UFO/UAP disclosure

[Newphone]

I know some of y’all gotta be following all these goings on.  There was a new hearing about findings today and they’re showing new metal orb videos. 

Just a thread for general thoughts, theories & musings on the subject.

[rawr1922]

I Want To Believe

[4LOM]

Looked like swamp gas to me

[Newphone]

I Want To Believe

Not really a question of belief at this point, just what they are/ where they are from.

[Perforated Opinions]

dead ass I have seen crop circles at hilly beach park. i walked up to one of the peaks where there was a big concrete compass and from there all the smaller hills had crop circles in the grass, and there was a lot of UFO sighting in the news that  year.

[McDuff]

dead ass I have seen crop circles at hilly beach park. i walked up to one of the peaks where there was a big concrete compass and from there all the smaller hills had crop circles in the grass, and there was a lot of UFO sighting in the news that  year.

I believe him yo... I don't know why... but I do.

[Kook Me Amadeus]

Some interesting stuff in this whistleblower event from June… linking to the middle of this Herrera fellow’s testimony.  Not sure what to believe exactly but his story and others in this event in general are pretty compelling.

[TheLurper]

Sorry, but no.

There is no way our isolated planet that exists in middle of nowhere relatively early into our universe's history has been visited by anything but lifeless asteroids of death. If there were radio signals or something that had been found near by I'd entertain the idea that we could be visited and then killed off one day, but there hasn't. We might not be alone in the entire universe and certainly won't be the only form of life as our universe ages, but if there is any "life" anywhere near us, it is probably some cluster of microbes floating near a thermal vent on some cold ass planet with water not a hyper intelligent species doing airshows for a bunch of 22 year old navy pilots over isolated areas of our oceans .

[Kook Me Amadeus]

I hear you for sure, but this hearing’s prevailing theory/belief is the recent sightings - gimble, tic-tac etc - are manmade UAP - and that mankind has had anti-gravity capabilities since the mid-50’s… many sightings are, they say, stagecraft made to imitate/emulate UFO - derived from crashed, interdimensional UFO… but we still haven’t unlocked many of the actual “alien” interstellar technologies.

[bartlaser]

Oh, they've been cumming here for ages.

[L33Tg33k]

Oh, they've been cumming here for ages.

Panspermia

[skippersoldballs]

Hell yeah Kurzgesagt just dropped a new vid bout some theoretical panspermia possibilities
http://youtu.be/JOiGEI9pQBs?si=-JpdZ5qCXUFEoj41

[OldieButFrenchie]

Sorry, but no.

There is no way our isolated planet that exists in middle of nowhere relatively early into our universe's history has been visited by anything but lifeless asteroids of death. If there were radio signals or something that had been found near by I'd entertain the idea that we could be visited and then killed off one day, but there hasn't. We might not be alone in the entire universe and certainly won't be the only form of life as our universe ages, but if there is any "life" anywhere near us, it is probably some cluster of microbes floating near a thermal vent on some cold ass planet with water not a hyper intelligent species doing airshows for a bunch of 22 year old navy pilots over isolated areas of our oceans .

what?? we are not "early" at all. Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe is more than 13 billion years old. Aliens would have had ample time to develop a civilization somewhere.

Also if you take for instance the Nimitz incident, the sightings are confirmed by radar/infrared/visual. and I don't see what the pilots would have to gain by lying? their interviews are pretty nuts.
Now I'm not saying aliens have visited us with 100% certainty but to dismiss it totally like that seems peremptory (ooof had to check my bilingual dictionary for that one)

But I admit I'm pretty deep into this shit. Probably read way too much SF in my youth.....

[E]

http://youtu.be/alUoE6tJP1w?si=_G_6r10nY0oqyIOS

[HeavyAndExpensive]

dead ass I have seen crop circles at hilly beach park. i walked up to one of the peaks where there was a big concrete compass and from there all the smaller hills had crop circles in the grass, and there was a lot of UFO sighting in the news that  year.

They flew light years through the void of space to get here, because everyone in the universe knows Earth has the best terrain for creating sick ass tribals

[Chavo]

Sorry, but no.

There is no way our isolated planet that exists in middle of nowhere relatively early into our universe's history has been visited by anything but lifeless asteroids of death. If there were radio signals or something that had been found near by I'd entertain the idea that we could be visited and then killed off one day, but there hasn't. We might not be alone in the entire universe and certainly won't be the only form of life as our universe ages, but if there is any "life" anywhere near us, it is probably some cluster of microbes floating near a thermal vent on some cold ass planet with water not a hyper intelligent species doing airshows for a bunch of 22 year old navy pilots over isolated areas of our oceans .

I feel badly for the aliens who travel for millennia in stasis, dodging debris and asteroids, avoiding radiation, just to crash near a trailer park in Phoenix and get scooped up by a conveniently close military base.

[TheLurper]

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Sorry, but no.

There is no way our isolated planet that exists in middle of nowhere relatively early into our universe's history has been visited by anything but lifeless asteroids of death. If there were radio signals or something that had been found near by I'd entertain the idea that we could be visited and then killed off one day, but there hasn't. We might not be alone in the entire universe and certainly won't be the only form of life as our universe ages, but if there is any "life" anywhere near us, it is probably some cluster of microbes floating near a thermal vent on some cold ass planet with water not a hyper intelligent species doing airshows for a bunch of 22 year old navy pilots over isolated areas of our oceans .

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what?? we are not "early" at all. Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe is more than 13 billion years old. Aliens would have had ample time to develop a civilization somewhere.

Also if you take for instance the Nimitz incident, the sightings are confirmed by radar/infrared/visual. and I don't see what the pilots would have to gain by lying? their interviews are pretty nuts.
Now I'm not saying aliens have visited us with 100% certainty but to dismiss it totally like that seems peremptory (ooof had to check my bilingual dictionary for that one)

But I admit I'm pretty deep into this shit. Probably read way too much SF in my youth.....

No one said they are lying, but completely misinterpreting the data in front of them. Both videos that I posted clearly debunk the gilmble nonsense as well as others. It isn't like the navy pilots are sitting on tons of education and are well versed in cinematography.

And, the easiest way to triangulate the data to reaffirm that no aliens have been here is that we have detected no other sign of life, no radio signals, no anything. If they were coming over here to anal probe American hillbillies they would also be sending that data back to their home planet or the home planet would be requesting information about how anal probes are going.

And as far as us being early in the universe 24:20:

[OldieButFrenchie]

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Sorry, but no.

There is no way our isolated planet that exists in middle of nowhere relatively early into our universe's history has been visited by anything but lifeless asteroids of death. If there were radio signals or something that had been found near by I'd entertain the idea that we could be visited and then killed off one day, but there hasn't. We might not be alone in the entire universe and certainly won't be the only form of life as our universe ages, but if there is any "life" anywhere near us, it is probably some cluster of microbes floating near a thermal vent on some cold ass planet with water not a hyper intelligent species doing airshows for a bunch of 22 year old navy pilots over isolated areas of our oceans .

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what?? we are not "early" at all. Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe is more than 13 billion years old. Aliens would have had ample time to develop a civilization somewhere.

Also if you take for instance the Nimitz incident, the sightings are confirmed by radar/infrared/visual. and I don't see what the pilots would have to gain by lying? their interviews are pretty nuts.
Now I'm not saying aliens have visited us with 100% certainty but to dismiss it totally like that seems peremptory (ooof had to check my bilingual dictionary for that one)

But I admit I'm pretty deep into this shit. Probably read way too much SF in my youth.....

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No one said they are lying, but completely misinterpreting the data in front of them. Both videos that I posted clearly debunk the gilmble nonsense as well as others. It isn't like the navy pilots are sitting on tons of education and are well versed in cinematography.

And, the easiest way to triangulate the data to reaffirm that no aliens have been here is that we have detected no other sign of life, no radio signals, no anything. If they were coming over here to anal probe American hillbillies they would also be sending that data back to their home planet or the home planet would be requesting information about how anal probes are going.

And as far as us being early in the universe 24:20:

Navy pilots saw the ships with their own eyes. It's not "data". Or "cinematography". They were meters away. Your answer clearly tells me you know much less about this than you think you do.

Also that video about the future of the universe is pure speculation. We have no idea what will happen and how long it will last. So again: Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe is more than 13 billion years old. Those are agreed scientific facts. and no, we are not early. 

I love being kooked for having a different opinion on a skate forum hahaha

edit: not going to watch a 20 minute "debunking" video when its whole argument falls flat on its face when you take into account the radar data. A glare would not be picked up by radar. And of course, the army/pentagon/whatever could be making fraudulent videos, it's always a possibility, but again: what is the point then? after denying all this for 70 years?

[Sativa Lung]

It isn't like the navy pilots are sitting on tons of education and are well versed in cinematography.

I'm sure you're basing your expertise here in having seen top gun once but you couldn't be further from the truth. Being a navy pilot not only demands an exceptional level of education, they only take the absolute best of those exceptionally well educated folks and they hold them to exceptionally high standards. Military pilots are some of the absolute sharpest folks you will ever meet by design. They are not the good looking dudes playing homoerotic volleyball from fiction you're picturing, they're the guys from highschool who got a 4.5 gpa and spent their spare time putting together models. They're not taking Jerry who has a few Cessna solos at the local airstrip and giving them the keys to billion dollar machines...  these dudes eat, sleep, and breathe aviation. And even though I'm an AF guy, Im totally comfortable saying that the best pilots in the military are naval pilots. I'm not sure why you're bringing up cinematography when these were real world encounters, not some dudes watching a video and drawing a conclusion based on it (like you are).

Also one of the pilots actually locked up one of the UAPs during one these encounters. There's video of it, it was actually extremely impressive given how fast the craft was moving. You can't get a heat signature for the WS to lock on to from CGI.

If you want a good, reasonable take on it all from a couple sharp as a tack naval pilots check out Ward Carroll's video.

https://youtu.be/Kntt3DGaE4g?feature=shared

I'm more inclined to agree with the "advanced military tech" conclusion than anything just based on historical precedent. The public is typically about 15-20 years behind the bleeding edge of aviation. The Oxcarts were flying mach 3 in the 60s when everyone said it was impossible. Have blue had all but nullified radar in the 70s and despite the fact it was basically a production tech demonstrator modern radar still struggles with the 117 (not as much as the pilots and maintainers though, hence why they mothballed it). China is just now figuring out how to build a b-2 clone...and so on and so forth. I wouldn't be shocked if we had something that bordered on sci-fi by modern standards.

[manysnakes]

if there is any "life" anywhere near us, it is probably some cluster of microbes floating near a thermal vent on some cold ass planet with water not a hyper intelligent species doing airshows for a bunch of 22 year old navy pilots over isolated areas of our oceans .

This is where I land. Life is probably common throughout the universe, while intelligent life is exceedingly rare.

[manysnakes]

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Sorry, but no.

There is no way our isolated planet that exists in middle of nowhere relatively early into our universe's history has been visited by anything but lifeless asteroids of death. If there were radio signals or something that had been found near by I'd entertain the idea that we could be visited and then killed off one day, but there hasn't. We might not be alone in the entire universe and certainly won't be the only form of life as our universe ages, but if there is any "life" anywhere near us, it is probably some cluster of microbes floating near a thermal vent on some cold ass planet with water not a hyper intelligent species doing airshows for a bunch of 22 year old navy pilots over isolated areas of our oceans .

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what?? we are not "early" at all. Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe is more than 13 billion years old. Aliens would have had ample time to develop a civilization somewhere.

Also if you take for instance the Nimitz incident, the sightings are confirmed by radar/infrared/visual. and I don't see what the pilots would have to gain by lying? their interviews are pretty nuts.
Now I'm not saying aliens have visited us with 100% certainty but to dismiss it totally like that seems peremptory (ooof had to check my bilingual dictionary for that one)

But I admit I'm pretty deep into this shit. Probably read way too much SF in my youth.....

[close]

No one said they are lying, but completely misinterpreting the data in front of them. Both videos that I posted clearly debunk the gilmble nonsense as well as others. It isn't like the navy pilots are sitting on tons of education and are well versed in cinematography.

And, the easiest way to triangulate the data to reaffirm that no aliens have been here is that we have detected no other sign of life, no radio signals, no anything. If they were coming over here to anal probe American hillbillies they would also be sending that data back to their home planet or the home planet would be requesting information about how anal probes are going.

And as far as us being early in the universe 24:20:

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Navy pilots saw the ships with their own eyes. It's not "data". Or "cinematography". They were meters away. Your answer clearly tells me you know much less about this than you think you do.

There are no bigger bullshitters on earth than military men.

[OldieButFrenchie]

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It isn't like the navy pilots are sitting on tons of education and are well versed in cinematography.

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I'm sure you're basing your expertise here in having seen top gun once but you couldn't be further from the truth. Being a navy pilot not only demands an exceptional level of education, they only take the absolute best of those exceptionally well educated folks and they hold them to exceptionally high standards. Military pilots are some of the absolute sharpest folks you will ever meet by design. They are not the good looking dudes playing homoerotic volleyball from fiction you're picturing, they're the guys from highschool who got a 4.5 gpa and spent their spare time putting together models. They're not taking Jerry who has a few Cessna solos at the local airstrip and giving them the keys to billion dollar machines...  these dudes eat, sleep, and breathe aviation. And even though I'm an AF guy, Im totally comfortable saying that the best pilots in the military are naval pilots. I'm not sure why you're bringing up cinematography when these were real world encounters, not some dudes watching a video and drawing a conclusion based on it (like you are).

Also one of the pilots actually locked up one of the UAPs during one these encounters. There's video of it, it was actually extremely impressive given how fast the craft was moving. You can't get a heat signature for the WS to lock on to from CGI.

If you want a good, reasonable take on it all from a couple sharp as a tack naval pilots check out Ward Carroll's video.

https://youtu.be/Kntt3DGaE4g?feature=shared

I'm more inclined to agree with the "advanced military tech" conclusion than anything just based on historical precedent. The public is typically about 15-20 years behind the bleeding edge of aviation. The Oxcarts were flying mach 3 in the 60s when everyone said it was impossible. Have blue had all but nullified radar in the 70s and despite the fact it was basically a production tech demonstrator modern radar still struggles with the 117 (not as much as the pilots and maintainers though, hence why they mothballed it). China is just now figuring out how to build a b-2 clone...and so on and so forth. I wouldn't be shocked if we had something that bordered on sci-fi by modern standards.

Interesting post!
But again, if we take the Nimitz incident, that was in 2004, so almost 20 years ago. Long enough for the "technology gap" to disappear. And I have a hard time imagining the Chinese or whoever building a craft with no exhaust and no wings that can outperform the best Americain military jets. Not saying it's impossible but seems unlikely.
The Nimitz incident took around 15 years to be made public. When this whole thing unfolded, I started talking about it to friends  (excitedely I admit, as an SF nerd  ) and it's funny how 90% of people go "oh so you believe in little green men!" The subject was barely covered in French speaking media, when it is potentially just as big a story as climate change IMO. For those who are not familiar, this is the 2004 incident that I am talking
about. The pilots actually say they were made fun of by everyone aboard the airplane carrier and the whole thing was not really taken seriously. When an event goes way beyond our world view, our minds tend to dismiss it....it becomes too big to grasp.

[Sativa Lung]

Interesting post!
But again, if we take the Nimitz incident, that was in 2004, so almost 20 years ago. Long enough for the "technology gap" to disappear. And I have a hard time imagining the Chinese or whoever building a craft with no exhaust and no wings that can outperform the best Americain military jets. Not saying it's impossible but seems unlikely.
The Nimitz incident took around 15 years to be made public. When this whole thing unfolded, I started talking about it to friends  (excitedely I admit, as an SF nerd  ) and it's funny how 90% of people go "oh so you believe in little green men!" The subject was barely covered in French speaking media, when it is potentially just as big a story as climate change IMO. For those who are not familiar, this is the 2004 incident that I am talking
about. The pilots actually say they were made fun of by everyone aboard the airplane carrier and the whole thing was not really taken seriously. When an event goes way beyond our world view, our minds tend to dismiss it....it becomes too big to grasp.

I think you're misinterpreting some of what I wrote...the Chinese haven't built a better anything yet, they're just now attempting to build a reverse engineered b-2 which we've publicly been flying for almost my entire lifetime, and I'm not young. This would hypothetically be advanced US tech, and then testing it on themselves. That's why it's a bit suspect that so many of these incidents seem to happen with US military aircraft over US controlled airspace, sometimes over test ranges even.

With things like radar and heat signatures and really just bleeding edge aviation tech in general theres only so much info you can get from simulations...angles and conditions change constantly and can have a massive impact on the performance of these systems so there's really no substitute for real world testing to get an idea of how it'll stack up. Also, and you're just going to have to trust me bro™ on this one, If there's one thing that the military loves more than PowerPoint and borderline homoerotic hazing rituals it's play fighting with itself for training purposes. There's a reason that in modern times the US military has lost more men to training accidents than to combat, though I suppose that could be interpreted as proof of its efficacy.

Anyways, I thought it was notable that they were able to lock up the one in the video, I believe in other cases they've been unable to get enough of a signature for any sort of lock which is interesting given that a lot of times these craft are moving at speeds that should produce a massive amount of heat just from air resistance. For a frame of reference there, the biggest obstacle in the Oxcart program was cooling...they solved it by pumping the fuel under the aircrafts "skin" and turning it into a giant liquid cooled heatsink. It still got hot enough that the pilots had to wear an air conditioned suit and would heat up their lunch by pressing it against the window.

But again, if I had told you in the early 60s that there was something in the sky that looks like this



(Mounted in an inverted position at area 51 for radar testing, but I think it looks so cool without the RAM paint)

and flies faster than a bullet fired from a 30-06, you'd say it had to be from another planet. It still holds every unclassified speed record and it's 60 years old. That's the reason I lean towards black helicopters more than little green men - there's a precedent for it.

Btw if you want the ultimate first hand account of these programs I highly suggest you read the book Skunk Works by Ben Rich. He's the guy that took over from the legendary Kelly Johnson and developed the f-117. There's nothing about UFOs, but it will give you a really good feel for how these projects operate and it's just super fucking interesting.

[HeavyAndExpensive]

Area 51 most likely had the most cutting edge military technology/weapons on the planet and/or new chemical and biological weapons that are probably illegal under international law. Probably new green men.

[Kook Me Amadeus]

I don’t claim to be an expert on this subject by any means, just have been reading and watching more lately since the Congressional hearings in the US.  I’m also enjoying this discussion.

I’m very wary of “disinformation” from the government, so it’s difficult to take any unredacted statements by anyone in that field completely at face value.  But if I was going to believe anyone (and if anyone really would know the truth) it might be them.

One book I’ve enjoyed recently is Jacques Valleé’s Passport to Magonia from the late 60’s - it’s a very clearheaded look at a multitude of UFO and other strange paranormal experiences in history and more contemporarily as well.  Valle worked with Project Blue Book and was the inspiration for Truffaut’s character in Close Encounters.  I do think there is very good reason to believe interstellar or interdimensional beings of non human origin have visited us.  Maybe it’s us in the future.  Maybe it’s all projections from a higher dimension.  I think everything is on the table.

Another good book is The Day After Roswell by Phillip J Corso.  Ex-high level government officials have claimed the book is all true, but again I take that with a grain of salt.

I think the legitimate danger regarding this topic is the public not being aware of these technologies, or assuming they couldnt be created by humans.  They are definitely not available to the public, and can be used to deceive us potentially.  Hope the inquiries into all this whistleblower testimony get somewhere, but it seems like a longshot to penetrate such a clandestine operation if that’s what’s really in place.

People like this Dr. Greer fellow (I linked his event from June above, but he’s been actively doing interviews in the fringe YouTube realm) believe folks like Dick Cheney and GHW Bush were read into these programs along with other high level international officials.  If any of this is true, and Greer claims to have hundreds of exmilitary whistleblowers coming forward, via Greer, to Congress - it certainly makes one reconsider many of our most basic assumptions.

[TheLurper]

What strikes me as a bummer is that most UFO beliefs aren't based on hopes for intelligent life outside are own, but instead mainly based on conspiracy anti-government narratives or an intense fear that other governments are coming to get us. The idea that a the US government--a government run by relatively honest bureaucrats and dumbass politicians who can barely read--is hiding anti-gravity and teleporting space ships is far fetched. Is the military going to give away all their secrets? No. Are military leaders living in the year 2525? Also, no. Is Russia sitting on anti-gravity missiles even though it can't even manage to successfully invade one of the poorest countries in Europe? No.

Navy pilots saw the ships with their own eyes. It's not "data". Or "cinematography". They were meters away. Your answer clearly tells me you know much less about this than you think you do.

Also that video about the future of the universe is pure speculation. We have no idea what will happen and how long it will last. So again: Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The universe is more than 13 billion years old. Those are agreed scientific facts. and no, we are not early. 

I love being kooked for having a different opinion on a skate forum hahaha

edit: not going to watch a 20 minute "debunking" video when its whole argument falls flat on its face when you take into account the radar data. A glare would not be picked up by radar. And of course, the army/pentagon/whatever could be making fraudulent videos, it's always a possibility, but again: what is the point then? after denying all this for 70 years?

The notion that someone saw something with their own eyes, can be compelling, but it can also be complete bullshit. People see things wrong all the time and misinterpret the world in front of them. I saw a guy pull rabbit out of his hat once with my own eyes. I once saw a psychic tell someone's future and astrology predict someone's personality too. To quote ICP, "I've seen shit that'll shock your eyelids... I see miracles everyday."  While these fantastic events could be explained by magic, supernatural/extrasensory, or religion, there are better answers.

And the idea that we have no idea what will happen as the universe ages is somewhat irrelevant. Other than contradicting for the sake of contradicting, I'm not sure what the point is here. What is the most confusing is that you argue that the universe is 13.8 billion years old, which is a conclusion built on the same science that says the universe is young and there will be another 100 trillion years of time that can support life in our universe.

Sadly, everything to do with UFOs has been a hoax or the simple misreading of information. From some American Hillbilly complaining about his asshole being probed to some Mexican guy having alien bodies that are just a poorly put together collection of animal bones that wouldn't function in real life to pilots misinterpreting the data on the screens or misinterpreting the physical world in front of them (an error we all make on occasion). 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/09/13/aliens-in-mexico-not-so-fast-presenters-have-history-of-being-debunked/?sh=1a14dd1d1de8 .

And there is probably a good reason every other pilot and naval officer on their ship thought that the Nimitz UFO people were kooks. They've said it themselves, no one who actually operates in their field of work believed anything they had to say and they were mocked by their peers who were on the boat with them. And their stories don't even line up, one says 10 seconds and the other says 5 minutes. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-monday-edition-1.6065136/why-this-ufo-video-analyst-doesn-t-buy-the-hype-around-the-pentagon-report-1.6065138. If everyone who works with them thinks they are kooks, why do you believe they aren't?


And finally,

I'm sure you're basing your expertise here in having seen top gun once but you couldn't be further from the truth. Being a navy pilot not only demands an exceptional level of education, they only take the absolute best of those exceptionally well educated folks and they hold them to exceptionally high standards.

One of my buddies went from university into the navy to be pilot. He had all sorts of good qualities, but he was not an expert in photography. If I asked him how those little triangles appear in that popular UFO video he wouldn't be able to tell me "oh it is because a three bladed iris created a triangular bokeh." His education was not focused on how cameras work. And, not to get into the weeds and off topic but the majority (83%) of navy pilots have a bachelors degree or less. This is good, but I wouldn't frame this as an exceptional level of education and imagine, like my friend who went into the Navy (and myself), most went state schools not elite institutions.

[Kook Me Amadeus]

What strikes me as a bummer is that most UFO beliefs aren't based on hopes for intelligent life outside are own, but instead mainly based on conspiracy anti-government narratives or an intense fear that other governments are coming to get us. The idea that a the US government--a government run by relatively honest bureaucrats and dumbass politicians who can barely read--is hiding anti-gravity and teleporting space ships is far fetched. Is the military going to give away all their secrets? No. Are military leaders living in the year 2525? Also, no. Is Russia sitting on anti-gravity missiles even though it can't even manage to successfully invade one of the poorest countries in Europe? No.

You are definitely entitled to your skepticism, and you may not be responding to elements I was sharing, but to clarify a couple of things - the vast majority of the US government at large and other government officials are apparently not aware of or read into these highly classified programs.  They’re highly compartmentalized, only a couple hundred people globally have “all” of the information.  Which makes sense since Congress is now holding hearings to learn about something they’ve been kept out of for years.

Also, I’m not sure anti-government conspiracies are the allure of the topic at all - but the two have become inextricably linked over time because there’s little doubt the “government” - and by that I dont mean the conventional outward facing US government, but these nuclear level secrecy programs, have been controlling the narratives and information we’re given.

I’m personally interested in what all of this means on an existential level for humans and how we fit into the larger universe, and how these new details emerging could give new context to religion, spirituality and all sorts of these philosophical matters.

[OldieButFrenchie]

And the idea that we have no idea what will happen as the universe ages is somewhat irrelevant. Other than contradicting for the sake of contradicting, I'm not sure what the point is here. What is the most confusing is that you argue that the universe is 13.8 billion years old, which is a conclusion built on the same science that says the universe is young and there will be another 100 trillion years of time that can support life in our universe.

again, no. Not the same science at all. As far as we know, time is linear. We can observe the past and calculate the age of the universe by measuring cosmic background radiation, but we cannot know for sure how long the universe will last. Physicists have different scenarios but that's it. Even leaving that aside, the fact the universe is over twice as old as the earth shows intelligent life did have time to develop elsewhere. Honestly I can respect your opinion as a sceptic but you should be able to just admit you were objectively wrong about one aspect of the discussion and move on.
As for the pilots being "kooks"...OK but all 4? and then what of the radar and infrared data? It is precisely the fact we have all 3 factors that makes this incident difficult to just dismiss.

-> Sativa Lung: another informative post, thanks.
Also thanks for the book suggestions, as well as Kevin!

One of the craziest things in all of this is the role played by Tom Delonge....who in the world would expect the guitar player from Blink to be actively involved in the disclosure of all these vids and to be working with ex-CIA and Pentagon officials!!

[Sativa Lung]

One of my buddies went from university into the navy to be pilot. He had all sorts of good qualities, but he was not an expert in photography. If I asked him how those little triangles appear in that popular UFO video he wouldn't be able to tell me "oh it is because a three bladed iris created a triangular bokeh." His education was not focused on how cameras work. And, not to get into the weeds and off topic but the majority (83%) of navy pilots have a bachelors degree or less. This is good, but I wouldn't frame this as an exceptional level of education and imagine, like my friend who went into the Navy (and myself), most went state schools not elite institutions.

Where the fuck are you getting this shit from? I'm seriously baffled as to how much you assume you know about this when you're totally clueless and I'm positive this buddy either doesn't exist or youve never had an even slightly technical conversation with them. Every single naval pilot has a 4 year degree or equivalent. It's literally one of the requirements to even apply for the program.

https://www.navy.com/node/138

Shit, 25-30% per year come straight from the academy, which last time I checked is a pretty well regarded academic institution.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/united-states-naval-academy-2101/overall-rankings

And that's just the beginning.

From there, they go to YEARS of advanced training in everything even remotely related to aviation and their airframe, including the extremely advanced camera systems they operate. And we're not talking about college classes. We're talking 8 hours+ a day in a classroom or hangar, learning what every piece of the airplane, weapon system, nav system, radar etc is and how it works. There's a reason they're the ones who do the last preflight check of everything, not the maintainers.

Seriously dude, remove what you want the story to be from your mind completely and just do some basic research here. I don't need to speculate about anything I'm saying here or make up false friends as an appeal to authority, I've actually lived in that world.

[TheLurper]

@Sativa Lung  You seem to be misreading my response to your post. You explained "being a navy pilot not only demands an exceptional level of education, they only take the absolute best of those exceptionally well educated folks and they hold them to exceptionally high standards."

I'm not sure we have the same definition of exceptional education. The requirement to get in is a 4 year degree from an accredited institution.

A group of people with bachelors degrees from an accredited institutions are not exactly "exceptional." Nearly 40% of America has at least a bachelors degree. Moreover, over 40% of jobs require a 4 year degree. Requiring a 4-year degree for a job is not exceptional, instead it is very common. Moreover, I'm assuming--unless you have evidence to the contrary--like me, most of these pilots went to state schools. A degree from a state school is not exceptional. It is in fact the most common way to get a degree. 63% of college grads have degrees from public institutions. None of this jumps out as "exceptional" to me. If you have more information that will help me understand why their education is "exceptional" I am open to it, but I haven't found it yet.

As for the post-college naval aviation training, I'm sure they become solid pilots as America is entrusting them with a 70 million dollar machine and it takes a few years of training. I'm sure they learn all sorts of stuff unlike police officers who bullshit their way through 12 months of training and learn almost nothing by the end. However, unless you can show me otherwise, I don't see any evidence of them becoming camera engineers or cinematographers. Using an instrument well and knowing how to build it/explaining every single weird thing it could do are two different things.

My doubt in their camera engineering training and cinematography training is only furthered by the pilots in these UFO videos who don't seem to understand the information in front of them. Or maybe the training is that good and this is why the Nimitz UFO pilots were made fun of by everyone else that they worked with, because their peers might have known how to read the signals on theirs instruments properly.

I'll concede that my initial framing was a bit flippant and didn't frame all the training/time that goes into being a navy pilot appropriately, but I'm going to hold steady on the part that proclaims aliens aren't doing arial shows over isolated areas of water for the sake of a few navy pilots while no scientists are finding any evidence of intelligent life being anywhere near us. No aliens are coming here to turn our cows inside out and the Russian Soviets, Chinese Communists, Iranians, the Taliban (pick whichever boogeyman is most appropriate for today) has anti-gravity super teleporting flying saucers.

Sources:

Demographics of Navy Pilots:
https://www.zippia.com/military-pilot-jobs/demographics/ <-- a good enough source for a discussion about UFOs.

Flight School Info:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3853840/#:~:text=Flight%20school%20has%20a%2025,sets%20in%20a%20supporting%20role.

Police Training being mostly bullshit:
https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691143866/cop-in-the-hood

Education obtainment of the USA:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/educational-attainment.html

Percent of degree public, private, or for-profit:
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40

Percent of jobs requiring 4 year degree:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/08/business/hiring-without-college-degree.html