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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #90 on: July 21, 2023, 02:59:13 PM »
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All I know is that Dailan makes Crail boards and they’re my favorite, so this could be a potential non-issue as far as quality goes. What really sucks is raising prices for people who still want to skate the BBS wood.
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Dailan has really stepped up their game. I don't know if you were around in 04-09ish, but Crail boards were absolutely terrible back then, super soggy and broke in three days bad. Their boards are great in my opinion now. I have 8.5 chocolate G057 and have been loving it. Dwindle decks last forever for me personally too, however, they are quite stiff. Maybe too stiff for a lot of skaters. On another note I got a new Chinese made DGK deck off OfferUp for $25. I'm not sure what shop it was pressed at, but the first session on it felt nice. I'll still be supporting DLX though, love their products and their customer service was phenomenal in replacing a flatspotted set of formula fours.
Imo they have been terrible until 2015 at least. I want to try one of their decks again since you guys have been praising them that much.

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #91 on: July 21, 2023, 07:02:52 PM »
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The one thing I remember was Mason Silva mentioned that the weird sizes ie. 8.18 is actually an 8.25 or 8.125 or something.  ie. they purposely pick a weird number. 

The other thing I was thinking was that maybe moving the factory to china would line up better with shipping things world wide as I'm sure the number of skateboard buyers has changed and grown vs. being mostly north America based.
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The problem here is that a smaller country, that would usually buy a DLX shipment 3 or 4 times a year and get everything on one pallet, will not get Spifires from the China shipment, which could be half the order.


What I am wondering, after what others have said, is the path the product takes to get to the end destination, eg the skate shop.

For USA, it is most commonly, from manufacturer to DLX (SF) then to skate shop.  Some smaller accounts who can't or don't order direct from DLX would get their product through Eastern (ESS) or AWH or something similar - an in between distributor, where small shops can order a multitude of brands from the one place.

For others outside of the USA, it would most likely have been a similar path, eg manufacturer to DLX (SF) then to the local distributor in said country or area, then to the shop.


So then, what I am wondering is if product from China or elsewhere might now not need to pass through the hands of people at DLX (SF) or USA at all but go from Asian manufacturer straight to the local distributor, then to the local shop, which would seem easier if that is the path they are taking.

For other products that come from USA or different sources, it would still end up in the local distributor warehouse and then be shipped to the shop, so I would think that a small shop that orders less frequently / four times a year would still be able to get the same product in the same way.

I know that quite often a warehouse inventory is already sold in pre books, so the best stuff might not even make it up on the distributors B2B or whatever, but if said shop has already put in a pre book for things, then they shouldn't miss out if the different deliveries arrive at different times.


Anyway, that is just my take on it, be it like that or something else entirely, but I think it is going to be more viable moving forward in direct distribution of product.

As people have said, there will still be the core product lines that will not be moved elsewhere, but I don't ever think that DLX or anyone else would ship piecemeal in the way that product would go from manufacturer straight to the skate shop, unless it was a huge order for someone like a mega mall store chain and even then, it would still make more sense for the deliveries to go to the local distributor first, then be broken down and reshipped on to whoever has ordered the product.


Sorry to get almost too deep into distribution info, but I often get too curious about this sort of stuff.


Don't even get me started on board sizes / shapes / dimensions, but at the end of the day, if you like the board shapes or whatever, you can choose to ride them or not, it is up to you.


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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #92 on: July 21, 2023, 08:57:09 PM »
Such an American thing to keep eagles in North America.


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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2023, 05:11:19 AM »
Always thought the weird measurement stickers from dlx were just a simple way to differentiate shapes. Nowadays with the nerds bringing their measurement tape to the shop it might not make as much sense anymore. But with a lot of shops the width is the only displayed info and with dlx boards you can just grab the 8.38 knowing that it's your favorite shape, even though in reality it's an 8.5. If dlx had multiple 8.5 shapes you'd always have to check if it's actually your shape.
But with all the true fit shapes and so on this is obsolete and I have to actually check what board I'm paying 80 euros for. Damn you short people

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #94 on: July 28, 2023, 12:58:09 PM »

. For us in Europe this probably means it is going to become nearly impossible to get decks from top manufacturers. Besides deluxe almost all decks at German skateshops are already made in China.


There‘s also HLC, who stepped up their game a lot. Been riding robotron boards recently. They are amazing
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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #95 on: July 28, 2023, 03:33:15 PM »
I'd think that a good woodshop in China is better for europe than a good woodshed in Mexico....

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #96 on: July 28, 2023, 05:16:50 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.


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« Reply #97 on: July 28, 2023, 06:23:12 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.

My local has dlx and baker boards priced higher than FA/hockey. All blessings to the sale gear thread

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #98 on: July 29, 2023, 04:35:01 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.
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My local has dlx and baker boards priced higher than FA/hockey. All blessings to the sale gear thread


Where are you, EU or similar?


I am in Australia, so the average board price is between $120 and $150 now, including DLX and Baker being around middle range.  FA / Hockey boards were upwards of $180 a while back here, then it seems they all went on sale and were down on super clearance prices for a while, under $100 mostly.

Sure is interesting between different distributors or what some shops end up selling product for, especially in different parts of the world.


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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2023, 05:32:20 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.
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My local has dlx and baker boards priced higher than FA/hockey. All blessings to the sale gear thread
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Where are you, EU or similar?


I am in Australia, so the average board price is between $120 and $150 now, including DLX and Baker being around middle range.  FA / Hockey boards were upwards of $180 a while back here, then it seems they all went on sale and were down on super clearance prices for a while, under $100 mostly.

Sure is interesting between different distributors or what some shops end up selling product for, especially in different parts of the world.

I’m in the us. Massachusetts. 70-75 for FA hockey. Newest drops from baker and dlx are 75-80

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #100 on: July 29, 2023, 07:43:12 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.
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My local has dlx and baker boards priced higher than FA/hockey. All blessings to the sale gear thread
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Where are you, EU or similar?


I am in Australia, so the average board price is between $120 and $150 now, including DLX and Baker being around middle range.  FA / Hockey boards were upwards of $180 a while back here, then it seems they all went on sale and were down on super clearance prices for a while, under $100 mostly.

Sure is interesting between different distributors or what some shops end up selling product for, especially in different parts of the world.
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I’m in the us. Massachusetts. 70-75 for FA hockey. Newest drops from baker and dlx are 75-80


Come to think of it I had heard some people say some US shops had gone up a whole lot more in price than others.

I guess I am more used to checking some of the bigger / more well known online shops from US only - Tactics, SW, or others like 35th North as Dave is on here a bit, so not every other place, as most of these shops still have them around $60 to $70 but even here, there is a significant price difference with some shops compared to others.

Is this a fairly normal price range though?

https://35thnorth.com/collections/decks/?sort_by=price-descending

Limosine $77
Hockey $74
Baker $70
Polar $70
Higest price DLX board $66


Not disagreeing with you either, just curious more than anything.  Guessing the shops that have to go through in between distribution companies might have to put prices up a bit more, or others that have a better buying power usually get more discounts too, at least from my own experience in the skateboard industry, so they can afford to keep prices a bit lower.

Every dollar counts though, so I know how things work in that regard.

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #101 on: July 29, 2023, 07:50:50 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.
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My local has dlx and baker boards priced higher than FA/hockey. All blessings to the sale gear thread
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Where are you, EU or similar?


I am in Australia, so the average board price is between $120 and $150 now, including DLX and Baker being around middle range.  FA / Hockey boards were upwards of $180 a while back here, then it seems they all went on sale and were down on super clearance prices for a while, under $100 mostly.

Sure is interesting between different distributors or what some shops end up selling product for, especially in different parts of the world.
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I’m in the us. Massachusetts. 70-75 for FA hockey. Newest drops from baker and dlx are 75-80
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Come to think of it I had heard some people say some US shops had gone up a whole lot more in price than others.

I guess I am more used to checking some of the bigger / more well known online shops from US only - Tactics, SW, or others like 35th North as Dave is on here a bit, so not every other place, as most of these shops still have them around $60 to $70 but even here, there is a significant price difference with some shops compared to others.

Is this a fairly normal price range though?

https://35thnorth.com/collections/decks/?sort_by=price-descending

Limosine $77
Hockey $74
Baker $70
Polar $70
Higest price DLX board $66


Not disagreeing with you either, just curious more than anything.  Guessing the shops that have to go through in between distribution companies might have to put prices up a bit more, or others that have a better buying power usually get more discounts too, at least from my own experience in the skateboard industry, so they can afford to keep prices a bit lower.

Every dollar counts though, so I know how things work in that regard.

Oh I think my local is prob pricing stuff up. I stop in sometimes for emergency stuff but I usually buy stuff online from other shops cause the local honestly sucks. What you listed seems like the general pricing. Seems like a lot of the pro dlx boards are hitting 70 with the team decks around 65. What you said makes total sense in terms of distribution/buying power

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #102 on: August 01, 2023, 02:04:23 AM »
If they ramp up the quality I’m ok with it…..BBS has their shit dialed pretty good though.  Crail’s Dailan stuff and DWS stuff are pretty good.
That's right, I skated mostle both of brands switching from AH to Chocolate.
Crailtap's deck are good.May be a bit stiffer than BBS decks.

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« Reply #103 on: August 02, 2023, 11:28:07 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.
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My local has dlx and baker boards priced higher than FA/hockey. All blessings to the sale gear thread
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Where are you, EU or similar?


I am in Australia, so the average board price is between $120 and $150 now, including DLX and Baker being around middle range.  FA / Hockey boards were upwards of $180 a while back here, then it seems they all went on sale and were down on super clearance prices for a while, under $100 mostly.

Sure is interesting between different distributors or what some shops end up selling product for, especially in different parts of the world.
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I’m in the us. Massachusetts. 70-75 for FA hockey. Newest drops from baker and dlx are 75-80

Where the hell in MA you buying DLX for $80?!? I live in Boston, and Orchard sells Eagles for $64. New drops are $70 (highest I've seen).
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« Reply #104 on: August 03, 2023, 12:15:02 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.
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My local has dlx and baker boards priced higher than FA/hockey. All blessings to the sale gear thread
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Where are you, EU or similar?


I am in Australia, so the average board price is between $120 and $150 now, including DLX and Baker being around middle range.  FA / Hockey boards were upwards of $180 a while back here, then it seems they all went on sale and were down on super clearance prices for a while, under $100 mostly.

Sure is interesting between different distributors or what some shops end up selling product for, especially in different parts of the world.
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I’m in the us. Massachusetts. 70-75 for FA hockey. Newest drops from baker and dlx are 75-80
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Where the hell in MA you buying DLX for $80?!? I live in Boston, and Orchard sells Eagles for $64. New drops are $70 (highest I've seen).

I never buy decks from my local. Just saying that’s what they price them at. I hate the local but I’m sure there’s financial pressure/reason why they up-charge so much (benefit of the doubt). I honestly buy most of my stuff from orchard/library/the garden. It’s the same with shoes, they have a “sale” section where the shoes are literally marked down 2 dollars. They’re also fairly inconsistent pricing wise. For a minute they were charging 75-80 on FA and nobody bought them so they dropped it to 70 but the older drops were still 75/80. I think they’re just trying to see what they can get away with. I feel bad for the kids around here. They all wanna support the scene but sometimes they’ll tell me how much they had to pay for boards/shoes and it bums me out so much. One kid was hyped on a frog board and he told me with grip is was 83 bucks :(

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2023, 06:09:28 AM »
is there a link to the DLX catalog with the Chinese made product?

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« Reply #106 on: August 04, 2023, 12:25:35 PM »
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If the boards are the same concave / mold set and everything but cost less, then I can't see a problem with them.


The newer board drops from DLX on BBS wood sound like they are going to be on par with FA / Hockey in price at the retail end, so having something at what people would consider a more "normal" price might be nice.

Just wait and see really.
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My local has dlx and baker boards priced higher than FA/hockey. All blessings to the sale gear thread
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Where are you, EU or similar?


I am in Australia, so the average board price is between $120 and $150 now, including DLX and Baker being around middle range.  FA / Hockey boards were upwards of $180 a while back here, then it seems they all went on sale and were down on super clearance prices for a while, under $100 mostly.

Sure is interesting between different distributors or what some shops end up selling product for, especially in different parts of the world.
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I’m in the us. Massachusetts. 70-75 for FA hockey. Newest drops from baker and dlx are 75-80
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Where the hell in MA you buying DLX for $80?!? I live in Boston, and Orchard sells Eagles for $64. New drops are $70 (highest I've seen).
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I never buy decks from my local. Just saying that’s what they price them at. I hate the local but I’m sure there’s financial pressure/reason why they up-charge so much (benefit of the doubt). I honestly buy most of my stuff from orchard/library/the garden. It’s the same with shoes, they have a “sale” section where the shoes are literally marked down 2 dollars. They’re also fairly inconsistent pricing wise. For a minute they were charging 75-80 on FA and nobody bought them so they dropped it to 70 but the older drops were still 75/80. I think they’re just trying to see what they can get away with. I feel bad for the kids around here. They all wanna support the scene but sometimes they’ll tell me how much they had to pay for boards/shoes and it bums me out so much. One kid was hyped on a frog board and he told me with grip is was 83 bucks :(
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I’ll check em out thanks for the heads up

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« Reply #107 on: August 04, 2023, 03:34:43 PM »
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« Reply #108 on: August 04, 2023, 06:12:43 PM »
is there a link to the DLX catalog with the Chinese made product?


Guessing the only people who had access to that were the shops with pre book options.


What I am curious about is whether any US shops got that info too, or are they all still 100% BBS from Mexico for DLX boards in the USA for future drops?

Not a worry either way to me - sure I can be a bit too nosey sometimes, but I guess if others have already said this and that, hearing from any shop employees within the USA would be interesting.


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« Reply #109 on: August 07, 2023, 04:46:54 PM »
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is there a link to the DLX catalog with the Chinese made product?
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Guessing the only people who had access to that were the shops with pre book options.


What I am curious about is whether any US shops got that info too, or are they all still 100% BBS from Mexico for DLX boards in the USA for future drops?

Not a worry either way to me - sure I can be a bit too nosey sometimes, but I guess if others have already said this and that, hearing from any shop employees within the USA would be interesting.

From the USA here, our shop got the same email. Just a standard email though. No specific product shots.

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« Reply #110 on: August 07, 2023, 06:21:55 PM »
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Guessing the only people who had access to that were the shops with pre book options.


What I am curious about is whether any US shops got that info too, or are they all still 100% BBS from Mexico for DLX boards in the USA for future drops?

Not a worry either way to me - sure I can be a bit too nosey sometimes, but I guess if others have already said this and that, hearing from any shop employees within the USA would be interesting.
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From the USA here, our shop got the same email. Just a standard email though. No specific product shots.


Thanks.

I guess production costs going up even a little bit globally do have an effect on local markets too.


Everything going up one single dollar at the manufacturing end still means product that arrives in shops that come through more than one distro will have significant increases in retail prices.

Here in AU that means on average about AU$20 increase in the price of wood at the shop end, boards going from AU$130 up to AU$150 and well past that too, but that is to be expected.

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« Reply #111 on: August 07, 2023, 10:17:29 PM »
I’m predicting a pretty chilly winter for skateboarding…….

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #112 on: August 08, 2023, 08:50:59 AM »
I am def interested in trying one of these out.
Presuming, since their “intro level” completes are already fab’d in China, this newer announce pertains to (some) team & pro model decks as well?
If that is the case, I’m pretty confident the people at Deluxe have done their due dillies & tested product through riders feedback prior to settling on a partner.
Got me wondering if it’s one of the existing “known quantities” or a newer woodshop, or even a lesser known one looking to step up their game & rep in the bloard market.
Or is it a BBS/China manu collab deal where they establish their own foot hold in the Far East mfg marketplace.
Y’all reckon DLX sank any investment capital into this shop in order to bring it up to snuff, or…?
I’m so curious.
If only there were any SLAP users who worked at Deluxe HQ that could DM me some facts about this interesting new develop in product news.  ;)
Anyways, all that to say, I’m planning on picking one up as soon as I can find one in my size.
Will report back w/ my impressions if & when.

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #113 on: August 08, 2023, 09:04:22 AM »
does anyone know what salary is like for working at one of these woodshops in china? i assume it's half of whatever they pay in the states but im curious how wrong i am

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« Reply #114 on: August 08, 2023, 10:00:59 AM »
does anyone know what salary is like for working at one of these woodshops in china? i assume it's half of whatever they pay in the states but im curious how wrong i am
Minimum wage varies by region. The lowest is the equivalent of $1.80/hour while the highest is a little more than double that. I doubt that they're pressing boards in Beijing, so it's probably closer to $2/hour.

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« Reply #115 on: August 08, 2023, 10:20:03 AM »
Are we still genuinely believing the economics of boards being pressed in the states?  Curious how wrong I am….

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« Reply #116 on: August 13, 2023, 06:34:19 PM »
Ben Degros mentions he's testing new decks then on YouTube one of them is a "8.25 Anti Hero Eagle" except it's not grey. Wonder if it's a new Chinese deck.

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #117 on: August 13, 2023, 06:39:52 PM »
Ben Degros mentions he's testing new decks then on YouTube one of them is a "8.25 Anti Hero Eagle" except it's not grey. Wonder if it's a new Chinese deck.

This concerns me. Greatly. The 8.25 DLX (specifically the grey Eagle) has been my main deck for YEARS at this point…
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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #118 on: August 13, 2023, 07:01:45 PM »
New DLX wood is available for shops to order on August 21st. At least for the States, they are. So, everyone keep up to date with your local that week or the week after so everyone can check out the wood and see if it’s BBS or something different.

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Re: DLX boards now made in China
« Reply #119 on: August 13, 2023, 07:47:28 PM »
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All I know is that Dailan makes Crail boards and they’re my favorite, so this could be a potential non-issue as far as quality goes. What really sucks is raising prices for people who still want to skate the BBS wood.
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Dailan has really stepped up their game. I don't know if you were around in 04-09ish, but Crail boards were absolutely terrible back then, super soggy and broke in three days bad. Their boards are great in my opinion now. I have 8.5 chocolate G057 and have been loving it. Dwindle decks last forever for me personally too, however, they are quite stiff. Maybe too stiff for a lot of skaters. On another note I got a new Chinese made DGK deck off OfferUp for $25. I'm not sure what shop it was pressed at, but the first session on it felt nice. I'll still be supporting DLX though, love their products and their customer service was phenomenal in replacing a flatspotted set of formula fours.

I know this is a month old but it's triggering my madness/ocd...

Dalian (not dailan) is not a woodshop or company. Dalian is a place. The actual woodshop is called Dalian Huahong Sports Tool. The company name is "Huahong" but I usually just call it the crail woodshop, though I believe they also press the blanks PGI imports.