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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5880 on: March 25, 2024, 03:08:33 PM »
93a’s will be available for shops to order on April 1st.

So, they should hit your local shop that week, or the next week. Depending on where your shop is located in the country.

Some other shops may have them online on April first. I saw Val Surf already has them in store. I could see local Bay Area shops close to Deluxe having them April 1st or 2nd

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5881 on: March 25, 2024, 06:08:26 PM »
I realllly hope they have them at skatepark of Tampa when I am there for the contest !!! Will probably be a lot later until we get them in Canada

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5882 on: March 25, 2024, 09:34:14 PM »
I hope it's a smash hit. Dlxsf has been really shining for us. Good products good events hilarious times of pain.

I want another 100 years of it

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5883 on: March 25, 2024, 10:05:34 PM »
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Yeah stoked to try these especially after the reviews I've read here about them. Gotta ask my local about them as he told me no one besides me rides classics around here so will have to ask him to get the 52's for me.
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damn nobody else in the entire area buys classics?

Nope. The ones he has in store are on sale (€50 instead of €70 or whatever) as literally I'm the only one who buys them now. Everyone else is wide wheels.

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« Reply #5884 on: March 25, 2024, 10:57:34 PM »
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Yeah stoked to try these especially after the reviews I've read here about them. Gotta ask my local about them as he told me no one besides me rides classics around here so will have to ask him to get the 52's for me.
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damn nobody else in the entire area buys classics?
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Nope. The ones he has in store are on sale (€50 instead of €70 or whatever) as literally I'm the only one who buys them now. Everyone else is wide wheels.

What do y'all skate? Is is crusty or more plaza like?

There's a few kids here on classics. They park a lot. Rip handrails in the streets too tho.

I classic once in a while but mostly now I'm older I like wide. Shits really crusty out here

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5885 on: March 26, 2024, 04:54:41 AM »
Classics are only like .5mm skinnier than conical fulls
They all end up pretty much the same in the end for the most part between radial, classic, and conical full.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5886 on: March 26, 2024, 05:31:29 AM »
Classics are only like .5mm skinnier than conical fulls
They all end up pretty much the same in the end for the most part between radial, classic, and conical full.

I know this is hyperbole but the 54mm Classics have a 16.5mm riding surface while the 54mm Conical Fulls have a 22mm riding surface so they are 33% larger which is pretty significant.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5887 on: March 26, 2024, 06:37:08 AM »
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Classics are only like .5mm skinnier than conical fulls
They all end up pretty much the same in the end for the most part between radial, classic, and conical full.
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I know this is hyperbole but the 54mm Classics have a 16.5mm riding surface while the 54mm Conical Fulls have a 22mm riding surface so they are 33% larger which is pretty significant.

i think he meant like overall width, not contact patch.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5888 on: March 26, 2024, 06:40:07 AM »
Well that Dad Board review certainly makes it sound like these -aren’t- just a softer 97… hooray!!

sounds like my next crust wheel when they pour a 52-54 Conical Full

Honestly though credit to George P for pushing the standard to this level, expect I’ll keep the Mini-Dragons on my old school big boy. Regular pops I just prefer Spits shapes.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5889 on: March 26, 2024, 07:05:47 AM »
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Classics are only like .5mm skinnier than conical fulls
They all end up pretty much the same in the end for the most part between radial, classic, and conical full.
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I know this is hyperbole but the 54mm Classics have a 16.5mm riding surface while the 54mm Conical Fulls have a 22mm riding surface so they are 33% larger which is pretty significant.
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i think he meant like overall width, not contact patch.

yep exactly. once you wear it down, then the riding surface is just going to be the overall width

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5890 on: March 26, 2024, 07:31:24 AM »
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Classics are only like .5mm skinnier than conical fulls
They all end up pretty much the same in the end for the most part between radial, classic, and conical full.
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I know this is hyperbole but the 54mm Classics have a 16.5mm riding surface while the 54mm Conical Fulls have a 22mm riding surface so they are 33% larger which is pretty significant.
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i think he meant like overall width, not contact patch.
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yep exactly. once you wear it down, then the riding surface is just going to be the overall width

I don't know how accurate the illustrations are in this guide are but it would take a pretty long time to get down to the max with of a classic due to the roundness of the outside walls. It's true that the classic is only 1mm thinner in total width but you would have to skate a 54mm down to like a 40mm before hitting the total width where a conical full would hit the total width way sooner (or just any width wider than its default riding surface width). I don't know if a classic would ever catch up to a conical full.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

Saying all that, I do ultimately agree that I don't think wheel shape makes as big of a difference as people think though. Like the idea that kick flips are easier with a rounded wheel. Whose wheels are still on the ground when the board starts flipping? That doesn't really make sense. I think the main difference would just be weight and grip but you could get used to that pretty quickly if both wheels were the same formula.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5891 on: March 26, 2024, 07:42:24 AM »
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Classics are only like .5mm skinnier than conical fulls
They all end up pretty much the same in the end for the most part between radial, classic, and conical full.
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I know this is hyperbole but the 54mm Classics have a 16.5mm riding surface while the 54mm Conical Fulls have a 22mm riding surface so they are 33% larger which is pretty significant.
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i think he meant like overall width, not contact patch.
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yep exactly. once you wear it down, then the riding surface is just going to be the overall width
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I don't know how accurate the illustrations are in this guide are but it would take a pretty long time to get down to the max with of a classic due to the roundness of the outside walls. It's true that the classic is only 1mm thinner in total width but you would have to skate a 54mm down to like a 40mm before hitting the total width where a conical full would hit the total width way sooner (or just any width wider than its default riding surface width). I don't know if a classic would ever catch up to a conical full.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

Saying all that, I do ultimately agree that I don't think wheel shape makes as big of a difference as people think though. Like the idea that kick flips are easier with a rounded wheel. Whose wheels are still on the ground when the board starts flipping? That doesn't really make sense. I think the main difference would just be weight and grip but you could get used to that pretty quickly if both wheels were the same formula.

it might be a task to track down, but i'm 99% sure someone has posted pics on here of a worn down set of wheels they calipered along with a fresh set specifically on this subject

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5892 on: March 26, 2024, 08:11:57 AM »
i ride my wheels down that far, maybe we should start a new thread for this lol. ill post pics when i get home. i have 51mm classics worn down to ~40mm and it took me less than 6 months, and 54mm conical full worn down to ~48mm which was not my main board and that took me about a year.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5893 on: March 26, 2024, 08:43:52 AM »
i ride my wheels down that far, maybe we should start a new thread for this lol. ill post pics when i get home. i have 51mm classics worn down to ~40mm and it took me less than 6 months, and 54mm conical full worn down to ~48mm which was not my main board and that took me about a year.

That would be interesting to see. I could only find side by side images of brand new wheels and not skated. The conical fulls seem so much more square but it's also possible that the round out after being skated bringing them closer to classics. I'm not sure any of this matters but the minutia is interesting.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5894 on: March 26, 2024, 09:21:55 AM »
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og classics get really sharp edges when they wear down…
right?
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Yes. Takes a while though. At least with 58s. That's the only set I've had. Purple and green. I need some gold now.

i wore mine down like 8mm and don't have sharp edges at all. but i've seen other who do for sure. maybe it depends on the skating.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5895 on: March 26, 2024, 09:31:04 AM »
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i ride my wheels down that far, maybe we should start a new thread for this lol. ill post pics when i get home. i have 51mm classics worn down to ~40mm and it took me less than 6 months, and 54mm conical full worn down to ~48mm which was not my main board and that took me about a year.
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That would be interesting to see. I could only find side by side images of brand new wheels and not skated. The conical fulls seem so much more square but it's also possible that the round out after being skated bringing them closer to classics. I'm not sure any of this matters but the minutia is interesting.

There is still a slight difference. The conical fulls look like absolute squares where the classics still have the tiniest bit of a rounded edge still. Kinda like a brand new conical full.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5896 on: March 26, 2024, 05:33:09 PM »
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Classics are only like .5mm skinnier than conical fulls
They all end up pretty much the same in the end for the most part between radial, classic, and conical full.
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I know this is hyperbole but the 54mm Classics have a 16.5mm riding surface while the 54mm Conical Fulls have a 22mm riding surface so they are 33% larger which is pretty significant.
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i think he meant like overall width, not contact patch.
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yep exactly. once you wear it down, then the riding surface is just going to be the overall width
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I don't know how accurate the illustrations are in this guide are but it would take a pretty long time to get down to the max with of a classic due to the roundness of the outside walls. It's true that the classic is only 1mm thinner in total width but you would have to skate a 54mm down to like a 40mm before hitting the total width where a conical full would hit the total width way sooner (or just any width wider than its default riding surface width). I don't know if a classic would ever catch up to a conical full.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

Saying all that, I do ultimately agree that I don't think wheel shape makes as big of a difference as people think though. Like the idea that kick flips are easier with a rounded wheel. Whose wheels are still on the ground when the board starts flipping? That doesn't really make sense. I think the main difference would just be weight and grip but you could get used to that pretty quickly if both wheels were the same formula.
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it might be a task to track down, but i'm 99% sure someone has posted pics on here of a worn down set of wheels they calipered along with a fresh set specifically on this subject



Pretty sure I had posted a few very worn down wheel pics at some point, but I know others had too, or when looking for images online, there were some crazy ones.


Before I forget too, that Spitfire page is the old one, so you would be better off going to the new one for more relevant info, pics, shapes, etc.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


As to wheels, especially larger wheels, I usually get a lot of wheels back from people as swaps and trades and some are so very worn in certain ways to make an inside or outside edge very sharp, some with a lot of chunks out, others a bit more smoothly rounded in the same shapes, so I can see some people doing certain things that would keep wheels a little less sharp, or certain tricks on certain terrain that make a difference.

Conical Full and similar conical shaped wheels are way more prone to getting a very sharp edge on them, just by looking at the wheel shapes and then running a line across them a few mm down.

Classics and more rounded wheels can still get sharpish edges, especially if they are not rotated, but more often than not, they take a lot longer and need to go through a lot more wear to get down to the max width of the wheel, by which time they are often well past what most people would ride anyway.

I can try to look for those wheel pics or take some more if people are super keen, but just playing edit with the wheel shape pics will give you the general idea.






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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5897 on: March 26, 2024, 06:05:00 PM »
If I could power slide again on skatepark smooth, that would be great.  The x97’s are a real pain the ass, and when they do slide they make zero noise.

On asphalt and rough concrete they do great.

Hoping to see the updated Dadboard review in a month of his skating the f4 93’s
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5898 on: March 28, 2024, 12:35:59 PM »
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og classics get really sharp edges when they wear down…
right?
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Yes. Takes a while though. At least with 58s. That's the only set I've had. Purple and green. I need some gold now.
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had the purple 58s too, they look like shit below 55mm
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I agree. They was my fall back piece wheel till my last two purchases. That really sharp edge is meh I guess.
Looks like a Zombu wheel tho. That's kinda cool.

I seen Dad Boards video today on the 93s. He said the radials come in 58.

I can't wait to see a set. Especially since the 97s are so bad ass. And he said they don't bounce like as bad as a dragon.
The sapphires was less bounty than the 80ds.

I should probably look to see if there's a Thorne video too. Ben Dad and Thorne are my main combined video source for product testing. As they are all similar to me in different ways.

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I'm assuming the 58 radial is going to be about 33 34mm wide since full isn't in the title.
That's sick if it's true.
 I'd like a 1/1 swap for my dragons. Which I enjoyed but definitely prefer Spit products. It's my shit. I liked pig too.

I'm just going to give the dragons to my brothers kids see if a soft wheel sparks interest. If it doesn't I'll take um back.

Hahahaha. Lil POSERS wanna play Roblox  ::)

They gotta earn the Spits. Old or not
Radials in 57 are 35.5 w/ a 22mm contact patch so 58s are probably 36/22.5ish. 57 is the highest Radial specs listed on the most recent Spit size guide I've seen.

Sorry just saw the size card in the Dad Board vid. 58 Radials are 38/25 so they are big mothers
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5899 on: March 28, 2024, 01:58:09 PM »
im pretty stoked on the 93 58mm f4. the dims are close to a 60mm classic. if the slide is good then imma ditch the 99s. toronto streets are just way too fucked

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5900 on: March 28, 2024, 04:09:17 PM »
If I could power slide again on skatepark smooth, that would be great.  The x97’s are a real pain the ass, and when they do slide they make zero noise.

On asphalt and rough concrete they do great.

Hoping to see the updated Dadboard review in a month of his skating the f4 93’s

the x97s do great on this blacktop parking lot i skate all the time. slide better than the f4 99s (just for little back 180 slides). no noise tho. haven’t tried em at the skatepark.

i’ve kinda been scared of the park lately.

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« Reply #5901 on: March 29, 2024, 09:43:33 AM »
I'm pretty sure I'm copping a set. This month is gonna be a good ass month.

Definitely depends on I can get 58s or better.

This is April coming up right

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5902 on: March 29, 2024, 03:46:12 PM »
I'm pretty sure I'm copping a set. This month is gonna be a good ass month.

Definitely depends on I can get 58s or better.

This is April coming up right


Yes, the 93 duro wheels due out in a couple of days for the local USA market, but some shops even had them up earlier from what others had said, eg Val Surf which had them all listed for a minute, then either sold out or took down those listings.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5903 on: March 29, 2024, 06:28:13 PM »




His riser positioning made me die a little inside...did he get universals/ventures and not the made for thunders?
https://youtu.be/S0Fn_H7YqAw?t=484

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« Reply #5904 on: March 29, 2024, 06:31:17 PM »
He set up the wrong risers for sure.

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« Reply #5905 on: March 29, 2024, 07:26:31 PM »
He set up the wrong risers for sure.

For sure wrong, but (I've never seen any of the 3-ply real risers first hand) even if he switched them around they still wouldn't line up 1:1?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5906 on: March 30, 2024, 12:39:54 AM »
Will the 93 bluntslide or will they be sticky on blunts like dragons????

If they slide, instant buy

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5907 on: March 30, 2024, 03:45:41 AM »
Will the 93 bluntslide or will they be sticky on blunts like dragons????

If they slide, instant buy


People have said they slide.

Can't remember who or where though.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5908 on: March 30, 2024, 03:56:26 AM »
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His riser positioning made me die a little inside...did he get universals/ventures and not the made for thunders?
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He set up the wrong risers for sure.
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For sure wrong, but (I've never seen any of the 3-ply real risers first hand) even if he switched them around they still wouldn't line up 1:1?


I guess because I pay attention to all the little things, I find it almost unwatchable / laughable / sad that some people really don't even do just a little research to get a bit more of an understanding about skate product and it really shows here in his last few videos, the unboxing of the DLX package, the setup video, which I didn't watch past getting a pic of those wheels and then as others say, the finished product.  I don't want to sound rude, but goodness he comes off as a bit of an idiot with so little product knowledge of anything that he gets out or looks at, then more so with that setup video.

He skates with and films with Ben de Gros, who could well be one of the most detailed and knowledgeable people posting videos and information, so it is almost like two opposites when I watch both of them at times.

Re those Real risers, sure they might not have had the correct risers in stock at whatever shop he went to - there are Thunder specific (blue), Venture specific (green) and Universal (yellow - Indy specific without saying it) which are pretty clearly labelled on the website, but even a number of other brands that have the long holes will fit Thunders well, so I will just leave it at that.


Any which way, I will still be super keen on those wheels and I did like the look of them for sure!



Link to those Real risers:

https://www.realskateboards.com/summer-2023/





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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5909 on: March 30, 2024, 10:51:11 AM »
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He set up the wrong risers for sure.
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For sure wrong, but (I've never seen any of the 3-ply real risers first hand) even if he switched them around they still wouldn't line up 1:1?
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I guess because I pay attention to all the little things, I find it almost unwatchable / laughable / sad that some people really don't even do just a little research to get a bit more of an understanding about skate product and it really shows here in his last few videos, the unboxing of the DLX package, the setup video, which I didn't watch past getting a pic of those wheels and then as others say, the finished product.  I don't want to sound rude, but goodness he comes off as a bit of an idiot with so little product knowledge of anything that he gets out or looks at, then more so with that setup video.

He skates with and films with Ben de Gros, who could well be one of the most detailed and knowledgeable people posting videos and information, so it is almost like two opposites when I watch both of them at times.

Re those Real risers, sure they might not have had the correct risers in stock at whatever shop he went to - there are Thunder specific (blue), Venture specific (green) and Universal (yellow - Indy specific without saying it) which are pretty clearly labelled on the website, but even a number of other brands that have the long holes will fit Thunders well, so I will just leave it at that.


Any which way, I will still be super keen on those wheels and I did like the look of them for sure!



Link to those Real risers:

https://www.realskateboards.com/summer-2023/







His are green so he was sent the Venture risers so even if he flipped them they'd be off (but waaaay better); I agree his videos are tough to watch - like the pros that speak of their indy titanium baseplates =D