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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #270 on: January 23, 2025, 03:29:51 PM »
I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but voting ain’t gonna do shit.  The game is rigged and we already lost.  It’s over
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #271 on: January 23, 2025, 03:36:43 PM »
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While people are blaming theoretical protest non-voters, I haven't once heard anyone talk about the demographic shifts that occurred in this last election cycle. Here's a piece, it's NPR, but worth looking at

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5199119/2024-election-exit-polls-demographics-black-latino-voters.

I'm not a statistician but the argument being presented, that this administration is the fault of those who may have, in other times voted D, but chose to cast no vote this round, may be disqualified by the numbers showing the D's failure to both maintain and gain voters, much of those being what some call "minority voters."

Why aren't y'all openly casting blame on black men, latinx, asian american, and arab american voters for leaving the Democratic party; for what some might say is "voting against their own/best interests"? What I'm seeing here on slap is that rather than being the fault of the party, the fucking capitalist class with a D on their name tags, who NEVER vote against their own IMMEDIATE interests, who have refused to run a popular candidate in 3 election cycles, the current administration is the fault of citizenry who may or may have not voted D because they felt disenfranchised and lied to.

@EdLawndale

We do such things because we're in it every single day, not because we're training for a big showdown. We do them because we are decent human beings who know that the support systems outside our control are designed to fail. We see these things not as "extracurricular," but as important aspects of our daily existence.
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i asked these two hispanic dudes (young 20s) from harlem that i worked with at an old job about the word "latinx". they said the only ppl that say that are white kids from the suburbs and white-washed hispanic kids.
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Cool story, bro.

...And?

What other life-changing pearls of wisdom did these world-weary twenty-something Harlemites impart upon you?

didn't change my life in the least. i was never one to say "latinx" in the first place.

anyway, don't kook the messenger - just thought i'd share what your target audience thinks of your language. apologies for triggering you.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #272 on: January 23, 2025, 03:45:06 PM »
So if there's ever another election, and it's not completely rigged at its core, AOC running in 2028 could be the vibe.  Apparently she's been planning it for years and could be the heel turn the dems need to at least start pushing away from the right.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #273 on: January 23, 2025, 05:09:00 PM »
So if there's ever another election, and it's not completely rigged at its core, AOC running in 2028 could be the vibe.  Apparently she's been planning it for years and could be the heel turn the dems need to at least start pushing away from the right.
It's what makes sense. She was the Dem who split the ticket in her district and won in spite of it otherwise going for Trump. Of course, the Dems have botched this shit over pettiness before and I don't think they've learned anything from that last drubbing.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #274 on: January 23, 2025, 05:54:12 PM »
While people are blaming theoretical protest non-voters, I haven't once heard anyone talk about the demographic shifts that occurred in this last election cycle. Here's a piece, it's NPR, but worth looking at

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5199119/2024-election-exit-polls-demographics-black-latino-voters.

I'm not a statistician but the argument being presented, that this administration is the fault of those who may have, in other times voted D, but chose to cast no vote this round, may be disqualified by the numbers showing the D's failure to both maintain and gain voters, much of those being what some call "minority voters."

Why aren't y'all openly casting blame on black men, latinx, asian american, and arab american voters for leaving the Democratic party; for what some might say is "voting against their own/best interests"? What I'm seeing here on slap is that rather than being the fault of the party, the fucking capitalist class with a D on their name tags, who NEVER vote against their own IMMEDIATE interests, who have refused to run a popular candidate in 3 election cycles, the current administration is the fault of citizenry who may or may have not voted D because they felt disenfranchised and lied to.

@EdLawndale

We do such things because we're in it every single day, not because we're training for a big showdown. We do them because we are decent human beings who know that the support systems outside our control are designed to fail. We see these things not as "extracurricular," but as important aspects of our daily existence.

I mean, okay cool, clearly enough people agreed with you. You won. People switched sides or didn't vote.
Congratulations, I guess.
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Now what?

You're on a high horse demanding explanations from us, but you won, dude.
This is what YOU wanted. People didn't vote! The dog caught the car.
Why don't you explain to us how this is a good thing and will bring about positive change?
Put a positive spin on this...please...I fucking need one.

I think it's insincere the way you responded to Ed, as though we're not really decent humans but only trying to do good in our communities to further our odds in a contest. It was an analogy, don't be pedantic.

I answered your question about what I do besides just voting, well, what do YOU do besides NOT vote and go online to discourage others from voting?
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #276 on: January 23, 2025, 08:22:59 PM »
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-west-bank-offensive-deaths-palestinians-trump-sanctions-settlers/
Because Harris and Biden have been so good to the Palestinians during their term, especially these past 15 months. Biden could’ve ended the bloodshed in Gaza and the West Bank anytime he wanted to. Either through an arms embargo or putting tougher conditions on aid to Israel. Neither party gives a shit about Palestinians.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #277 on: January 23, 2025, 08:37:48 PM »
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While people are blaming theoretical protest non-voters, I haven't once heard anyone talk about the demographic shifts that occurred in this last election cycle. Here's a piece, it's NPR, but worth looking at

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5199119/2024-election-exit-polls-demographics-black-latino-voters.

I'm not a statistician but the argument being presented, that this administration is the fault of those who may have, in other times voted D, but chose to cast no vote this round, may be disqualified by the numbers showing the D's failure to both maintain and gain voters, much of those being what some call "minority voters."

Why aren't y'all openly casting blame on black men, latinx, asian american, and arab american voters for leaving the Democratic party; for what some might say is "voting against their own/best interests"? What I'm seeing here on slap is that rather than being the fault of the party, the fucking capitalist class with a D on their name tags, who NEVER vote against their own IMMEDIATE interests, who have refused to run a popular candidate in 3 election cycles, the current administration is the fault of citizenry who may or may have not voted D because they felt disenfranchised and lied to.

@EdLawndale

We do such things because we're in it every single day, not because we're training for a big showdown. We do them because we are decent human beings who know that the support systems outside our control are designed to fail. We see these things not as "extracurricular," but as important aspects of our daily existence.
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I mean, okay cool, clearly enough people agreed with you. You won. People switched sides or didn't vote.
Congratulations, I guess.
A white supremacist is the head of the department of defense.
"The official stance of the United States is that there are two genders" - Donald Trump
We're about to be fucked ten ways from Sunday by tariffs.
Elon Musk is at his most powerful.
Mass deportation is on the horizon.
The environment is fucking doomed.
Now what?

You're on a high horse demanding explanations from us, but you won, dude.
This is what YOU wanted. People didn't vote! The dog caught the car.
Why don't you explain to us how this is a good thing and will bring about positive change?
Put a positive spin on this...please...I fucking need one.

I think it's insincere the way you responded to Ed, as though we're not really decent humans but only trying to do good in our communities to further our odds in a contest. It was an analogy, don't be pedantic.

I answered your question about what I do besides just voting, well, what do YOU do besides NOT vote and go online to discourage others from voting?

Yeah what they said

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #278 on: January 23, 2025, 08:41:16 PM »
Because Harris and Biden have been so good to the Palestinians during their term, especially these past 15 months. Biden could’ve ended the bloodshed in Gaza and the West Bank anytime he wanted to. Either through an arms embargo or putting tougher conditions on aid to Israel. Neither party gives a shit about Palestinians.

Rhetorically, she didn’t do much to distance herself, but let’s not pretend Kamala actually had any input into what was going on in the Middle East

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #279 on: January 23, 2025, 08:58:08 PM »

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #280 on: January 23, 2025, 11:48:50 PM »
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While people are blaming theoretical protest non-voters, I haven't once heard anyone talk about the demographic shifts that occurred in this last election cycle. Here's a piece, it's NPR, but worth looking at

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5199119/2024-election-exit-polls-demographics-black-latino-voters.

I'm not a statistician but the argument being presented, that this administration is the fault of those who may have, in other times voted D, but chose to cast no vote this round, may be disqualified by the numbers showing the D's failure to both maintain and gain voters, much of those being what some call "minority voters."

Why aren't y'all openly casting blame on black men, latinx, asian american, and arab american voters for leaving the Democratic party; for what some might say is "voting against their own/best interests"? What I'm seeing here on slap is that rather than being the fault of the party, the fucking capitalist class with a D on their name tags, who NEVER vote against their own IMMEDIATE interests, who have refused to run a popular candidate in 3 election cycles, the current administration is the fault of citizenry who may or may have not voted D because they felt disenfranchised and lied to.

@EdLawndale

We do such things because we're in it every single day, not because we're training for a big showdown. We do them because we are decent human beings who know that the support systems outside our control are designed to fail. We see these things not as "extracurricular," but as important aspects of our daily existence.
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i asked these two hispanic dudes (young 20s) from harlem that i worked with at an old job about the word "latinx". they said the only ppl that say that are white kids from the suburbs and white-washed hispanic kids.
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Cool story, bro.

...And?

What other life-changing pearls of wisdom did these world-weary twenty-something Harlemites impart upon you?
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didn't change my life in the least. i was never one to say "latinx" in the first place.

anyway, don't kook the messenger - just thought i'd share what your target audience thinks of your language. apologies for triggering you.
The term latinx is stupid. For whatever reason white Americans just love to group together a bunch of vastly different cultures of brown and black people under a tidy monolith. And also every Spanish speaking homie I hang with has qualms with the term. Even just surface level it’s not an actual word that can be said in Spanish and it shits on anyone who identifies as indigenous. And for sample size I live in Aurora, CO. Like 80% of all my interactions with people are with Spanish speaking people.

it must be crazy when chico sells you something and the tables switch from "give me my money chico" to "giving my money to chico"

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #281 on: January 24, 2025, 12:08:30 AM »
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While people are blaming theoretical protest non-voters, I haven't once heard anyone talk about the demographic shifts that occurred in this last election cycle. Here's a piece, it's NPR, but worth looking at

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5199119/2024-election-exit-polls-demographics-black-latino-voters.

I'm not a statistician but the argument being presented, that this administration is the fault of those who may have, in other times voted D, but chose to cast no vote this round, may be disqualified by the numbers showing the D's failure to both maintain and gain voters, much of those being what some call "minority voters."

Why aren't y'all openly casting blame on black men, latinx, asian american, and arab american voters for leaving the Democratic party; for what some might say is "voting against their own/best interests"? What I'm seeing here on slap is that rather than being the fault of the party, the fucking capitalist class with a D on their name tags, who NEVER vote against their own IMMEDIATE interests, who have refused to run a popular candidate in 3 election cycles, the current administration is the fault of citizenry who may or may have not voted D because they felt disenfranchised and lied to.

@EdLawndale

We do such things because we're in it every single day, not because we're training for a big showdown. We do them because we are decent human beings who know that the support systems outside our control are designed to fail. We see these things not as "extracurricular," but as important aspects of our daily existence.
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i asked these two hispanic dudes (young 20s) from harlem that i worked with at an old job about the word "latinx". they said the only ppl that say that are white kids from the suburbs and white-washed hispanic kids.
[close]

Cool story, bro.

...And?

What other life-changing pearls of wisdom did these world-weary twenty-something Harlemites impart upon you?
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didn't change my life in the least. i was never one to say "latinx" in the first place.

anyway, don't kook the messenger - just thought i'd share what your target audience thinks of your language. apologies for triggering you.
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The term latinx is stupid. For whatever reason white Americans just love to group together a bunch of vastly different cultures of brown and black people under a tidy monolith. And also every Spanish speaking homie I hang with has qualms with the term. Even just surface level it’s not an actual word that can be said in Spanish and it shits on anyone who identifies as indigenous. And for sample size I live in Aurora, CO. Like 80% of all my interactions with people are with Spanish speaking people.

I’m pretty sure the term originated within the queer Latinx community but white people ran with it

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #282 on: January 24, 2025, 12:51:05 AM »
I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but voting ain’t gonna do shit.  The game is rigged and we already lost.  It’s over

Agreed. Game over.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #283 on: January 24, 2025, 04:54:20 AM »
Taking it lying down like a bitch isn’t helping either, fuck the defeatist attitudes and apathy on display in here. Vote at the bare minimum, go out and talk to people and organize in real life, “touch grass” as one would put it.

Or just take it lying down like a fucking pussy, do you then.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #284 on: January 24, 2025, 05:26:40 AM »
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While people are blaming theoretical protest non-voters, I haven't once heard anyone talk about the demographic shifts that occurred in this last election cycle. Here's a piece, it's NPR, but worth looking at

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5199119/2024-election-exit-polls-demographics-black-latino-voters.

I'm not a statistician but the argument being presented, that this administration is the fault of those who may have, in other times voted D, but chose to cast no vote this round, may be disqualified by the numbers showing the D's failure to both maintain and gain voters, much of those being what some call "minority voters."

Why aren't y'all openly casting blame on black men, latinx, asian american, and arab american voters for leaving the Democratic party; for what some might say is "voting against their own/best interests"? What I'm seeing here on slap is that rather than being the fault of the party, the fucking capitalist class with a D on their name tags, who NEVER vote against their own IMMEDIATE interests, who have refused to run a popular candidate in 3 election cycles, the current administration is the fault of citizenry who may or may have not voted D because they felt disenfranchised and lied to.

@EdLawndale

We do such things because we're in it every single day, not because we're training for a big showdown. We do them because we are decent human beings who know that the support systems outside our control are designed to fail. We see these things not as "extracurricular," but as important aspects of our daily existence.
[close]

i asked these two hispanic dudes (young 20s) from harlem that i worked with at an old job about the word "latinx". they said the only ppl that say that are white kids from the suburbs and white-washed hispanic kids.
[close]

Cool story, bro.

...And?

What other life-changing pearls of wisdom did these world-weary twenty-something Harlemites impart upon you?
[close]

didn't change my life in the least. i was never one to say "latinx" in the first place.

anyway, don't kook the messenger - just thought i'd share what your target audience thinks of your language. apologies for triggering you.
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The term latinx is stupid. For whatever reason white Americans just love to group together a bunch of vastly different cultures of brown and black people under a tidy monolith. And also every Spanish speaking homie I hang with has qualms with the term. Even just surface level it’s not an actual word that can be said in Spanish and it shits on anyone who identifies as indigenous. And for sample size I live in Aurora, CO. Like 80% of all my interactions with people are with Spanish speaking people.

*writes down on paper* Okay, "two hispanic dudes from Harlem"...check..."80% of Spanish speaking homies in Aurora, CO"...check.

It's a term that originated online, mainly purposed to advocate for the inclusion of non-binary individuals. Not surprising a lot of folks take issue with it. But it also gained traction after the 2016 Pulse shooting, so kind of a result of our nation trying to heal as a community. How could you hate that?

Do I use the term? Not really no. Do I take issue with it? Of course not. The same way I don't balk at gender-neutral language in general. Respect and understand how Hispanic traditionalists may take umbrage with it, but I'm not trying to allign myself with the "anti-woke" movement.

The world has some big problems going on, why focus on a term that is quite minor in the larger scheme of things (plus has roots in protest movements and is only intended to generate inclusivity)?

This is a new age (or rather a return to the old age) in America where there's going to be a lot of push-back against anything that's not inherently Straight White American Male. Get ready for it, because it's here. I haven't figured out yet if we're only going to go back to a time where ppl freely throw around homophobic slurs and assault women with little to no recourse, or if folks are going to get dragged behind pick-up trucks.

But seeing as though that is the way things are generally moving, I can assure you that, for any person who wants to be progressive and fight on the side of good, spending time and energy trying to discredit "Latinx" is not the jam.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #285 on: January 24, 2025, 06:51:06 AM »
the bishop who pleaded with donald to show mercy and compassion to the vulnerable across all political affiliations and religions is recieving death threats.
while I do agree with you 100%
even jesus is too woke for these folk

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #286 on: January 24, 2025, 07:03:20 AM »
I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but voting ain’t gonna do shit.  The game is rigged and we already lost.  It’s over

Yup. It’s all corrupt corporate greed. The conservatives target and brain wash the elderly and the democrats target the young and naive. Fuck all politicians
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #287 on: January 24, 2025, 07:31:46 AM »
Because Harris and Biden have been so good to the Palestinians during their term, especially these past 15 months. Biden could’ve ended the bloodshed in Gaza and the West Bank anytime he wanted to. Either through an arms embargo or putting tougher conditions on aid to Israel. Neither party gives a shit about Palestinians.
It's really naive to think Biden would've just called up Bibi and be like "you guys need to stop this malarky or else no more iron dome missiles for you". Like lol yeah right that's never happening. In what world do you think Biden would've ever done that? He's the most spineless and milquetoast man in history.

I do agree that neither party gives a shit about Palestinians.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #288 on: January 24, 2025, 07:58:05 AM »
Taking it lying down like a bitch isn’t helping either, fuck the defeatist attitudes and apathy on display in here. Vote at the bare minimum, go out and talk to people and organize in real life, “touch grass” as one would put it.

Or just take it lying down like a fucking pussy, do you then.

Look at you and your hope. Cute.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #289 on: January 24, 2025, 08:10:28 AM »
I think what's going to be key is not fight each other. sounds simple and obvious but keep your eye on the real enemy. Just look at how this thread is playing out.

I'm a social worker, I work for a Fed funded housing program ran by a non-profit. I can feel people's stress-levels rising... We are already fighting each other over DEI... Divide and Conquer... Be patient with each other, assume best intentions, lead with kindness and direct your hate and resistance in the right direction... Sounds easy but it really is a practice...


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #290 on: January 24, 2025, 08:12:01 AM »
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I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but voting ain’t gonna do shit.  The game is rigged and we already lost.  It’s over
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Yup. It’s all corrupt corporate greed. The conservatives target and brain wash the elderly and the democrats target the young and naive. Fuck all politicians
Well if one of your family members gets deported or can't afford healthcare then that blood is on your hands. 

You allowed it to happen, hope you're proud of yourself. dick for brains

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #291 on: January 24, 2025, 08:17:22 AM »
I think what's going to be key is not fight each other. sounds simple and obvious but keep your eye on the real enemy. Just look at how this thread is playing out.

I'm a social worker, I work for a Fed funded housing program ran by a non-profit. I can feel people's stress-levels rising... We are already fighting each other over DEI... Divide and Conquer... Be patient with each other, assume best intentions, lead with kindness and direct your hate and resistance in the right direction... Sounds easy but it really is a practice...

Damn, man. If I worked for a federally funded housing program I'd be updating my resume as we speak.
Hopefully you don't get shut down!

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #292 on: January 24, 2025, 08:22:11 AM »
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I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but voting ain’t gonna do shit.  The game is rigged and we already lost.  It’s over
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Yup. It’s all corrupt corporate greed. The conservatives target and brain wash the elderly and the democrats target the young and naive. Fuck all politicians
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Well if one of your family members gets deported or can't afford healthcare then that blood is on your hands. 

You allowed it to happen, hope you're proud of yourself. dick for brains
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Really not helpful to discourse...
I realize that in hindsight, let's just say that I'm pissed off. The closest to having a class war or ppl realizing it was that Luigi guy.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #293 on: January 24, 2025, 08:39:58 AM »
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I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but voting ain’t gonna do shit.  The game is rigged and we already lost.  It’s over
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Yup. It’s all corrupt corporate greed. The conservatives target and brain wash the elderly and the democrats target the young and naive. Fuck all politicians
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Well if one of your family members gets deported or can't afford healthcare then that blood is on your hands. 

You allowed it to happen, hope you're proud of yourself. dick for brains

Actually my ex wife got deported when trump was first president and I lived in Tijuana with her for 2 years.

lol blood on my hands. Like voting for one corrupt asshole over another is gonna change anything. The only way to change this system is to bring more Luigi’s into the world and take them down
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #294 on: January 24, 2025, 08:49:15 AM »
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I think what's going to be key is not fight each other. sounds simple and obvious but keep your eye on the real enemy. Just look at how this thread is playing out.

I'm a social worker, I work for a Fed funded housing program ran by a non-profit. I can feel people's stress-levels rising... We are already fighting each other over DEI... Divide and Conquer... Be patient with each other, assume best intentions, lead with kindness and direct your hate and resistance in the right direction... Sounds easy but it really is a practice...
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Damn, man. If I worked for a federally funded housing program I'd be updating my resume as we speak.
Hopefully you don't get shut down!

I actually handed in my notice for entirely different reasons (last day is March 21st) but we've been working on alternative funding sources. Multnomah county and the State of Oregon will likely have our backs.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #295 on: January 24, 2025, 08:50:58 AM »
Taking it lying down like a bitch isn’t helping either, fuck the defeatist attitudes and apathy on display in here. Vote at the bare minimum, go out and talk to people and organize in real life, “touch grass” as one would put it.

Or just take it lying down like a fucking pussy, do you then.

 Yeah people are really gonna listen to what you have to say when you're constantly talking like an aggro asshole

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #296 on: January 24, 2025, 08:52:15 AM »
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I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but voting ain’t gonna do shit.  The game is rigged and we already lost.  It’s over
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Yup. It’s all corrupt corporate greed. The conservatives target and brain wash the elderly and the democrats target the young and naive. Fuck all politicians
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Well if one of your family members gets deported or can't afford healthcare then that blood is on your hands. 

You allowed it to happen, hope you're proud of yourself. dick for brains
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Actually my ex wife got deported when trump was first president and I lived in Tijuana with her for 2 years.

lol blood on my hands. Like voting for one corrupt asshole over another is gonna change anything. The only way to change this system is to bring more Luigi’s into the world and take them down
Fair enough.at least you understand the need for class war, I lost my step mom to breast cancer a few years back when they approved her meds it was too late. I apologize for being so crass just this election has reinvigorated my hate politics

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #297 on: January 24, 2025, 09:00:01 AM »
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While people are blaming theoretical protest non-voters, I haven't once heard anyone talk about the demographic shifts that occurred in this last election cycle. Here's a piece, it's NPR, but worth looking at

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5199119/2024-election-exit-polls-demographics-black-latino-voters.

I'm not a statistician but the argument being presented, that this administration is the fault of those who may have, in other times voted D, but chose to cast no vote this round, may be disqualified by the numbers showing the D's failure to both maintain and gain voters, much of those being what some call "minority voters."

Why aren't y'all openly casting blame on black men, latinx, asian american, and arab american voters for leaving the Democratic party; for what some might say is "voting against their own/best interests"? What I'm seeing here on slap is that rather than being the fault of the party, the fucking capitalist class with a D on their name tags, who NEVER vote against their own IMMEDIATE interests, who have refused to run a popular candidate in 3 election cycles, the current administration is the fault of citizenry who may or may have not voted D because they felt disenfranchised and lied to.

@EdLawndale

We do such things because we're in it every single day, not because we're training for a big showdown. We do them because we are decent human beings who know that the support systems outside our control are designed to fail. We see these things not as "extracurricular," but as important aspects of our daily existence.
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i asked these two hispanic dudes (young 20s) from harlem that i worked with at an old job about the word "latinx". they said the only ppl that say that are white kids from the suburbs and white-washed hispanic kids.
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Cool story, bro.

...And?

What other life-changing pearls of wisdom did these world-weary twenty-something Harlemites impart upon you?
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didn't change my life in the least. i was never one to say "latinx" in the first place.

anyway, don't kook the messenger - just thought i'd share what your target audience thinks of your language. apologies for triggering you.
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The term latinx is stupid. For whatever reason white Americans just love to group together a bunch of vastly different cultures of brown and black people under a tidy monolith. And also every Spanish speaking homie I hang with has qualms with the term. Even just surface level it’s not an actual word that can be said in Spanish and it shits on anyone who identifies as indigenous. And for sample size I live in Aurora, CO. Like 80% of all my interactions with people are with Spanish speaking people.
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*writes down on paper* Okay, "two hispanic dudes from Harlem"...check..."80% of Spanish speaking homies in Aurora, CO"...check.

It's a term that originated online
, mainly purposed to advocate for the inclusion of non-binary individuals. Not surprising a lot of folks take issue with it. But it also gained traction after the 2016 Pulse shooting, so kind of a result of our nation trying to heal as a community. How could you hate that?

Do I use the term? Not really no. Do I take issue with it? Of course not. The same way I don't balk at gender-neutral language in general. Respect and understand how Hispanic traditionalists may take umbrage with it, but I'm not trying to allign myself with the "anti-woke" movement.

The world has some big problems going on, why focus on a term that is quite minor in the larger scheme of things (plus has roots in protest movements and is only intended to generate inclusivity)?

This is a new age (or rather a return to the old age) in America where there's going to be a lot of push-back against anything that's not inherently Straight White American Male. Get ready for it, because it's here. I haven't figured out yet if we're only going to go back to a time where ppl freely throw around homophobic slurs and assault women with little to no recourse, or if folks are going to get dragged behind pick-up trucks.

But seeing as though that is the way things are generally moving, I can assure you that, for any person who wants to be progressive and fight on the side of good, spending time and energy trying to discredit "Latinx" is not the jam.

two hispanic dudes from Harlem + 80% of Spanish speaking homies in Aurora vs. some nameless/faceless social justice keyboard warriors... hmm, tough decision. 
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #298 on: January 24, 2025, 09:15:38 AM »
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Because Harris and Biden have been so good to the Palestinians during their term, especially these past 15 months. Biden could’ve ended the bloodshed in Gaza and the West Bank anytime he wanted to. Either through an arms embargo or putting tougher conditions on aid to Israel. Neither party gives a shit about Palestinians.
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It's really naive to think Biden would've just called up Bibi and be like "you guys need to stop this malarky or else no more iron dome missiles for you". Like lol yeah right that's never happening. In what world do you think Biden would've ever done that? He's the most spineless and milquetoast man in history.

I do agree that neither party gives a shit about Palestinians.

It is not naivety. He has done it before. In May of 2021 when Sheikh Jarrah was happening.

“But guess who he couldn’t reject? Yes, the president of the United States. “We need to accomplish more,” pleaded Netanyahu when Biden called him on 19 May, according to the journalist Franklin Foer. The president’s response? “Hey, man, we are out of runway here. It’s over.”

Two days later, a ceasefire was announced. And, less than a month later, the Israeli prime minister had been ejected from office.”

You can read about it here and how it applies to the situation in Gaza over the last 15 months.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/21/biden-stop-gaza-bombing-genocide-israel

The US arms Israel. If we turn off the flow of arms, less people die. It’s a simple equation.
I’m sure the fact that it was an election year was a deterrent. Both parties need that AIPAC money.

Glad we agree that both parties are shit on this topic. ✌️



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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #299 on: January 24, 2025, 09:41:36 AM »
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I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but voting ain’t gonna do shit.  The game is rigged and we already lost.  It’s over
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Yup. It’s all corrupt corporate greed. The conservatives target and brain wash the elderly and the democrats target the young and naive. Fuck all politicians
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Well if one of your family members gets deported or can't afford healthcare then that blood is on your hands. 

You allowed it to happen, hope you're proud of yourself. dick for brains
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Actually my ex wife got deported when trump was first president and I lived in Tijuana with her for 2 years.

lol blood on my hands. Like voting for one corrupt asshole over another is gonna change anything. The only way to change this system is to bring more Luigi’s into the world and take them down
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Fair enough.at least you understand the need for class war, I lost my step mom to breast cancer a few years back when they approved her meds it was too late. I apologize for being so crass just this election has reinvigorated my hate politics

All good dude. I apologize too. I know politics causes so much hatred. It’s what they want at the end of the day. Sorry for your loss
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