Weartested Nike SB Ishod Review

[Weartested Reviews]

Check out our latest review, the Ishod
https://www.weartested.com/nike-sb-ishod/

[Dooky-shoes]

Check out our latest review, the Ishod
https://www.weartested.com/nike-sb-ishod/

This thread should be called “follow me on insta…please”

[LebowskisRug]

It’s interesting that you basically come to the same conclusion about every shoe in that they all have good grip, performance, boardfeel, etc

[JugeL]

These reviews have always felt like sponsored reviews

[munchbox]

agreed. read all the reviews and theres no outright bad pair
like is there such thing as a shitty shoe?

[Mean salto]

Kinda disappointing the entire cushion comes from the insole. If bikes going to keep making shoes like this then they should redo some Koston 1s and just use these insoles.

[JugeL]

agreed. read all the reviews and theres no outright bad pair
like is there such thing as a shitty shoe?

I don't think they ever even listed one bad quality on any of the shoes they reviewed

Are you weartested guys really that afraid to ruffle some feathers?

[FUBAR]

agreed. read all the reviews and theres no outright bad pair
like is there such thing as a shitty shoe?

Yes. Yes there is. But shoes are tricky. You may love a shoe, but my feet and skating are way different and I could hate it. If a shoe just straight falls apart (like sole falls off) quickly or gets oiile holes after one session, that is an easy way to determine a crap shoe.

[pizzafliptofakie]

Are you guys even reading the reviews? Just about every shoe I've clicked on has had pretty reasonable pros and cons, as a review should.



Not every piece of writing in skateboarding has to talk shit in order to be legitimate.

[funeral_tuxedo]

I always love the cut away views on weartested.
I’m out of commission for awhile but the black/gum and black/cement Ishods look pretty good to me.

[twic3]

Kinda disappointing the entire cushion comes from the insole. If bikes going to keep making shoes like this then they should redo some Koston 1s and just use these insoles.

I'm pretty bummed as well, I was hoping there would be a midsole. The react insole is probably the best skate insole out rn but these shoes probably feel the same as the Bruins React.

[LebowskisRug]

Ya I read the reviews. The pros and cons are very, very minimal at best. The conclusions are all the same. There are not many details about what are likely to be drastic differences in fit and boardfeel for the most part. Like, the conclusion for the Last Resorts is the same as for the Ishod how can that be?

[pizzafliptofakie]

Ya I read the reviews. The pros and cons are very, very minimal at best. The conclusions are all the same. There are not many details about what are likely to be drastic differences in fit and boardfeel for the most part. Like, the conclusion for the Last Resorts is the same as for the Ishod how can that be?

Because they're not?


In the Last Resort review they're praising its grip/boardfeel/design while commenting on its lack of support and cushioning. In the Ishods they're praising its durability/breathability/support while commenting on the "average" grip and some parts of the shoe being far less durable than others. Both shoes are being praised because both shoes seem to be good at what they're trying to do. It's up to you as the reader to draw a conclusion from the information given, but if you read both of those and come out with the same conclusion, you probably didn't read it very thoroughly.

[LebowskisRug]

I think what would be useful would be some basic ordinal scoring on 1-10 level.

With the Ishod review the conclusion is confusing:

The shoe’s design found a perfect balance of exceptional cushioning and great stability/support, without sacrificing boardfeel. The shoe needs some time to break in, and the durability is good but with some flaws such as the aforementioned heel collar. With that said, this is probably the best all-round skate shoe currently available in the market.

Ok, how is a shoe with average grip and lower than average durability the best all-around? An additional sentence saying something like "These flaws are minor and when compared to other shoes we have recently tested do not detract from the exceptional stability and padding enough to matter".

And when comparing stability both the LR and Ishod have exceptional stability. I've skated in LR and worn the Ishods and they don't feel alike nor is the stability the same. It seems like the tester is kinda comfortable with the stability of any skate shoe so I dunno how they assess this. If you've worn a thin vulc high top ever you'd realize that unless you fucking cranked the laces it's not going to cradle the heel like a cupsole and is too thin to actually prevent lateral rolling.

[pizzafliptofakie]

I think what would be useful would be some basic ordinal scoring on 1-10 level.

With the Ishod review the conclusion is confusing:

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The shoe’s design found a perfect balance of exceptional cushioning and great stability/support, without sacrificing boardfeel. The shoe needs some time to break in, and the durability is good but with some flaws such as the aforementioned heel collar. With that said, this is probably the best all-round skate shoe currently available in the market.

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Ok, how is a shoe with average grip and lower than average durability the best all-around? An additional sentence saying something like "These flaws are minor and when compared to other shoes we have recently tested do not detract from the exceptional stability and padding enough to matter".

And when comparing stability both the LR and Ishod have exceptional stability. I've skated in LR and worn the Ishods and they don't feel alike nor is the stability the same. It seems like the tester is kinda comfortable with the stability of any skate shoe so I dunno how they assess this. If you've worn a thin vulc high top ever you'd realize that unless you fucking cranked the laces it's not going to cradle the heel like a cupsole and is too thin to actually prevent lateral rolling.

That is what they're saying. You just have to read between the lines and actually think about it a little.





I think the 1-10 thing is kind of a bad way to review skate shoes because it's so subjective. People expect different things out of different shoes, and simplifying to "this shoe is good" or "this shoe is bad" helps nobody. If you're someone like me who really cares about how a shoe grips, you might read the Ishod review and decide that they're not for you. But that doesn't make them bad shoes. But it's up to you to decide with the information given.



And also to drive the initial point further, I'm clicking on other reviews and finding lots of varying results. Apparently they're not impressed with the Gamma's durability. Apparently they're not impressed with the Rowan's boardfeel/grip. So to say all the reviews have the same takeaway is just flat out wrong. If I want to see someone say a shoe sucks I'll just read a Slap thread, because that's clearly not the goal of that blog.

[LebowskisRug]

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I think what would be useful would be some basic ordinal scoring on 1-10 level.

With the Ishod review the conclusion is confusing:

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The shoe’s design found a perfect balance of exceptional cushioning and great stability/support, without sacrificing boardfeel. The shoe needs some time to break in, and the durability is good but with some flaws such as the aforementioned heel collar. With that said, this is probably the best all-round skate shoe currently available in the market.

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Ok, how is a shoe with average grip and lower than average durability the best all-around? An additional sentence saying something like "These flaws are minor and when compared to other shoes we have recently tested do not detract from the exceptional stability and padding enough to matter".

And when comparing stability both the LR and Ishod have exceptional stability. I've skated in LR and worn the Ishods and they don't feel alike nor is the stability the same. It seems like the tester is kinda comfortable with the stability of any skate shoe so I dunno how they assess this. If you've worn a thin vulc high top ever you'd realize that unless you fucking cranked the laces it's not going to cradle the heel like a cupsole and is too thin to actually prevent lateral rolling.

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That is what they're saying. You just have to read between the lines and actually think about it a little.





I think the 1-10 thing is kind of a bad way to review skate shoes because it's so subjective. People expect different things out of different shoes, and simplifying to "this shoe is good" or "this shoe is bad" helps nobody. If you're someone like me who really cares about how a shoe grips, you might read the Ishod review and decide that they're not for you. But that doesn't make them bad shoes. But it's up to you to decide with the information given.



And also to drive the initial point further, I'm clicking on other reviews and finding lots of varying results. Apparently they're not impressed with the Gamma's durability. Apparently they're not impressed with the Rowan's boardfeel/grip. So to say all the reviews have the same takeaway is just flat out wrong.

I am sorry how is 1-10 subjective compared to what they are currently doing, which is vague conclusions that leave questions in people's heads? I'm not the only one in this thread that has the same impression of their reviews.

By natural ordinal scales are not subjective when used across units of analysis as they ground all units in a similar assessment criteria range. Shoe reviews are always subjective, but the addition of a numeric scale adds some objectivity. This is why reviews of almost everything use such scales and why ordinal scales are used in subjective measures such as rate of perceived exertion, perception of economic risk, and scales of feeling.

[pizzafliptofakie]

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I think what would be useful would be some basic ordinal scoring on 1-10 level.

With the Ishod review the conclusion is confusing:

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The shoe’s design found a perfect balance of exceptional cushioning and great stability/support, without sacrificing boardfeel. The shoe needs some time to break in, and the durability is good but with some flaws such as the aforementioned heel collar. With that said, this is probably the best all-round skate shoe currently available in the market.

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Ok, how is a shoe with average grip and lower than average durability the best all-around? An additional sentence saying something like "These flaws are minor and when compared to other shoes we have recently tested do not detract from the exceptional stability and padding enough to matter".

And when comparing stability both the LR and Ishod have exceptional stability. I've skated in LR and worn the Ishods and they don't feel alike nor is the stability the same. It seems like the tester is kinda comfortable with the stability of any skate shoe so I dunno how they assess this. If you've worn a thin vulc high top ever you'd realize that unless you fucking cranked the laces it's not going to cradle the heel like a cupsole and is too thin to actually prevent lateral rolling.

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That is what they're saying. You just have to read between the lines and actually think about it a little.





I think the 1-10 thing is kind of a bad way to review skate shoes because it's so subjective. People expect different things out of different shoes, and simplifying to "this shoe is good" or "this shoe is bad" helps nobody. If you're someone like me who really cares about how a shoe grips, you might read the Ishod review and decide that they're not for you. But that doesn't make them bad shoes. But it's up to you to decide with the information given.



And also to drive the initial point further, I'm clicking on other reviews and finding lots of varying results. Apparently they're not impressed with the Gamma's durability. Apparently they're not impressed with the Rowan's boardfeel/grip. So to say all the reviews have the same takeaway is just flat out wrong.

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I am sorry how is 1-10 subjective compared to what they are currently doing, which is vague conclusions that leave questions in people's heads? I'm not the only one in this thread that has the same impression of their reviews.

By natural ordinal scales are not subjective when used across units of analysis as they ground all units in a similar assessment criteria range. Shoe reviews are always subjective, but the addition of a numeric scale adds some objectivity. This is why reviews of almost everything use such scales and why ordinal scales are used in subjective measures such as rate of perceived exertion, perception of economic risk, and scales of feeling.

This post proves my point because you clearly didn't read what I said very thoroughly.

[LebowskisRug]

I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

[pizzafliptofakie]

I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

I didn't say a 1-10 scale was subjective. I said skate shoe reviews are. It sounds like you really need this kind of stuff dumbed down for you, which is fine because that kind of content is available in so many other outlets that review shoes.

[JugeL]

To me, these reviews read like episode of Nine club. Every even slightly negative thing has to be backed up with positive comment right after. That's why i orginally said that they seem like sponsored reviews. Just not my preference but i get what you are saying that they are not shit talking blog.

[pizzafliptofakie]

To me, these reviews read like episode of Nine club. Every even slightly negative thing has to be backed up with positive comment right after. That's why i orginally said that they seem like sponsored reviews. Just not my preference but i get what you are saying that they are not shit talking blog.

Fair. The tone is more positive than not, but I always read these reviews as trying to be a bit more nuanced about the shoe than a yes or no review. Even in this Ishod article there are things they give information that I haven't heard anywhere else, which I find more useful than the other run of the mill marketing campaigns.

[Jonny7.5Alive]

Cue "reading comprehension" comment

[LebowskisRug]

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I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

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Since you love reading comprehension as a response let me remind you of the point I made about qualitative data about perceptions and feelings being made measurable for things that are much more vague than skate shoes.

I didn't say a 1-10 scale was subjective. I said skate shoe reviews are. It sounds like you really need this kind of stuff dumbed down for you, which is fine because that kind of content is available in so many other outlets that review shoes.

You said it wouldn't work because shoe reviews are subjective, but so are ordinal scales when used for qualitative analysis. It's not dumbing down anything, having a universal scale of assessment and better formatting makes things less dumb than a brain dump that leaves people questioning what they've just read. Again, see my example of LRAB vs. Ishod stability, which makes them sound like they have no real criteria.

Your passive aggressive comprehension responses are a clever way to not admit that you can't refute a point. It is quite easy for them to format the content they already have to provide better reviews and make their conclusions more actionable.

[pizzafliptofakie]

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I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

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Since you love reading comprehension as a response let me remind you of the point I made about qualitative data about perceptions and feelings being made measurable for things that are much more vague than skate shoes.

I didn't say a 1-10 scale was subjective. I said skate shoe reviews are. It sounds like you really need this kind of stuff dumbed down for you, which is fine because that kind of content is available in so many other outlets that review shoes.

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You said it wouldn't work because shoe reviews are subjective, but so are ordinal scales when used for qualitative analysis. It's not dumbing down anything, having a universal scale of assessment and better formatting makes things less dumb than a brain dump that leaves people questioning what they've just read. Again, see my example of LRAB vs. Ishod stability, which makes them sound like they have no real criteria.

Your passive aggressive comprehension responses are a clever way to not admit that you can't refute a point. It is quite easy for them to format the content they already have to provide better reviews and make their conclusions more actionable.

If you're leaving a shoe review with a slew of questions, you probably have bigger problems to worry about than how a website chooses to format its blog.

[tzhangdox]

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I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

[close]

Since you love reading comprehension as a response let me remind you of the point I made about qualitative data about perceptions and feelings being made measurable for things that are much more vague than skate shoes.

I didn't say a 1-10 scale was subjective. I said skate shoe reviews are. It sounds like you really need this kind of stuff dumbed down for you, which is fine because that kind of content is available in so many other outlets that review shoes.

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You said it wouldn't work because shoe reviews are subjective, but so are ordinal scales when used for qualitative analysis. It's not dumbing down anything, having a universal scale of assessment and better formatting makes things less dumb than a brain dump that leaves people questioning what they've just read. Again, see my example of LRAB vs. Ishod stability, which makes them sound like they have no real criteria.

Your passive aggressive comprehension responses are a clever way to not admit that you can't refute a point. It is quite easy for them to format the content they already have to provide better reviews and make their conclusions more actionable.

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If you're leaving a shoe review with a slew of questions, you probably have bigger problems to worry about than how a website chooses to format its blog.

Orrrr..... maybe there are some legitimate criticisms of how these reviews are written and how they could be a bit clearer

[LebowskisRug]

That means the site didn't do it's job. Such is the point of analytic writing- you should leave the rider with clear decision criterion. It's one of the first things you would learn in like 6th grade when you start writing basic 5 paragraph essays that establish a hypothesis or argument and then summarize it's results.

I'll directly say it, these reviews are just lazy. The reviewers have the info there and conduct thorough reviews, but their formatting sucks. I'm not the only one in just this thread that feels that way. In any analysis it isn't your job to help those who can easily make a decision to a decision, it's to make the people who are unsure of a winner clear on what the evidence suggests and what their takeaway should be. At this point in the public school curriculum comparison we are somewhere in High School English.

I've written dozens of reviews for publications both inside and outside of academia at all levels of complexity. Why should skateboarding shoe reviews have a lower basic standard than say running shoes, which are far more subjective? Reviewers manage to provide easy detailed summaries and comparison as a public service for getting tons of free shit.

[pizzafliptofakie]

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I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

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Since you love reading comprehension as a response let me remind you of the point I made about qualitative data about perceptions and feelings being made measurable for things that are much more vague than skate shoes.

I didn't say a 1-10 scale was subjective. I said skate shoe reviews are. It sounds like you really need this kind of stuff dumbed down for you, which is fine because that kind of content is available in so many other outlets that review shoes.

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You said it wouldn't work because shoe reviews are subjective, but so are ordinal scales when used for qualitative analysis. It's not dumbing down anything, having a universal scale of assessment and better formatting makes things less dumb than a brain dump that leaves people questioning what they've just read. Again, see my example of LRAB vs. Ishod stability, which makes them sound like they have no real criteria.

Your passive aggressive comprehension responses are a clever way to not admit that you can't refute a point. It is quite easy for them to format the content they already have to provide better reviews and make their conclusions more actionable.

[close]

If you're leaving a shoe review with a slew of questions, you probably have bigger problems to worry about than how a website chooses to format its blog.

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Orrrr..... maybe there are some legitimate criticisms of how these reviews are written and how they could be a bit clearer

Accusing every article of having the same information when they literally do not is not legitimate criticism. If you're struggling to comprehend content about shoes, then I'm sorry, but you're probably not a very bright person.

[tzhangdox]

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I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

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Since you love reading comprehension as a response let me remind you of the point I made about qualitative data about perceptions and feelings being made measurable for things that are much more vague than skate shoes.

I didn't say a 1-10 scale was subjective. I said skate shoe reviews are. It sounds like you really need this kind of stuff dumbed down for you, which is fine because that kind of content is available in so many other outlets that review shoes.

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You said it wouldn't work because shoe reviews are subjective, but so are ordinal scales when used for qualitative analysis. It's not dumbing down anything, having a universal scale of assessment and better formatting makes things less dumb than a brain dump that leaves people questioning what they've just read. Again, see my example of LRAB vs. Ishod stability, which makes them sound like they have no real criteria.

Your passive aggressive comprehension responses are a clever way to not admit that you can't refute a point. It is quite easy for them to format the content they already have to provide better reviews and make their conclusions more actionable.

[close]

If you're leaving a shoe review with a slew of questions, you probably have bigger problems to worry about than how a website chooses to format its blog.

[close]

Orrrr..... maybe there are some legitimate criticisms of how these reviews are written and how they could be a bit clearer

[close]

Accusing every article of having the same information when they literally do not is not legitimate criticism. If you're struggling to comprehend content about shoes, then I'm sorry, but you're probably not a very bright person.

An example of a legitimate criticism has already been pointed out above but you're choosing to ignore it and just call people dumb on the internet instead... niceee

[pizzafliptofakie]

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I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

[close]

Since you love reading comprehension as a response let me remind you of the point I made about qualitative data about perceptions and feelings being made measurable for things that are much more vague than skate shoes.

I didn't say a 1-10 scale was subjective. I said skate shoe reviews are. It sounds like you really need this kind of stuff dumbed down for you, which is fine because that kind of content is available in so many other outlets that review shoes.

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You said it wouldn't work because shoe reviews are subjective, but so are ordinal scales when used for qualitative analysis. It's not dumbing down anything, having a universal scale of assessment and better formatting makes things less dumb than a brain dump that leaves people questioning what they've just read. Again, see my example of LRAB vs. Ishod stability, which makes them sound like they have no real criteria.

Your passive aggressive comprehension responses are a clever way to not admit that you can't refute a point. It is quite easy for them to format the content they already have to provide better reviews and make their conclusions more actionable.

[close]

If you're leaving a shoe review with a slew of questions, you probably have bigger problems to worry about than how a website chooses to format its blog.

[close]

Orrrr..... maybe there are some legitimate criticisms of how these reviews are written and how they could be a bit clearer

[close]

Accusing every article of having the same information when they literally do not is not legitimate criticism. If you're struggling to comprehend content about shoes, then I'm sorry, but you're probably not a very bright person.

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An example of a legitimate criticism has already been pointed out above but you're choosing to ignore it and just call people dumb on the internet instead... niceee

Where? The guy saying they didn't do their job because a blog about shoes confused him?



That's also not a legitimate criticism.

[tzhangdox]

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I did, I just don't agree with you and think you're wrong. An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport. They could include a pros and cons matrix as well. The site seems really low effort, which muddles its purpose.

The Rowan boardfeel makes no sense since it has the exact same sole as insole as other shoes that they gave positive reviews.

[close]

Since you love reading comprehension as a response let me remind you of the point I made about qualitative data about perceptions and feelings being made measurable for things that are much more vague than skate shoes.

I didn't say a 1-10 scale was subjective. I said skate shoe reviews are. It sounds like you really need this kind of stuff dumbed down for you, which is fine because that kind of content is available in so many other outlets that review shoes.

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You said it wouldn't work because shoe reviews are subjective, but so are ordinal scales when used for qualitative analysis. It's not dumbing down anything, having a universal scale of assessment and better formatting makes things less dumb than a brain dump that leaves people questioning what they've just read. Again, see my example of LRAB vs. Ishod stability, which makes them sound like they have no real criteria.

Your passive aggressive comprehension responses are a clever way to not admit that you can't refute a point. It is quite easy for them to format the content they already have to provide better reviews and make their conclusions more actionable.

[close]

If you're leaving a shoe review with a slew of questions, you probably have bigger problems to worry about than how a website chooses to format its blog.

[close]

Orrrr..... maybe there are some legitimate criticisms of how these reviews are written and how they could be a bit clearer

[close]

Accusing every article of having the same information when they literally do not is not legitimate criticism. If you're struggling to comprehend content about shoes, then I'm sorry, but you're probably not a very bright person.

[close]

An example of a legitimate criticism has already been pointed out above but you're choosing to ignore it and just call people dumb on the internet instead... niceee

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Where? The guy saying they didn't do their job because a blog about shoes confused him?

That's also not a legitimate criticism.

No, he didn't say they didn't do their job but that

"An ordinal scale would help review skate shoes as it helps provide a uniform assessment for reviews of all products. It's used in shoes for almost every other sport."

"having a universal scale of assessment and better formatting makes things less dumb than a brain dump that leaves people questioning what they've just read. Again, see my example of LRAB vs. Ishod stability, which makes them sound like they have no real criteria."

You don't have to agree with this criticism, but to say that its not legitimate is being dense on purpose

And for the record, I do like these reviews overall despite my experiences with many of these shoes being wildly different to the reviewers', probably at least partially due to the fact that it seems like they try wrap everything in a largely positive spin even when there are major cons to something.