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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2026, 12:56:30 AM »
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-Indy 1978, and then the Stage 7 which moved the holes to the new closer together configuration that we use now in 1993
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I think Venture were the first to actually have six hole baseplates, closely followed by other brands, but yes around 1993 is the first year more commonly credited with the change.  When you think about it, Ermico was the place in SF where Indy, Thunder and Venture were all being made, so I think as soon as one truck brand got six hole baseplates, the others would follow soon enough.

For sure Venture was the first in 92

Though I've seen some catalogs from late 92 where stage 6 indys started to be called 146 instead of 149, I think to allude to the 6-hole baseplates. And then they released the 8 inch indys(136) in 93. And yeah them all being made in the same place, for sure makes sense how fast the others would get it too. Venture had the first truck designed straight up for street skating as far as I know

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2026, 09:00:15 AM »
I wonder what the shapes of the boards were like over the years.. For example, I have the impression that in the years 2005 to 2010 (my first years of skating), the boards looked like be much shorter in length and I have the impression that the wb 14 was much more present ? No ?

Today the standard is 14.25 and many more long boards than short boards.

Curious to know the main “fashionable” shape of each board through each year..


Revisiting an old question that never got fully fleshed out.

In early and mid '80s, decks had huge wheelbases. 15" to 16.25". Viewed in the context of history, this isn't too surprising. Vert was the main game, and, well, you want a bigger, more stable wheelbase for vert. The per se "street" deck wasn't really it's own distinct thing yet, and all of the "street" boards that did exist were based-off vert boards. For example, the first Vision Mark Gonzales deck had a 16.25" wb. Early Natas decks had a 15.5" wb. And I can't stress this one enough, NO ONE considered wheelbase as "thing" back then.

Someone already posted it, but it also can't be stressed how much of a game changer that Chris Miller deck was. And it's kind of wild to think a vert skater came-up with an innovation that would have more impact in the streets (e.g. an up-turned nose--Oddly, Rodney was kind of tuned-in to this already, but he didn't run with it. He often did tricks off the nose of his freestyle board (e.g. board backwards), because he realized the tail (when acting as the "nose") could be used as a "hook" to help get more board control and lift). People FREAKED when they first saw that Chris Miller deck, because it was it look SO WEIRD. But then they skated it, and the light went on.

I can't remember when, but very late 80s / very early 90s is when double-drilled decks started coming out (e.g. so you could make longer/shorter nose/wheelbase). I think this was originally just so people could have a longer nose, but a by-product of this, was that wheelbase started to become part of the collective consciousness, because people realized when they set a board to a "bigger nose," that it became easier for other things. Why? Shorter wheelbase. During this period, things were all over the place with wheelbase lengths.

Late 1992 into early 1993 is when everything dramatically changed. Wheelbases around then went down to 14" (with some at like 13.75, too), and hovered there for quite awhile. I should also mention tail nose/tail lengths were shorter during this period, too. The average tail length was like 6", with some being like 5.8, too. I think, historically, this makes some sense. Boards were super flat and low to the ground. If you have a very low, flat board, and long tail, you're going to have a serious pop problem. So, lengths of kicks were shorter to compensate for this. I was doing a lot b/s tailslides then, and I hated the shorter tails, because I wanted more tail to slide on. I was also working at a shop then, and I refused to ride any deck that had a tail under 6"...I distinctly remember measuring the tail of every board I got to assure it was at least 6" long...and sometimes it wasn't easy to find one (I was riding a lot of Alien decks then). Eventually, when wheels started getting bigger again, tails also started getting longer (again), too. It's worth pointing out that with shorter wheelbases, and shorter kicks, the overall lengths of the decks were much shorter, too.     

In terms of popular "shapes" through the years, a great way to see this, is too look at www.Artofskateboarding.com. Do a board/price search based off a given pro (that has been around for awhile), and you can see how their deck shapes evolved with time. Caballero and Mike V. are actually two really good ones to use, because they have both been around forever, and you can really see the evolution of deck shapes in one place/person, from 1980 to the present.   
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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2026, 10:23:22 AM »
I feel like mid 80s to 90 or so was a key period for equipment evolution.

As mentioned SC speedwheels were untouchable. To this day, I don't think we've had urethane as good.

NHS must still have the formula, maybe its too expensive to be worth making?

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2026, 10:26:54 AM »

My personal favs were OJ Freezstreets.


I have a set. 57mm/92a.
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« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2026, 10:31:42 AM »
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My personal favs were OJ Freezstreets.

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I have a set. 57mm/92a.

Amazing. I think we may have discussed this before....  ::) 95a was my preferred duro back then. Freezstreets and Teamriders.


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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2026, 10:44:44 AM »
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My personal favs were OJ Freezstreets.

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I have a set. 57mm/92a.
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Amazing. I think we may have discussed this before....  ::) 95a was my preferred duro back then. Freezstreets and Teamriders.

That is exactly why I still have these. I ended up with a set of 95a, and never looked back on the 92s...but never gave them away / threw them out, etc. I have them set-up on this. Stage 5 Indys, too. I occasionally ride it, but mostly it just sits in the corner and looks pretty.

And when I do ride it, I quickly stop, because it's horrible, and I'm duly astonished at the things people were able to do on boards like this.
 




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« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2026, 10:46:34 AM »
So sick.

Do you roll around on those at all?

Loved the Street razors also.

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2026, 10:51:45 AM »
So sick.

Do you roll around on those at all?

Loved the Street razors also.

See my post above. I edited/updated it with that info right as you were posting this.
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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2026, 11:14:23 AM »
i have skated a lot of powerll peralta re-issue boards from the 80s and most of them are completely flat, so that was why i wasn't sure when the concaved boards started happening, or at least to the extent we have now. it seems like they started with just a very minimal concave and they slowly started getting crazier and crazier, to the point somewhere we wanted to start going flatter again. it does make sense with how we have made the adjustments with our kicks over the years.
 
the chris miller schmitt stix - this is the first acutal pronounced nose that is more like 3-4" instead of like .5" ? lol

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« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2026, 11:53:24 AM »
i have skated a lot of powerll peralta re-issue boards from the 80s and most of them are completely flat, so that was why i wasn't sure when the concaved boards started happening, or at least to the extent we have now. it seems like they started with just a very minimal concave and they slowly started getting crazier and crazier, to the point somewhere we wanted to start going flatter again. it does make sense with how we have made the adjustments with our kicks over the years.
 
the chris miller schmitt stix - this is the first acutal pronounced nose that is more like 3-4" instead of like .5" ? lol

So, here is some super nerd tech shit I've always want to go real deep on, but never have. That said, I've done some cursory "research" on this. I have a theory that "pop angle" on boards has actually not changed much over the decades, but just the way that we get there has.

First, what I mean by "pop angle" is roughly the angle a board is at when the tail makes contact with the ground.

In the 80s, boards were super flat. They were also really tall. 1/2" risers, and big-ass wheels.
Early 90s, boards were also really flat, and very close to the ground...with shorter tails.
Now, we have mid-sized trucks, wheels, and kicks.
My theory is that the "pop angle" on all of these is actually pretty close to each other. I could be totally wrong, but...


The Chris Miller...I found that quote I was thinking about, it was an interview with the Ride Channel.

My Schmitt board was famous for being the first board with an upturned nose that was long. It started that trend towards modern boards. I can't take credit for it. It was going to happen whether Schmitt did it or someone else. But the other side is that Schmitt did do it first. He came to me and said, “I have an idea for your new shape,”  and it was about the mold and all that. At first, I didn’t like it aesthetically, but I was the first person to do backside lipslides on vert and I went from a G&S board with basically no nose—think about coming in from a backside lipslide, where you need a little nose to bring yourself in—to the Schmitt shape, and it was a game-changer for me. I loved that board, and we're only talking four or five inches of nose. If you look at it now, it's a tiny little nose, but then it was crazy-looking.”

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2026, 01:09:58 PM »
Goddamn I love this thread and Sedition is right on the money.

Also that exact guerrero is my favorite powell board by far

I was gonna come back to say the miller board was for coming back in from disasters and lipslides but they beat me to it.

Didn't he also found adio and expedition one?

That pic I posted earlier is from the Smithsonian.


I'm gonna build up one of those light blue guerrero sword boards with pizza tape, truss head bolts, 3/8" cell blocks, stage fours, rat bones, GMN bearings, and a dead Kennedys sticker! Maybe I'll paint pen something on the grip too, perhaps "if Stuart could talk, what would he say?"

Could do reissue speed wheels instead of rat bones too

Might also put a Vandals sticker on there.

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2026, 01:42:04 PM »
so it wasnt even meant to pop off of, really just to keep your foot better on, and lift you back in on the ramp. pretty genius actually.

i can see mullen was already doing nollie tricks in 1986 but the nose on that board looks pretty flat. the chris miller board didnt come out til 1988. it also looks quite flat but not competely. there is a top view of it on the smithsonian site.

So that barnyard board was sort of the first board to combine everything together. Was that a twin nose board technically i wonder?

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« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2026, 01:58:16 PM »
so it wasnt even meant to pop off of, really just to keep your foot better on, and lift you back in on the ramp. pretty genius actually.

i can see mullen was already doing nollie tricks in 1986 but the nose on that board looks pretty flat. the chris miller board didnt come out til 1988. it also looks quite flat but not competely. there is a top view of it on the smithsonian site.

So that barnyard board was sort of the first board to combine everything together. Was that a twin nose board technically i wonder?

There was actually a Vision doiuble-tail before both, but world was NOT ready for it yet.

Barnyard was not a twin. Nose was a bit shorter than tail.
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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2026, 02:16:04 PM »
Loving this thread.
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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2026, 08:48:02 PM »
so it wasnt even meant to pop off of, really just to keep your foot better on, and lift you back in on the ramp. pretty genius actually.

i can see mullen was already doing nollie tricks in 1986 but the nose on that board looks pretty flat. the chris miller board didnt come out til 1988. it also looks quite flat but not competely. there is a top view of it on the smithsonian site.

So that barnyard board was sort of the first board to combine everything together. Was that a twin nose board technically i wonder?

If you go and watch old contest videos up to about 85/86 you’ll see when people did disaster type tricks they’d grab their tail and lift back in in the pig era.
Just going to drop this in here as well since I’m not sure what Miller deck you guys are talking about but Blockhead had the streetstyle in 86 that had a pretty big nose(may have been double drilled but not sure and not going digging right now) but, it was a street deck so only about 9” wide so vert guys weren’t into that at all then.

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Blockhead streetstyle was made in 85 and had a 4” nose and not double drilled

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2026, 08:51:00 PM »

If you go and watch old contest videos up to about 85/86 you’ll see when people did disaster type tricks they’d grab their tail and lift back in in the pig era.


Also one of the reasons "lappers" existed.
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« Reply #77 on: May 13, 2026, 08:52:02 PM »
Correct.

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« Reply #78 on: May 13, 2026, 09:03:31 PM »
I feel the urge to drop this photo right here,



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« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2026, 06:34:35 AM »
I wonder was the first one to make the nose actually longer than the tail?
In 1990 Fall CCS catalogue, it looks like all the boards still have a shorter nose than tail.

But in the 1990 Winter Catalogue there may be one board at least that has a longer nose than tail:

https://archive.org/details/ccs-1990-winter/page/n3/mode/2up

There is Jeff Kendall board on page 6 that looks like the nose is longer than the tail.
The following page has the "Double Vision" deck - likely the first twin kick board ever as you guys were saying. Looks almost exactly like Andy Anderson's board.

In 1991 there is also a "Jinx" double kick, not sure if also twin kick dimensions.

In Summer 1991 catalogue of CCS, pretty much all the boards switched from longer nose than tail. 

This is a cool board i never knew about:
https://www.juliensauctions.com/en/items/2050741/tony-hawk-1991-powell-peralta-pictograph-skateboard-deck
This is almost like a Hockey Board

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« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2026, 11:06:45 AM »
I've seen that Tony hawk one before, pretty cool

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2026, 09:57:22 PM »
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I feel like mid 80s to 90 or so was a key period for equipment evolution.

As mentioned SC speedwheels were untouchable. To this day, I don't think we've had urethane as good.
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NHS must still have the formula, maybe its too expensive to be worth making?

Or is it the EPA regulations? They cannot manufacture them like they used to?

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« Reply #82 on: May 15, 2026, 12:13:47 AM »
I wonder was the first one to make the nose actually longer than the tail?
In 1990 Fall CCS catalogue, it looks like all the boards still have a shorter nose than tail.

But in the 1990 Winter Catalogue there may be one board at least that has a longer nose than tail:

https://archive.org/details/ccs-1990-winter/page/n3/mode/2up

There is Jeff Kendall board on page 6 that looks like the nose is longer than the tail.
The following page has the "Double Vision" deck - likely the first twin kick board ever as you guys were saying. Looks almost exactly like Andy Anderson's board.

In 1991 there is also a "Jinx" double kick, not sure if also twin kick dimensions.

In Summer 1991 catalogue of CCS, pretty much all the boards switched from longer nose than tail. 

This is a cool board i never knew about:
https://www.juliensauctions.com/en/items/2050741/tony-hawk-1991-powell-peralta-pictograph-skateboard-deck
This is almost like a Hockey Board


Not sure who actually produced the first board with longer nose than tail, but Mark Gonzales might have played a role. I read somewhere that he had drilled the front truck holes back on the board that he rode in the Honolulu mini-ramp contest in '89. In the footage you can get a glimps of the length of the nose. Way longer than on most other boards.

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/videos/classics-gonz-s-hawaii-contest-run/#more-videos

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #83 on: May 15, 2026, 06:26:04 AM »
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I wonder was the first one to make the nose actually longer than the tail?
In 1990 Fall CCS catalogue, it looks like all the boards still have a shorter nose than tail.

But in the 1990 Winter Catalogue there may be one board at least that has a longer nose than tail:

https://archive.org/details/ccs-1990-winter/page/n3/mode/2up

There is Jeff Kendall board on page 6 that looks like the nose is longer than the tail.
The following page has the "Double Vision" deck - likely the first twin kick board ever as you guys were saying. Looks almost exactly like Andy Anderson's board.

In 1991 there is also a "Jinx" double kick, not sure if also twin kick dimensions.

In Summer 1991 catalogue of CCS, pretty much all the boards switched from longer nose than tail. 

This is a cool board i never knew about:
https://www.juliensauctions.com/en/items/2050741/tony-hawk-1991-powell-peralta-pictograph-skateboard-deck
This is almost like a Hockey Board

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Not sure who actually produced the first board with longer nose than tail, but Mark Gonzales might have played a role. I read somewhere that he had drilled the front truck holes back on the board that he rode in the Honolulu mini-ramp contest in '89. In the footage you can get a glimps of the length of the nose. Way longer than on most other boards.

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/videos/classics-gonz-s-hawaii-contest-run/#more-videos

I was so jealous my friend copped this before me. We had a rule, no two of the same decks in the posse.


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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #84 on: May 15, 2026, 12:40:58 PM »
Here’s some Think, Real, and Stereo boards from '93 all hovering around 31” There’s a Dan Drehobl there at 30” !!

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjcKZ2e3ZPByprZwosWnygi-gr_bNH0_Mtme47eMoy0JOjvPB_nYpckuFphKDPfIpzJoLDR2MH8gb2p21d5hKMP8Lseht2F7t3LZWEFY5X95lIvavmoz8yeWI9OfvIko2Q_mUXlyWsnAY/s1600/ccs199304.jpg

So maybe '93 is when boards were smallest? Based off some of those CCS catalogs. Here's another link I grabbed from another thread from '94 where the boards are mostly 31.5"

https://vertisdead.blogspot.com/2016/09/california-cheap-skates-1994.html?m=1

These are incredible. I think the best skating I've ever done in my life was on 7.62s now that I think about it. The 7.75 was my old reliable for ages but that was later on. A Neighborhood at 7.38x30.88 how lengthy, Sonic 7.25x30.75, a CCS 7.31x30.25, Foundation board at a slightly wider (supposedly) 7.38x30.25 and another at a whopping 7.25x30.25!

I would enthusiastically set up all of those right now! I certainly remember the sub 7.5 Alien boards, I had several. I also remember them snapping. The 7.62 all the way up to 7.75 was perfect for me. Well back then anyway. At some point in my life my bag of flip tricks sprung a leak.

A 7.3 sounds so interesting. A gateway drug to freestyle boards? Oh god. Instead of the old guy skating transition and curbs am I going to be in the parking lot corner doing rail stands?

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« Reply #85 on: May 15, 2026, 04:58:01 PM »
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Here’s some Think, Real, and Stereo boards from '93 all hovering around 31” There’s a Dan Drehobl there at 30” !!

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjcKZ2e3ZPByprZwosWnygi-gr_bNH0_Mtme47eMoy0JOjvPB_nYpckuFphKDPfIpzJoLDR2MH8gb2p21d5hKMP8Lseht2F7t3LZWEFY5X95lIvavmoz8yeWI9OfvIko2Q_mUXlyWsnAY/s1600/ccs199304.jpg

So maybe '93 is when boards were smallest? Based off some of those CCS catalogs. Here's another link I grabbed from another thread from '94 where the boards are mostly 31.5"

https://vertisdead.blogspot.com/2016/09/california-cheap-skates-1994.html?m=1
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These are incredible. I think the best skating I've ever done in my life was on 7.62s now that I think about it. The 7.75 was my old reliable for ages but that was later on. A Neighborhood at 7.38x30.88 how lengthy, Sonic 7.25x30.75, a CCS 7.31x30.25, Foundation board at a slightly wider (supposedly) 7.38x30.25 and another at a whopping 7.25x30.25!

I would enthusiastically set up all of those right now! I certainly remember the sub 7.5 Alien boards, I had several. I also remember them snapping. The 7.62 all the way up to 7.75 was perfect for me. Well back then anyway. At some point in my life my bag of flip tricks sprung a leak.

A 7.3 sounds so interesting. A gateway drug to freestyle boards? Oh god. Instead of the old guy skating transition and curbs am I going to be in the parking lot corner doing rail stands?


A funny thing with smaller boards, but a friend is on a mission to set up the ultimate small board, not the Skate Mafia type of tiny board, but an actual normal board, just the smallest he can find.

I have an old AH 7.3 set up on Thunder 143 with some 48 mm wheels that has been an experimental board, but I have a few others on the way, another new AH 7.3 eagle and a couple of Real True Mid Ovals in 7.5 and 7.75 to test too.

All three of those options are in the very small board size range, all under 30" long, with dimensions to match.  Might be a bit too small for most people, but it will be fun setting them up and seeing how they go.


Some other people looking for smaller boards find it quite difficult these days to get much of anything under 8" let alone 7.5" shapes in regular supplies.


* Almost forgot to say that when they skate the smaller boards, they can do almost anything very easily, compared to a bigger board of current times.  That was one distinct benefit of the smaller and lighter boards, even if they did seem to break so much more easily back in the day.

Gone since 1988.  I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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« Reply #86 on: May 15, 2026, 05:26:17 PM »
not certain, but as to the question of the first board with a nose longer than tail i believe it was a new deal templeton. one of few upsides of being a skateboarding fossil is eitnessing so much of this change first hand. i remember holding that first double vision and having a sense of the possibilities it opened, but, also having no interest in riding one. think story is chuck holtz is credited for making that mold and that rocco later bribed someone to liberate the mold from vision to use at world.

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« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2026, 07:22:15 PM »
I wonder was the first one to make the nose actually longer than the tail?
In 1990 Fall CCS catalogue, it looks like all the boards still have a shorter nose than tail.

But in the 1990 Winter Catalogue there may be one board at least that has a longer nose than tail:

https://archive.org/details/ccs-1990-winter/page/n3/mode/2up

There is Jeff Kendall board on page 6 that looks like the nose is longer than the tail.
The following page has the "Double Vision" deck - likely the first twin kick board ever as you guys were saying. Looks almost exactly like Andy Anderson's board.

In 1991 there is also a "Jinx" double kick, not sure if also twin kick dimensions.

In Summer 1991 catalogue of CCS, pretty much all the boards switched from longer nose than tail. 

This is a cool board i never knew about:
https://www.juliensauctions.com/en/items/2050741/tony-hawk-1991-powell-peralta-pictograph-skateboard-deck
This is almost like a Hockey Board
Awh distribution used to have open houses every spring and they had palettes of that Tony hawk board and also a Frankie hill Powell board with Van Gogh,s cut off ear and the Edward munch scream painting top graphic for like $30. This was around 2004. Also old Powell wheels like cross bones etc for cheap. Was pretty cool and my friend got a few of them. I didn’t as I was buying for a shop and no way you are moving Powell shit in 2004

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« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2026, 09:12:58 PM »
not certain, but as to the question of the first board with a nose longer than tail i believe it was a new deal templeton. one of few upsides of being a skateboarding fossil is eitnessing so much of this change first hand. i remember holding that first double vision and having a sense of the possibilities it opened, but, also having no interest in riding one. think story is chuck holtz is credited for making that mold and that rocco later bribed someone to liberate the mold from vision to use at world.

Pretty sure you’re right about Templton have the first longer nose than tail(could be remembering wrong though), but you’re correct about Hultz doing the mold and Rocco having it stolen. I saw an interview where he was talking about that a while back.

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« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2026, 07:07:33 AM »
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Here’s some Think, Real, and Stereo boards from '93 all hovering around 31” There’s a Dan Drehobl there at 30” !!

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjcKZ2e3ZPByprZwosWnygi-gr_bNH0_Mtme47eMoy0JOjvPB_nYpckuFphKDPfIpzJoLDR2MH8gb2p21d5hKMP8Lseht2F7t3LZWEFY5X95lIvavmoz8yeWI9OfvIko2Q_mUXlyWsnAY/s1600/ccs199304.jpg

So maybe '93 is when boards were smallest? Based off some of those CCS catalogs. Here's another link I grabbed from another thread from '94 where the boards are mostly 31.5"

https://vertisdead.blogspot.com/2016/09/california-cheap-skates-1994.html?m=1
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These are incredible. I think the best skating I've ever done in my life was on 7.62s now that I think about it. The 7.75 was my old reliable for ages but that was later on. A Neighborhood at 7.38x30.88 how lengthy, Sonic 7.25x30.75, a CCS 7.31x30.25, Foundation board at a slightly wider (supposedly) 7.38x30.25 and another at a whopping 7.25x30.25!

I would enthusiastically set up all of those right now! I certainly remember the sub 7.5 Alien boards, I had several. I also remember them snapping. The 7.62 all the way up to 7.75 was perfect for me. Well back then anyway. At some point in my life my bag of flip tricks sprung a leak.

A 7.3 sounds so interesting. A gateway drug to freestyle boards? Oh god. Instead of the old guy skating transition and curbs am I going to be in the parking lot corner doing rail stands?
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A funny thing with smaller boards, but a friend is on a mission to set up the ultimate small board, not the Skate Mafia type of tiny board, but an actual normal board, just the smallest he can find.

I have an old AH 7.3 set up on Thunder 143 with some 48 mm wheels that has been an experimental board, but I have a few others on the way, another new AH 7.3 eagle and a couple of Real True Mid Ovals in 7.5 and 7.75 to test too.

All three of those options are in the very small board size range, all under 30" long, with dimensions to match.  Might be a bit too small for most people, but it will be fun setting them up and seeing how they go.


Some other people looking for smaller boards find it quite difficult these days to get much of anything under 8" let alone 7.5" shapes in regular supplies.


* Almost forgot to say that when they skate the smaller boards, they can do almost anything very easily, compared to a bigger board of current times.  That was one distinct benefit of the smaller and lighter boards, even if they did seem to break so much more easily back in the day.

Hell yeah. I was tired of lugging my Orange Eagle up 5 flights of stairs at work so couple years ago I got one of these and set it up as a cruiser on Thunder 145s with a set of OG Cadillac/Road Rider-style reissues (56mm/78A). Super fun, exhilaratingly scary when you hit a patch of rough ground at high speed. I also put Lil’ Smokies 48mm Tablets on it when I bring it out for the kids to ride at family barbecues.

Mine still has a little life in it (these are both old photos), but I noticed that sometime in the past year they took about an inch off the length and wheelbase. It’s now 28.5/11.9 instead of the old 29.3/12.9, so I imagine it’s going to be a pretty wild ride when I have to finally replace it.

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