DLX boards now made in China

[Mbrimson88]

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Update to that last post about DLX boards now in Australian shops.

The easiest way to determine where it is from is by looking at where the warning sticker is on the board.

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That sticker placement hurts me so much.

Always take the sticker off, as the first thing I do after removing shrink, but I know some others are triggered about the sticker too, PS Stix has it up higher on the nose, but often on the outside of the shrink when I saw a board recently, so it doesn't get stuck to the board, which is smart.

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I just finished skating the first deluxe China board I got in December. So I guess it’s time for a little feedback. The 8.25 is still good, I just got annoyed by the long wheelbase as always after a couple weeks. The one I’m gonna talk about today is the 8.4 Harry Lintell Real board. I set it up on the 10th of December in the midst of the cold German winter. For first impressions see a couple posts above...

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Have a virtual gnar gnar because I haven’t evolved yet.

Awesome feedback, thank you. It seems that if it was ALL china wood everywhere then it really would be okay.

Yeah that was amazing to see and read, so I got you covered in that regard.

Still yet to see any in person, but feeling good about them, not worried.


I saw another person (also German location) posted one of those Lintell boards in the Setups thread saying they hated it, so I guess there will be those who want the I stamp or steeper concave, vs those who want a more mellow board, but all part of the usual process of why there is never a one for all option in skateboarding.

[Xen]

Does anyone know if the 8.5x32.18x14.38WB is china or bbs?

[Mbrimson88]

Does anyone know if the 8.5x32.18x14.38WB is china or bbs?

All the USA boards are BBS - that is to say all sold in shops in USA from current drops as far as I know, whereas almost all the EU, Asia, AU, Canada and other places are China made boards in this current drop, with the exception of the bigger shapes, the AH eagles, Real ovals, Krooked eyes and a few specific boards.

So that shape, along with all the others for you should still be BBS wood, whereas it will be China made for the rest of us.

[Xen]

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Does anyone know if the 8.5x32.18x14.38WB is china or bbs?

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All the USA boards are BBS - that is to say all sold in shops in USA from current drops as far as I know, whereas almost all the EU, Asia, AU, Canada and other places are China made boards in this current drop, with the exception of the bigger shapes, the AH eagles, Real ovals, Krooked eyes and a few specific boards.

So that shape, along with all the others for you should still be BBS wood, whereas it will be China made for the rest of us.

Awww man, I was hoping they just weren't for the other side of the globe and would drop over here; from the feedback, they seem much crispier than the BBS boards.

[Big Baby Jesus]

Feedback makes the decks sound exactly like the girl deck I’ve been riding but with shorter wheel bases. I love my girl deck right now so would be more open to trying than the BBS decks.

[JM]

Always take the sticker off, as the first thing I do after removing shrink.

How? I can’t ever get the sticker off without leaving awful paper and tack residue…

[Scottboarding]

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Does anyone know if the 8.5x32.18x14.38WB is china or bbs?

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All the USA boards are BBS - that is to say all sold in shops in USA from current drops as far as I know, whereas almost all the EU, Asia, AU, Canada and other places are China made boards in this current drop, with the exception of the bigger shapes, the AH eagles, Real ovals, Krooked eyes and a few specific boards.

So that shape, along with all the others for you should still be BBS wood, whereas it will be China made for the rest of us.

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Awww man, I was hoping they just weren't for the other side of the globe and would drop over here; from the feedback, they seem much crispier than the BBS boards.

I'd also like to see some of them in the US. The crisp wood and consistent mellow concave and kicks sound great. I buy almost all my boards from my local and they usually only have one or two of each DLX shape and I regularaly end up with a I or a II when I'd prefer a III or IV.

[Mbrimson88]

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Always take the sticker off, as the first thing I do after removing shrink.

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How? I can’t ever get the sticker off without leaving awful paper and tack residue…

Maybe it is just the temperate climate here, but just put the razor blade under the sticker (same one I use for opening boxes or gripping boards, get a corner up and peel it up gently. 

More often than not get the whole sticker off in one go, but if not, at least just to scrape up the rest and stick grip straight down over whatever is on the board, no worries.

Maybe a little colder weather is easier to get the sticker off with no fuss, not ice cold or hot tropical conditions.

[Mbrimson88]

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Does anyone know if the 8.5x32.18x14.38WB is china or bbs?

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All the USA boards are BBS - that is to say all sold in shops in USA from current drops as far as I know, whereas almost all the EU, Asia, AU, Canada and other places are China made boards in this current drop, with the exception of the bigger shapes, the AH eagles, Real ovals, Krooked eyes and a few specific boards.

So that shape, along with all the others for you should still be BBS wood, whereas it will be China made for the rest of us.

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Awww man, I was hoping they just weren't for the other side of the globe and would drop over here; from the feedback, they seem much crispier than the BBS boards.

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I'd also like to see some of them in the US. The crisp wood and consistent mellow concave and kicks sound great. I buy almost all my boards from my local and they usually only have one or two of each DLX shape and I regularaly end up with a I or a II when I'd prefer a III or IV.

I guess from the information I first saw as well as what others have been posting, it is highly likely that at some point some of the China boards will make it into shops in USA, so even hit up DLX directly and ask them about it.

The more requests and questions they get, the more likely they are to do something that people want too.


Could be they are not far off there anyway, but who knows.

[JM]

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Does anyone know if the 8.5x32.18x14.38WB is china or bbs?

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All the USA boards are BBS - that is to say all sold in shops in USA from current drops as far as I know, whereas almost all the EU, Asia, AU, Canada and other places are China made boards in this current drop, with the exception of the bigger shapes, the AH eagles, Real ovals, Krooked eyes and a few specific boards.

So that shape, along with all the others for you should still be BBS wood, whereas it will be China made for the rest of us.

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Awww man, I was hoping they just weren't for the other side of the globe and would drop over here; from the feedback, they seem much crispier than the BBS boards.

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I'd also like to see some of them in the US. The crisp wood and consistent mellow concave and kicks sound great. I buy almost all my boards from my local and they usually only have one or two of each DLX shape and I regularaly end up with a I or a II when I'd prefer a III or IV.

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I guess from the information I first saw as well as what others have been posting, it is highly likely that at some point some of the China boards will make it into shops in USA, so even hit up DLX directly and ask them about it.

The more requests and questions they get, the more likely they are to do something that people want too.


Could be they are not far off there anyway, but who knows.

If DLX sold ALL decks from China factory, what would happen to the Mexico factory?  DLX has to be a major customer.  Maybe the BBS owner would move all production and profits from China?  (and it would just be the employees in Mexico that would have to find new jobs?)

[Xen]

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Does anyone know if the 8.5x32.18x14.38WB is china or bbs?

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All the USA boards are BBS - that is to say all sold in shops in USA from current drops as far as I know, whereas almost all the EU, Asia, AU, Canada and other places are China made boards in this current drop, with the exception of the bigger shapes, the AH eagles, Real ovals, Krooked eyes and a few specific boards.

So that shape, along with all the others for you should still be BBS wood, whereas it will be China made for the rest of us.

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Awww man, I was hoping they just weren't for the other side of the globe and would drop over here; from the feedback, they seem much crispier than the BBS boards.

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I'd also like to see some of them in the US. The crisp wood and consistent mellow concave and kicks sound great. I buy almost all my boards from my local and they usually only have one or two of each DLX shape and I regularaly end up with a I or a II when I'd prefer a III or IV.

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I guess from the information I first saw as well as what others have been posting, it is highly likely that at some point some of the China boards will make it into shops in USA, so even hit up DLX directly and ask them about it.

The more requests and questions they get, the more likely they are to do something that people want too.


Could be they are not far off there anyway, but who knows.

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If DLX sold ALL decks from China factory, what would happen to the Mexico factory?  DLX has to be a major customer.  Maybe the BBS owner would move all production and profits from China?  (and it would just be the employees in Mexico that would have to find new jobs?)

DLX is def a major player for BBS - but when you think about who still uses PSTix (can count on one hand...ok maybe two) or DSM (one hand) and crail...the whole industry uses BBS and pretty sure while it would be a hit, BBS wouldn't have to move production to china (moving/setting up their WHOLE operation wouldn't be cost effective). Seems like DLX made the call to setup shop overseas to handle everything outside of NA, lots and lots of companies do that as it saves a shiton on logistics (shipping).

Honestly I am surprised it took them this long.

[Mbrimson88]

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Does anyone know if the 8.5x32.18x14.38WB is china or bbs?

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All the USA boards are BBS - that is to say all sold in shops in USA from current drops as far as I know, whereas almost all the EU, Asia, AU, Canada and other places are China made boards in this current drop, with the exception of the bigger shapes, the AH eagles, Real ovals, Krooked eyes and a few specific boards.

So that shape, along with all the others for you should still be BBS wood, whereas it will be China made for the rest of us.

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Awww man, I was hoping they just weren't for the other side of the globe and would drop over here; from the feedback, they seem much crispier than the BBS boards.

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I'd also like to see some of them in the US. The crisp wood and consistent mellow concave and kicks sound great. I buy almost all my boards from my local and they usually only have one or two of each DLX shape and I regularaly end up with a I or a II when I'd prefer a III or IV.

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I guess from the information I first saw as well as what others have been posting, it is highly likely that at some point some of the China boards will make it into shops in USA, so even hit up DLX directly and ask them about it.

The more requests and questions they get, the more likely they are to do something that people want too.


Could be they are not far off there anyway, but who knows.

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If DLX sold ALL decks from China factory, what would happen to the Mexico factory?  DLX has to be a major customer.  Maybe the BBS owner would move all production and profits from China?  (and it would just be the employees in Mexico that would have to find new jobs?)

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DLX is def a major player for BBS - but when you think about who still uses PSTix (can count on one hand...ok maybe two) or DSM (one hand) and crail...the whole industry uses BBS and pretty sure while it would be a hit, BBS wouldn't have to move production to china (moving/setting up their WHOLE operation wouldn't be cost effective). Seems like DLX made the call to setup shop overseas to handle everything outside of NA, lots and lots of companies do that as it saves a shiton on logistics (shipping).

Honestly I am surprised it took them this long.

I guess it is just down to the right time and the right circumstances.

Also imagine that BBS would have at least a finger in the pie if not more, of whatever is going on at the new location where boards are being made in China too, because something like that would definitely be a solid chunk of the market, so helping get that going rather than trying to block or take a loss is a good business move.

That is just speculation from myself, not adding anything that I have heard from others either, but I can't even imagine numbers of boards coming out, some thousands of each graphic, how ever many countries boards are being shipped to more easily than having them go to SF and then out to the rest of the world, so the savings alone there are worth the setup costs and keeping board prices more reasonable for the end user, which means more units sold, etc.

[JM]

Pretty soon us NA folks will be saying, “man. I need to get those BBS imports. They’re better”

[fakiefs180]

I was wondering if other brands will switch from BBS to China made decks? Mainly, European brands that use BBS. I was never a fan of the 4 numerals on DLX decks, but if I remember right, those China made DLX decks would be mellow. So like a DLX 3 or 4 right?

[j....soy.....]

I'm wondering why BBS didn't just set up shop in China.  I suspect it's a ton of dough, but if you look at where the growth is in skateboarding....it's not North America, it's Asia/Europe.  Seems like DLX still has a pretty big commitment to BBS for now anyhow so it looks good.

[Lou Strux]

I was wondering if other brands will switch from BBS to China made decks? Mainly, European brands that use BBS. I was never a fan of the 4 numerals on DLX decks, but if I remember right, those China made DLX decks would be mellow. So like a DLX 3 or 4 right?

A III or a IV is exactly how I describe them in relation to the 4-deck press from BBS.

Pretty soon us NA folks will be saying, “man. I need to get those BBS imports. They’re better”

"Better" would for sure be down to individual opinion. I really enjoyed the one I rode, but still prefer the little bit of flex I get from the Mexico wood.  For anybody that has enjoyed Crail/NHS/Dwindle wood in the last 5(+) years, these would be another fine addition to choose from. Those opposed to the rigidity that comes w/ epoxy resin glues would likely still seek out the BBS offerings/options should these ever become a north american staple.

[Mbrimson88]

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I got my hands on the new wood yesterday, set up a board today and have had a little roll on it, which left me wanting to keep skating, even though I had other things to do.

That seems like a plus one from me, for how they feel, no issues, good wood, good concave (although I usually have or prefer a little less than these boards) so I am going to pass it around this week and see what other people think of it too, then maybe give it the flatten or drive over it test and see if it mellows out the kicks at all, which is what I usually do, taking the nose down to 21 and the tail to 19 degrees on the other boards.

Some of my observations:

Nose is about 23 degrees, tail about 21 degrees, side to side between 10 and 11 degrees, so not the most mellow board to begin with, but it feels stiffer and a bit thicker too, just from holding it and standing on it.

It has a purple top ply, blue second ply and bluish bottom ply, very shiny and looks well finished all round, no issues in quality or anything else, as well as a pretty cool graphic too, so it makes me more keen to skate it, silly as that might sound.

[Ghost Face]

I don't get the shipping on this. If Oz shops are getting both US and China boards in a drop then surely there are China boards at DLX Warehouse in US and they'll start appearing in US stores.

[Mbrimson88]

I don't get the shipping on this. If Oz shops are getting both US and China boards in a drop then surely there are China boards at DLX Warehouse in US and they'll start appearing in US stores.

Different shipping, so the China made boards come straight from China and are here a good month or so ahead of the USA / DLX warehouse BBS made boards, from what I gather from the timeline of when the product arrives.

That is half the benefit of having the boards made in China and then shipped directly to the end user country, saving cost and time in that regard, rather than having boards go to DLX, then get shipped from there to where ever they are going.


That is my understanding anyway.

[Ghost Face]

Ok, so the Oz DLX distro will order X decks/trucks/bearings from China shipping and Y decks/wheels from US shipping?

Makes sense.

[Mbrimson88]

Ok, so the Oz DLX distro will order X decks/trucks/bearings from China shipping and Y decks/wheels from US shipping?

Makes sense.

Yeah, something like that, although now, I wonder about other goods, cause I think they would all still be coming in one container from DLX, more so than in a container from China.


Might just be decks from China at this stage, cause the other bigger things along with the usual decks like Thunder and Venture trucks are also made in Mexico, just like Spitfire wheels, but I really don't know about any other goods.  Sure other bits and pieces are made in China or elsewhere, but I just don't recall exactly where different things come from, even though I looked it all up at some point and it was interesting to see some of the places of manufacturing origin.

Certainly would be easier to ship anything made in China direct with the decks, but things might not line up quite like that either. Budget completes could be in the same load though.

I know some other places seem to get wood from one place and other things from elsewhere, so they don't come at the same time, but it usually is a container sized load whenever anything does arrive, eg lots of "no name" or blank products come from the same factory it seems, including grip, trucks, wheels, bolts, risers and all that sort of thing, but the branded stuff is a little more specific, grip from this place, other goods from somewhere else, etc.


Anything to stop double or triple handling of stock must be a good thing, at the end of the day.

[JM]

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I got my hands on the new wood yesterday, set up a board today and have had a little roll on it, which left me wanting to keep skating, even though I had other things to do.

That seems like a plus one from me, for how they feel, no issues, good wood, good concave (although I usually have or prefer a little less than these boards) so I am going to pass it around this week and see what other people think of it too, then maybe give it the flatten or drive over it test and see if it mellows out the kicks at all, which is what I usually do, taking the nose down to 21 and the tail to 19 degrees on the other boards.

Some of my observations:

Nose is about 23 degrees, tail about 21 degrees, side to side between 10 and 11 degrees, so not the most mellow board to begin with, but it feels stiffer and a bit thicker too, just from holding it and standing on it.

It has a purple top ply, blue second ply and bluish bottom ply, very shiny and looks well finished all round, no issues in quality or anything else, as well as a pretty cool graphic too, so it makes me more keen to skate it, silly as that might sound.

23 and 21? That sounds like a (II) no?

[JM]

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I don't get the shipping on this. If Oz shops are getting both US and China boards in a drop then surely there are China boards at DLX Warehouse in US and they'll start appearing in US stores.

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Different shipping, so the China made boards come straight from China and are here a good month or so ahead of the USA / DLX warehouse BBS made boards, from what I gather from the timeline of when the product arrives.

That is half the benefit of having the boards made in China and then shipped directly to the end user country, saving cost and time in that regard, rather than having boards go to DLX, then get shipped from there to where ever they are going.


That is my understanding anyway.

And my hope. Less resources used and less shipping time for decks to reach their destination.

Now.. how about a Europe manuf. next

[rawbertson.]

i am riding one of the 8" china boards and i have to say it is working really well for me. it was warped AF.  paid $10 for it and i am doing some of the best heelflips I have ever done in my life.

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Nose is about 23 degrees, tail about 21 degrees, side to side between 10 and 11 degrees, so not the most mellow board to begin with, but it feels stiffer and a bit thicker too, just from holding it and standing on it.

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23 and 21? That sounds like a (II) no?

Yeah it could easily be up there, as most of my IV boards are less than that, but some of them have also been as steep as this or steeper in the angle of the kicks in both III and IV, so it is a bit of a funny one, especially when I just go more for the III or IV when I can get them in the past.

Even some of the I or II have been more mellow in some cases, so now I tend to stand on and feel any and every board out that is of a good size for me, just in case and I have found some amazingly flatter boards with I or II on them, almost always with a pale aqua top stain, so I don't know what or why, but they might have been pressed on the mellow mold or something.


That's the thing with these new ones, all identical in press and concave, so if you like it like that, great, but if you prefer a little more or a little less, then you might be best trying to find BBS or other wood.  Granted I can always flatten out these boards, which I will do in a week or so, just to see how that goes too, but it does take away the "luck of the draw" with BBS and others who press multiple boards and you end up with different degrees of concave in each board from the stack.

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Nose is about 23 degrees, tail about 21 degrees, side to side between 10 and 11 degrees, so not the most mellow board to begin with, but it feels stiffer and a bit thicker too, just from holding it and standing on it.

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23 and 21? That sounds like a (II) no?

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Yeah it could easily be up there, as most of my IV boards are less than that, but some of them have also been as steep as this or steeper in the angle of the kicks in both III and IV, so it is a bit of a funny one, especially when I just go more for the III or IV when I can get them in the past.

Even some of the I or II have been more mellow in some cases, so now I tend to stand on and feel any and every board out that is of a good size for me, just in case and I have found some amazingly flatter boards with I or II on them, almost always with a pale aqua top stain, so I don't know what or why, but they might have been pressed on the mellow mold or something.


That's the thing with these new ones, all identical in press and concave, so if you like it like that, great, but if you prefer a little more or a little less, then you might be best trying to find BBS or other wood.  Granted I can always flatten out these boards, which I will do in a week or so, just to see how that goes too, but it does take away the "luck of the draw" with BBS and others who press multiple boards and you end up with different degrees of concave in each board from the stack.

The Epoxy crispness and the reports of longer staying crisp, has me very curious to try them.

It would certainly help the madness over what Roman numeral you’re getting. It would be really nice to not have to worry about that anymore

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Nose is about 23 degrees, tail about 21 degrees, side to side between 10 and 11 degrees, so not the most mellow board to begin with, but it feels stiffer and a bit thicker too, just from holding it and standing on it.

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23 and 21? That sounds like a (II) no?

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Yeah it could easily be up there, as most of my IV boards are less than that, but some of them have also been as steep as this or steeper in the angle of the kicks in both III and IV, so it is a bit of a funny one, especially when I just go more for the III or IV when I can get them in the past.

Even some of the I or II have been more mellow in some cases, so now I tend to stand on and feel any and every board out that is of a good size for me, just in case and I have found some amazingly flatter boards with I or II on them, almost always with a pale aqua top stain, so I don't know what or why, but they might have been pressed on the mellow mold or something.


That's the thing with these new ones, all identical in press and concave, so if you like it like that, great, but if you prefer a little more or a little less, then you might be best trying to find BBS or other wood.  Granted I can always flatten out these boards, which I will do in a week or so, just to see how that goes too, but it does take away the "luck of the draw" with BBS and others who press multiple boards and you end up with different degrees of concave in each board from the stack.

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The Epoxy crispness and the reports of longer staying crisp, has me very curious to try them.

It would certainly help the madness over what Roman numeral you’re getting. It would be really nice to not have to worry about that anymore

Just got home from having a solid session on it today at a pretty good little skatepark and I have to say, by the end of the session I was quite used to it and didn't have any issues skating it as per usual.

Someone else there also had a good skate on it just to see and gave it the total thumbs up for what it is worth.  He can both skate better than me and is far less picky in the board department, so I would say it is worth giving them a go.

Let me give it a few weeks and then really get a lot more feedback and see what everyone else thinks of it too, as well as giving it time to go from that new shiny thing I am unsure of, to a well worn in comfortable board I can pick up and skate with not a care in the world.

[Mbrimson88]

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Update to my DLX AH 8.75 BA board.

Been going super strong, with multiple people having sessions on it to really give it a go and it is holding up well, very stiff and no issues at all with it.

Almost everyone thinks it is great, some people I gave more info, others not so much, just so they could have a skate on it without having the thought of where it was from, etc.

Compared to BBS which has more flex, this one holds shape and feels more poppy, especially in the first few sessions, almost too much actually, but then it gets a little more comfortable and I could skate it without a worry, as did everyone else.

That said, I would have no issue recommending this board, or any other DLX China made boards to anyone in the future, maybe even recommend them more to people who break boards or flex out boards, but I am still barely into the usual life span of a deck, so will still see how long this one actually lasts for others, who are going to skate it now.

[j....soy.....]

I'm wondering now how much they'll produce.  My impression was they did this because of having to share BBS with all the other manufacturers, but I have a feeling a lot of brands are about to take a dump.....

[JM]

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Update to my DLX AH 8.75 BA board.

Been going super strong, with multiple people having sessions on it to really give it a go and it is holding up well, very stiff and no issues at all with it.

Almost everyone thinks it is great, some people I gave more info, others not so much, just so they could have a skate on it without having the thought of where it was from, etc.

Compared to BBS which has more flex, this one holds shape and feels more poppy, especially in the first few sessions, almost too much actually, but then it gets a little more comfortable and I could skate it without a worry, as did everyone else.

That said, I would have no issue recommending this board, or any other DLX China made boards to anyone in the future, maybe even recommend them more to people who break boards or flex out boards, but I am still barely into the usual life span of a deck, so will still see how long this one actually lasts for others, who are going to skate it now.

Your “too much skate talk” as per your sig, is always greatly appreciated

Now I really want to try one