vans used to be ass for the longest time, it was one of my first skate shoes and they blew out hella fast on the sides so i never got them again. i had a pair of grey skate ones that were actually indestrectuble shortly before the rowley xl era. i thought those shoes were cheap.
they are pretty good now actually.
i still see a lot of people who have blown out sides super fast though but the soles seem to be very good
i dont like how everyone who wears them is so damn diehard about it, its just a pair of shoes they arent THAT good
the huge benefit for vans is every mark tom and travis in your neighbourhood wears them so you find them at the goodwill/thrift store all the time. i got a pair of Chimas for $8 never once skated and hardly even that worn. also someone was giving away old skools never skated, gobbled those up too. fuck buying them new. might as well recycle these pedestrians shit before it hits the landfills.
if i am buying them new, i will stick with NB# i think its the perfect shoe for me
i even got a pair of those at goodwill too though