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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #390 on: February 09, 2026, 12:31:37 PM »
I caught some short clips on YouTube, saw Ginwoo do a triple flip, and rendered the decision that this isn't for me...
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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #391 on: February 09, 2026, 01:52:58 PM »
I didn’t watch, but it appeared in my algorithm while it was live. I was kind of surprised to see it had 10k viewers at the time, that’s a pretty good number.

Over/under 10,000.5 viewers for the next broadcast? I’m taking the under. I feel like people tuned in out of curiosity.
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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #392 on: February 09, 2026, 02:13:41 PM »
if you can't tell what the board is doing, this definitely isn't for you (a triple flip never happened)

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #393 on: February 09, 2026, 03:10:20 PM »
I skipped through the first match, looked boring and too long. After reading the posts here I went back and watched the second match and it was actually ok. I will watch the third one at some point, this format is actually not that bad.

As far as attracting non-skaters, I can't see it happening. Even people watching it live, sitting right there, looked bored as fuck.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #394 on: February 09, 2026, 05:16:06 PM »
This was sick.  I get why someone wouldn’t dig this or could even hate it but the quality of skaters and the presentation is pretty impressive.  It really is the sportification of skating and it’s fascinating to see it realized this way.  Scoring in skating always has left something to be desired.  I really think Mike Mo and company delivered on the vision here!  Obviously similar to the exhibition but the ongoing team aspect makes it fun.

Dug all the substitutions.  And the format is pretty damn good.  I actually like how long a game is.  It feels balanced having four quarters.  Time for a team to stage a comeback if they get behind.  If there’s more missed tricks it would go much faster.  The rail wild card is pretty sick actually.

And yeah Mike Mo’s end game is definitely building comprehensive enough stats on probability of any trick a skater tries to encourage betting, but that’s the case with most other sports.  Woulda been sick if there was a proper fantasy sports element like they suggested.

It’s a good platform for a lot of these skaters.  Seeing them in a team context is dope actually.  Looser and more competitive at the same time.  Ginwoo is so fucking good!  Trevor Colden acquitted himself well.  And pretty funny Sinner forgot his jersey at home. 

Agreed Clint Petersen was pretty strong on the mic with Malto.  I did a double take at how competent and unobtrusive their commentary was.  Way better than a lot of other pro sport commentators.

Hope this continues.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #395 on: February 09, 2026, 08:14:55 PM »
Yea the first match was bad mainly due to it being a blow out from the jump. Also idk what Prod was doing with the substitutions or the draft of his team for that matter. He was definitely over thinking it.

The hot mics were pretty funny at times, you could hear Felipe complaining how long the match was.


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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #396 on: February 09, 2026, 09:47:42 PM »
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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #397 on: February 09, 2026, 10:38:43 PM »
if you can't tell what the board is doing, this definitely isn't for you (a triple flip never happened)

I couldn’t tell if that was sarcasm or just out of touch. Triple flip Lol there was one double flip and double bs flip done out of the whole event, that I remember. I agree the double flips were a bit much and he brought them out pretty quick into the game. But the object is to get points and win so I guess it worked. I was most surprised by Ginwoos switch front shuv on defense. I know he has all his go to tricks but it will be interesting to see what else he can do. I liked seeing the defensive makes for the wildcard tricks like back 180 5050, front shuv board slide.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #398 on: February 10, 2026, 12:37:50 AM »
Second match was definitely the most interesting but I felt like the skaters def didn’t know how it fully worked. Like to set when on offense u have ur line up of 3 skaters that had to go in order but defense could send out anyone of the 5 or 6 guys on their team

Also they should allow more rail trick

I mainly watched out of curiosity as background noise while cooking but I can see the appeal. They fine tune this more and I could see this def working

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #399 on: February 10, 2026, 04:37:54 AM »
I multiplied the number of seats by their respective prices, for the event on Februrary 21 at eventbrite.com link they posted.

Grand total of $27693 if it's sold out. I wonder what the costs of production are.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #400 on: February 10, 2026, 04:25:03 PM »
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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #401 on: February 11, 2026, 12:17:26 AM »
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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #402 on: February 11, 2026, 03:28:51 AM »
I multiplied the number of seats by their respective prices, for the event on Februrary 21 at eventbrite.com link they posted.

Grand total of $27693 if it's sold out. I wonder what the costs of production are.


Like all sports, including skateboarding, the money is in the advertising, sponsorships and broadcasting (or platforming in this case).

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #403 on: February 11, 2026, 05:19:33 AM »
I usually hate this kind of shit and I thought it was entertaining. I'd watch again.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #404 on: February 13, 2026, 12:49:03 AM »
This seems to be Mike Mo's brain child, but he doesn't seem to have the capability/expertise to make an interesting sporting product. He has the core concept/ideology though, and he should collaborate with other experts/minds to develop PSL, ultimately taking on more an executive producer role, rather than the role of inventor. If you care why I think that, then....

Wayyy too flawed at this point to be successful. It seems to be interesting only to skaters, but to an even smaller subsection than SLS, which just isn't big enough. It just isn't designed to be captivating. With every sport, you watch because the interesting bits outweigh all the frustrations and boring parts, even if you yourself don't have any experience playing said sport. The rewarding parts here are just too few and far between. If you don't skate, you won't be able to appreciate the stances, rails vs stair tricks, differences in tricks at all. It is ultimately a complicated version of a game of skate, which itself has never grown to be some widely viewed thing. Nobody watches people play horse, they watch them play basketball. You can watch highlights of any sport and be impressed simply by the incredible athletic feats, such as dunks, an insane catch in football or baseball, etc. You can even watch pool or bowling and be impressed as a casual. You think a casual is going to be entertained after seeing a kickflip, switch flip, heelflip, fakie heel - it will all be the same to them.

I think he also made it too simple. His ideology was, skating is difficult to understand so how do I make it as simple as possible so you don't really need to understand the skating. What you end up with is a product that is interesting only BECAUSE of the skating, and barely due to the sporting element. In football, on 4th and 2 at the 45 you're thinking should they punt, go for it, or kick a field goal, and how they go about any of these decisions can vary. As a viewer, you're rewarded in this sense because you're solving infinite puzzles and are cognitively engaged, while again also just watching athletes do athletic as shit. This just isn't possible with PSL because it is TOO simple as a sport, and too complex from an athletic standpoint - it's the worst of both worlds. This is why literally seeing who can ollie higher, or jump down the biggest thing is more interesting - easy to understand athletically, and you are simply impressed by how explosive or massive it is. Make people earn points by pushing as fast as they can to the finish line - now you have something simple, has an element of danger, the slams will be fun to watch without being too risky, and replays will be much closer and more controversial, maybe you'll have a fight because someone played dirty and put someone else in harms way. And speaking of that, he's got a find a way to introduce drama. I'm sure it'll come to some degree, but I don't think it will be genuine emotion and drama that we will see. We like when players get revenge for example. Honestly I could go on all day, it is just riddled with so many flaws. I don't know what PSL will eventually morph into, but it's clear it needs drastic changes and truly critical inquiry on his part.

Oh and if you think some of my suggestions get away from the culture of skateboarding, then maybe skateboarding as we know it shouldn't be gamified in this way. Maybe whatever PSL turns into, we just don't call "skateboarding" anymore. I think that maybe attempting to adhere too strictly to conventional skateboarding may hold PSL back.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #405 on: February 13, 2026, 07:47:52 AM »
This seems to be Mike Mo's brain child, but he doesn't seem to have the capability/expertise to make an interesting sporting product. He has the core concept/ideology though, and he should collaborate with other experts/minds to develop PSL, ultimately taking on more an executive producer role, rather than the role of inventor. If you care why I think that, then....

Wayyy too flawed at this point to be successful. It seems to be interesting only to skaters, but to an even smaller subsection than SLS, which just isn't big enough. It just isn't designed to be captivating. With every sport, you watch because the interesting bits outweigh all the frustrations and boring parts, even if you yourself don't have any experience playing said sport. The rewarding parts here are just too few and far between. If you don't skate, you won't be able to appreciate the stances, rails vs stair tricks, differences in tricks at all. It is ultimately a complicated version of a game of skate, which itself has never grown to be some widely viewed thing. Nobody watches people play horse, they watch them play basketball. You can watch highlights of any sport and be impressed simply by the incredible athletic feats, such as dunks, an insane catch in football or baseball, etc. You can even watch pool or bowling and be impressed as a casual. You think a casual is going to be entertained after seeing a kickflip, switch flip, heelflip, fakie heel - it will all be the same to them.

I think he also made it too simple. His ideology was, skating is difficult to understand so how do I make it as simple as possible so you don't really need to understand the skating. What you end up with is a product that is interesting only BECAUSE of the skating, and barely due to the sporting element. In football, on 4th and 2 at the 45 you're thinking should they punt, go for it, or kick a field goal, and how they go about any of these decisions can vary. As a viewer, you're rewarded in this sense because you're solving infinite puzzles and are cognitively engaged, while again also just watching athletes do athletic as shit. This just isn't possible with PSL because it is TOO simple as a sport, and too complex from an athletic standpoint - it's the worst of both worlds. This is why literally seeing who can ollie higher, or jump down the biggest thing is more interesting - easy to understand athletically, and you are simply impressed by how explosive or massive it is. Make people earn points by pushing as fast as they can to the finish line - now you have something simple, has an element of danger, the slams will be fun to watch without being too risky, and replays will be much closer and more controversial, maybe you'll have a fight because someone played dirty and put someone else in harms way. And speaking of that, he's got a find a way to introduce drama. I'm sure it'll come to some degree, but I don't think it will be genuine emotion and drama that we will see. We like when players get revenge for example. Honestly I could go on all day, it is just riddled with so many flaws. I don't know what PSL will eventually morph into, but it's clear it needs drastic changes and truly critical inquiry on his part.

Oh and if you think some of my suggestions get away from the culture of skateboarding, then maybe skateboarding as we know it shouldn't be gamified in this way. Maybe whatever PSL turns into, we just don't call "skateboarding" anymore. I think that maybe attempting to adhere too strictly to conventional skateboarding may hold PSL back.

Dude you could've compacted that down to like one paragraph.

The biggest flaw in your wall of text is the assumption that they're trying to market PSL to people outside of skateboarding. No one's dumb enough to think that the PSL format would ever appeal to the masses, when even SLS is a the kind of concept and execution "casuals" care fuck all about.

Every skater sees that PSL is just an evolution of SKATE and doesn't even try to be more than that. If there's enough money in the skateboarding world for SLS, I don't see why PSL couldn't fit into the equation.

If you want to see skateboarding taken beyond skateboarding, just watch Kasso or something. It's not like Mike Mo is delusional enough to think that PSL could be something similar.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #406 on: February 13, 2026, 08:56:24 AM »
Are you for real? Mike Mo’s whole spiel has been about making it accessible for non skaters

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #407 on: February 13, 2026, 09:02:11 AM »
I know yall are 14 pages deep trying to figure out what this thing even is, but I just watched the debut (only because gifted hater reacted to it) and have some thoughts.

First match was Los Santos vs The Hitlers, judging by the logos.

Stage looks like I’m inside a gaming PC. Why oh god why not just a street spot. It’d make more sense to have just one obstacle that way too.

The stair looks small, like those where 3 steps feel like 2.

All that said, the idea… kinda works. Games of skate are fun. Way too long though.
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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #408 on: February 14, 2026, 01:04:46 AM »
So what could make the current format more interesting and not feeling that stuff just kind of repeats itself – which the current format admittedly can feel like?

Ok, so let's say we keep the four quarters and the current rules in general.

But ease off on the stairs and just have them for one quarter. Add completely different obstacles for quarters 2 and 3. Like, let's say, a ledge for the second quarter and just a handrail for the third one.

Keep quarters 1-3 as a more or less constant format.

And as a bonus, make quarter 4 a "wildcard quarter" where the obstacle/mission is something that the viewers and the skaters don't know about beforehand. Say a quarterpipe, flatbar, slappy curb, miniramp, whatever. Rotate these wildcard obstacles randomly.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #409 on: February 21, 2026, 06:56:37 PM »
I didn’t watch, but it appeared in my algorithm while it was live. I was kind of surprised to see it had 10k viewers at the time, that’s a pretty good number.

Over/under 10,000.5 viewers for the next broadcast? I’m taking the under. I feel like people tuned in out of curiosity.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #410 on: February 21, 2026, 09:04:01 PM »
wtf is wrong with Mike mo...no company is buying this, he's lighting other people's money on fire in front of us

NO fun, very tranquil, boring as tv golf commentary, the shows a piece of shit

why are they showing multiple games with different teams? thats unlike every other sports league. we don't need tim o Connor and introductory videos for 3 straight hours. make this the duration of a standard sporting event with 1 team vs 1 team and then call it a night.

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just doing way way way way too much

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #411 on: February 21, 2026, 09:57:17 PM »
Like many I went in wanting to hate on this.. watched the Gifted Hater stream of the first week's games and agreed with all of the critiques.. but then gradually found myself enjoying it on my own.

The games heated up and the format actually makes me want to skate, which isn't something I can say for any other skateboarding contest I've ever seen.. ever maybe. The skaters are clearly enjoying themselves and I think that's cool.

Agree that the one obstacle format is monotonous, and after a few weeks it's going to get way boring seeing everybody just do their go-to tricks- which is already happening. But watching clutch tricks get stomped on defense is undeniably satisfying, plus seeing generally tasteful trick selection makes the actual skateboarding far more enjoyable to watch than in most contest formats (eg everybody doing crook nollie flips and biggerflip front boards to rack up points).

It feels like real skateboarding because the criteria of the tricks comes from the skateboarders themselves, not the judging system. Pretty cool overall, I hope it lasts.

Dashawn was really fun to watch this week; that nollie inward heel was insane.

edit: agree with the poster above that that ref dude and the overly serious demeanor is extremely corny, though
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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #412 on: February 21, 2026, 10:23:11 PM »
I was just thinking.. if the point of this is to get good stats on the skaters and teams shouldn't they always finish the 4th quarter? Also for eventual tiebreakers at the end of the season?

I'm an idiot though so maybe I'm overthinking it.

Overall the format is growing on me more with each match, sometimes its boring but the clutch moments are cool.

Also ginwoo bigspin double flip and micky papa switch laser were great.
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« Reply #413 on: February 21, 2026, 10:46:53 PM »
Sucio and Ginwoo on the same team got me so fucking hyped.  So weird.  A skater with one of the most respected styles and trick selections, and one with one of the most criticized styles and trick selections.  But seeing them all be cool was so fun.  We all expect Ginwoo to be the best, but I think Sucio was the actual MVP, I was really impressed by his defense.  Laser flip was fucked.  And seeing Nyjah V.S. Ginwoo is just perfect.

I despise all normal team sports, but I've always been able to relate when watching a live Tampa Pro/Am or something like that.  This is really fun, I wanted Los Santos to win so bad and it felt edge-of-the-seat, I looked forward to tonight, and barring the technical difficulty I was satisfied.
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« Reply #414 on: February 22, 2026, 01:08:51 AM »
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I multiplied the number of seats by their respective prices, for the event on Februrary 21 at eventbrite.com link they posted.

Grand total of $27693 if it's sold out. I wonder what the costs of production are.
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Like all sports, including skateboarding, the money is in the advertising, sponsorships and broadcasting (or platforming in this case).

Yeah i get that, but as far as I know, there's no advertising on the livestream yet, the only sponsor is redbull and it's free on youtube. So the gate tickets, redbull and whatever they're making on merch is the only income they have.

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Re: What is PSL Skateboarding
« Reply #415 on: February 22, 2026, 02:18:53 AM »
Sucio and Ginwoo on the same team got me so fucking hyped.  So weird.  A skater with one of the most respected styles and trick selections, and one with one of the most criticized styles and trick selections.  But seeing them all be cool was so fun.  We all expect Ginwoo to be the best, but I think Sucio was the actual MVP, I was really impressed by his defense.  Laser flip was fucked.   ;DAnd seeing Nyjah V.S. Ginwoo is just perfect.

I despise all normal team sports, but I've always been able to relate when watching a live Tampa Pro/Am or something like that.  This is really fun, I wanted Los Santos to win so bad and it felt edge-of-the-seat, I looked forward to tonight, and barring the technical difficulty I was satisfied.

Dude agreed.  I’m a Los Santos fan now  ;D

File this under unpopular opinions but I really fuck with Ginwoo’s style.  It works for him.  And I like the double flips.  Too much fun.

Honestly dig all this shit so much.  The games this week were so much better.  Love the team hierarchies and dynamics.  Reminds me of King of the Road.  Just fun to see everyone out of their element and trying their best.

Mike Mo seems to keep tweaking this for the better.  Milou drops out and Suciu takes his spot!  People think Malto’s boring so they bring in Tim O’Connor!  Kelly Hart gets pasted by a GH video so they replace him with David Loy as the wrangler!

Crob even had courtside seats and might’ve brought a date.  Maybe the PSL fantasy app can allow bets on Crob’s sexuality next week?

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« Reply #416 on: February 22, 2026, 02:26:25 AM »
I enjoyed watching some of that.

I was one who thought that if they really want to make skateboarding competitions that the average sports fan will watch then they will need to make it more boring, and I think they've succeeded somewhat.

They probably need to make it simpler though, so if you're just flipping channels so to speak you don't feel confused by the rules but can just instantly pick up what's going on, like with other boring sports

If they could eventually geography-ize it, where the LA Flippies take on the SD Trickers and stuff, then I also think ma and pa will watch more

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« Reply #417 on: February 22, 2026, 06:48:50 AM »
It’s cool in theory but why is P.rod allowed to compete in his own park. Like dudes entire career anymore is skating that warehouse it’s not fair for other teams to compete against someone who’s trained on the thing day one. Honestly tho this shit is stupid and I hope Mike mo loses his house over this bullshit. No one wants to watch a game of slate they could literally piece together from five dudes ig stories any given day of the week.
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« Reply #418 on: February 22, 2026, 06:54:42 AM »
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« Reply #419 on: February 22, 2026, 07:11:31 AM »
feel asleep again its cool its there on youtube to watch
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