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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #180 on: April 29, 2008, 01:12:25 AM »
All these little grimy first time posting fuckers coming out of the woodwork need to sit down, shut the fuck up, watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_mg0exFEh0

And go do a fucking 5050 for the motherfucking CHIEF!

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what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
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Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.


You think he'd allow that kind of disorder? Here's the Slave sweatshop living up to its name:




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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #182 on: April 29, 2008, 05:24:27 AM »
were you guys expecting something more like this?


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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #183 on: April 29, 2008, 05:57:42 AM »
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what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
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Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.

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You think he'd allow that kind of disorder? Here's the Slave sweatshop living up to its name:



a few weeks ago i met some of the people protesting against asian sweatshops...
I kindly asked if i could see the label of the guys demonstration t-shirt.
it said MADE IN CHINA.
Some how they never bothered to check their own shit.
they went with the cheap option. (like most of us)
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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #184 on: April 29, 2008, 07:37:19 AM »
i guess i haven't been checking this thread, and i'm kind of glad about that. why is everyone coming at jt for the same shit they came at him for before? i thought we were past this?

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #185 on: April 29, 2008, 09:27:30 AM »
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what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
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Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.

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You think he'd allow that kind of disorder? Here's the Slave sweatshop living up to its name:


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a few weeks ago i met some of the people protesting against asian sweatshops...
I kindly asked if i could see the label of the guys demonstration t-shirt.
it said MADE IN CHINA.
Some how they never bothered to check their own shit.
they went with the cheap option. (like most of us)
Its getting harder and harder to get stuff that you know wasn't made using exploitation. Government deregulation is doing more than just throwing the U.S. into a recession.
And yes, going over the border to make products because the workers will do it for less is at least exploiting the situation, and likely is exploiting the workers.
That's the only issue that sours me on Jamie, but its not like he is the only one either. Its a problem I have with anybody in charge of a large corporation.
I've heard the shit Newton is talking about too, but generally just assume that all of the guys who own companies, from Andrew Reynolds to Rick Howard are probably ambitious egotists. Thats how you get to that point successfully. You don't make a profit by being nice!
I could give a shit if he made Chris Cole wear a bandana in his pocket. That's Chris Cole's issue to be pissed about or accept. Not mine.
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« Reply #186 on: April 29, 2008, 09:33:43 AM »
i guess i haven't been checking this thread, and i'm kind of glad about that. why is everyone coming at jt for the same shit they came at him for before? i thought we were past this?


because they didn't have the balls to say anything a year ago when it was already addressed.

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #187 on: April 29, 2008, 09:51:51 AM »
Its getting harder and harder to get stuff that you know wasn't made using exploitation. Government deregulation is doing more than just throwing the U.S. into a recession.
And yes, going over the border to make products because the workers will do it for less is at least exploiting the situation, and likely is exploiting the workers.
That's the only issue that sours me on Jamie, but its not like he is the only one either. Its a problem I have with anybody in charge of a large corporation.
I've heard the shit Newton is talking about too, but generally just assume that all of the guys who own companies, from Andrew Reynolds to Rick Howard are probably ambitious egotists. Thats how you get to that point successfully. You don't make a profit by being nice!
I could give a shit if he made Chris Cole wear a bandana in his pocket. That's Chris Cole's issue to be pissed about or accept. Not mine.

How about instead of broadly calling it deregulation, we point to a few specific causes:

-China's most favored nation status
-Nafta
-WTO
-millions in subsidies given to corporations who choose to ship their job's overseas.

A lot of these ideas originated in, or at least we're reinforced in Clinton's presidency.

And you always have jackasses like Thomas Friedman making a case for globalization, and most of the ignorant public not even noticing or caring to notice what's going on.

American's have a hard time looking past the first intial question and answer. Like "who attacked us on 9/11" "terrorists!" the end, lets go to war, and never think about the causes of terrorism or whether or what our leaders are doing is motivated by. "What's happening to all our manufacturing plants?" "They're all going overseas!" "DAMN YOU EVIL CORPORATIONS!! "Hmm, I'm so mad, I need a new sweater, let's head oer to wal-mart"

They don't look  past that, to see that their dollar votes constantly re-enforce the corporation's moves. If the public would ban together and refuse to purchase goods made in China or wherever, then they would have some serious leverage, having the most wealthy market of any country.

Even if our government had any serious desire to influence change in China's human rights abuses, we really can't say much at this point, considering they own a lot of the country, and we owe the cost of the Iraq war to them, as we're paying for said war with money borrowed from them. Which will be a debt in the trillions. One day you think you're gonna wake up and everyone is gonna get it, they're gonna look past what the TV people tell them, and look at what these policies do to their own lives.

But they'll never look past the first question and answer. So we talk about lapel pins.

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #188 on: April 29, 2008, 09:56:41 AM »
no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that.  so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful.  if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today.  when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.

for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US. 
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year.  i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?


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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #189 on: April 29, 2008, 10:06:10 AM »
I can't believe that was already a year ago. That thread had some great gay porn related jokes in it.

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« Reply #190 on: April 29, 2008, 10:08:42 AM »
Blackbox posts are the new Zeitgeist and Loose Change threads.

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #191 on: April 29, 2008, 10:11:22 AM »
no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that.  so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful.  if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today.  when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.

for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US. 
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year.  i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?

You're a bit back and forth on this one. Yes, corporations are required to make as much money as possible, HMO's are a prime example of this.  But you seem to believe that this has always been the case and always will be the case. Corporations have not always existed and theres no reason to believe that they must continue to exist in the way we know them now. I would prefer we dismantle the whole system, as I think they're no justification for there to be pieces of paper that gain personhood status so that a small group of people can fuck over the majority of the planet and make a gigantic amount of money.

But I doubt they will ever be done away with. What can be done is to constantly monitor and regulate the fuck out of them. Push for reforms that reward companies who stay inside the US and push for stiff penalties for those that leave.

Also, recently i've grown warm to the idea of a cap on profits made to individuals within a corporation, especially for corporations that operate in these distasteful ways.

You seem to be saying "aw shucks you idiots, this is just the natural way things have to be" which is bullshit. The way corporations came to be is anything but natural, and it is very reasonable to think that we can change the way they must operate if they want to continue to do business in the US.
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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #192 on: April 29, 2008, 10:12:04 AM »
Blackbox posts are the new Zeitgeist and Loose Change threads.

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #193 on: April 29, 2008, 10:19:23 AM »
no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that.  so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful.  if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today.  when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.

for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US. 
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year.  i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?



but would you pay twice as much for a t shirt that's made in america? seems to me most people wouldn't sacrifice their livelyhood to help support blue collar america.

and on the sweatshop tip, yeah the working conditions are shit and it's a shitty existence, but what happens when the factory's go away? surely things would get even worst for these people. you can't really expect that 3rd world country's will support a standard of living that is comparible in anyway to that of the richest country's in the world. of course the work conditions will be shit in a 3rd world contry, just like the sanitation, education, civil order and everything else that we take for granted would be shit compared to what we're used to. and no amount of hyppie idealism will change that fact.

pragmatism aside, i still doubt that most people would pay more for better working conditions for blue collar laborers at home or overseas and it's unfair to act like Jamie has some obligation to put his companies money and employees livelyhood where our mouth is, when we aren't even willing to do it.

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #194 on: April 29, 2008, 10:25:49 AM »
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no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that.  so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful.  if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today.  when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.

for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US. 
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year.  i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?
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You're a bit back and forth on this one. Yes, corporations are required to make as much money as possible, HMO's are a prime example of this.  But you seem to believe that this has always been the case and always will be the case. Corporations have not always existed and theres no reason to believe that they must continue to exist in the way we know them now. I would prefer we dismantle the whole system, as I think they're no justification for there to be pieces of paper that gain personhood status so that a small group of people can fuck over the majority of the planet and make a gigantic amount of money.

But I doubt they will ever be done away with. What can be done is to constantly monitor and regulate the fuck out of them. Push for reforms that reward companies who stay inside the US and push for stiff penalties for those that leave.

Also, recently i've grown warm to the idea of a cap on profits made to individuals within a corporation, especially for corporations that operate in these distasteful ways.

You seem to be saying "aw shucks you idiots, this is just the natural way things have to be" which is bullshit. The way corporations came to be is anything but natural, and it is very reasonable to think that we can change the way they must operate if they want to continue to do business in the US.

what do you do for a living Mr. Dagger?
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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #195 on: April 29, 2008, 10:29:06 AM »
yea, i'd like to know as well.

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #196 on: April 29, 2008, 10:29:56 AM »
I know what we have going on in Mexico and it's far from exploitation. We offer good wages, insurance and stable work in a clean environment. All of which are hard to find in Mexico.
The reality is that we have to make our boards elsewhere to give shops the prices they not only want but need to survive.
It also helps us, as dude mentioned above, to pay our riders, employees and to afford the marketing to support our brands and the industry. You can sit from the computer in the school library and dream of ideal scenarios for business you might run one day, but making it work with over 75 employees and 50 team riders is another story.
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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #197 on: April 29, 2008, 10:30:34 AM »
Deregulation as some sort of "good thing" and the implication that "what is good for general motors is good for America" had its roots way before Clinton. Its most recent incarnation was brought back by my screennamesake with his industry deregulation and anti organized labor stance. By the time Clinton got into office the trend was going that way, and people for some reason again thought that deregulating was the only way to go. Clinton, being a politician first and foremost, did what was popular.
Of course, the public is incredibly stupid and has no sense of history.   
   For the record though, Bush started tax breaks for companies that ship jobs over the border, and other deregulation such as relaxing USURY laws for credit card companies (can you say 'credit crunch'), and making it so now a single corporation can own as many t.v. or radio stations as they want.
     Every time we have moved this way it has had the same result: economic disaster. Whether it was the recession at the end of Reagan's presidency, the great depression, the depression of 1893, or the recent sub prime mortgage meltdown. Its always because of the government's refusal to step in and take power away from corporations. They won't regulate themselves.
Also, even in the "good times" before the meltdowns inevitably take place, its only the richest who benefit. See, the company owner, who we'll just call TJ gets to rake in extra profits while the labor he exploits in, say, Mexico, makes less money. Who's gonna make him give up that extra money? The non-union foreigners? Fuck them! They are lucky TJ hasn't moved production over to China like other companies. They better shut the fuck up and enjoy earning less than the American minimum wage, or they'll lose it.
TJ gets rich, workers stay poor.
Of course, TJ isn't out of the norm. His practices are what most do to stay iin business. Does it make TJ a bad person for doing this? Yes, slavery was the norm at one point too, but it was "just how we keep the price of cotton down, do you know how much it would cost without slavery?" It is how it is, but a good person wouldn't sit idly and let that be.
Dollar diplomacy is a good concept, but only works to a certain extent. I always think about chattle slavery in the U.S. as the example. When the market gets dominated by immoral labor practices, eventually it becomes too difficult to steer away from it. In the 1830's in America, if you wanted cotton, a slave picked it. You had no other choice. Which is why the market can not, on its own, fix moral issues, and you need an outside force coming in to fix it.
  And Brawler, this stuff we talk about aren't conspiracy theories or nut job ideas. Its very well based in history and economics, and the "things just are how they are" people just want to marginalize the idea of considering morality when running a business.
It shouldn't be.
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« Reply #198 on: April 29, 2008, 10:33:13 AM »
making it work with over 75 employees and 50 team riders is another story.

maybe you should fire a few riders?

start with yourself. you've been shit for years.

then lopez obv.

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« Reply #199 on: April 29, 2008, 10:36:03 AM »
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no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that.  so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful.  if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today.  when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.

for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US. 
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year.  i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?
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You're a bit back and forth on this one. Yes, corporations are required to make as much money as possible, HMO's are a prime example of this.  But you seem to believe that this has always been the case and always will be the case. Corporations have not always existed and theres no reason to believe that they must continue to exist in the way we know them now. I would prefer we dismantle the whole system, as I think they're no justification for there to be pieces of paper that gain personhood status so that a small group of people can fuck over the majority of the planet and make a gigantic amount of money.

But I doubt they will ever be done away with. What can be done is to constantly monitor and regulate the fuck out of them. Push for reforms that reward companies who stay inside the US and push for stiff penalties for those that leave.

Also, recently i've grown warm to the idea of a cap on profits made to individuals within a corporation, especially for corporations that operate in these distasteful ways.

You seem to be saying "aw shucks you idiots, this is just the natural way things have to be" which is bullshit. The way corporations came to be is anything but natural, and it is very reasonable to think that we can change the way they must operate if they want to continue to do business in the US.

i'm back and forth because i try to keep an open mind and not take sides.
when you pick one side over another, you're saying one side is right and the other side is wrong, when in life i know theres no such thing as absolute right or an absolute wrong.

i see your point of view but in the end, people only care about the bottom line, money....and this has always been the case.           
trying to convince a bunch of businessmen to make less money, is like me trying to convince a jew to marry a nazi...its just not happening.
 

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #200 on: April 29, 2008, 10:36:44 AM »
Mr. Gipper, I am aware of your status as a teacher.
I'm too stupid to digest most of what you just said, but none-the-less, I thank you for the economic lesson.
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« Reply #201 on: April 29, 2008, 10:36:57 AM »
I'm a 23 year old computer technician at our county school system in rural western NC, I like long walks on the beach and going to new restraunts.

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« Reply #202 on: April 29, 2008, 10:37:28 AM »
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making it work with over 75 employees and 50 team riders is another story.
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maybe you should fire a few riders?

start with yourself. you've been shit for years.

then lopez obv.


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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #203 on: April 29, 2008, 10:46:38 AM »
Gipper is usually on point but i'm pretty sure you over simplified the causes of economic down turns which are generally complex and often involve nebulous causes like pschology, global events like wars, natural disasters...

for one thing over regulation can be just a stiffling to an economy as under regulated. the colapse of western communism seems like it had everything to do with a lack of the influence of adam smith's invisible hand.

also if we over regulate to a point that our goods and services are unable to compete in a global economy for the sake of idealism then imports become increasingly greater than exports, followed by devaluation of the dollar, and then economic downward spiral, etc...


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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #204 on: April 29, 2008, 10:49:03 AM »
Can the Slap Illuminati please get Ron Paul elected? Kind of like the Pete Eldridge petitions..
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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #205 on: April 29, 2008, 10:49:32 AM »
i'm back and forth because i try to keep an open mind and not take sides.
when you pick one side over another, you're saying one side is right and the other side is wrong, when in life i know theres no such thing as absolute right or an absolute wrong.

i see your point of view but in the end, people only care about the bottom line, money....and this has always been the case.           
trying to convince a bunch of businessmen to make less money, is like me trying to convince a jew to marry a nazi...its just not happening.
 

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You must be a Thomas Friedman reader! Or some other NYT shit. Saying "well, I have an open mind and this is just really complicated" is just a lame cop-out. If you know there are no absolutes, isn't that..an absolute? I'm pretty sure facts do exist, and wether or not you agree or deny that, either way you're supporting that they do, get it? But lets not get sidetracked.

I wasn't talking about trying to convince buisnessmen of anything, I was saying the public COULD get off their asses and vote with their dollars, and force their congress to pass legislation to force the kind of regulations I'm talking about. This would FORCE change in many of the practices we are talking about today. It's really not all that far-fetched, look at the reforms that have been brought upon since the industrial revolution. Don't take it for granted that the factories in America today are much nicer places to be then they were even a hundred  years ago.

Societal changes come about when they are forced upon the people who control the country. Look at the civil rights movement. (we're you on the fence about this one? Open minded about slavery?) while racism still exists and much more is still to be done, the improvements that have been made in the rights of blacks took place because people demanded it.

First of all, theres not "2 sides" on any issue. There are infinite sides and possibilities to resolve any issue, it's weird how many people buy into this idea that the republican's and democrats make up for all the ideas possible. Most of the time they just echo each other in policies and are basically right-centrists in most of their policies. They use social issues to effectively separate themselves in the eyes of the American public, but it's bullshit.

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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #206 on: April 29, 2008, 10:52:00 AM »
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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #207 on: April 29, 2008, 10:53:00 AM »
All these little grimy first time posting fuckers coming out of the woodwork need to sit down, shut the fuck up, watch this:

And go do a fucking 5050 for the motherfucking CHIEF!



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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #208 on: April 29, 2008, 10:59:03 AM »
Gipper already covered a bunch of my points... I just say we need to bring back import tariffs, since it's the only way the US can actually be competitive with any industrial market. Make the imported shit more expensive, and as mentioned, stop dealing with countries with ongoing human rights violations. Just scale back everything to pre-Reagan economic policies and we're off to a good start. Faster, consider that the US was once a solid global competitor when it came to technology, textiles, autos and just about anything else a person would want to purchase... back in the days when Wal Mart was "Buy American!"

Deregulation, the dropping of tariffs, the idea that the US can sustain itself as a "service economy," and Thomas Friedman's bullshit "free market" speak... when in fact we have no such thing as a free market. There's not one big global market, all markets are controlled by the governments operating them by varying degrees... and when our market is dependent on the communists in China, the class systems in India, and the union busting in Mexico, then we're actually just sustaining an indentured servant or slave labor market. On the plus side, at least a US company can actually own a business in Mexico, versus the Chinese situation where you're basically "partnered" in.

I can't help but wonder... if one or two companies can afford to press wood here in the US, why can't more?



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Re: The Slap Message Boards and the Trial of Jamie Thomas
« Reply #209 on: April 29, 2008, 11:01:43 AM »
for one thing over regulation can be just a stiffling to an economy as under regulated. the colapse of western communism seems like it had everything to do with a lack of the influence of adam smith's invisible hand.

also if we over regulate to a point that our goods and services are unable to compete in a global economy for the sake of idealism then imports become increasingly greater than exports, followed by devaluation of the dollar, and then economic downward spiral, etc...

Yes too much regulation is bad, but it' is very clear that this isn't our problem right now. Call it regulation, call it what you want, anyone that looks at this issue objectively can see many clear examples of things that should be changed if we care about jobs and living in America. Most notably, are our: disasterious trade policies, billions in corporate subsidies, no-bid contracts at home and in iraq, and on and on. I think that there is a clear ground we could reach where you could do what you wanted, but if you want to run your business in America you must do it the right way, or at least not in a earth-destroying way. I don't think that would be anything close to the kind of fascist/communist systems you are describing. If anything, we have basically a government controlled by the corporations right now, which doesn't seem all that better than the inverse.
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