Spitfire formula four

[DERBY]

anyone got the measurements for the classic full?

[Xen]

https://letmegooglethat.com/

[DERBY]

https://letmegooglethat.com/

thanks man i had a look at this while ago but was weirded how the width on the fulls were smaller

[Xen]

It’s all about the riding surface with classic fulls compared to classics.

[DERBY]

It’s all about the riding surface with classic fulls compared to classics.

ooh gotcha. thanks for the clarification dawg

[Xen]

Well the fulls are wider, except the 53/58mm?

Who knows, typos/inaccurate measurements?

[Mbrimson88]

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thanks man i had a look at this while ago but was weirded how the width on the fulls were smaller

The dimensions over 54 mm were always off, especially in the 56 and 58 mm sizes, which is what I usually had (and still do have).



So the sizes are really as follows:


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


*  The 54.5 were the Cardiel specials, just in case anyone was confused.


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Sorry if it might seem like I am being overbearing.  It just bugs me when they could never get their size chart right for some reason.

[Mbrimson88]

https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel?fbclid=PAAaZ1PR8KkiCWypS6LCKuUm21O27pdN58xPLy5IoUts0dWc0_2C5xj1VSb9Q

ayo 54mm classic full

I didn't know they had the Classic Full in 56 mm out as well, but saw someone had bought them recently in another thread.

You can see the extra width overall, as well as riding surface there in the pic.


https://limosineskateboards.com/products/copy-of-max-palmer-limosine-56-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel






Compared to the 54 mm size of the Classic Full wheel


https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel

[DERBY]

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thanks man i had a look at this while ago but was weirded how the width on the fulls were smaller

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The dimensions over 54 mm were always off, especially in the 56 and 58 mm sizes, which is what I usually had (and still do have).



So the sizes are really as follows:


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


*  The 54.5 were the Cardiel specials, just in case anyone was confused.


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Sorry if it might seem like I am being overbearing.  It just bugs me when they could never get their size chart right for some reason.

no need to apologize. thank you this is exactly what i was looking and hoping for. the measurements of the 56 look really good

[Ourladyoftheflowers]

Had to grab some new wheels from my local. Got 58 f4 conical fulls. They’re pretty much white. As long as they function like a formula four it’s fine but I was almost disappointed it wasn’t potato color

[WideFeet]

Had to grab some new wheels from my local. Got 58 f4 conical fulls. They’re pretty much white. As long as they function like a formula four it’s fine but I was almost disappointed it wasn’t potato color

I’m actually stoked that they’re white now. Before F4’s were the end all be all of wheels, I used to love getting a brand new set of wheels. Sparking white. Subtle flex at the skatepark. One of the placebo effects for me personally. Flexing new gear, I was definitely going to skating better

[spacial_profiling]

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Had to grab some new wheels from my local. Got 58 f4 conical fulls. They’re pretty much white. As long as they function like a formula four it’s fine but I was almost disappointed it wasn’t potato color

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I’m actually stoked that they’re white now. Before F4’s were the end all be all of wheels, I used to love getting a brand new set of wheels. Sparking white. Subtle flex at the skatepark. One of the placebo effects for me personally. Flexing new gear, I was definitely going to skating better

White wheels = mid 90’s - mid 00’s steelo. Made me think of the @koolmoeleo page.

[Nth syd bear]

I got these ones not sure why other than I was searching lil smokies
Came across these and had a moment



Never had swirls in my life,  I like them but I think on someone else's setup

[Mbrimson88]

I got these ones not sure why other than I was searching lil smokies
Came across these and had a moment


Never had swirls in my life,  I like them but I think on someone else's setup

I kept looking at those on ebay.com.au / Kickpush shop but I kept thinking they are too small and I don't need more wheels, but there are still two sets in stock.

Do they look better in the stock picture than they do in real life???


https://www.kickpush.com.au/spitfire-lil-smokies-swirl-f4-99d-51mm-skateboard

[Mbrimson88]

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Also the reason I got back online was to post this:

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Also the reason I got back online was to post this:

What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s

[Nth syd bear]

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I got these ones not sure why other than I was searching lil smokies
Came across these and had a moment


Never had swirls in my life,  I like them but I think on someone else's setup

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I kept looking at those on ebay.com.au / Kickpush shop but I kept thinking they are too small and I don't need more wheels, but there are still two sets in stock.

Do they look better in the stock picture than they do in real life???


https://www.kickpush.com.au/spitfire-lil-smokies-swirl-f4-99d-51mm-skateboard

^^ that video,  I too would like to hear some feedback from anyone on here who's dyed f4's before

@Mbrimson88  Those wheels look good irl but I've just gotten use to the shape of 50mm f4 classics
Coloured conical fulls is a bit different

[BL0B]

What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s

idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.

[Mbrimson88]

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There are definitely different ways to make it work, but the few sets I have seen others dye penetrated less than a single mm into the wheel.  They looked good when done, then kinda looked cool too when they wore down as the sidewall was still coloured but the riding surface was back to a natural colour.  Not sure if some wheels had the dye really get in a lot more than others, but also keen to hear if anyone else has done this and have their results show.


Darren Navarrette used to bulk dye a lot of the original formula Spitfires in tubs where they would sit on skewers / sticks to hold the wheels half in / half out to get some crazy trippy combos like this page:


https://www.skeletonkeymfg.com/creature-bat-wing.html






Then the Spitfire and Skeleton Key colab had a single half dyed wheel with three plain too.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spitfire-x-skeletonkey/


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/spitfire-wheels-x-skeleton-key-mfg-99d-skateboard-wheels-59mm-p26672

[rawbertson.]

lol skeleton key... 

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid

[Mbrimson88]

lol skeleton key... 

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid

I think the technology has now come far enough that any of the different coloured Spitfire wheels still feel the same in terms of hardness, slide and longevity.

From the half a dozen sets of different colours I have had / still have in used sets in 99 duro, be it the solid single colours or the mix n match or even swirls, they all seemed to be the same, but like you said, some others have definitely felt like other wheels were harder or softer in different colours.


Back in the day, people would often get certain colour wheels if they wanted softer and others if they wanted harder because some of the dyes really did affect the performance of the wheels.

[roll_dog]

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lol skeleton key... 

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid

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I think the technology has now come far enough that any of the different coloured Spitfire wheels still feel the same in terms of hardness, slide and longevity.

From the half a dozen sets of different colours I have had / still have in used sets in 99 duro, be it the solid single colours or the mix n match or even swirls, they all seemed to be the same, but like you said, some others have definitely felt like other wheels were harder or softer in different colours.


Back in the day, people would often get certain colour wheels if they wanted softer and others if they wanted harder because some of the dyes really did affect the performance of the wheels.

Still happening now really, everyone who rode the old white 99a STFs liked them better than the new brown ones.

[WideFeet]

Recently got 54mm Conical 101’s. Stoked on the decision. Thanks for everyone’s input!

[Xen]

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lol skeleton key... 

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid

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I think the technology has now come far enough that any of the different coloured Spitfire wheels still feel the same in terms of hardness, slide and longevity.

From the half a dozen sets of different colours I have had / still have in used sets in 99 duro, be it the solid single colours or the mix n match or even swirls, they all seemed to be the same, but like you said, some others have definitely felt like other wheels were harder or softer in different colours.


Back in the day, people would often get certain colour wheels if they wanted softer and others if they wanted harder because some of the dyes really did affect the performance of the wheels.

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Still happening now really, everyone who rode the old white 99a STFs liked them better than the new brown ones.

The yellow STFs felt like older school petroleum based urethanes, not plasticy and more like F4s; I’d snag them whenever I could.

Brown/ off white STFs are garbage these days.

[beandemon]

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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s

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idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.

Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.

[Mbrimson88]

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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s

[close]

idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.

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Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.

How far in did it penetrate?

Riding surface is what I had in mind, or how long did you skate them?

Thanks.

[Banned from the room]

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There are definitely different ways to make it work, but the few sets I have seen others dye penetrated less than a single mm into the wheel.  They looked good when done, then kinda looked cool too when they wore down as the sidewall was still coloured but the riding surface was back to a natural colour.  Not sure if some wheels had the dye really get in a lot more than others, but also keen to hear if anyone else has done this and have their results show.


Darren Navarrette used to bulk dye a lot of the original formula Spitfires in tubs where they would sit on skewers / sticks to hold the wheels half in / half out to get some crazy trippy combos like this page:


https://www.skeletonkeymfg.com/creature-bat-wing.html






Then the Spitfire and Skeleton Key colab had a single half dyed wheel with three plain too.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spitfire-x-skeletonkey/


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/spitfire-wheels-x-skeleton-key-mfg-99d-skateboard-wheels-59mm-p26672

those are killer

[beandemon]

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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s

[close]

idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.

[close]

Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.

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How far in did it penetrate?

Riding surface is what I had in mind, or how long did you skate them?

Thanks.

Wow. I just cut one in half. Way more than I thought. I’d say it penetrated 6mm or so. Biggest thing I see is that the outer couple mms are the darkest, so the riding surface will show wear, but it’s a long way before getting to natural. From what I remember, that one soaked for several days but less than a week.  Also, it’s surprisingly easy to cut a 95a wheel in half with a sharp knife.

[SlapMcKracken]

First time skating f4s 99s.
In a slick park I have the feeling they don’t grip as good as other wheels. I had stf‘s for example. I even had orbs. When landing a bit sideway and slide a backside 180 around they don’t grip hood to me. I hope this will change when I’m used to them

[camel filters]

First time skating f4s 99s.
In a slick park I have the feeling they don’t grip as good as other wheels. I had stf‘s for example. I even had orbs. When landing a bit sideway and slide a backside 180 around they don’t grip hood to me. I hope this will change when I’m used to them

Ride around some rough terrain to create some texture on the riding surface and they should be way better.