Powell dragon formula tested by nine club.

[JugeL]

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I bet he got paid a ton of money for this. At least 50k is guess, maybe more.

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I understand this was deleted so maybe this is unfair, but it's hilarious to suggest that someone like Ben whose typically videos get like ~30-50k views would be getting a $50,000 check from George Powell to review some wheels.

I heard he got like two bitcoins for the review

[Ride it to dust]

Its difficult not to look into these wheels too much. I have some of the OJ Nomads (95a), I thought they were gonna shit miracles on the crusty uk ground i skate at a couple curb spots. On paper they seemed like the perfect duro but they felt hard and a bit slow. Still enjoy the Bones 100’s over them. Marketing can be a hell of a drug

[GnarAlarm]

ITT - People desperate to not like a Powell product.

[Ride it to dust]

Agree that there are some who know what they like, but i’d quite happily give them a go if they were easily available in England. Softer wheels are a nice addition as ground sucks here mostly.  Haven’t rode Spitfire since 2001

[LebowskisRug]

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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.

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Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.

I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.

You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo.  You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.

But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer.  That’s a bonus.

So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.

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Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.

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I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.

FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.

You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.

 Please ‘chill the fuck out’.

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Dude lmao it’s not us claiming that we expected it to slide n grind like a 99 or 101. Powell literacy states that in their own advertising and many of us found that to not be the case in many situations.

Nobody is denying that these are a really good for a 93a but we’re literally just disputing Powell own claims that they act like a 99 or 101 for slides grinds n shit

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Fair point that yes, Powell does market them like that. And from what everyone here has said, including the YouTube reviews, it’s split on if they really slide as well as Powell claims.

I haven’t tried them, and I believe the people (like you) that say they don’t grind as well in some surfaces.

But telling people who are riding them, and posting videos of them riding the wheels saying that they grind fine are wrong, or looking for excuses to bolster your argument is a bit overboard.

It comes off like you are taking it too personally.  It’s weird. You don’t need to be so weird.

It's not split, if you simply look at reviews by people not affiliated with Powell that have done grinds on various terrain it's pretty much accepted that they don't grind and slide as well in some scenarios and now Ben has extensively proven Powell's marketing to be inaccurate.

[tzhangdox]

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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.

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Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.

I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.

You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo.  You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.

But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer.  That’s a bonus.

So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.

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Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.

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I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.

FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.

You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.

 Please ‘chill the fuck out’.

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Dude lmao it’s not us claiming that we expected it to slide n grind like a 99 or 101. Powell literacy states that in their own advertising and many of us found that to not be the case in many situations.

Nobody is denying that these are a really good for a 93a but we’re literally just disputing Powell own claims that they act like a 99 or 101 for slides grinds n shit

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Fair point that yes, Powell does market them like that. And from what everyone here has said, including the YouTube reviews, it’s split on if they really slide as well as Powell claims.

I haven’t tried them, and I believe the people (like you) that say they don’t grind as well in some surfaces.

But telling people who are riding them, and posting videos of them riding the wheels saying that they grind fine are wrong, or looking for excuses to bolster your argument is a bit overboard.

It comes off like you are taking it too personally.  It’s weird. You don’t need to be so weird.

? lmao

[Goodcurbs]

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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.

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Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.

I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.

You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo.  You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.

But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer.  That’s a bonus.

So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.

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Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.

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I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.

FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.

You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.

 Please ‘chill the fuck out’.

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Dude lmao it’s not us claiming that we expected it to slide n grind like a 99 or 101. Powell literacy states that in their own advertising and many of us found that to not be the case in many situations.

Nobody is denying that these are a really good for a 93a but we’re literally just disputing Powell own claims that they act like a 99 or 101 for slides grinds n shit

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Fair point that yes, Powell does market them like that. And from what everyone here has said, including the YouTube reviews, it’s split on if they really slide as well as Powell claims.

I haven’t tried them, and I believe the people (like you) that say they don’t grind as well in some surfaces.

But telling people who are riding them, and posting videos of them riding the wheels saying that they grind fine are wrong, or looking for excuses to bolster your argument is a bit overboard.

It comes off like you are taking it too personally.  It’s weird. You don’t need to be so weird.

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It's not split, if you simply look at reviews by people not affiliated with Powell that have done grinds on various terrain it's pretty much accepted that they don't grind and slide as well in some scenarios and now Ben has extensively proven Powell's marketing to be inaccurate.

Except they slide way better than f4s under the right circumstances. If the curbs waxed it goes and you have more control over the grind it doesn't slip out as bad. Manual are easier to maintain. Everything about these wheels are sick. If Powell's marketing is wrong, why do I think they slide so good. Theyre soft wheels. Soft wheels are not supposed to slide. These wheels live up to the hype. I thought they would be sticky. They're not.

[Goodcurbs]

A little bit of tri flow on your wheels could prevent the brake noise on the round bar, but that sound is pretty sick. To hit a rail and make that horn sound would be dope

[yep yep]

sml. has been making something like the dragon formula for awhile, I'm super in Mike Arnold so remembered he was riding them.

I've tried a couple sets the sml 92a (I think they're called the Succulents) and they're pretty sick. If anyone want's the same kinda vibe but doesn't want bones maybe try the sml's?

[fakie nollie]

Skated these at my local and cringed when I slid. The sound they make is horrible. Sticking with my F4’s

[therealnod]

Man, one day I'm going to introduce revolutionary new tech that everybody either loves or hates. Or thinks is okay. I'm going to corner the marketplace of opinion.

[Chavo]

At some point, 90% of all decks sold used a game-changing new slick bottom technology.

[Goodcurbs]

Man, one day I'm going to introduce revolutionary new tech that everybody either loves or hates. Or thinks is okay. I'm going to corner the marketplace of opinion.

You probably don't even have a lab jacket

[therealnod]

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Man, one day I'm going to introduce revolutionary new tech that everybody either loves or hates. Or thinks is okay. I'm going to corner the marketplace of opinion.

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You probably don't even have a lab jacket

I have denim overalls. That's way better. Lab jackets are cheap.

[Goodcurbs]

Overalls are not a jacket. You can get chemical burns on your arms if you're not wearing a jacket, and I bet you don't have safety goggles either. Nobody ever designed anything wearing denim. You've got to be kidding! Maybe you meant duck canvas. Either way you need a lab jacket. It makes you look professional, and that's important, or nobody is going to take you seriously about cornering the marketplace of opinion.

[worked]

Dragons are amazing. They slide great! This is going to be the new standard if people can live with the sound. The sound is the only drawback.

[djoekr]

The sound they make during feebles on a rail in the Ben Degros video was so horrible. I'm not switching my F4s for these screeching demons.

[therealnod]

Overalls are not a jacket. You can get chemical burns on your arms if you're not wearing a jacket, and I bet you don't have safety goggles either. Nobody ever designed anything wearing denim. You've got to be kidding! Maybe you meant duck canvas. Either way you need a lab jacket. It makes you look professional, and that's important, or nobody is going to take you seriously about cornering the marketplace of opinion.

I'm already a third of the way there. I've got "hates it" just based on clothing and I haven't even gotten started. This is gonna be easy.

[corto]

Powell gives health insurance to its riders. That's some real shit so no reason to bag on the company even if it isn't the coolest.

[Mean salto]

Powell gives health insurance to its riders. That's some real shit so no reason to bag on the company even if it isn't the coolest.

I'm guessing dental isn't covered

[Goodcurbs]

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Powell gives health insurance to its riders. That's some real shit so no reason to bag on the company even if it isn't the coolest.

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I'm guessing dental isn't covered

They were until Dan Corrigan got on.

[LebowskisRug]

Their marketing is working if there is a 9 page thread, probably twice as many pages in the wheel thread, and an additional thread in Shoes & Gear. Even if the feedback isn't 100% positive there probably hasn't been as much enthusiasm since Lurpivs.

[Abyss1]

Their marketing is working if there is a 9 page thread, probably twice as many pages in the wheel thread, and an additional thread in Shoes & Gear. Even if the feedback isn't 100% positive there probably hasn't been as much enthusiasm since Lurpivs.

I think it was mainly Roj and that nine club affiliation video that got them over hyped…probably was un-intended SLAP wind up

[justpassingthrough]

I randomly tried Orbs and that's all I've been on for a bit.  They are a little softer 99a I think but slide and will not flat spot. 

[Frank and Fred]

To hit a rail and make that horn sound would be dope

[roastbeef]

The sound they make during feebles on a rail in the Ben Degros video was so horrible. I'm not switching my F4s for these screeching demons.

No one watching you thinks your screeches on spitfires are cool.

[rawbertson.]

why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now

[djoekr]

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The sound they make during feebles on a rail in the Ben Degros video was so horrible. I'm not switching my F4s for these screeching demons.

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No one watching you thinks your screeches on spitfires are cool.

That's fine. I won't hear their complaints over my Bluetooth speaker that's blasting 24/7 anyways.

[igrindtwinkies]

why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now

My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again.  I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.

[doublesteveburger]

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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now

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My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again.  I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.

honestly it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the bones are their money