Changes under Trump 2.0

[Top-Heavy Hookjaw]

You don't understand Hakeem Jefferies and the DNC is too busy trying to stop Zohran Mamdani to fight fascism.

In other news 2028 Democratic presidential nominee and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shaprio honors Charlie Kirk by ordering the flag to fly at half-staff as a mark of respect for the memory of Charlie Kirk

https://www.pa.gov/governor/newsroom/2025-press-releases/gov-shapiro-orders-u-s---commonwealth-flags-to-half-staff-honor-

Makes sense. Kirk was a pro-Israel Zio and Shapiro volunteered in the IDF, although he claims “he did not participate in any military activity”. Just 1 AIPAC chum honoring another.

[Mr. Pickles]

I wanted to change what I said. I only feel bad for his kids. I do believe that what you put out in the universe comes back to you in some way, kinda like Charlie…

[TastyBurrito]

Even without knowing anything about the shooter, Trump, FOX, and other right-wing outlets are already blaming the left. And no doubt, Kirk would’ve been part of that drive of sowing misinformation and divisive talk.

Also, FBI is apparently saying he got sniped from 100-200 yards. Whoever did that was a legit properly trained shooter.

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

Throw it in the heaping pile of American gun violence statistics

America is an increasingly violent nation and that is not changing anytime soon

[ToySanta]

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I don’t have a dog in this race living in Australia, but making memes about a man who was just killed is some sicko shit.

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  Yeah, it's scary as an outsider seeing how extreme people are in the United States.  They are at each other's throats.  It's some sort of sick game they are playing.  Wild how posting videos of someone getting killed is normal to an American.  I guess all the mass shootings have really desensitized the population there.

Definitely have to a degree. It’s a seasonal occurrence now, in a way. An eleven year old got shot playing ding-dong-ditch. About six or seven years ago it occurred to me that I hadn’t heard about any shootings in awhile, then I realized it was summertime. It’s not what we want; it’s just what we have.

You at all familiar with The Onion?



Charlie Kirk reaped the seeds he sowed in life.

[TheLurper]

Ah yes. That’s the solution, support the democrats. Surely they have our best interests in mind while they do fuckall about literal nazis taking over. I voted blue down the fucking ballot and all I got in return was a full on fascist takeover With zero resistance. Crickets from that side of the isle, minus a handful of them who’ve been bold enough to push back against these christofascist lunatics. Maybe if we support them even harder they’ll run some moderate corpse of a candidate instead of glancing out of their mansions for 5 minutes to do a goddamn thing.

Sadly, we were out voted. Representative democracy sucks when our party doesn't get power and the other party doesn't care about the law. Dems don't control the executive branch or the legislative branch. They are filing lawsuits, but the judicial branch is fucking is us over.

And, yes, the party is too institutionalist for sure and it needs to stop defending and start fixing institutions. They need to start acting aggressively, especially in California when it comes to high-speed trains (fuck your individual, environmental, or business lawsuit against high speed rail, this shit is going in and its going in tomorrow... let someone bring it to the Supreme Court). They need to embrace being the bad guy for the sake of getting things done.

That being said, a few things have been done. California, Washington, and Oregon are setting up the West Coast Health Alliance to counter-act some of the harm done by Kennedy. California uses its size/power to set regulations that impact/help the rest of the country. And, they have a big chance to do something is in a few weeks when they need to vote to extend the debt ceiling again. This is their chance to withhold power from Trump and recast themselves as a party of action.


The way I see it we have four choices:

1: Use our support to embolden and change the Democratic party (this includes running our own campaigns, if someone as stupid as Mikey Taylor can win office with his connections to Turning Point Faith Rob McCoy) anyone can.
2: Wait for Trump's troops to start disappearing regular people that disagree with them
3: Start a new party and usurp power from the Democratic party.
4: just leave. Let the country backslide

I'm fine with 1 or 3. Bernie came in and made Burlington, VT in awesome place and to no-one's surprise it didn't kill off business. But, Bernie also used the Democratic party to push his message nationally. I don't care if it is Democrat or independent left, just participating is huge. Or, just pick choice 4 and bail.

Choice 2 is the absolute worst choice and that involves staying here and abandoning the Democrats and doing nothing to replace them. As far as I can remember, my party official affiliation has either been green or independent my entire life, but the Greens have been aimless post-Nader and I don't see anyone else in my local area who isn't pushing conservative nonsense.

And, on top of supporting, we need to put pressure on the dems who always shut down the left-wing of the party. The right let's its far-right go wild without a care in the world. The dems need to support their left as well or at least just let it do its thing. And, there needs to be a religious wing of the party. Tolstoy was a Christian anarchist and Jesus was pretty left in his turn the other cheek, give to poor, hating the loansharks (usury?), and so on.

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Crazy the shooter did this from the roof and was able to get away, for now.

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Republicans voted against releasing the Epstein files today.
The FBI is firing people depending on who they voted for.
A professor in Texas was fired for discussing gender in class.
S. Korea is upset with America after 100s of Korean workers at Hyundai plant were detained.
China, India, and Russia are becoming closer.
Predictably Brazil is exporting more soy beans and American farmers aren't getting any pre-orders from China. Lucky, us we get to bail out the people who voted for Trump's policies, because they're only supposed to hurt city folk, not rural folk.
The president is tweeting about occupying Chicago and the Secretary of Defense is trying to say the Department of War stands for peace.
More wind farms and renewable energy projects have been defunded (https://www.npr.org/2025/08/31/nx-s1-5522943/trump-offshore-wind-energy-ports).

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I don’t have a dog in this race living in Australia, but making memes about a man who was just killed is some sicko shit.

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  Yeah, it's scary as an outsider seeing how extreme people are in the United States.  They are at each other's throats.  It's some sort of sick game they are playing.  Wild how posting videos of someone getting killed is normal to an American.  I guess all the mass shootings have really desensitized the population there.

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Definitely have to a degree. It’s a seasonal occurrence now, in a way. An eleven year old got shot playing ding-dong-ditch. About six or seven years ago it occurred to me that I hadn’t heard about any shootings in awhile, then I realized it was summertime. It’s not what we want; it’s just what we have.

You at all familiar with The Onion?



Charlie Kirk reaped the seeds he sowed in life.

More like daily occurence ... https://massshootingtracker.site/

[shouldn't]

Even without knowing anything about the shooter, Trump, FOX, and other right-wing outlets are already blaming the left. And no doubt, Kirk would’ve been part of that drive of sowing misinformation and divisive talk.

to be fair would the same not happen if the situation were flipped? if it was a democrat extremist who was murdered i would immediately assume it was a republican who shot them honestly.

[Glue Reed]

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Even without knowing anything about the shooter, Trump, FOX, and other right-wing outlets are already blaming the left. And no doubt, Kirk would’ve been part of that drive of sowing misinformation and divisive talk.

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to be fair would the same not happen if the situation were flipped? if it was a democrat extremist who was murdered i would immediately assume it was a republican who shot them honestly.

Well true, but right-wing violence is an extremely common occurrence, to the point where it's expected and even tolerated.  It's much more rare to have left-motivated shootings in America.

[S.]

I teach at a German high school and many of my students were visibly shaken by his death today. That surprised me. His reach must have been insane. Why are students in Germany consuming his content…

[roba]

I teach at a German high school and many of my students were visibly shaken by his death today. That surprised me. His reach must have been insane. Why are students in Germany consuming his content…

AFD propaganda and racial prejudices, same shit is happening all over europe, norwegian AFD counterpart got second in their last election, konfederacja is third in poland right now... it's been 80 years since we've had a significant war in europe and the children are fried off tiktok so they don't know no better, history is cyclical...

[rawbertson.]

I’m surprised a bullet proof iron man suit hasn’t been invented yet. Just put a supreme logo on it and shit would sell like McMuffins

[The real veganshawn]

UK ambassador to the USA fIred over ties to trump's best friend.

[Mongo Lloyd]

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I teach at a German high school and many of my students were visibly shaken by his death today. That surprised me. His reach must have been insane. Why are students in Germany consuming his content…

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AFD propaganda and racial prejudices, same shit is happening all over europe, norwegian AFD counterpart got second in their last election, konfederacja is third in poland right now... it's been 80 years since we've had a significant war in europe and the children are fried off tiktok so they don't know no better, history is cyclical...

Much of which I assume is funded by Russia.

Russia owning the Cold War game. Scary how effective these efforts have been.

[BALARGUE]

I teach at a German high school and many of my students were visibly shaken by his death today. That surprised me. His reach must have been insane. Why are students in Germany consuming his content…

for the same reason they consume Tate's and all those hyper religious / far right / real men sickos' content. Because a teen might be insecure and be looking for a model / father figure while not being able to see through the lies and concealed homophobic/misogynistic/privileged and often racist violence. Their bullshit is now easily available through IG or TikTok without any sort of control (see Twitter), education at home is lacking and boom.

And what roba said

[bluntfullofmid]

can we get a @fuck_that_guy in the chat

[Willie]

Also, FBI is apparently saying he got sniped from 100-200 yards. Whoever did that was a legit properly trained shooter.

A trained shooter wouldn’t have aimed for the neck. Too easy to miss.

Hit is consistent with a shot aimed for the center of the head with a scope that was zeroed in at 50-100 yards but did not account for the bullet drop at 200+.

I guess it looks “professional” compared to some other incidents we’ve seen but the truth is that shooting is really goddamn easy and most would be assassins thus far have been inept.

Actually having a zeroed in scope a rifle that’s mechanically accurate enough for that kind of shot is 80% of the job. (Assuming guy in Butler had an off the rack AR15 and wasn’t using match ammo, the spread of shots from that gun, even if clamped in a vice, would be over a foot wide at that distance. The guy at the golf course had an SKS, which would be even less mechanically accurate. )

[Mongo Lloyd]

Fuck these re.tarded fagg0ts hope they all get murked like Kirk

Sorry for you your boy got killed.

That’s called losing the debate on gun violence.

[Coastal Fever]

I don’t think him dying is funny, or cause for joyful celebration.. but I also think the world and everyone in it is better off without purveyors of evil like him alive. 

I definitely feel conflicted over his death, but moreso on a personal level.  I earn my living by indirectly helping others, but I also consume goods that rely on evil means of production. 

Would the world be better off without myself in it?  Do I get a pass because I don’t earn my money from intolerance, but rather just benefit from it?  The more I think about the whole situation, the broader it gets, and the uneasier I feel about the state of humanity itself.

[Sleazy]

hoping to see more of this in our politics both nationally and on social media

https://www.instagram.com/voteinorout/reel/DOdjgCDkcKv/

looking forward to voting for this guy for senate

celebrating someone getting gunned down for debating his views is just wrong. like james talarico i don't agree with charlie kirks ideology but at least he was out there debating and engaging people in conversations and not just throwing out pejoratives, insults and talking points.

[Marion Stoked]

The memes coming out of this are wild.


Not trying to play devil's advocate here, or be an asshole, seriously. I'm very curious to know his wife's stance on gun violence and its tolerability (smh) in the US before and after this event.

[brycickle]

I teach at a German high school and many of my students were visibly shaken by his death today. That surprised me. His reach must have been insane. Why are students in Germany consuming his content…

My wife found a meme that someone did: Burning of the Reichstag, 2025 version.

I can't find it, but it seemed somewhat prescient.

[gumsole]

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Also, FBI is apparently saying he got sniped from 100-200 yards. Whoever did that was a legit properly trained shooter.

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A trained shooter wouldn’t have aimed for the neck. Too easy to miss.

Hit is consistent with a shot aimed for the center of the head with a scope that was zeroed in at 50-100 yards but did not account for the bullet drop at 200+.

I guess it looks “professional” compared to some other incidents we’ve seen but the truth is that shooting is really goddamn easy and most would be assassins thus far have been inept.

Actually having a zeroed in scope a rifle that’s mechanically accurate enough for that kind of shot is 80% of the job. (Assuming guy in Butler had an off the rack AR15 and wasn’t using match ammo, the spread of shots from that gun, even if clamped in a vice, would be over a foot wide at that distance. The guy at the golf course had an SKS, which would be even less mechanically accurate. )

Apparently the rifle they found was a mauser 30.06. The average range for a hunter using this model or similar can hit a very accurate shot on big game from 450-650 yards. What Willie said is spot on. His scope probably wasn't zeroed in for that angle, wind, variable conditions and he aimed for the head and unfortunately still obtained a kill shot.

I can tell you that by no means am I a skilled marksmen but have shot .223 and .556 rounds and hit targets 200-300 yards consistently while being prone and having a sandbag to stabilize the barrel. I will say though, the asshole of a shooter had some great confidence knowing he's taking this shot with a bolt action rifle and if he misses will not be able to get another shot off on his target.

[Mongo Lloyd]

@gumsole

You’re misusing the word “unfortunately” here.

This is a guy that argued that gays should be stoned, are groomers, and that children should witness public executions.

Well, a public execution certainly was witnessed in Utah. Be careful what you wish for.

Hate perpetuates hate.

[rawbertson.]

So that guy definitely sucked badly, but I don’t agree with killing people in any case, even if it was trump or Tate or whoever bastard. I don’t think this was the right way. Because that is just stooping to their level. It also doesn’t solve anything. His followers will see him as a martyr and his message will only get stronger now. It is just a shitty situation ultimately because I feel like it’s just causing further divide of American people. I would like to think the world is a better place that he is gone but I am not sure it even makes any difference sadly because he already built the army of brainwashed.


It is crazy to me that people don’t see an event like this and automatically think “maybe this gun shit has gone too far?”

[Mongo Lloyd]

I get what you’re saying, but when you back marginalized people into a corner, and pose an existential threat to them, don’t be surprised when they defend themself pre-emptily.

[KoRnholio8]

I don't condone violence and this will be abused in political ways I'm sure of it.

But on the subject of "debaters" ... these people run their mouths so fast that no one can fact check any of the claims and the aim is to "win" rather then understand each other. This stuff is cancer for the brain. It really is incredibly sad to see the opinions of the youth being influenced by people appearing competent, but spewing bullshit.

At least the past generations got served an analysis of that bull from the media which at least some of the time produces corroborating facts and/or different views. Kids are now stuck in their echo chambers for engagement dollars.

[layzieyez]

I’m so jealous of Brazil for having a working judiciary.

[Freelancevagrant]

I for one am so glad he got mowed down. Inside job or not it’s great he finally shut the fuck up.

He built an empire on calling for violence against marginalized people, and violence answered. He championed the genocide in Gaza and had no qualms cheering on the massacre of thousands of innocent people, both domestically and across the globe.

Fuck this ghoul, fuck his dead homies, fuck anyone caping for him, and fuck everyone like him.

[gumsole]

@gumsole

You’re misusing the word “unfortunately” here.

This is a guy that argued that gays should be stoned, are groomers, and that children should witness public executions.

Well, a public execution certainly was witnessed in Utah. Be careful what you wish for.

Hate perpetuates hate.

Hey man I get it, this guy spewed a lot of things that people didn't agree with. He painted a rather large target on himself like many others on both sides have. The columbine shooters didn't paint a bad picture for themselves but still were bullied and teased relentlessly because they were "different" till they got fed up and returned with brutal violence.

At the end of the day its not about left or right its about right or wrong. If something someone does or says ESPECIALLY someone you've never even met in person gets your feathers riled up, you can simply choose to ignore them. I've blocked many people on this forum because of their viewpoints and boom problem solved. Killing someone who has physically no threat to you or your family does not deserve being targeted and killed. That's just absurd unhinged behavior.

Some of these comments here are crazy. People are actually hyped this dude got killed because they didn't like him. Well a year ago my dog chased my neighbors cat into a tree and my neighbor shot and killed my dog. I fucking can't stand him but just last week his wife died of cancer. Am I over on my property dancing and cheering with joy. Absolutely not, I sent my condolences and moved on. Again, its simple, if you don't like sushi then don't eat it but don't hate the chef that makes it.