Spitfire formula four

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I asked Jim for venture style bushings when mine blew out and I couldn't find the same shaped bushings as the stock. Jim sent me a whole new pair, 4 dlx bushings, and a venture mug. DLX will get your back on your wheel for sure.

[RichardBarkley]

I asked Jim for venture style bushings when mine blew out and I couldn't find the same shaped bushings as the stock. Jim sent me a whole new pair, 4 dlx bushings, and a venture mug. DLX will get your back on your wheel for sure.

How did you get through to him?

I need to ask them something on ventures

[LebowskisRug]

I’ve gotten a response every time I’ve emailed the generic help email on any DLX site. Same dude answered for Thunder and Venture. In each case they sent me more bushings than I’ll ever need and a fat grip of stickers

[rocklobster]

I’ve gotten a response every time I’ve emailed the generic help email on any DLX site. Same dude answered for Thunder and Venture. In each case they sent me more bushings than I’ll ever need and a fat grip of stickers

Jim T and DLX (plus the brands under them) are active on IG, always get a reply from them within a day or 2.

[rocklobster]

Anyone rode Radials in 53mm recently? Really enjoyed the Radial Slims for the lock, Classics not so much, the rounded edge didn't work for me on locking into grinds.

[Paco Supreme]

I’ve just come off a set of radial 53s, onto conical fulls. I find the radials a healthy point between boxy conical wheels and the over round classics

[rocklobster]

I’ve just come off a set of radial 53s, onto conical fulls. I find the radials a healthy point between boxy conical wheels and the over round classics

Nice, would like preferred Radial Slims but those are hard to come by these days. I'm riding some skinny Autobahn Dual Durometers, even though they weigh the same as Classics they feel much more nimble. Must be the hard plastic core adding weight.

53mm Classics - 53 x 33 x 16
53mm Radials - 53 x 33 x 19.5
53mm Radial Slims - 53 x 30.5 x 19
53mm Conical Full - 53 x 33.5 x 21.5

[newguy]

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slap pals, think i may have got a defective wheel or just some bad luck. one out of set of four of my 97du formula 4’s has wigged out on me. this is after 3 maybe 4 times using them maximum, as you can see from the other three wheels theyve barely broken in. the surface of the wheel (other than the cracking) is what id describe as dusty/powdery

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Looks like they ran out of their secret congealant, cum from a hellride skater.
Of course hellride skaters have abnormally  huge balls, and Spitfire has a special facility for milking these glands. Usually skaters visit for a week or so to get milked, usually right after a hellride. Marketing plays into this as well, and until now thru have had a more-or-less steady supply.

But with hellride becoming more and more scarce with the younger generation (SLAP’s cheerful mocking of hellride is well known at Spitfire), I’m afraid that we’ll see more QC issues like sugary wheels, or they might have to change their formula to F5, which is in its experimental stage, and requires milking extreme pogostick athletes.

Will the pogo stick cum give us more air time on lilies and transition though

[Mbrimson88]

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I’ve just come off a set of radial 53s, onto conical fulls. I find the radials a healthy point between boxy conical wheels and the over round classics

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Nice, would like preferred Radial Slims but those are hard to come by these days. I'm riding some skinny Autobahn Dual Durometers, even though they weigh the same as Classics they feel much more nimble. Must be the hard plastic core adding weight.

53mm Classics - 53 x 33 x 16
53mm Radials - 53 x 33 x 19.5
53mm Radial Slims - 53 x 30.5 x 19
53mm Conical Full - 53 x 33.5 x 21.5

I still have a few sets and prefer them right out of the packet compared to classics, which I like once they have worn down a few mm, so that would be a +1 from me for radials. 

Not sure if the extra width would make you over think them, or if they do feel a bit wide, compared to Radial Slims, but I think that size and shape is a winner.

[RichardAsh]

First off spitfire is my #1 choice for skateboard wheels. These wheels last me a long time and don’t get flat spots easily. Spitfire wheels have always been favored by most skaters because they are reliable and smooth. This is the first time I’ve bought 48mm wheels and I love them.

[DillsDarts]

So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???

[HyenaChaser]

So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???

I skate mostly street and always use conical full 55s. If I skate transition it’s basically just surfing the bowl or very basic mini ramp. But I like the conical fills for ledge dancing and manual finagling, especially on rougher ground. So in my opinion you may already be good to go.

[listentoaheartbeat]

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So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???

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I skate mostly street and always use conical full 55s. If I skate transition it’s basically just surfing the bowl or very basic mini ramp. But I like the conical fills for ledge dancing and manual finagling, especially on rougher ground. So in my opinion you may already be good to go.

I am using two setups now, a 9.81" Krooked Gonzales with 56mm Conical Fulls for transition, and 9.25" Heroin popsicle with 52mm Classics for street. Love the speed, stability, and lock-in of the Conical Fulls in the bowl. However, I can skate the bowl using the Classics better than I can skate street with the Conical Fulls.

Obviously, the size is a major factor, however I really enjoy the smaller resistance of the Classics when skating ledges and flat ground. If I had to pick one wheel, it would be the Classics, maybe 54mm instead of 52mm. This favors tech over crust though, I think it’s hard to balance those.

[Mbrimson88]

So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???

In the shapes department, squarer shapes like Conical Full and OG Classics with wider riding surface are good for crust, grip and locking in to things more, or to redefine, they will hold you onto an edge more so than rounder shapes.  Classic / round shapes are easier to get on and off edges and coping, sometimes with people saying they cannot lock in as easily, or slip out a lot more than with them too, but I feel like Classics / rounder wheels make it easier to grind further on coping, but that is just me.

Both work well for various things, but as with almost all Spitfires, the size goes up proportionately so the taller the wheel, the wider it is too.

If anyone was not quite sure of the sizes and shapes, there are a number of charts a few pages back, this one probably being the most up to date with info that is easy to see:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3587166#msg3587166


Thanks to @listentoaheartbeat for that too!

[MysticalTypeExperience]

So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???

Definitely some super soft, large wheels. Love my 56mm OJ Plain Janes. I could even go 58mm. I run risers though.

[listentoaheartbeat]

In the shapes department, squarer shapes like Conical Full and OG Classics with wider riding surface are good for crust, grip and locking in to things more, or to redefine, they will hold you onto an edge more so than rounder shapes.  Classic / round shapes are easier to get on and off edges and coping, sometimes with people saying they cannot lock in as easily, or slip out a lot more than with them too, but I feel like Classics / rounder wheels make it easier to grind further on coping, but that is just me.

Spot on, Conical Fulls or other conical shapes will lock-in securely even with moderate heel pressure, but there is more friction that will slow you down. Especially if the trucks have a deep groove. I’ve noticed lightweight folks don’t notice this as much, which makes sense. With the Classics I am applying much more heel pressure when grinding coping, especially Frontside.

I was skating the bowl with the small Classics yesterday and my grinds were much longer than with the large Conical Fulls, even though I was going slower in general. Speed is a major factor for me, I am more confident to go really fast with the wide riding surface and the more solid lock-in of the Conical Fulls. Night and day, frankly. I would never push corners as hard on the Classics, and be scared to miss a lock-in at full throttle.

[KushBush]

I think classic fulls are back. My local got some in, think I’ll try em. I prefer conical fulls for the rough ground but like classic for flip tricks more. Hoping the classic full will be a best of both worlds scenario.

[sharkin]

classic fulls are a fine choice

a little tough to lock in on coping but rolling over anything is nice

[Painted Baby]

Yeah the Classic Fulls are labelled Repeaters and have minimal graphics on them similar to those 50mm tablets from last year. Sadly no discounted price this time. They come in 52-54mm. I was hot to try them when they weren't available but I think Radials scratch the same itch for me.

[versacekid420]

 i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

[FrozenIndustries]

i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

Those wheels are treadded and aren't the right color. I kindly don't believe it.

edit: but if you do get a set, let us know how they are.

[versacekid420]

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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

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Those wheels are treadded and aren't the right color. I kindly don't believe it.

edit: but if you do get a set, let us know how they are.

see that’s what got me. the tread and the discoloration. in the first one i was like oh wow but then i slid through the pictures and that’s what lead me to ask the guy. i may get some just to see because they’re only $20 but i also don’t wanna be stuck with 101s if they suck

[Painted Baby]

FWIW Spitfires and any kind of bearings seem to be the most common counterfeit skate gear. I would save my dough or just buy a set of OJs or something because the likelihood those are true Spits is really low.

[Mbrimson88]

i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

Totally NOT at all anything to do with Spitfire or DLXSF.COM product.

There is a counterfeit thread still floating around (not updated for a minute) but the number of people who don't have a shop or legitimate seller account trying to sell off things like that on ebay is at an all time high, many claiming something, or having the fake wheels and other products but no ties to the skateboard industry, a shop, etc.

Sure they might be ok wheels to skate, but claiming they are from certain same manufacturers is very much a flat out lie.


COUNTERFEIT SKATE GEAR THREAD

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0

[versacekid420]

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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

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Totally NOT at all anything to do with Spitfire or DLXSF.COM product.

There is a counterfeit thread still floating around (not updated for a minute) but the number of people who don't have a shop or legitimate seller account trying to sell off things like that on ebay is at an all time high, many claiming something, or having the fake wheels and other products but no ties to the skateboard industry, a shop, etc.

Sure they might be ok wheels to skate, but claiming they are from certain same manufacturers is very much a flat out lie.


COUNTERFEIT SKATE GEAR THREAD

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0

glad you said this. thank you

[Mbrimson88]

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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

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Totally NOT at all anything to do with Spitfire or DLXSF.COM product.

There is a counterfeit thread still floating around (not updated for a minute) but the number of people who don't have a shop or legitimate seller account trying to sell off things like that on ebay is at an all time high, many claiming something, or having the fake wheels and other products but no ties to the skateboard industry, a shop, etc.

Sure they might be ok wheels to skate, but claiming they are from certain same manufacturers is very much a flat out lie.


COUNTERFEIT SKATE GEAR THREAD

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0

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glad you said this. thank you

Easy.

The funny thing, but also important point to note, always check the feedback, which in this case is pretty bad.

https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/skate_supply?lb=1


To quote the most recent one:

"False advertising. Not “spitfire formula four” in the slightest. Junk, soft generic mfg, seller claims made at same factory which doesn’t make them “spitfire” Ebay please remove this seller from the ebay community, which is based on trust and integrity. This seller even outright lied when I specifically asked if they were spitfires, prior to my purchase!. , absolute scam scam scam scam scam scam scam, not spitfire, do not buy from this liar."

[manysnakes]

i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

Absolutely not Spitfires, just cheap imported junk from a seller without scruples

[rocklobster]

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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

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Absolutely not Spitfires, just cheap imported junk from a seller without scruples

There are loads of these guys on China shopping platforms, claiming they are from the same factory as Spitfire. They even post up videos of Chinese workers in a factory in China, sorting and packaging the wheels. Which is strange because Spitfires are made in North America / Mexico.

Ok for $3, definitely not worth it for $20 - fine for a beginner but if you've ridden the good stuff before you'll fine these sorely lacking. I sure hope you like sticking on your slides because these are the stickiest wheels I've ever ridden.

[skateviewer]

in case anyone was curious, here’s the classic full measurements (bought a set of the 53mm today, noticed it wasn’t on the formula four page)

[Mbrimson88]

in case anyone was curious, here’s the classic full measurements (bought a set of the 53mm today, noticed it wasn’t on the formula four page)

Thanks!



It is funny they have pulled almost all the info for the Classic Full, but even more funny they still haven't actually got the right measurements in there, especially for the bigger wheel sizes.

I think the 53mm was about right, but the 54 and up were wider overall that what is listed.

How were yours?


This was a post from back in June when I measured some of the sets I had:


Classic Full are a wider wheel overall, so add 1 to 2 mm to the middle width of classics, but yeah only 1 or 2 mm total width difference, to .5 mm difference between classic to radials.

I should take a pic of the Classic Full packaging, but they actually get all the measurements wrong.


Fixed the widths to be more accurate, although I think they were maybe .5 mm wider in the 56 and 58 mm sizes.