of schaar's style is that he makes it look TOO easy, but not sure if that's something youd be putting up. beyond that, schaar's parts are a lot shorter and have a lot more spot diversity than is typical for videos with wood ramps, and frankly the edits are just better and more flowy from a filmmaking standpoint. but in terms of technical makes, outside of maybe a dozen of the more techy clips, schaar isn't even trying to chase a ledger of uber nerd nbds. i think people are more just stoked on schaar because he's showing stuff you don't really see anymore in a pretty "catchy" format, which is faithful and well studied to what made the best moments in vert history what they were.

i genuinely dont think its much deeper than that though. and i DO think that merits nom for SOTY, since there really isnt anyone else touching these disciplines this way. but i am NOT someone who would say schaar should have been first or even second, as much as i would've loved a win for the vert community (which is mostly just 80s era cityborn dads and their kids, at least in my experience at vert ramps in the midwest and cali).

the kickback id push is that i dont see gh stans really beating the charges that GH is showing some real ignorance to the vert scene, which is problematic since he's been really aggressively shading the whole thing. in street, its cool because he is a genuine street nerd and a good skater and actually likes street, but i dont think he's ever even dropped in on a vert ramp and he seems to just want to bully it. i would say these criticisms of GH are totally valid and DO undermine his ethos.

which ISNT to say GH's criticisms of accessibility and vert being "rich kid shit" aren't valid, but also i see people acting like skating a vert ramp requires a $2000 season lift ticket. i've never paid a penny to skate a vert ramp, but it does take a lot of gumshoe work to find one, and that's if you're lucky enough to have one within a day drive, which implicitly means youre either in a very lucky rural spot or a city, which does require a degree of geographic privilege (but not that much IMO)

does that suffice or nah? again im not really sure which gh points you're looking for here
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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5607 on: January 02, 2026, 11:26:48 AM »
The issue isn't Tom Scharr. He is a good skater and put out a good part.

The issue is Tony Hawk glazing him and calling him "revolutionary" when he hasn't done anything revolutionary in his part at all. Bob and Danny Way were doing more difficult and impressive stuff 20 years ago.

Basically, it just seems like Tony Hawk is throwing a fit because he didn't get his way. He seems like he thinks his opinion should hold wait on who wins SOTY, even though he obviously doesn't give a AF and is only upset that the vert guy didn't win (who also skates for Tony's company, btw).

In street terms, this would be like someone going out and doing similar stuff that Marc Johnson was doing when he won in 2007. Sure, still impressive, but not "revolutionary".

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Re: Thoughts on Gifted Hater?
« Reply #5608 on: January 02, 2026, 11:39:40 AM »
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wait fr? do you have a source? i've never heard anything credible on that but i also wouldnt be surprised

Swindell painted a pretty clear picture after having sat through his entire sentence at which point changing the story didn't serve him much anymore. I remember being sent a thread on here that listed some other sources. "Credible" is a problematic concept in this case because if you look at how that trial went down and the evidence on which Danny Way got off the hook and Swindell got sentenced, nothing is credible. It's basically a third man reversing his story who shortly afterwards either died or went in for life on other charges, I don't remember. The money and influence of Ken Block and Damon Way decided that trial.

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Exactly this and Im still waiting to be enlightened on why tom schaar is the second coming of bob.
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“Please explain the subtle intricacies of a sport I know nothing about, have never cared about, and will promptly forget the moment it stops being trendy.”
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Just adding to the list of non answers. I used to love vert and definitely cared about it.
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Blaaahhhh

Why are you replying in somebody else's stead?