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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5970 on: April 04, 2024, 12:44:30 PM »
Spitfire 93s better then dragons?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5971 on: April 04, 2024, 12:55:45 PM »
Definitely better than Dragons, tested them on my skatelite quarterpipe today, didn't feel slow and didn't grab my coping.
I was bouncing back and forth between 97's but i might be 93 on all terrains now.
Dragon wheels are insanely fast but sound more longboard and don't slide well on smoother ground,
93 spits worked well on all terrains i skated.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5972 on: April 04, 2024, 01:01:18 PM »
Definitely better than Dragons, tested them on my skatelite quarterpipe today, didn't feel slow and didn't grab my coping.
I was bouncing back and forth between 97's but i might be 93 on all terrains now.
Dragon wheels are insanely fast but sound more longboard and don't slide well on smoother ground,
93 spits worked well on all terrains i skated.

Have you tried them on indoor skatelite yet? It sounds like they'd be perfect for the slippery indoor park I skate sometimes.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5973 on: April 04, 2024, 02:12:57 PM »
My quarter is in my garage so i guess that qualifies,'was grippy for sure.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5974 on: April 04, 2024, 03:14:34 PM »
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The new 93 duro wheels are front and center of the Spitfire catalog now.

I think people have pretty much seen everything they need to know about them, but they have everything well set out for info, pics, etc.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2024/


Just posted / taken a couple of images from the catalog, more for specs than anything else.








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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5975 on: April 04, 2024, 04:20:22 PM »
I'll wait until they release these in 56-58mm radial full before I pull the trigger. Riding my 97a's in that shape and they're doing just fine.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5976 on: April 04, 2024, 04:29:56 PM »
I'll wait until they release these in 56-58mm radial full before I pull the trigger. Riding my 97a's in that shape and they're doing just fine.

That;s what I said. how long do you think you'll last before you pay that pal?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5977 on: April 04, 2024, 05:03:28 PM »
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I'll wait until they release these in 56-58mm radial full before I pull the trigger. Riding my 97a's in that shape and they're doing just fine.
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That;s what I said. how long do you think you'll last before you pay that pal?


I have the 54 mm Radial Full 97 duro wheels on an 8.75 white eagle, along with some old normal 58 mm Radials on another board and they are quite comparable - same 38 mm width, just bigger diameter.

Sure the bigger Radial Full are even wider, but I am pretty happy with 35 to 38 mm in total width all up, so I think the 93 duro in 58 mm Radial are a really good option there, for people wanting a big and wide wheel in the lower duro.

Also got the other sizes in Radial Full wheels still new in packs in bigger sizes too, but I feel like they are just a little too big for my liking, but I can definitely see their uses and why other people are all over them.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5978 on: April 04, 2024, 06:43:27 PM »
Just got my 54mm Radial 93’s in the mail and these are my first impressions:

They feel exactly like what I would imagine a 95a durometer wheel would feel like. Compared to the dragons, they are just a tad slower, louder, and definitely slide better. They don’t bounce nearly as bad as the dragons. The dragons sounded and felt like a longboard wheel, and these sound like a 99a with the volume turned down.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5979 on: April 04, 2024, 07:05:48 PM »
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His riser positioning made me die a little inside...did he get universals/ventures and not the made for thunders?
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He set up the wrong risers for sure.
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For sure wrong, but (I've never seen any of the 3-ply real risers first hand) even if he switched them around they still wouldn't line up 1:1?
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I guess because I pay attention to all the little things, I find it almost unwatchable / laughable / sad that some people really don't even do just a little research to get a bit more of an understanding about skate product and it really shows here in his last few videos, the unboxing of the DLX package, the setup video, which I didn't watch past getting a pic of those wheels and then as others say, the finished product.  I don't want to sound rude, but goodness he comes off as a bit of an idiot with so little product knowledge of anything that he gets out or looks at, then more so with that setup video.

He skates with and films with Ben de Gros, who could well be one of the most detailed and knowledgeable people posting videos and information, so it is almost like two opposites when I watch both of them at times.

Re those Real risers, sure they might not have had the correct risers in stock at whatever shop he went to - there are Thunder specific (blue), Venture specific (green) and Universal (yellow - Indy specific without saying it) which are pretty clearly labelled on the website, but even a number of other brands that have the long holes will fit Thunders well, so I will just leave it at that.


Any which way, I will still be super keen on those wheels and I did like the look of them for sure!



Link to those Real risers:

https://www.realskateboards.com/summer-2023/


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I back these for Venture all day. They last too. I'm like 18 months into a set. Thats like 3 sets of trucks. Mine are round af. It looks cool.

If I can afford it I'd always have a set on. I'm never going back to rubber. This sounds way way better. It's like your wearing nothing at all.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5980 on: April 04, 2024, 07:13:11 PM »
Definitely better than Dragons, tested them on my skatelite quarterpipe today, didn't feel slow and didn't grab my coping.
I was bouncing back and forth between 97's but i might be 93 on all terrains now.
Dragon wheels are insanely fast but sound more longboard and don't slide well on smoother ground,
93 spits worked well on all terrains i skated.

That's good news. I almost bought them I was like STOP YOU FRICKIN IDIOT! I literally bought two sets of 97s this year and I'm good for at least 3 months. One set are 58s.

As much as I want those other 58s I gotta get other stuff. I need a deck soon. I'm bummed. I'm in love with my current. Getting a one to one might be difficult.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5981 on: April 04, 2024, 10:00:22 PM »
I think I'm not getting these anytime soon since it will take a while for these to land in EU shops and I'm sitting on three pairs of Dragons and a few different sets of F4s (gonna sell/give away all my 97s probably). Also while waiting for these the hype will probably settle down a bit and I know for sure if they're worth it replacing my Dragons.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5982 on: April 04, 2024, 10:56:20 PM »
I'd like a really wild Spitfire wheel.
Something like 93s 50mm Radial Full.

Basically 50 - 52mm wheels with a wide riding surface.

Dad Board had a really good video about those new 93s.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5983 on: April 05, 2024, 01:29:43 AM »
I think I'm not getting these anytime soon since it will take a while for these to land in EU shops and I'm sitting on three pairs of Dragons and a few different sets of F4s (gonna sell/give away all my 97s probably). Also while waiting for these the hype will probably settle down a bit and I know for sure if they're worth it replacing my Dragons.

V7 distribution posted them two days ago and said soon ..so perhaps next weekend we will have them.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5984 on: April 05, 2024, 03:23:06 AM »
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I think I'm not getting these anytime soon since it will take a while for these to land in EU shops and I'm sitting on three pairs of Dragons and a few different sets of F4s (gonna sell/give away all my 97s probably). Also while waiting for these the hype will probably settle down a bit and I know for sure if they're worth it replacing my Dragons.
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V7 distribution posted them two days ago and said soon ..so perhaps next weekend we will have them.

Really? I gotta take that back then and see if can get a set.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5985 on: April 05, 2024, 03:25:30 AM »
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I think I'm not getting these anytime soon since it will take a while for these to land in EU shops and I'm sitting on three pairs of Dragons and a few different sets of F4s (gonna sell/give away all my 97s probably). Also while waiting for these the hype will probably settle down a bit and I know for sure if they're worth it replacing my Dragons.
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V7 distribution posted them two days ago and said soon ..so perhaps next weekend we will have them.
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Really? I gotta take that back then and see if can get a set.
I asked my local to order me some:


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5986 on: April 05, 2024, 03:27:13 AM »
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I think I'm not getting these anytime soon since it will take a while for these to land in EU shops and I'm sitting on three pairs of Dragons and a few different sets of F4s (gonna sell/give away all my 97s probably). Also while waiting for these the hype will probably settle down a bit and I know for sure if they're worth it replacing my Dragons.
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V7 distribution posted them two days ago and said soon ..so perhaps next weekend we will have them.
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Really? I gotta take that back then and see if can get a set.


I do think they have been fast tracked all round the world.

Still no other info on them, but all distros seem to be posting about them, if for nothing more than to get the hype up, but a release like this could warrant a few boxes being air expressed to lots of places, hence the quick release and world wide distribution as soon as they possibly can.

Will wait and see here in AU any which way, but I am keen to try some as well, more so the bigger Radials than anything else, but I guess I could get a set of each if I was really keen and one test set worked well for me.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5987 on: April 05, 2024, 05:41:22 AM »
Ordered 2 sets, looking forward to them
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5988 on: April 05, 2024, 06:47:55 AM »
Skated my local park after work yesterday, highly impressed with how fast I was going, my 97s are sluggish there. Tailslides and nose slides worked well on everything. Only complaint was we have this bench that is metal edged and sometimes I would stick on that. So far this wheel works almost everywhere.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5989 on: April 05, 2024, 09:11:24 AM »
Im interested how these compare to the 97s. To me it seems like the sentiment for the 93s is really positive while being very average for the 97s. 

As a 99a user that dabbles with 97s due to Pacific NW crust, I tend to agree with the line I always hear that "97s are better on rough ground, but not great for everything else".

For those of you who have already skated both, do the 93s feel faster on smooth ground and slide better than the 97s?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5990 on: April 05, 2024, 11:03:20 AM »
Im interested how these compare to the 97s. To me it seems like the sentiment for the 93s is really positive while being very average for the 97s. 

As a 99a user that dabbles with 97s due to Pacific NW crust, I tend to agree with the line I always hear that "97s are better on rough ground, but not great for everything else".

For those of you who have already skated both, do the 93s feel faster on smooth ground and slide better than the 97s?

Interested in this take, as well. I skate slick tranny and really dig 97s.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5991 on: April 05, 2024, 12:40:47 PM »
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Im interested how these compare to the 97s. To me it seems like the sentiment for the 93s is really positive while being very average for the 97s. 

As a 99a user that dabbles with 97s due to Pacific NW crust, I tend to agree with the line I always hear that "97s are better on rough ground, but not great for everything else".

For those of you who have already skated both, do the 93s feel faster on smooth ground and slide better than the 97s?
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Thats a good point, i do tend to throw on the 97s when i skate the local skatelite indoor park

Interested in this take, as well. I skate slick tranny and really dig 97s.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5992 on: April 06, 2024, 04:23:51 PM »


Good wheel so far, has a session at a parking garage and everything felt nice.

To those that don't like Dragons/X Formula, you probably aren't going to like these because they feel very similar to these IMO. Still need more time on them though.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5993 on: April 06, 2024, 05:29:59 PM »


Good wheel so far, has a session at a parking garage and everything felt nice.

To those that don't like Dragons/X Formula, you probably aren't going to like these because they feel very similar to these IMO. Still need more time on them though.
I tried and was disappointed by dragons and I really liked my first and second sessions on the soft sliders. The sound is turned up and they dont screech to a halt on rails and transition coping. I might be sold.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5994 on: April 06, 2024, 07:54:34 PM »
Set up some 93a 54mm Radials today. No session. Just did some powerslides in the street. They feel nice. The soft feeling will be soemthing I’ll have to get used to.

They slide like Dragon’s but more controlled, which I like. I threw a couple powerslides on smoother sidewalk, and they still seemed to slide ok.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5995 on: April 06, 2024, 08:39:06 PM »
I tried and was disappointed by dragons and I really liked my first and second sessions on the soft sliders. The sound is turned up and they dont screech to a halt on rails and transition coping. I might be sold.

I've ridden each iteration of the dragons/x-formula + 97a F4s (and 99a etc) and found that the x99s were the best of the powell/bones offerings in terms of soft slidable wheels and didn't impacting my tricks (bluntslides specifically). The spits, like the dragons, are not a replacement for 99a spits...but they sure as hell are for those 97a spits. 100%.

Initial first blush/[two separate session] impressions in parking lots (regular/mixed/patched asphalt and some of that beige shit) and curbs (note: I went back to skating x99s since these 93s were announced in prep for these - prior to that 101a spit classics for about 3wks and prior to that mostly dragons/x97s/x99s, x99s since they dropped - and slapped my x97s on a board for comparison's sake, haven't touched them in months)

TL:Don't want to read this wall of text summation:

I'll come back after a week with more skating on them but [to me] they are much closer to the x99s in terms of performance than they are to dragons/x97s, while still doing exactly what dragons and softer x-formulas do; I can't be sure but I think they might just slide a tad better overall (since they don't pinch squeal, i.e., 93a/x97) and sound better doing it (which is a big deal)...I really like how they sound. These are close to what I expected out of x97s / x99s sound-wise

- Bearings slide in just as easy as in dragons/x-formula
- They're whiter than regs spits and have that same 'milky' look the X99s do (they are not brown); but do not have the same 'white' look that the newer white/white spits have (which to me looks sort of blue white vs the yellow white).

- They're smooth - The shock/rattle absorption feels...the same-ish - I'm hard pressed to say if either is 'better' as they both do the job but feel different at doing it (duh they are different brands/formulas); not sure this is capable of being quantified based on all the 'common' variables (board wood [shop], terrain, socks/shoes, height of the tricks, bolts vs sketch, etc.).

- They're still bouncy compared to a spit 99a. I honestly couldn't tell you if they were less or more bouncy [rebound] than my x99s (I don't have dragons on hand anymore but have a feeling they are def less bouncy than dragons as they are less bouncy than the x97s), they all have that soft 'boing' plopping your board down sound; they are not a hard wheel. Landing ollies over things felt they same: softer landings/less jarring.

- They are not gummy like the dragons/x97s (which makes me think they're physically harder or it's just differences in 'formula')
- They do not squeak on pinch grinds like the dragons/x97s - the x99s do not squeak either (this leads me to, again, to think they're actually harder than 93a or it just comes down to the formula).

- Out of the plastic they slide...just as well as the x99s? (caveat here is they are brand new the other wheels are broken in/have that 'street' coating on them you know?). I wouldn't say they slide better or worse just that they feel different - but also the same (I know that's weird but it's that soft wheel slide). 6 of one, half dozen of the other. If anything they sound/feel less smooth/quiet than x97s much closer to the x99s but less muted. Powerslides felt just as 'meh' as the x99s (but for some reason the x97s were really surpassing both today), sure they do it but the feedback just isn't what a harder wheel gives you, you're not going to set any distance records and at the end of the slide you are going to have to pay attention/push as you are not slipping out on these but most likely stick and get pitched.

I still stuck on nose/tail slides like you would do with any wheel and they really felt the same as x99s here...stickier than a 99a spit or harder.

Bluntsides felt pretty much the same as the x99s, as in just not as good as a 99a/101a spit, let alone the king of blunts, the 103a stf V3ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssslide for days. They required the same wax/mental effort as the x99s, really have to focus to get them going vs the get on and goooooooo with harder wheels. Like the x99s I didn't feel like I was getting the full amount of slide based on the speed at which I was going.

- As @camel filters said above, the sound is 'tuned up', they have a different bark all to themselves and for sure higher pitched than dragons/x-formula, no question..I'd say they sound 'crisper' but they don't sound harder...like they have more treble than the bass heavy dragons or x99s...so louder? This is also at play when you are pushing.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5996 on: April 07, 2024, 01:04:08 AM »
Thanks for review @Xen , informative shit. Pretty much in line with what I've heard and expected. Might pull the trigger on them for Nordic crust once they become available here in Northern Europe.

In line with what you implied, my X97s will probably be left pretty much unskated, more so now that the Soft Sliders have entered the game. They're not gonna replace the awesome X99s but as for crusty-as-fuck spots, I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy Soft Sliders more than Dragons. The latter are just too sticky, gummy and silent for me.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5997 on: April 07, 2024, 10:35:08 PM »
i might be in the minority here but i really like f4 97s, only had classics though. i have no issues doing nose/tailslides on them, they powerslide and revert well enough for me, i don’t feel that they’re slow or gummy. are these 93s similar to those as far as ledges/rails go or are they more like dragons?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5998 on: April 08, 2024, 01:19:09 AM »
Do Spitfire product reps browse slap? Or is there a contact/comments page to ask them a question?

Was wondering if they're ever likely to make a wheel bearing off-set wheel that increases hangar width. The lockins don't do this as far as I'm aware.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5999 on: April 08, 2024, 01:28:55 AM »
Do Spitfire product reps browse slap? Or is there a contact/comments page to ask them a question?

Was wondering if they're ever likely to make a wheel bearing off-set wheel that increases hangar width. The lockins don't do this as far as I'm aware.


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The Lock in wheel did that in a few older sets I had, but I think they might have changed the shape of them, so haven't seen any for a while.

Even the Lock In Full is offset, so the "inside" Tablet shaped edge is a couple of mm less than the "outside" Conical shaped edge.

If you are after a narrow wheel, any of the smaller sizes, or the Tablet shape, or even OG Classic is more narrow in overall profile, compared to some others.

I have used an angle grinder to reshape wheels on occasion, usually just to round off the corners, but I have also made some wheels a lot more asymmetrical too, when someone wanted it.


Lastly, one thing that some people have done with various wheels over the years is add extra washers to the inside, up to about five or so, put the wheel on which ever way you want, then put the axle nut on back to front, so the nyloc is on first.

The roller skate people often do this with skateboard wheels - lots use Spitfires - but as their axles are shorter and roller skate wheels are thin fitting, the nuts don't fit on as usual, so they always have to put the nuts on back to front.

It works better if the nut has been put all the way on the axle first, just to get the axle thread going, but once on, it does not come off, so you can run wheels with more washers to give more hanger width.

I just tried this (for fun) with 144s on an 8.5 board, then 149s on an 8.75 board, all with Lock In Full wheels, so the wider wheel completely covered the nut, but it works just as well for anyone.


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