Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?

[Unkle Fleak]

I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

Did that shit have a (a) in it too?

[Watson]

Ahaha RHCP one is so good.

[conan777]

Jamie is a kook but claiming he's a nazi is a comically large stretch. He's not racist, he's just generally a fuckwit

[theloniousmonk]

Ahaha RHCP one is so good.

Good old potato Jesus

[breezy_again]

i just got an ig ad for the emerica spanky high and it seems to hit the mark that warsaw is aiming for, and is under $100

these don't look like hundred dollar shoes, even taking inflation into account

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i just got an ig ad for the emerica spanky high and it seems to hit the mark that warsaw is aiming for, and is under $100

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these don't look like hundred dollar shoes, even taking inflation into account

Screams sale rack to me

[BeachChicken]

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

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isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[Unkle Fleak]

Jamie is a kook but claiming he's a nazi is a comically large stretch. He's not racist, he's just generally a fuckwit

I’m not claiming anything like that. Im saying he’s robbing the imagery from there.

You know cuz all of skating is way way more left than right he was like no ones buying this anarchy shit I’ve been fronting on anymore. They know I’m a poser. Maybe if I. And that other shit that looks like a cross too ok?

I mean why is it so hard to think damn he bit zero from sp.  maybe he’s ripping off all his shit from a and b to make hot topic art

[Unkle Fleak]

I’m could just dig up all the source materials and or use links pics and quotes to hammer skin it home but why?

[thehogsniper]

I’m could just dig up all the source materials and or use links pics and quotes to hammer skin it home but why?

you're referencing the Valknut?

[Too Young for Slappies]

Pretty wild how there are literally hundreds of skateboarding brands of all kinds, yet the ones Jamie does continually run into these issues with their questionable names and logos.

Man, he sure has "bad luck" with all these white supremacy-related "coincidences" happening to him.

[Too Young for Slappies]

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

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isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

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And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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im not fallen for this

zero interest in those pebble catchers

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Wonder if they come in a black box

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Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery

I don't want to be a $lave of his business

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

[close]

isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

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isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

Don't forget Pixar.

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

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isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

he backed himself into a wall here cuz he really wanted to seem deeper than he is, he stole it from Joy Division then knew he was gonna get called on it so he made a different back story, you can hear in the Nine Club where he's trying to decided what story to tell, the real one or the fake one, and he knows that people are gonna know it came from Joy Division so he came clean but then added to the back story.

[MusclesMarinara]

This thread is a cesspool

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

[close]

isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

This ^

[Francis Xavier]

Jamie is just an OG edgelord that loves to fail and use it as a story for his next interview

[Allen.]

Don’t forget Pixar. Front salad, back salad, front blunt.

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im not fallen for this

zero interest in those pebble catchers

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Wonder if they come in a black box

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Until they are released to the public, it will remain a mystery

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I don't want to be a $lave of his business

I wouldn't wear these shoes to a monster truck rally, much less a wedding

[Too Young for Slappies]

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

[close]

isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

Fully agree with you. Not arguing or disagreeing with the points in this thread. I think we are all feeling similar and adding on observations and thoughts. Do I think Jamie is a NAZI? No. Do I think he purposely chooses imagery that has been appropriated by hate groups, No.

He is a moron who steals ideas, doesn't do research, doesn't learn from his mistakes and possibly in that sociaopath realm of thinking it is all ok and he is invincible or some shit. I can't possibly imagine being as uncreative as him when there are so many opportunities to be creative instead of stealing everything.

But what I really canot fathom is this. If i were to start a brand, let's take Mystery since it was so long ago. If I were to start a brand and people informed me that my logo can be linked to the SS and the Holocaust. I would be fucking mortified and it would be changed immediately. I think most normal people would be mortified and deeply apologetic. and especially more careful moving forward.

Maybe some people wouldn't be as mortified about getting called out on ripping off Smashing Pumpkins, Kiss, Detroit Rock City, etc. But many also would and perhaps change their trajectory for how they get "inspiration" for brands too after.

So you have this dude, who has more of these types of incidents or issues or coincidences with sketchy logos and names than anyone in skateboarding has ever had, yet he keeps going. He doesn't research what he is doing, he doesn't try and improve or steer clear. Warsaw is a pretty easy one to know might be a problem. Especially if you are basing it off music you love so much, you know it's ties to the Holocaust. A normal person would be so much more careful moving forward.

So the question really is why does he persist? Why doesn't he change his course? Apologize? Do more research? Ask around? Anything? Does he ever feel weird or bad? Does he ever feel foolish? I'm not into forced apologies or even cancelling but its perplexing how brazen or clueless or both that he is.

Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up. maybe i missed something but i also think anyone here calling anyone "righteous" in an insulting way is pot calling the kettle black to the fullest extent.

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

[close]

isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

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Fully agree with you. Not arguing or disagreeing with the points in this thread. I think we are all feeling similar and adding on observations and thoughts. Do I think Jamie is a NAZI? No. Do I think he purposely chooses imagery that has been appropriated by hate groups, No.

He is a moron who steals ideas, doesn't do research, doesn't learn from his mistakes and possibly in that sociaopath realm of thinking it is all ok and he is invincible or some shit. I can't possibly imagine being as uncreative as him when there are so many opportunities to be creative instead of stealing everything.

But what I really canot fathom is this. If i were to start a brand, let's take Mystery since it was so long ago. If I were to start a brand and people informed me that my logo can be linked to the SS and the Holocaust. I would be fucking mortified and it would be changed immediately. I think most normal people would be mortified and deeply apologetic. and especially more careful moving forward.

Maybe some people wouldn't be as mortified about getting called out on ripping off Smashing Pumpkins, Kiss, Detroit Rock City, etc. But many also would and perhaps change their trajectory for how they get "inspiration" for brands too after.

So you have this dude, who has more of these types of incidents or issues or coincidences with sketchy logos and names than anyone in skateboarding has ever had, yet he keeps going. He doesn't research what he is doing, he doesn't try and improve or steer clear. Warsaw is a pretty easy one to know might be a problem. Especially if you are basing it off music you love so much, you know it's ties to the Holocaust. A normal person would be so much more careful moving forward.

So the question really is why does he persist? Why doesn't he change his course? Apologize? Do more research? Ask around? Anything? Does he ever feel weird or bad? Does he ever feel foolish? I'm not into forced apologies or even cancelling but its perplexing how brazen or clueless or both that he is.

Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up. maybe i missed something but i also think anyone here calling anyone "righteous" in an insulting way is pot calling the kettle black to the fullest extent.

If nobody told him/he didn't listen when they said that making another shoe brand was a terrible idea, why would anyone's input matter when it comes to the name, logo, or marketing?

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

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isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

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Fully agree with you. Not arguing or disagreeing with the points in this thread. I think we are all feeling similar and adding on observations and thoughts. Do I think Jamie is a NAZI? No. Do I think he purposely chooses imagery that has been appropriated by hate groups, No.

He is a moron who steals ideas, doesn't do research, doesn't learn from his mistakes and possibly in that sociaopath realm of thinking it is all ok and he is invincible or some shit. I can't possibly imagine being as uncreative as him when there are so many opportunities to be creative instead of stealing everything.

But what I really canot fathom is this. If i were to start a brand, let's take Mystery since it was so long ago. If I were to start a brand and people informed me that my logo can be linked to the SS and the Holocaust. I would be fucking mortified and it would be changed immediately. I think most normal people would be mortified and deeply apologetic. and especially more careful moving forward.

Maybe some people wouldn't be as mortified about getting called out on ripping off Smashing Pumpkins, Kiss, Detroit Rock City, etc. But many also would and perhaps change their trajectory for how they get "inspiration" for brands too after.

So you have this dude, who has more of these types of incidents or issues or coincidences with sketchy logos and names than anyone in skateboarding has ever had, yet he keeps going. He doesn't research what he is doing, he doesn't try and improve or steer clear. Warsaw is a pretty easy one to know might be a problem. Especially if you are basing it off music you love so much, you know it's ties to the Holocaust. A normal person would be so much more careful moving forward.

So the question really is why does he persist? Why doesn't he change his course? Apologize? Do more research? Ask around? Anything? Does he ever feel weird or bad? Does he ever feel foolish? I'm not into forced apologies or even cancelling but its perplexing how brazen or clueless or both that he is.

Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up. maybe i missed something but i also think anyone here calling anyone "righteous" in an insulting way is pot calling the kettle black to the fullest extent.

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If nobody told him/he didn't listen when they said that making another shoe brand was a terrible idea, why would anyone's input matter when it comes to the name, logo, or marketing?

Anyone left in Jamie's circles are fully sycophantic or dick riding for some odd reason. No way anyone said it was a bad idea to his face. As for the rest, true, but again this is coming from the public, hundreds/thousands of people. Seems like it would be so embarrassing to be constantly affiliated / call out for using white supremacist -related imagery and profiting off it. But again, true sociopaths/narcissists don't really feel shame or embarrassment and they often feel they are above the "laws" of society, that they are an exception.

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

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isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

I'll add this one since I noticed this happen after George Floyd...In the Architecture and Contractor world that I work in, they no longer use the term "Master" Bedroom.  People have avoided using it in all plans that I have to review, and has been replaced with a more accepted "primary bedroom".  also being black, when I saw or heard "Master Bedroom" I would always do the eye roll because I never understood why that had to include it for the bedroom designations...Im pretty glad that people aren't using it anymore.

[Skateboard Shuffle]

If it's hot enough to take your shirt off it's too hot to wear a beanie

Maybe he's like Tobias Fünke but with a beanie instead of cut-off jeans.

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

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isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

[close]

And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

[close]

That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

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I'll add this one since I noticed this happen after George Floyd...In the Architecture and Contractor world that I work in, they no longer use the term "Master" Bedroom.  People have avoided using it in all plans that I have to review, and has been replaced with a more accepted "primary bedroom".  also being black, when I saw or heard "Master Bedroom" I would always do the eye roll because I never understood why that had to include it for the bedroom designations...Im pretty glad that people aren't using it anymore.

Kinda my point. Not difficult to avoid this shit but he keeps doing it. No one needs to say "master" just like no one needs a brand to be named Warsaw just like a logo doesn't need to be something that white supremacists use. Jamie will never know what its like to be a black man and feel the way you do. But given his position in skateboarding and the fact that he is profiting from it and the fact that its happened before he could at least make a little fucking effort to avoid things that might make others uncomfortable or even make them have to think about  the dark pasts related to their race or ethnicity, etc. Instead he's just fine being like "oh fuck it it looks so cool and I need to steal everything from music and I don't mean it 'that way' so who cares about anyone else"

as a white person who is empathic towards anyone who is the victim of racism i dont want to see any of it either. its just so fucking crazy that he can't figure all this out. or maybe he just has no feelings unless they are about himself.

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I'll just addendum my own shit and say that i guess if you are out there banging tommy g's girl, sponsoring dudes you have seen screenshots of doing pedo shit online, protecting and paying and abusers while ignoring the abuser's victims pleas for help, perhaps your moral compass is too fucked to even comprehend any sort of racial tolerance within branding.

its not that we don't know the answers, its just baffling that he continues being that dude no matter what.

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I don't think anyone mentioned SLAVE yet. But when you add it to this list of sketchy logos and names and references and the it sure doesn't help. I realize it might not have been "his" brand entirely (I think?) but he helped fund it and distribute and profited from it, etc.

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isn't $lave co-owned or co-founded by some black dude named j-hon or something?

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And isn't the name supposed to mean something like "slave for the money"

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That's one "interpretation" however still not what people think of when the word "slave" is used.

The word "holocaust" has its own definition and isn't specific to THE Holocaust. However I wouldn't name a brand that and then have to explain "oh but i mean it differently bro!"

The same thing for WarSaw. Why name a brand something that has a sketchy connotation then you end up having to explain it all the time? Why repeatedly choose logos related to white supremacy? Weird.

Again, just a lot of questionable things that pile up with this dude. Its never ending.

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Plenty of things had iffy racial connotations that people rethought after George Floyd/Ferguson.   The Holocaust is only really used in one context, slave has many literal and symbolic uses and the Ke$ha-fication of the name makes it clear what the brand is referencing. 

Jamie is just a guy who rips off rock n roll and metal bands and fonts and a lot of those bands (like Joy Division being previously known as Warsaw — as if Joy Division doesn’t have a likely worse association) used iffy imagery whether they really understand the impact.   It just looks cool to them and thus to Jamie. 

Im no fan of Jamie, but no one’s usual hen clucking as he gets in his righteous indignation lather is a bit much.  Jamie’s a 50 y/o high school drop out from Alabama.   We really think he has any historical grasp?

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I'll add this one since I noticed this happen after George Floyd...In the Architecture and Contractor world that I work in, they no longer use the term "Master" Bedroom.  People have avoided using it in all plans that I have to review, and has been replaced with a more accepted "primary bedroom".  also being black, when I saw or heard "Master Bedroom" I would always do the eye roll because I never understood why that had to include it for the bedroom designations...Im pretty glad that people aren't using it anymore.

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Kinda my point. Not difficult to avoid this shit but he keeps doing it. No one needs to say "master" just like no one needs a brand to be named Warsaw just like a logo doesn't need to be something that white supremacists use. Jamie will never know what its like to be a black man and feel the way you do. But given his position in skateboarding and the fact that he is profiting from it and the fact that its happened before he could at least make a little fucking effort to avoid things that might make others uncomfortable or even make them have to think about  the dark pasts related to their race or ethnicity, etc. Instead he's just fine being like "oh fuck it it looks so cool and I need to steal everything from music and I don't mean it 'that way' so who cares about anyone else"

as a white person who is empathic towards anyone who is the victim of racism i dont want to see any of it either. its just so fucking crazy that he can't figure all this out. or maybe he just has no feelings unless they are about himself.

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I'll just addendum my own shit and say that i guess if you are out there banging tommy g's girl, sponsoring dudes you have seen screenshots of doing pedo shit online, protecting and paying and abusers while ignoring the abuser's victims pleas for help, perhaps your moral compass is too fucked to even comprehend any sort of racial tolerance within branding.

its not that we don't know the answers, its just baffling that he continues being that dude no matter what.

Im late to this thread discussion but yeah naming your company slave or warsaw is some lame shit...I didn't even stop to think he was naming it after a polish city and immediately thought warsaw pact

[Mallie]

Im not sure about the no one thing? I never brought him up.

Why do we always have to have the same "no one? Who? Me?" song and dance before fessing up to it, Robbo?

OT - Chief's a twat and shoes are Asos level at worst/Pull & Bear level at best.

[Francis Xavier]

JT should've been cancelled a long time ago